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New Yakubu song
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With not much to smile about at the moment, I stumbled across this video on youtube, which did make me smile, so I thought I'd share, enjoy, COYB
Rob Aspinall, Posted 05/08/2008 at 00:02:39
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Nice to have a bit of fun among all the doom and gloom though. Chin up lads.
Once a Blue Always a Blue!!!
Any Everton versions of the likes of Scouser Tommy, Wild Colonial Boy (drink six crates to Yard dog yates!) or Every other Saturday for example!
Come on yu blues!
So songs did mention the colour of white players too.
I would never sing it with those words.
Highly cringeworthy and embarassing that is.
An Everton version of YNWA? How about F**k off with soap up your a**e!!
We sung that for years!
no one quite had a clue what it was
There are only two ways the word ’black’ when referring to someone’s skin can possibly be offensive.
1. If it is derisory, insulting, demeaning, etc. - In this case it most certainly is not.
2. If the person to whom it’s reference is offended by such a reference - we don’t know whether that would be the case and I strongly suspect it would not in this context.
In fact, of those complaining, are any non white? I doubt it. Get over your middle-class white guilt complexes and face the fact that this is not in the least bit offensive.
As for the RS reference, great! It states that we are happier with him than our rival’s striker. Only option I would think instead could be "Who needs Rooney...?" but I am happier as it is.
Personally, I watched it and the Preston half time videos and felt myself grinning widely as I look forward to the start of the season. It was, for me, a much needed reminder that in the current climate of insecurity, inaction through the indoor and exodus through the out, the season will go ahead and we will all celebrate being part of Everton Football Club.
As somebody hinted above, why is the fact that he’s black an issue to highlight in a song? It singles black people out as immediately "different" - positioning them as the "other" in our society.
Well as far as I can see, we live in a multi-race, multi-cultural society. If you still don’t think it’s odd for a song to focus on the colour of somebody’s skin, can you imagine how odd it would be to sing a song based on the fact that Jose Baxter is caucasian?
Yes, Yakubu is black, but in a tolerant society that is not a point of difference.
It may not be overl offensive on the face of it, but what Brian says rings totally true.
Brian Richardson, what about songs about David Moyes having red hair? Or Carsley/Gravesen being bald etc etc etc etc
"Tolerant society" talk is bullshit.
Fat people piss me off - just thought I’d mention it.
Brian refers to a song not existing for Jose Baxter as a caucasian and yet, earlier in the thread, Derek Turnbull tells of a song stating Tony Grant was white so there is your balance right there Brian.
James, you miss the point of MOBO vs MOWO. MOBOs are indeed presented to any race, yet they are for Music Of BLACK Origin. No sector of music should ever be defined by the colour of skin. Urban music, yes. MOBO, no. MOWO (to use the parallel drawn by Gavin) would be Music Of White Origin and yet this is considered to be tasteless and racially driven. It is borne out of a frustration at historic imbalances being addressed by replacing them with new ones in the opposite direction. As long as this is our perspective as a society, we will never get off the seesaw.
All that said, I am sorry the one word in the song that I considered to be rather inoccuous has resulted in such a racial debate.
Some people mean well by trying ’prove’ they aren’t racist by pointing out potentially racial tensions wherever possible, but they actually inadvertently make the (possibly non-existant) problem worse.
If it had been left to white people we’d all be listening to folk music.
I dont think it need to be mentioned whether Tony Grant is white, or Yakubu is black; its very simple.
I’m not dissagreeing with you by the way, we are (as a society) too sensitive to this kind of thing, and maybe I have been swayed over time to fall into the trap myself - it just feels slightly uncomfortable.
I am sorry but I consider your opinion about the origins of black music to be somewhat absurd. The artists you mentioned were pioneers and should be celebrated but for their music, not their race or creed. You ignore Mozart, Vivaldi, Glen Miller, Cole Porter, etc ad infinitum in order to justify your defense of something you say is ’a different kettle of fish’. Bizzare! In fact, I am actually offended by your statement of "If it had been left to white people we’d all be listening to folk music." What a racist and bigotted statement that is.
Remember you are the person who defended MOBOs before stating music was irrelevant to the subject. YOU brought up the subject of there not being a song about a white player and, upon being proven wrong, said it was irrelevant and neither should be the case. Seriously, I suspect you are a victim of Alex Kociuba’s suggestion regarding people trying to ’do the right thing’. I think you may be well intentioned but your posts persistently discredit you so give it up, eh?
If that offends you, then I would suggest that you are in exactly the same position I now find myself in - contradiction non?
Either way, I stand by my comments about early blues artists, and classical composers are indeed irrelevant to the topic. I don’t look upon Glenn Miller as being a pioneer in this instance, nor Mozart for that matter. You’re broadening the net to encompass your point which as a result is being lost.
You appear to want to discredit me, which really was never my intention where you’re concerned - I actually agreed with you earlier, but for you to say that my comments are racist/biggoted is as you put it ’absurd’
Not for one moment did I suggest that Johnson, Waters of james should be celebrated for the colour of their skin - I was brought up listening to blues and jazz and have a vast collection of it myself, now if you think that I listen to it as a celebration of black people then you’re seriously mistaken.
Let?s get real. A fact is a fact, not racism. He?s black, I?m white, Asians are yellowish, Martians are green. Does it harm anybody to state these facts??
In fact I think the reference to his age being 22 bearing in mind the doubt over administrative competence in his home country is probably more "sensitive" but highly amusing.
We?ll just have to wait to see the Yak?s reaction himself.
Signed, David Smith (white man, sorry, young man, sorry man, sorry person....).
Just goes to show how interpretations can be totally wrong.
Funny song all the same.
"He fat, he?s round and his arse drags on the Ground, Sammy Lee, Sammy Lee."
That little fucker found that very offensive and it was very amusing.
It’s not about being too sensitive. Somebody mentioned that, if you have a black person next to a white person, the colour of their skin is the thing you’d use to differentiate them. I couldn’t agree more.
But why are we trying to differentiate the Yak? There are thousands of black footballers, why on earth is there a need to differentiate him?
As for the Tony Grant comment, Tony was a particularly ill-looking footballer! We weren’t differentiating him from black players by saying he was white - we were saying he looked like he’d seen a ghost and needed to get out more.
The simple fact of the matter is that the song about Yakubu was made up by white Evertonians who see Yakubu as "different" because he’s black. Why else mention it?
Give our poor reputation for racial tolerance at Everton, I just hope it’s a song we steer well clear of. Talk about him banging in the goals, don’t talk about his skin colour - it’s totally irrelevant.
My last reply to James, whatever the response is as follows. Stating that we would all be listening to one form of (presumably inferior judging by your tone) music at the expense of absolutely all others were it not for one race of people is pure bigotry. There is absolutely no science, evidence or foundation to this bizarre assertion. I have no desire to discredit you but would appreciate you staying on subject occasionally and not misinterpreting what is, to the rest of us, quite explicit. I said one sentence in your numerous posts was racist and bigotted. No contradiction, just stating that such an opinion demeaning one sector of society (i.e. anything not derived from black musicians - some of whom play folk music by the way) based on an incredibly wild assumption is pure bigotry. I have no reason to review this.
Best of all, you "...do not look up to Glen Miller or Mozart as pioneers", therefore, they cannot be such can they? I?m sorry but after that I simply have to reduce my levels. Can?t help it. No, cannot fight the urge. Must ... call ... name ... Imbecile! Ah, that feels better.
The only area I could give ground on this is that of the tag Everton gained in the past as racists and being sensitive to the possibility of that re-emerging. I have to say, I have only ever once heard racist terms as an Evertonian and that was many years ago at Stamford Bridge when one of our own insulted Earl Barrett?s blatant lack of skill but had to include ?black bastard?. In the same match I heard someone refer to Chelsea?s players as ?Spaghetti eating...? Both appalled me equally but I did not, and do not, feel the remotest sense of shame when hearing the song.
I think anything that lifts his game would be a good thing and believe this song would do it. If he says otherwise I will totally agree we should change it. Let?s face it, he is the only person who has the right to choose the interpretation really.
However I do believe that the greatet contradiction in football is homophobia. I hear lots of players getting called queers and stuff like that. Isn?t that as bad as racism?
Observation doesn?t always imply judgement, and there?s nothing wrong with observing diversity and celebrating it.
Had the song had a derogatory tone, I could understand the sensitivity, but I daresay that the Yak is probably proud of his ethnicity and probably wouldn?t be all that upset that we?d noticed, after all, he?s been with us a year...
Chin up!
This is NOT "PC-gone mad". PC gone mad is stopping teachers calling something a black-board, or brain-storming. However, the Daily Mail, Express, Sun etc have now used the term to describe any anti-racist, pro-immigration policy. However these newspapers are racist, so don?t believe them.
In terms of the MOBO awards, they where created because black music was and still is constantly overlooked by the music industry, which is predominately white. You wouldn?t have a MOWO awards because most POP-music is white (ok, apart from fact much influence from black in Elvis, Beatles, Rolling Stones etc, they where white and got recognition and awards, black people like Billie Holliday, Betty Smith, Miles Davies etc didn't).
The reason its called Black music is because it derives from a social condition white people didn't come from, Blues (and its ancestors jazz, Swing, rock ?n? roll) was an expression of that and also the only escape for it.
Racism isn?t just black and white, it's the entire system and structure around it.
Also, ginger people, bald people etc are not socially exluded, made poor etc because of their condition, black people are so to compare being ginger and tong-in-cheek gags about being bald with racism is a totally absurd argument.
What I must also ask, to those defending it, why do you see it so imperative to have it in the song? if a few people on here are offended imagine the thousands who hear it, quite a few will also find it so, then the club and its fans will be labelled racist, Everton will be fined etc.
Just change it to big or something, is it really so important to refer to him being black?
What?s anyone reckon about Kenwright?s little speech tonight?
The problem term is echoing the refrain ’black and blue’ which last time I bothered to count was probably used in 1000 songs - from artists from all walks.
Let’s apply some context to this -- a footy match where the fans’ heroes, the chants, the humour, are all part of the show. I look forward to hearing this a week Saturday at Goodison after he smashes one in...


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Can't wait for the new season even more now. Going sick with my fellow Evertonians! There's no better place to be on a Saturday.
Come On Everton!