How do we do it?
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This next few days is the most important in our club's history. Last season for me was the stepping stone to the crossroads of either becoming a force in English football once again or becoming a "steady" club who have no real aspirations as long as we don't get relegated. The real question is: How do we do it?
For me, the answer is simple: all of us blue-blooded men and women need to get behind the manager and the chairman, give the players all the support we can, show the rest of the world what superb support that Everton have, fill the old lady week-in, week-out. I think that if we are behind the team at home it gives them that extra 15-20% ? look at the game @ home vs those lucky Italians. I was lucky enough to be there and we were superb. and we played the best i have seen us play for years!!!
Simple fact, if we're behind the manager, he'll stay and get the best out of the players, which in turn will produce results on the pitch, which in turn will produce silverware, then investment will come. It's all about us ? can't you seen we make this club great and it's up to us to make it a force once again. COYB!!!!!
Michael Cummins,
Sussex, UK Posted 04/08/2008 at 21:28:31
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Michael Kenrick
Michael, this is how football works. You need first and foremost a decent manager and a bunch of more than decent players. We're nearly half way there, plus or minus (see other threads). Then you need them to play well together as a team, to be resilient in the face of injuries and suspensions, against anyone. That's where we've been a bit lacking... turning it on for the odd match against Fiorentina but just throwing in the towel against the likes of Chelsea doesn't cut it.
And it's at that point that the crowd comes into play. Yes, they can get behind the team and change the game... but it's pretty rare. The circumstances that night were unique; you cannot generate that kind of atmosphere for every home game. It is impossible.
But what can happen is, if the team play really well, the crowd will get behinds them and the atmosphere will be fantastic. But if they are not on their game, then it is virtually impossible for the crowd to get behind them and raise the atmosphere. It can happen in the face of severe injustice, usually from the ref, but by that point, the damage is typically done and we're on the back foot.
There is no substitute at the end of the day for having a team that will go out and, under the inspiration of the manager, carry the game to the opposition with determination and conviction ? not this "defend to the death and hope we score off a set-piece" crap that has been a mainstay of Moyes's tenure. Which Everton will we see on 16 August? Will it be one that automatically gets the crowd behind them? Let's hope so...
Very, very, very well said Micheal Cummins.
Michael Kenrick, I don't think it is impossible to really get behind our team every home match and even every away match. This is what the players love. With everybody getting behind the team, the quality of football does increase. To me through good and bad you should always cheer your "Beloved" team on.
It’s a sweet thought, Alan, but for most fans, they respond to how the team is playing on the field on the day. You don’t have to go to Goodison too many times too realise that. Perhaps you’d like to have cheerleaders and fat bloke with a big drum to whip the crowd into a frenzy?
More dreamland for Mr Cummins. This is also how football works. We work hard all week and shell out £35 to go to Goodison. If we see 11 players working their butts off to entertain us and playing exciting football then we cheer them on. If however we see 11 enormously overpaid prima donnas lazily strutting round the pitch seemingly making little effort then we stay quiet because we realise that our hard-earned money has gone to waste. It is not the fans who are the culprits in not creating the atmosphere ? it is the players. We wait indeed to see which team turns up in 2 weeks.
Michael, I’m sure you meant ’Smith’s tenure ’ and not ’Moyes’s tenure ’ in your original post.
I agree with Michael Cummins to a point. Goodison can be like a library at times and people can be far too quick to criticise but as Mick says, we pay good money to watch a high standard of football, the cost of the ticket is supposed to be reflective of the fare on display, it is more than often not.
That said, the players say that they thrive on the noise from the stands and the intimidating atmosphere produced by the fans can help overcome the opposition. Therefore there is responsibilty on both sides to up the ante next season. Let's just hope we don't have to start looking to the stands for players... given our lack of action in the transfer market.
It's going to be another season of uncertainty for us Blues... Would we want it any other way?
It’s not as easy as "getting behind the players, manager, club " etc to bring in sucess.
Everyone should be open to critisism at times, it’s how we improve.
Hasn’t moeys been getting the best out of the current crop of players. thats why we haven’t broken into the top 4 as often as we like too?
Shall we get behind kenright and say yeah youv’e a diffucult job and we are happy with that?nah doesn’t work for me.
Think we should get behind the boys on any occasion.at Goodison Park. ..that’s if we have any left to get behind!!! Just seen that the Yak and Yobo off to play for Nigeria on September 6th and Pinnear likely to play for South Africa....at this rate we won’t even have a decent striker!! Think these international call ups are getting out of all proportion. As far as I am concerned its Club before Country especially in the dire circumstances we are finding ourselves at the moment. Last year it was the African Nations Cup and we lost their services at a very crucial time and this year its something else. Its getting a bit much!!
The problem is Patty, is that these players want to represent their countries, at the end of the day, it is the ultimate honour for any player. Do we want to start making them put club before country?
I would imagine, there would be plenty of un-rest in the ranks if we went down that path.
Naive claptrap. Does anyone seriously believe that if we shout ourselves hoarse for 90 mins every game that Tony Hibbert will suddenly be able to pass the ball to his teammates, or that Bill Kenwright will learn how to run the football properly. Michael Cummins was right about one thing; this season did represent a defining moment in Everton’s future, a chance to really challenge the established order. Sadly Michael, we have wasted this opportunity due to our complete lack of activity/ambition in the transfer market this summer. And if you think that we, the fans, are more influential than hard cash and quality signings in all this, I suggest that you are taking the same tablets that Richard Dodd is on!
I think we might not have heard the end of those NIgeria call-ups. Nigeria have already qualified so essentially its a game with no worth to the Nigerians. They may not go.
Tony Hibbert needs more than someone shouting encouragement to pass the ball to the right people - Gareth’s dead right, the crowd very rarely play a part in proceedings.
No, Hibbo won't become a world-class player, but as a matter of interest what player if any has ever played better with the crowd on his back? The players and the manager I will always back; the Board, and Kenwright in particular... sorry, I have had enough bullshit to last a lifetime.
I think sometimes being bluenoses we need to take a few funny tablets to help us see the funny side of things, but I don?t care who plays in the blue of Everton, if it?s Ronaldo or Hibbo, I will still cheer them on ? get behind them, shite or genius! I love Everton with every ounce of my soul, and I would do anything to help them succeed. Apart from paying my money doing a 600 mile round trip, and screaming for my heroes in blue, there's not much more I can do. If I was a billionaire I would buy our club but I am just trying to make a point, we can all play our part in giving them the extra 10 - 15 %. COYB
I wonder if there's any substance in this: http://totalodds.net/Ndavid_789072531.html I?ve had enough now, I really have... I give up... I can't take it...
Of course I?ll wait for a more substantive source than a betting website that wants our cash!
Chris Lawlor - maybe it?s sometimes like a library at Goodison because 50% of people can?t see the action very well because of the restricted views?
While I agree that sometimes the team need to give the supporters a lift, I DO think it is possible for the fans to get behind the team even when the side isn’t playing particularly well. I would cite Portsmouth and Sunderland fans as examples of how it’s done.
Nigerian call-ups eh? It could be worse.... you could be West Ham... imagine their surprise to find Carlton Cole called into the Nigeria squad when he?s already played for England U-21!!!!!
International call-ups and their potential for injuries and jetlag is just another reason why we need to hurry up and sign some more players!!!!
Joe you need to stop sniffing glue, if fifty percent couldn’t see the game through restricted views the pillars would have to be as wide as a bus and every few feet, stop talking shite.
Have we any money for transfers or not? The reason I ask is because on 10th July this year the Guardian reported that we had taken out a further two mortgages (see link http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jul/10/everton.premierleague?gusrc=rss&feed=football). What were these mortgages for? Were we refused credit? Could someone enlighten me?
Brian Waring - Re your comments and mine previously regardng playing for Club before Country...... what do you think now that Victor Anichebe has picked up a bad knock to the knee in training and might now miss playing for Nigeria at Beijing? What?s the betting the "bad knock" goes on for weeks and stops him playing for EFC for a good while.
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And it's at that point that the crowd comes into play. Yes, they can get behind the team and change the game... but it's pretty rare. The circumstances that night were unique; you cannot generate that kind of atmosphere for every home game. It is impossible.
But what can happen is, if the team play really well, the crowd will get behinds them and the atmosphere will be fantastic. But if they are not on their game, then it is virtually impossible for the crowd to get behind them and raise the atmosphere. It can happen in the face of severe injustice, usually from the ref, but by that point, the damage is typically done and we're on the back foot.
There is no substitute at the end of the day for having a team that will go out and, under the inspiration of the manager, carry the game to the opposition with determination and conviction ? not this "defend to the death and hope we score off a set-piece" crap that has been a mainstay of Moyes's tenure. Which Everton will we see on 16 August? Will it be one that automatically gets the crowd behind them? Let's hope so...