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Hot air but black marks to Ross & Co!

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This is a genuine post from Richard Dodd, proud supporter of Bill Kenwright, David Moyes and (nearly) all things Everton. I make no apologyfor accusing my fellow Evertonians of massive over-reaction to last week`s news of the CEO`s sudden departure. This sort of thing happens daily in companies up and down the country but rarely leads to the kind of melt-down theories we have been subjected to on this occasion.

So Bill and Keith had a disagreement they felt could not easily be resolved and the latter decided to walk .That didn`t mean DK was or wasn`t going to be called in, it didn`t mean that the Club were suddenly skint, it didn`t mean the manager was about to walk out, and it certainly didn`t mean that some mysterious figures were pulling all the strings backstage!

Anyone reading this and other sites, listening to phone-ins or accessing any other facility encouraging comment from `the mob` could be forgiven for believing that our beloved club was about to implode. How helpful is that to a manager working frantically to bring in the RIGHT players to improve the squad? How encouraging is that to the dozens of employees of the football club that prides itself as being of the people? And ask yourselves this. If the orchestrated aim was to drive a good man from the chairmanship of Everton, who on God`s earth would want to take on a set-up with a following as prone to hatred as as been demonstrated lately? In reality, the departure of Keith Wyness is a non-event. Believe me.

Davey will, before the deadline on 31 August, make a number of excellent signings. Co-terminus with that he will agree and sign his new contract. Government Office might ?just might ? get their act together and give us a decision on DK. Everton will get back to winning football matches and for a few weeks at least the focus will be on what really matters-the team.

I must, however, depart from my usual line to opine that this whole episode has been handled appallingly by the Everton Press Office. So much of the unpleasantness and scurrilous rumour could have been avoided by just half-decent news management. The in-house media boys should have been astute enough to foresee how this would be interpreted by an ever ready to criticise section of our support and got the assurances in first. They should not have waited until it all kicked-off before starting their damage limitation.

So, as a defender of the faith, my verdict on such a sad week for Everton is `a load of hot air` but a big black mark for Ross & Co!
Richard Dodd, Freshfield     Posted 04/08/2008 at 09:25:13

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Ciarán McGlone
1   Posted 04/08/2008 at 15:39:44

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To suggest that all rosy in the Everton garden, is probably just about the most bizzarre thing I?ve read in this whole sorry saga.

Did you write this article with a straight face?
Barry Scott
2   Posted 04/08/2008 at 15:49:37

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Richard Dodd, what do you make of the revelations announced over the weekend that Paul Gregg sold his shares to Sir Philip Green and not Robert Earl as we had been led to believe by the club?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-1040998/Palace-chairman-Simon-Jordan-finds-ally-Bostock-row.html

Wyness exit leaves Green to hold sway

Retail baron Philip Green should have an even bigger say in how Everton is run following the shock departure of chief executive Keith Wyness.

Green’s close relationship with chairman Bill Kenwright is well known, but what is less widely acknowledged are the links between the Arcadia boss and one of the club’s other major shareholders, Robert Earl.

It is understood that Green not only led the negotiations for Planet Hollywood founder Earl to buy Paul Gregg’s 23 per cent in 2006 but also paid the £9million cost of the shares at the time of the transaction.


I’m just curious because you don’t seem to want to believe that there are "mysterious figures were pulling all the strings backstage".
Shaun Brennan
3   Posted 04/08/2008 at 16:02:07

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Mr Dodd, I couldn?t help think that you are quite prepared and happy to sit and wait for the 1st day of the season. You fully expect us to be prepared and have sufficient numbers for the new campaign?

No, people don?t believe that the club is going to implode but they are pissed off at the fact of the mis-management of the club, the number of non-troops etc..

As for the fans putting off potential investors? Do you honestly believe that? Look at the clubs that have been bought amid protest from fans? Investors buy regardless.


Just like Henry VIII you're a defender of the faith. this time a completely different split has happened.

Richard mate, I hope you prove me and co wrong.
Lee Mandaracas
4   Posted 04/08/2008 at 16:09:22

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I am (for a change) a bit on the fence as I think there are two sides to this. Yes, I am very suspicious of recent events and I am delighted KW has gone as I think his conduct when dealing the fans has been utterly atrocious. However, there is an angle of caution in Richard’s note that seems to have been overlooked. I am not worried about whether this puts off investors. I am worried about it putting off players coming to us.
Connie Framcis
5   Posted 04/08/2008 at 16:18:23

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Doddy...

At last a voice of reason...

People with nowt to do all day in front of their Pc’s fabricating lies through "grapevines" and "reliable sources"...

Hacks and writers with nowt to write about making mountains out of molehills....

I’m happy that come the first game of the season it will all be nice and rosey...

To all the scaremongers out there.... shame on you, get off that chair and go sort the garden out, its a fuckin mess...!!
Bob Carlton
6   Posted 04/08/2008 at 16:20:29

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Richard,
What influence, in your opinion, does Philip Green have within Everton Football Club?
Mick Mac
7   Posted 04/08/2008 at 16:26:39

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A very intersting read Richard and I must agree that the press office has handled it badly. But the fact remains that Everton have placed themselves in a precarious position of being desparate to sign players that the teams who hold players can demand a king's ransom for them because we have no other place to go. Similarly with the outgoing saga of Andrew Johnson, other clubs should have been invited to bid to put Fulham under pressure. I have to say, without any positive press for Everton over this summer, I for one am beginning to worry over the immediate future of our club.
Gareth Humphreys
8   Posted 04/08/2008 at 16:30:00

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Richard, if you are so happy with the way the club is being run, could you please explain why Mr Moyes obviously feels otherwise?

Your silence is akin to Mr Kenwright's.
Marc Williams
9   Posted 04/08/2008 at 16:22:18

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Richard, one thing you say is spot on:
?it didn?t mean the club were suddenly skint?

NO, WE?VE BEEN SKINT FOR SOME TIME.

I don?t really know if you?re naive, gullible, or you just want to play at being ?contrary Mary? with this post. Just have a look at the events of the summer as a whole: Looks like a shambles, feels like a shambles, sounds like a shambles.

Do you know what? I?d say its a shambles!!!
James Marshall
10   Posted 04/08/2008 at 16:45:59

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Bob - he does the catering.
Phil Bellis
11   Posted 04/08/2008 at 16:43:50

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Jesus!
Doddy and Connie!
Richard, did you see the pre-match conference last night?
I thought Moyesey, despite the tan, looked and sounded ill. He just doesn?t look well, at all. Now that DOES worry me.
If you haven?t had a look, try to catch it and see what you think.
Richard Harris
12   Posted 04/08/2008 at 16:56:09

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If the club had any money we would have signed some quality players by now. To step up from 5th to 4th (and beyond) we need to build and it was obvious last season that we didn’t have the quality in the squad or the numbers when injuries/loss of form occured to compete when it mattered. I remember getting shot down for saying that we didn’t have the mental strength when the going got tough but if I was wrong on that then we need more players. Now. Not at the end of August when the season has already started and the new players can’t get fit or into our system for another month at least.
Jay Harris
13   Posted 04/08/2008 at 16:56:59

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Doddy
I used to think you were Wyness?s press agent but obviously that job no longer exists within EFC.

If you think we?re nitpicking and unsupportive of the current regime, how do you explain the following:

Moyes given an average of £4.5 million a year for new players since Kenwright took over.

Debts have risen from less than £10 to £66 million since Kenwright took over.

Operating losses have been made very year bar the year we sold Rooney since Kenwright took over.

Consistent lies have been issued by the club since Kenwright took over.

Every asset bar Bellefield has been sold/mortgaged since Kenwright took over.

The marketing and management of the club (as opposed to the team) has been shambolic since Kenwright took over.

The appointment of Chief Executives and handling of them has been shambolic since Kenwright took over.

The man has no Class no Principles no Competency and no Money.

We have an EGM looming, called by shareholders who are really concerned about what?s going on ? and that was before Wyness resigned.

And you call it a load of hot air.

FFS, Doddy get real.
Jay Harris
14   Posted 04/08/2008 at 17:13:43

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Sorry correction of Typo’s (No spell checker on here)

Doddy
I used to think you were Wyness?s press agent but obviously that job no longer exists within EFC.

If you think we?re nitpicking and unsupportive of the current regime how do you explain the following:

Moyes given an average of 4.5 million a year for new players since Kenwright took over.

Debts have risen from less than 10 to 66 million since Kenwright took over.

Operating losses have been made every year bar the year we sold Rooney since Kenwright took over.

Consistent lies have been issued by the club since Kenwright took over.

Every asset bar Bellefield has been sold/mortgaged since Kenwright took over.

The marketing and management of the club (as opposed to the team) has been shambolic since Kenwright took over.

The appointment of Chief Executives and handling of them has been shambolic since Kenwright took over.

The man has no Class no Principles no Competency and no Money.

We have an EGM looming called by shareholders who are really concerned about what?s going on and that was before Wyness resigned.

And you call it a load of hot air.

FFS Doddy get real.
Alex May
15   Posted 04/08/2008 at 17:20:11

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I suspect this is one of Madden’s many guises. Only he ’opines’ on a football forum. That would explain these ludicrous dribblings.

Madden - the man of a thousand personalities - every one the same.

Jay Harris
16   Posted 04/08/2008 at 17:28:10

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Alex
you may be right but apparently one or two posters know Doddy and he has always been "The Company man".
Gavin Ramejkis
17   Posted 04/08/2008 at 17:45:02

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Doddy would you like to tell the members of the jury in your own words please so we are under no misconception or able to interpret your response as anything other than that you wish to provide

"Who employed Keith Wyness?"
"Who allowed Keith Wyness to run his own business whilst on Everton’s clock and most likely at Everton’s premises?"
"Who employed and continues to employ Ian Ross?"

Your honour and ladies and gentlemen of the jury there rests the case for the prosecution.

Connie suddenly appeared after Gerard Madden went quiet - coincidence?
Richard Harris
18   Posted 04/08/2008 at 18:11:59

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Gavin Ramejkis wrote "Connie suddenly appeared after Gerard Madden went quiet - coincidence?"

Has our Gerard had a sex change then ? If so, then can we say it’s like having a new signing on Toffeeweb :0)
Richard Dodd
19   Posted 04/08/2008 at 18:08:26

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With the greatest respect, Gavin, I can only respond by asking you ?Who employed David Moyes and left him to get on with his job when at least 80% of the contributors to this column were calling for his head??

I have absolutely no knowledge of the contract of service agreed with KW ? and neither have you! As an Executive Director, I am sure that some constraints must have been put on his outside activities and I accept that some reports indicate he MAY have been in breach of those and paid the price. But I know no more than you on that score.

What I do know is that Everton have not handled his departure well and any new appointment should make PR a priority. On that I suspect even you and I might agree!

Karl Masters
20   Posted 04/08/2008 at 18:47:09

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You got the bit about the Press Office right.

The rest is just wishful thinking.

One thing that is going to be an issue soon is that any Club we approach for a player is probably going to play hardball even more because

1/ they are running out of time to replace them

2/ they know we’re short on numbers and can drive the price up accordingly.

Anyway, all us fans can do is hope thgat it all turns out right and back Davey and the Team at the matches. As regards BK, Ross and co we can save it for the EGM...
Phil Bellis
21   Posted 04/08/2008 at 19:19:18

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Richard
From Connie’s debut performance
’We got dollar to spend, Moyes will defo sign his new contract, so quit the misery lad, as you are sounding like my fuckin missus!!
So, Connie Francis is male, then?
Stupid Cupid!
Sebastian St Clare
22   Posted 04/08/2008 at 19:28:32

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It was remiss of me not to welcome Richard Dodd back to this forum given the price he paid last winter for his support of the Everton Establishment.
However, I am surprised and disappointed that he has chosen to turn on the admirable Ian Ross and his colleagues with whom I believed he always had a cosy relationship.
Anyone who has had reason to speak to the Media Office in a positive and polite way will know of their helpful and polite manner and it ill behoves Richard to ?shoot the messenger? at this time.
Shame on you!
Gavin Ramejkis
23   Posted 04/08/2008 at 19:38:08

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Richard sorry to piss on your chips and the obvious lipstick on your collar pseudonym potential but my friends dad is called Cornelius shortened to Connie his entire life, built like a brick shithouse and am sure would love you to ask him why he has a girl’s name.

Doddy do yourself a favour and check the directorships KW holds - save you the trouble, Soccer Range Stadia Developments which was frozen then resurrected to coincide with DK and coincidence Phil Green’s yacht appearing in Mallorca the same time KW went walk about? There’s no smoke without fire and there was plenty with KW; smoke and mirrors.
Brian Noble
24   Posted 04/08/2008 at 19:59:42

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I know from an e-mail he sent me this morning that Doddy is well pissed off with me for the spoof post I put in after our lively lunchtime sesh in the Freshy yesterday. But I do maintain it was a faithful report of his ’defence of the realm’ even down to the debt figures he gave us re Chelsea!
Seb,if you want to know what’s pissed him off about the Tosser Ross,it’s the fact that the voice of Everton has had a right go at the Echo’s Dominic King -Doddy’s best buddy.
Ladies,ladies!
Steve Pugh
25   Posted 04/08/2008 at 20:34:20

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Barry Scott, please explain how you managed to work out that Green owned shares in Everton not Earl. The article merely says that loaned Earl the money. Something most of us knew anyway. I think that sort of thing happens to much, people interpret things how they want, no matter how far from the truth they may be.

Connie, if you are Madden shame on you. Don’t hide behind a pseudonym, be a real man. Say what you mean and have the balls to let everyone know you are saying it. I may not like what Doddy says, but at least he is a real person and stands up to be counted.

Jay, switch your web browser to Safari, it has a built in spell checker.

Finally, Doddy if nothing else, even you must admit that at times BK is a very poor judge of character when making appointments. The only one he has got right, as you like to remind us, is DM.
Andy Crooks
26   Posted 04/08/2008 at 21:51:31

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Richard, you are the most subtle satarist since Jonathan Swift.

Connie, you are Gerard Madden or insane.

Dave Harrison
27   Posted 04/08/2008 at 21:41:25

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Well I?m not Connie or Madden (whoever they are) but I agree with you Richard! And for the one quoting the Daily Mail.... that is the worst paper to quote from... they make crap up all the time and are the best conspiracy theorists going. They took over from the Express when they started on the Diana news theme for 12 years. My mum loves it, best gossip rag there is.

Okay, so Richard is slightly more optimistic than I am on signings and Moyes signing his contract, but I do believe that we have the most inept PR dept -- akin to Man Utd a couple of years ago....

Roy Coyne
28   Posted 04/08/2008 at 22:22:28

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I honestly don't know if I should laugh or cry, our beloved club is on the edge bankruptcy, and Doddy and Co are still doing their Nero fiddling impersonations... even Bill's latest remarks according to Granada reports, are beyond belief. He wants to sell us to the highest bidder. Has he not already assured the guys deciding whether to call the deal in he has no intention of selling up? Now is it that he has lied (shock) or has a different agenda like he has not been able to get the free... oops sorry, £78 million, so needs an excuse to save face? Only at Everton do we get this shit.
Tony Waring
29   Posted 05/08/2008 at 09:08:17

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Philip Green is on record as saying that he is not interested in football. If that?s true what possible connection and influence can he have on the affairs of EFC ? or does he just pay BK pocket money? It?s a serious question and I would love to know the answer. Anyone out there have a clue?

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