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New Yakubu song

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With not much to smile about at the moment, I stumbled across this video on youtube, which did make me smile, so I thought I'd share, enjoy, COYB
Rob Aspinall, Wirral     Posted 05/08/2008 at 00:02:39

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Charlie Percival
1   Posted 05/08/2008 at 07:07:55

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Great song!

Can't wait for the new season even more now. Going sick with my fellow Evertonians! There's no better place to be on a Saturday.

Come On Everton!
Connor Rohrer
2   Posted 05/08/2008 at 08:17:44

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Typical Everton song really, we had to mention the colour of his skin and Liverpool. Without those it isn’t a proper Everton song.
Mike Wood
3   Posted 05/08/2008 at 08:17:24

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Fantastic! Plus watched a few more of the Everton videos... loved the Preston half-time one!! COYB!
Neil Sloan
4   Posted 05/08/2008 at 09:33:12

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Decent song, but to echo Connor’s sentiments, did we have to mention the colour of his skin? How about "he’s BIG, he’s blue, he’s 22"??????

Nice to have a bit of fun among all the doom and gloom though. Chin up lads.

Once a Blue Always a Blue!!!
Derek Turnbull
5   Posted 05/08/2008 at 09:42:03

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I notice that it’s based on Liverpool’s song for Torres. Rather than opting for the predictable route of condemming it, anyone know of any of our songs from the 60s or 70s that we sneakily stole off our beloved neighbours!

Any Everton versions of the likes of Scouser Tommy, Wild Colonial Boy (drink six crates to Yard dog yates!) or Every other Saturday for example!

James Marshall
6   Posted 05/08/2008 at 09:48:50

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How come there isn’t a song for Hibbo that mentions how white he is?
Tony Williams
7   Posted 05/08/2008 at 10:03:50

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I have to question the inclusion of the redshite's player. Just more fuel for them to call us bitter.
Joanne Gaskell
8   Posted 05/08/2008 at 10:19:40

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An absoloute great song, cant wait to sing that next season!

Come on yu blues!
Derek Turnbull
9   Posted 05/08/2008 at 10:20:19

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Re James Marshall, we used to sing "He?s blue, he?s white, he?s fucking dynamite Tony Grant, Tony Grant!"

So songs did mention the colour of white players too.
James Marshall
10   Posted 05/08/2008 at 10:22:30

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I know the worlds gone ?PC? mad, but the bit about him being black is unnecessary ? as Neil said up there, change it for the word BIG and its a much better song.

I would never sing it with those words.
paul mosses
11   Posted 05/08/2008 at 10:51:54

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I know, lets start singing you’ll never walk alone as well but with everton words.

Highly cringeworthy and embarassing that is.
Derek Turnbull
12   Posted 05/08/2008 at 11:09:33

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Re Paul Mosses

An Everton version of YNWA? How about F**k off with soap up your a**e!!

We sung that for years!
Chris Cook
13   Posted 05/08/2008 at 11:36:42

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was wondering what the heck they were singing behind us at the Preston match lol

no one quite had a clue what it was
Lee Mandaracas
14   Posted 05/08/2008 at 12:52:37

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Those complaining about "He’s black, he’s blue, he’s 22", is it just me that didn’t read the national memo informing us that we can no longer state fact when referring to someone’s colour? Stop being so bloody petty!

There are only two ways the word ’black’ when referring to someone’s skin can possibly be offensive.

1. If it is derisory, insulting, demeaning, etc. - In this case it most certainly is not.

2. If the person to whom it’s reference is offended by such a reference - we don’t know whether that would be the case and I strongly suspect it would not in this context.

In fact, of those complaining, are any non white? I doubt it. Get over your middle-class white guilt complexes and face the fact that this is not in the least bit offensive.

As for the RS reference, great! It states that we are happier with him than our rival’s striker. Only option I would think instead could be "Who needs Rooney...?" but I am happier as it is.

Personally, I watched it and the Preston half time videos and felt myself grinning widely as I look forward to the start of the season. It was, for me, a much needed reminder that in the current climate of insecurity, inaction through the indoor and exodus through the out, the season will go ahead and we will all celebrate being part of Everton Football Club.
Brian Richardson
15   Posted 05/08/2008 at 13:31:06

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Lee, while I agree with some of the things you make, I can’t agree that there’s nothing offensive in this song.

As somebody hinted above, why is the fact that he’s black an issue to highlight in a song? It singles black people out as immediately "different" - positioning them as the "other" in our society.

Well as far as I can see, we live in a multi-race, multi-cultural society. If you still don’t think it’s odd for a song to focus on the colour of somebody’s skin, can you imagine how odd it would be to sing a song based on the fact that Jose Baxter is caucasian?

Yes, Yakubu is black, but in a tolerant society that is not a point of difference.
James Marshall
16   Posted 05/08/2008 at 14:03:46

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Lee, I agree with alot of what you say as well, but the point is why make reference to someones colour at all? Like I said above, theres no reference to any player being white is there? Its like saying, "oh you see that guy over there....the black one" Its just not neccesary, you can easily refer to "that guy over there" as the one in the blue shirt.

It may not be overl offensive on the face of it, but what Brian says rings totally true.
Gavin Ramejkis
17   Posted 05/08/2008 at 14:08:34

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In such a PC world why are there MOBO awards and black music stations? Surely this is anti white racist? Has anyone heard of MOWO awards or white music only stations? It’s all bollocks, it’s what it is, grow up.
James Marshall
18   Posted 05/08/2008 at 14:13:12

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MOBO awards are given to black and white people Gavin - its for Music of Black Origin, not music for or by black people.
Roy Coyne
19   Posted 05/08/2008 at 14:55:02

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I?m with you Gavin and so is my mate of over 30 years who happens to be West Indian. I detest racism but people go over the top now.
Alex Kociuba
20   Posted 05/08/2008 at 14:54:44

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Well said Lee Mandaracas!

Brian Richardson, what about songs about David Moyes having red hair? Or Carsley/Gravesen being bald etc etc etc etc

"Tolerant society" talk is bullshit.
James Marshall
21   Posted 05/08/2008 at 15:05:45

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Gingerism is the last bastion of accepted racism in this country.

Fat people piss me off - just thought I’d mention it.
Lee Mandaracas
22   Posted 05/08/2008 at 14:52:49

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Brian & James, whilst I agree utterly with your sensetivities regarding whether we need refer to the colour of skin, I am saddened that we live in a society that must avoid mentioning the fact. We can state stature, colour of jersey, etc but must avoid at all costs mentioning that he is black. Why? Should he be ashamed of it? Is us bringing that to the fore implying he is of a lesser calibre? The thought is absurd. Therefore, I question why the word is demonised in such a way as to always be interpreted as sinister.

Brian refers to a song not existing for Jose Baxter as a caucasian and yet, earlier in the thread, Derek Turnbull tells of a song stating Tony Grant was white so there is your balance right there Brian.

James, you miss the point of MOBO vs MOWO. MOBOs are indeed presented to any race, yet they are for Music Of BLACK Origin. No sector of music should ever be defined by the colour of skin. Urban music, yes. MOBO, no. MOWO (to use the parallel drawn by Gavin) would be Music Of White Origin and yet this is considered to be tasteless and racially driven. It is borne out of a frustration at historic imbalances being addressed by replacing them with new ones in the opposite direction. As long as this is our perspective as a society, we will never get off the seesaw.

All that said, I am sorry the one word in the song that I considered to be rather inoccuous has resulted in such a racial debate.
Alex Kociuba
23   Posted 05/08/2008 at 15:10:37

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Lee, again I agree with you. It saddens me too when people are so sensitive and concious of race differences.

Some people mean well by trying ’prove’ they aren’t racist by pointing out potentially racial tensions wherever possible, but they actually inadvertently make the (possibly non-existant) problem worse.
James Marshall
24   Posted 05/08/2008 at 15:27:26

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Music is a different kettle of fish entirely Lee, music that is defined as being of black origin is something that those who started playing music in a certain style are incredibly proud of. You can’t tell me that Muddy Waters, Elmore James and Robert Johnson aren’t considered pioneers of music that was (and still is) both dominated and indeed created by black people in the US. Its their heritage, and came from a time when racial tension was everywhere, in fact slavery was still rife at those times - you ask any musician of any note today and they’ll tell you that without the influence of the music made by black people they would probably never have picked up and played. Its something that black people are hugely proud of and will always champion.

If it had been left to white people we’d all be listening to folk music.

I dont think it need to be mentioned whether Tony Grant is white, or Yakubu is black; its very simple.

I’m not dissagreeing with you by the way, we are (as a society) too sensitive to this kind of thing, and maybe I have been swayed over time to fall into the trap myself - it just feels slightly uncomfortable.
Lee Mandaracas
25   Posted 05/08/2008 at 15:42:40

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James, I appreciate your discomfort as I feel it too but I believe it is not because of the words but the fear that someone will misinterpret them as being sinister.

I am sorry but I consider your opinion about the origins of black music to be somewhat absurd. The artists you mentioned were pioneers and should be celebrated but for their music, not their race or creed. You ignore Mozart, Vivaldi, Glen Miller, Cole Porter, etc ad infinitum in order to justify your defense of something you say is ’a different kettle of fish’. Bizzare! In fact, I am actually offended by your statement of "If it had been left to white people we’d all be listening to folk music." What a racist and bigotted statement that is.

Remember you are the person who defended MOBOs before stating music was irrelevant to the subject. YOU brought up the subject of there not being a song about a white player and, upon being proven wrong, said it was irrelevant and neither should be the case. Seriously, I suspect you are a victim of Alex Kociuba’s suggestion regarding people trying to ’do the right thing’. I think you may be well intentioned but your posts persistently discredit you so give it up, eh?
Roy Coyne
26   Posted 05/08/2008 at 16:28:27

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Many years ago, there was a comedy show called Love thy Neighbour. Now my mate from Jamaica called me Honky and I called him Nignog... neither of us where being derogatory of the other ? just laughing at the sad bigots that actually do mean every word of vile they say. Funny enough, we were talking about this and how things have changed but stayed the same. One of his family passed his driving test and was placed on the car insurance, the car is 6 months old and, surprise, the young lad was pulled by the police 5 times in one day because he looked suspicious. Now to me that's more of a problem than some idiot shouting words.
James Marshall
27   Posted 05/08/2008 at 17:06:06

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Lee, you state that "I am actually offended by your statement of "If it had been left to white people we?d all be listening to folk music." What a racist and bigotted statement that is.

If that offends you, then I would suggest that you are in exactly the same position I now find myself in - contradiction non?

Either way, I stand by my comments about early blues artists, and classical composers are indeed irrelevant to the topic. I don’t look upon Glenn Miller as being a pioneer in this instance, nor Mozart for that matter. You’re broadening the net to encompass your point which as a result is being lost.

You appear to want to discredit me, which really was never my intention where you’re concerned - I actually agreed with you earlier, but for you to say that my comments are racist/biggoted is as you put it ’absurd’

Not for one moment did I suggest that Johnson, Waters of james should be celebrated for the colour of their skin - I was brought up listening to blues and jazz and have a vast collection of it myself, now if you think that I listen to it as a celebration of black people then you’re seriously mistaken.
David Smith
28   Posted 05/08/2008 at 17:03:07

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2 gentlemen standing next to each other naked, one is "white", the other is "black", what is the first description to use to differentiate between them? Their size ?

Let?s get real. A fact is a fact, not racism. He?s black, I?m white, Asians are yellowish, Martians are green. Does it harm anybody to state these facts??

In fact I think the reference to his age being 22 bearing in mind the doubt over administrative competence in his home country is probably more "sensitive" but highly amusing.

We?ll just have to wait to see the Yak?s reaction himself.

Signed, David Smith (white man, sorry, young man, sorry man, sorry person....).
James Marshall
29   Posted 05/08/2008 at 17:19:08

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I think the reference to the number 22 is the shirt number he wears David :)
David Smith
30   Posted 05/08/2008 at 17:21:12

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Oops !

Just goes to show how interpretations can be totally wrong.

Funny song all the same.
Jack Burton
31   Posted 05/08/2008 at 17:30:21

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Do ya?s remember:

"He fat, he?s round and his arse drags on the Ground, Sammy Lee, Sammy Lee."

That little fucker found that very offensive and it was very amusing.
Brian Richardson
32   Posted 05/08/2008 at 17:33:26

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Lee, do you think Nigerians would enjoy the song? Do you think they’d sing it? Do you think black Evertonians will appreciate the humour?

It’s not about being too sensitive. Somebody mentioned that, if you have a black person next to a white person, the colour of their skin is the thing you’d use to differentiate them. I couldn’t agree more.

But why are we trying to differentiate the Yak? There are thousands of black footballers, why on earth is there a need to differentiate him?

As for the Tony Grant comment, Tony was a particularly ill-looking footballer! We weren’t differentiating him from black players by saying he was white - we were saying he looked like he’d seen a ghost and needed to get out more.

The simple fact of the matter is that the song about Yakubu was made up by white Evertonians who see Yakubu as "different" because he’s black. Why else mention it?

Give our poor reputation for racial tolerance at Everton, I just hope it’s a song we steer well clear of. Talk about him banging in the goals, don’t talk about his skin colour - it’s totally irrelevant.
Lee Mandaracas
33   Posted 05/08/2008 at 17:19:00

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Dave Smith, very fair point except to say that 22 refers to Yakubu?s squad number mate.

My last reply to James, whatever the response is as follows. Stating that we would all be listening to one form of (presumably inferior judging by your tone) music at the expense of absolutely all others were it not for one race of people is pure bigotry. There is absolutely no science, evidence or foundation to this bizarre assertion. I have no desire to discredit you but would appreciate you staying on subject occasionally and not misinterpreting what is, to the rest of us, quite explicit. I said one sentence in your numerous posts was racist and bigotted. No contradiction, just stating that such an opinion demeaning one sector of society (i.e. anything not derived from black musicians - some of whom play folk music by the way) based on an incredibly wild assumption is pure bigotry. I have no reason to review this.

Best of all, you "...do not look up to Glen Miller or Mozart as pioneers", therefore, they cannot be such can they? I?m sorry but after that I simply have to reduce my levels. Can?t help it. No, cannot fight the urge. Must ... call ... name ... Imbecile! Ah, that feels better.
Lee Mandaracas
34   Posted 05/08/2008 at 18:01:12

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Brian, I accept many of your interpretations in your last post. However, the song includes a list of things that make him different such as his shirt colour and squad number. You ask why else mention it? Because it is fact. I agree that big would work as well and would have no objection to either use. I guess that is my point really. I do not see the word black as particularly standing out any greater than ?blue? or ?22?.

The only area I could give ground on this is that of the tag Everton gained in the past as racists and being sensitive to the possibility of that re-emerging. I have to say, I have only ever once heard racist terms as an Evertonian and that was many years ago at Stamford Bridge when one of our own insulted Earl Barrett?s blatant lack of skill but had to include ?black bastard?. In the same match I heard someone refer to Chelsea?s players as ?Spaghetti eating...? Both appalled me equally but I did not, and do not, feel the remotest sense of shame when hearing the song.

I think anything that lifts his game would be a good thing and believe this song would do it. If he says otherwise I will totally agree we should change it. Let?s face it, he is the only person who has the right to choose the interpretation really.
Adam Cunliffe
35   Posted 05/08/2008 at 18:51:29

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I totaly agree with Lee on this one. To say some one is black is not racist, to say some on is a black (add insult her) is totaly racist and should not be tolerated.

However I do believe that the greatet contradiction in football is homophobia. I hear lots of players getting called queers and stuff like that. Isn?t that as bad as racism?
Nick Heady
36   Posted 05/08/2008 at 19:16:49

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FFS, are you lot avin a laugh! It's a good, funny song... black and blue go together the same as apples and pears. 22 is his shirt number but also if I was the person who made up the song I would like to claim that it was a reference to the ?age scandal? surrounding the player a couple of months ago. James Marshall, I'm fat and I find your comment totally fattish. One rule for you, I suppose, and another for the rest of us. I've got to stop now ? me tea's on the table.
Gordon Blair
37   Posted 05/08/2008 at 19:19:40

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Sorry gents, but I can promise you that most of my ?ethnically diverse? mates would be royally pissed off to hear that you can?t call somebody black due to it being insulting.

Observation doesn?t always imply judgement, and there?s nothing wrong with observing diversity and celebrating it.

Had the song had a derogatory tone, I could understand the sensitivity, but I daresay that the Yak is probably proud of his ethnicity and probably wouldn?t be all that upset that we?d noticed, after all, he?s been with us a year...

Chin up!
Alan Wilks
38   Posted 05/08/2008 at 19:56:25

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Doesn't matter about the "black" shout, it's a terrible song and I will cringe with embarrassment if that ever gets sung at an Everton match, they will be pissing themselves if they hear that.
Alan Clarke
39   Posted 05/08/2008 at 20:24:39

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It’s better that it’s based on a Torres song than a song about fucking Shaun Goater!
Fran Mitchell
40   Posted 05/08/2008 at 21:25:25

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Its simple, referring to him specifically to the fact that he?s black is racist. By doing so it is making the fact that he?s black a point of difference therefore meaning that being white is the norm.

This is NOT "PC-gone mad". PC gone mad is stopping teachers calling something a black-board, or brain-storming. However, the Daily Mail, Express, Sun etc have now used the term to describe any anti-racist, pro-immigration policy. However these newspapers are racist, so don?t believe them.

In terms of the MOBO awards, they where created because black music was and still is constantly overlooked by the music industry, which is predominately white. You wouldn?t have a MOWO awards because most POP-music is white (ok, apart from fact much influence from black in Elvis, Beatles, Rolling Stones etc, they where white and got recognition and awards, black people like Billie Holliday, Betty Smith, Miles Davies etc didn't).

The reason its called Black music is because it derives from a social condition white people didn't come from, Blues (and its ancestors jazz, Swing, rock ?n? roll) was an expression of that and also the only escape for it.

Racism isn?t just black and white, it's the entire system and structure around it.

Also, ginger people, bald people etc are not socially exluded, made poor etc because of their condition, black people are so to compare being ginger and tong-in-cheek gags about being bald with racism is a totally absurd argument.

What I must also ask, to those defending it, why do you see it so imperative to have it in the song? if a few people on here are offended imagine the thousands who hear it, quite a few will also find it so, then the club and its fans will be labelled racist, Everton will be fined etc.

Just change it to big or something, is it really so important to refer to him being black?
Nick Bird
41   Posted 05/08/2008 at 21:58:59

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Last time I looked he was black so what's the problem?
Steve Roberts
42   Posted 05/08/2008 at 22:16:17

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Any chance we could fuck this racist / non-racist conversation off and talk about football?

What?s anyone reckon about Kenwright?s little speech tonight?

Jimmy Sales
43   Posted 05/08/2008 at 22:43:31

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Understand all the arguments, but am old enough to remember Everton being branded one of the most racist club?s in England and the John Barnes and Paul Parker incidents. So a song to celebrate someone who is black is a great step forward away from those days. Progress like this and we may attract non-white investors like the bloke from India who?s got loads of spare cash......
Jim Bowen
44   Posted 05/08/2008 at 22:38:46

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It’s a song celebrating him, in no way is offensive, so don’t see how it can be a problem.

The problem term is echoing the refrain ’black and blue’ which last time I bothered to count was probably used in 1000 songs - from artists from all walks.

Let’s apply some context to this -- a footy match where the fans’ heroes, the chants, the humour, are all part of the show. I look forward to hearing this a week Saturday at Goodison after he smashes one in...

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