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Pyrrhic Victory?
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"Pyrrich victory", eh, Lyndon? Nevertheless, one you have consistently argued for. One Club that proposes to build a Stadium on a public park gets the go-ahead and another that proposes to build a stadium in essentially empty space gets knocked back.
What now? You asked the question yourself and I have asked it a number of times without getting published. A club on its uppers which nobody will invest in while the first bill will be for a new stadium.
We are fucked, and while this result is not a result of yours or KEIOC's opposition, I hope (probably forlornly) that the glee from certain quarters on this website will be respectfully muted.
We are the poorest club in the Premier League and whatever the views and discord about Destination KIrkby I hope that at least there will be a recognition of the precarious position that our club is in. The possibility of a new stadium assisting in alleviating that problem and attracting new and significant investment is no longer a possibility.
I am very concerned. I am very worried. I am desperate. I see a club in severe financial decline in search of new investment which is not going to come. I sense the smell of death which is reinforced by everything which is going on at (and with) the club at present. What hurts most is that I know there will be certain people celebrating this decision in the pubs in County Road tonight. Celebrate well, boys and girls... it may well come back to haunt you.
Dave Roberts, Posted 06/08/2008 at 19:11:23
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So Kirkby's off. A Pyhrric victory indeed for KEIOC et al. Now our club will "keep its soul" and descend into ingnominy in the championship or lower. I have snapped; I've had enough of these luddite fans fighting any change and blaming all the clubs woes on Kenwright and the board. You want to know why we don't have investors queuing up to invest? Because Goodison is derelict and whether we like it or not we are the second club in a city that is only big enough to accomodate two.
Would you invest in us? Would you really? As a businessman? Because right now I wouldn't. You can have your pie in the sky share rights issue idea but it won't work; we're not Celtic, we don't have the population of Ireland and any proud English speaking Catholic around the world supporting us. I love the club as much as anyone but the actions and complaints of these fans have not saved the club, they've at best set us back several years and at worst set us on a downward spiral we can't recover from. I hope you're happy.
Just read the breaking news and want to say to the whining KEIOC. Do you realise what you twats have done in helping the Liverpool-biased council effectively blow Kirkby out of the water?
I'm disgusted with the lot of you. We now have no new investment to look forward to as any would be investor is going to back off when having to spend millions on a stadium.
It also probably means David Moyes will do some serious thinking as to how EFC are ever going to match his ambitions. It really was the worst thing that could have happened.
We now have no money and no way of increasing revenue. Add to that the fact that redshite will be next door in a shiny new stadium, leaving us in the shadows...
I'd just like to sign off by congratulating KEIOC- you may have done that, but you have left the club in the 1980s.
A very fucked off Evertonian.
Sorry Doddy, Madden, but for most on ToffeeWeb we have had some good news in this summer of discontent.
Maybe now with the EGM looming we can get some truth from the club regarding finances and why we have had no signings.
Get Moyes signed up and Kenwright out of our club.
If there is one piece of soul lifting news, during this frustrating pre-season, DK being called in is it. There is no gloating here lads, just relief.
Interesting comment from Lyndon that we dont want investors who are intersted in a sideline retail development. Pray tell me what investors would want as a sideline to make money. At the end of the day football is a business and needs to make money and if an added retail development is the only way to get it then we should go for it. You and your likes think investment is going to come to us while we are still at Goodison, well you must be living in the clouds. I for one am gutted we had a chance to move onwards and upwards as a club and I agree with a previous writer, you at ToffeeWeb and KEIOC are Luddites. I will watch you and your kind ignore what has happened here and when we get relegated will blame BK or KW but you will not blame yourselves. SHAME ON YOU!
As a company director myself, its a sad day for Everton... it will take years for any potential planning to take place for any potential move away from Goodison, it has taken nearly 2 years to get to this stage. I don?t feel like celebrating either, not with the "No" voters as any potential investment will now disappear. It?s a sad day for Everton and the future financially for Everton as a business.
Listening to Radio Merseyside, two people have come on from KEIOC one the chairman. They have both said and the first said it outright, that KEIOC didn?t campign for it to be called in they just wanted to tell the club that it wouldn?t be possible and they needed a plan B.
It just more than a little difficult to reconcile those views with what has they have said and the many links and letters on their site telling people how to call it in.
Even so, how they and looking at the outside forum linked from this site, you would think that they had single handed stopped the development.
Now I don?t blame them at all, the fact is that the ground would have gone ahead what has been referred is the retail development. If the money was there I am sure the ground could be built.
It just seems strange the KEIOC are taking this view, perhaps they are preparing the ground that if things go really bad they can say its not their fault.
A little bit spineless I think.
It just more than a little difficult to reconcile those views with what has they have said and the many links and letters on their site telling people how to call it in.
Even so, how they and looking at the outside forum linked from this site, you would think that they had single handed stopped the development.
Now I don?t blame them at all, the fact is that the ground would have gone ahead what has been referred is the retail development. If the money was there I am sure the ground could be built.
It just seems strange the KEIOC are taking this view, perhaps they are preparing the ground that if things go really bad they can say its not their fault.
A little bit spineless I think.
Its funny and ironic isn?t it?? Have you noticed???
The same people celebrating the demise of DK are the same ones wanting Kenwright out.
Irony of ironies. They just don't get it... Kirkby significantly increased the possiblility of an actual investor buying Kenwright out.
The same people celebrating the demise of DK are the same ones wanting Kenwright out.
Irony of ironies. They just don't get it... Kirkby significantly increased the possiblility of an actual investor buying Kenwright out.
I too am angry and upset by the news on Kirkby. DK was clearly essential to our club getting vital new investment in anything but a crisis firesale (which now may be upon us). Yes, we may now lose Kenwright, but also now there is a good chance that we will also lose Moyes, and it is certain that the stability which has grounded our club’s success over the last few years will be lost. We are much less attractive now to potential new owners, and this may well go down as a dark day in our history.
You can be sure that no-one today at the club - right down to the players - will have been celebrating this particular ’victory’. Liverpool gets a brand new stadium overshadowing ours in the park - we get nothing. Liverpool City Council have completely shafted us. They give us nothing in the city, and won’t let us have anything else outside it. Dark days lie ahead.
You can be sure that no-one today at the club - right down to the players - will have been celebrating this particular ’victory’. Liverpool gets a brand new stadium overshadowing ours in the park - we get nothing. Liverpool City Council have completely shafted us. They give us nothing in the city, and won’t let us have anything else outside it. Dark days lie ahead.
Let me tell you right from the off that I am happy that the pitfalls of Kirkby will never have to be overcome.
If KW sells up now then the disgrace that was Kirkby will be his legacy - abject failure to deliver.
Hopefully all the other potential sites can be investigated fully now as they should have been in the first place.
If KW sells up now then the disgrace that was Kirkby will be his legacy - abject failure to deliver.
Hopefully all the other potential sites can be investigated fully now as they should have been in the first place.
Has anyone else noticed you aren’t able to "give this article the thumbs up" on the official sight?
What the hell happened to the club I supported last season and was looking to break into the top 4?
Dave James and David
Cant you see this had nothing to do with the no voters, the club did their level best to ride roughshod over our wishes.
You were told you were gullible fools all along to trust this board, but you knew better, you clung to the only promise they hadn't broken - DK was deliverable.
Guess what? You bought the magic beans again. They couldn't deliver it
Dare I say it...
Fuck it, yes I will:
GET OVER IT ! ! !
Cant you see this had nothing to do with the no voters, the club did their level best to ride roughshod over our wishes.
You were told you were gullible fools all along to trust this board, but you knew better, you clung to the only promise they hadn't broken - DK was deliverable.
Guess what? You bought the magic beans again. They couldn't deliver it
Dare I say it...
Fuck it, yes I will:
GET OVER IT ! ! !
I am overjoyed the Desperation Kirkby project has been called in. Apart from the guarantee of a lengthy delay of the ill-conceived plan to leave the city, there is the possibility that the project will ultimately collapse. Those who support this project ? and I respect their strongly held views ? should ponder the fact the best-case scenario in Kirkby was always going to be a second- or even third-rate stadium which we would be stuck with for 50 or more years. It was never going to be a stadium of anybody?s dreams. The worst-case scenario was a third-rate stadium where you can?t park and which you can?t reach by public transportation and would want to if you could.
This decision will force Everton to focus on other options, and there are other options. The goal should be a stadium we can be proud of within the boundaries of the city. If Kirkby was such a great place to build a stadium, Liverpool FC would be building one there already. They looked at Kirkby and they looked at Aintree and they chose to stay near their traditional home. So should we. Instead of recriminations and so on, the club and fans should refocus on a plan that works, not crazy plans to move away dreamed up by outsiders like Wyness who will never have to live with the consequences.
Tommy Hesketh,
My biggest concern in all of this is that i suspect the prospect of David Moyes signing that contract is now further away than ever. With an apparent lack of money for transfers he may well now feel he has taken us as far as he can. He may well be right.
What a fucking summer this has been!
My biggest concern in all of this is that i suspect the prospect of David Moyes signing that contract is now further away than ever. With an apparent lack of money for transfers he may well now feel he has taken us as far as he can. He may well be right.
What a fucking summer this has been!
I posted on this site a couple of days after the Yes vote and said "dont underestimate the Everton Board's capacity to balls things up". I guess in bringing in Keith Wyness and putting all their eggs in one basket (No plan B) then I was right.
No matter what happens now the Kirkby move was always a disaster waiting to happen.
The sad thing about all this is no future Everton Board will ever put a ground move to the fans again so we will just have to hope they get it right next time.
No matter what happens now the Kirkby move was always a disaster waiting to happen.
The sad thing about all this is no future Everton Board will ever put a ground move to the fans again so we will just have to hope they get it right next time.
Still fuming here. Personally I don't see what Everton have got to gain by wading through a public enquiry and all the potential costs (of any to the club) but certainly a lot of wasted time and effort. LCC are able to sit back now safe in the knowlege that they have stopped not only Everton from leaving the city but prevented an extremely deprived area form gaining much regeneration. Well my immediate thoughts would be to tell the government to spend their money on an enquiry then tell them when they pass it to shove it up the large arses as well as those from KEIOC and LCC.
Bit sad really, trust the Government to put the boot in!! Every other team in the world get away with this....but not us.
ps James.... what you on about scummy Celtic? So glad we aint them.... the thought is grotesque! yuk
ps James.... what you on about scummy Celtic? So glad we aint them.... the thought is grotesque! yuk
I'm made up. a new stadium in the back of beyond would have killed us; by staying in our city we fight on.
Oh my god its the boards fault now LMAO
Lyndon.
I take your point although I don?t agree with it. A Club in our position cannot look to ?long term solutions? if in the short term we are about to die! Destination Kirkby may have been a gamble in your view but it was certainly not desperate. It was, and remains, the best option we had (and have had) in order to make the best of our chances of survival.
It is over to you now. You and the oppostion cohorts. What do you propose now? The Bridge is held but the enemy is behind you. How exactly do you propose to save this Club now? Now that the Kirkby option has effectively gone how do you propose to solve the problem of our Club?s poverty? It is easy to oppose. Now what you opposed has gone you will have to be a little more discriminatory in what you propose for the future. Well then...lets have it.....I can?t wait.
I take your point although I don?t agree with it. A Club in our position cannot look to ?long term solutions? if in the short term we are about to die! Destination Kirkby may have been a gamble in your view but it was certainly not desperate. It was, and remains, the best option we had (and have had) in order to make the best of our chances of survival.
It is over to you now. You and the oppostion cohorts. What do you propose now? The Bridge is held but the enemy is behind you. How exactly do you propose to save this Club now? Now that the Kirkby option has effectively gone how do you propose to solve the problem of our Club?s poverty? It is easy to oppose. Now what you opposed has gone you will have to be a little more discriminatory in what you propose for the future. Well then...lets have it.....I can?t wait.
Time for all these Plan B & C people to get together with their buddy Warren Bradley and show us all there is some substance to all their hot air now eh?
Assuming there is an 18 months to two year timeline on the review process which will result from the project being called in, is it fair to make the following assumptions:
The club?s net worth, presumably, is neglibible or worse given the level of current debt so is unlikely to attract any buyers.
BK wont sell and will almost certainly stick around to see if theKirkby project makes it through this process.
The club?s net worth, presumably, is neglibible or worse given the level of current debt so is unlikely to attract any buyers.
BK wont sell and will almost certainly stick around to see if theKirkby project makes it through this process.
Tesco? What will their next step be considering the sizeable amount of property they now own in Kirkby? Unless Tesco support us financially for the next 2 years, where will the cash come from?
So all the No voters can now (Rejoice) as they did last week on hearing the news of KW. Now let"s see what that does to our transfer budget and our prospects for the coming season.
Hooray, another nail in the coffin of our club.
Not only do we get to limp forwards with the costs of keeping goodison ’safe’ but it also means the extra funds a new stadium would have provided have disappeared as well.
Before you break out the lambrini consider what that "extra £10 million a season" could have meant this summer.
Heres a toast to a stadium that is too small, with thousands of obstructed views, that does very little if any money making beyond matchdays that is the home of our club and could well prove to be its final resting place and the cause thereof.
Not only do we get to limp forwards with the costs of keeping goodison ’safe’ but it also means the extra funds a new stadium would have provided have disappeared as well.
Before you break out the lambrini consider what that "extra £10 million a season" could have meant this summer.
Heres a toast to a stadium that is too small, with thousands of obstructed views, that does very little if any money making beyond matchdays that is the home of our club and could well prove to be its final resting place and the cause thereof.
I’d noticed that too Dawson. Maybe a new strategy from the webmasters to try and prevent people of wasting precious milli-seconds of their lives by clicking their mouse for absolutely no discernable reason.
Don’t really know what to think about the news. In the short term this is probably very bad news financially, especially for those who want a quick takeover. In the long term, who knows. I’m away to start praying for a [very wealthy] knight in shining [true blue] armour. Here’s hoping, but I’ve a feeling that he may also need to be a bit short upstairs to get inbvolved, which I don’t think is that common a trait in multi-billionaires.
Don’t really know what to think about the news. In the short term this is probably very bad news financially, especially for those who want a quick takeover. In the long term, who knows. I’m away to start praying for a [very wealthy] knight in shining [true blue] armour. Here’s hoping, but I’ve a feeling that he may also need to be a bit short upstairs to get inbvolved, which I don’t think is that common a trait in multi-billionaires.
Peter and others - you are about to find out that THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE CAN AFFORD. Unless some rich new owner magically drops from the skies - hardly likely now. That is why we were going to Kirkby subsidised by Tesco.
But enjoy your dreams and your delusions for a little while longer, why not. The rest of us will have to live with the reality of the grim situation our football club is now in.
But enjoy your dreams and your delusions for a little while longer, why not. The rest of us will have to live with the reality of the grim situation our football club is now in.
Great news, now they can use all the cash they have been hiding to buy some quality and get us into the CL
A tiny squad and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Arteta’s, Lescott’s etc move on soon as a number of our key players signed contracts largely based on wanting to play at the new stadium but I can’t see them doing it even if the ground was to go ahead because it’s going to take ages now! They won’t let us build a ground in Liverpool, forcing us to look elsewhere and they won’t even let us build one in Kirkby, whereas Liverpool can just build one smack bang in the middle of Stanley Park, no questions asked! O well, look on the brightside I’m sure Phil Neville will stick by us! haha. I’m absolutely gutted about everything about Everton at the moment, I really can’t see us finishing 5th next season, I really think it’s going to be a struggle, we may aswell play our reserves in europe, otherwise our small number of first teamers will struggle playing all them games with no rest!
I don’t believe some of you lads. How the fuck, just because DK has been called in, are we now going to end up in the championship? Last time I looked we still had a very good team, that are a top 5 side. Ian Ross told us that transfer money was already in place, and would not have any bearing on DK being called in. So we still have money (so wer’e told ) for transfers. How would burdening the club with massive debt, on top of our existing debt be beneficial to us? The so called 10, 000 fans, where were they coming from? How do we know that we would sell out the corporate boxes, when we don’t even sell them out at Goodison?
Did you all think that the green stuff was just going to start rolling in, if DK had gone ahead? If you took of the blue tinted specs, maybe you may see, that this wasn’t the golden egg, that was embarassingly touted by the club. Or is it bad news for BK and Co ,because Kirkby was their golden egg?
Did you all think that the green stuff was just going to start rolling in, if DK had gone ahead? If you took of the blue tinted specs, maybe you may see, that this wasn’t the golden egg, that was embarassingly touted by the club. Or is it bad news for BK and Co ,because Kirkby was their golden egg?
Well the news we have dreaded has been confirmed. I for one believe we will now lose not only our manager but the last chance of buying some top notch players as investment will now cease. Philip Green and Robert Earl will probably call in the loans they gaye us. For me its wrong to have a go at the chairman over Kirkby for me I think he ballsed up over the Kings Dock. If we had the money in place for that we would by now almost in what by the standards of all the other grounds would have been a stadium second to none. I personally think BK should walk away before anymore damage is done.
Adam,
If you think that Tesco are going to support us for two seconds, let alone two years, you’ve got another thing coming. They are a publicly listed company, answerable to their shareholders. I don’t think they do that strong a line in philanthropy.
If you think that Tesco are going to support us for two seconds, let alone two years, you’ve got another thing coming. They are a publicly listed company, answerable to their shareholders. I don’t think they do that strong a line in philanthropy.
I would like to thank David Moyes for the six years he has given us. Where we could dream of breaking into the top four and establishing ourselves as a European side. I fear now that DK being called in means we are going to be limited in money that is available, we won't be able to improve our team, instead we will struggle to maintain the quality we have.
All it takes is one season of mid-table mediocrity and players like the Yak and Mikky will not want to hang around next year. This shouldn't spell the end of Everton, nothing will do that, but we have to accept the possibility that now will have to face a few years in midtable wilderness. I can see the headlines now........... Moyes "I have taken them as far as I can."
Nobody really wanted Everton to move out of the City even if it was only 4 miles. I just think that some fans have thought more with their head and heart than purely heart on this issues.
Those who celebrate this decision tonight better be prepared to accept the potential decline in the progress this club has made during the last six years as those who begrudgingly supported DK are already starting to accept.
All it takes is one season of mid-table mediocrity and players like the Yak and Mikky will not want to hang around next year. This shouldn't spell the end of Everton, nothing will do that, but we have to accept the possibility that now will have to face a few years in midtable wilderness. I can see the headlines now........... Moyes "I have taken them as far as I can."
Nobody really wanted Everton to move out of the City even if it was only 4 miles. I just think that some fans have thought more with their head and heart than purely heart on this issues.
Those who celebrate this decision tonight better be prepared to accept the potential decline in the progress this club has made during the last six years as those who begrudgingly supported DK are already starting to accept.
This is a complete disaster. And what really infuriates are the comments popping up across message boards on this and other sites gleefully suggesting that:
1)BK will now have to sell up (no doubt to one of the many billionaires these people imagine are waiting in the wings)
2) We can simply re-develop Goodison or move to a site within the city boundaries.
Wake up. Nobody will be interested in investing now and current investors may wll try to claw back funds. Alan Smith is probably now the height of our transfer ambitions and that isn’t Bill Kenwright’s fault.
There was only a plan A because partners willing to fund the bulk of a stadium build are few and far between. There’s no point digging the A-Z and looking for plots of land!
This was our chance and it’s probably gone. David Moyes (Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, The Yak) may soon follow!
1)BK will now have to sell up (no doubt to one of the many billionaires these people imagine are waiting in the wings)
2) We can simply re-develop Goodison or move to a site within the city boundaries.
Wake up. Nobody will be interested in investing now and current investors may wll try to claw back funds. Alan Smith is probably now the height of our transfer ambitions and that isn’t Bill Kenwright’s fault.
There was only a plan A because partners willing to fund the bulk of a stadium build are few and far between. There’s no point digging the A-Z and looking for plots of land!
This was our chance and it’s probably gone. David Moyes (Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, The Yak) may soon follow!
Without the stadium Everton is worth about £80 million.
With the stadium Everton is worth about £230 million.
Basically any new investor has got to pay for the new stadium anyway. Do some people really think Bill would just give it away? My arse.
To all the No voters - Get in there.
To all the Yes voters - Look on the bright side: Anything that upsets The red shite has got to be a plus.
With the stadium Everton is worth about £230 million.
Basically any new investor has got to pay for the new stadium anyway. Do some people really think Bill would just give it away? My arse.
To all the No voters - Get in there.
To all the Yes voters - Look on the bright side: Anything that upsets The red shite has got to be a plus.
I have been reading comments on Toffeeweb for ages. Only today I feel like I am a true Toffeeweb poster, because for the first time I have become a "glass half empty" type, that seems to swarm this website.
I can see no positive future for my beloved Everton at all now. We are truly fucked. I hope those who felt it was too big of a hassle to drive a few miles to the stadium instead of walking are happy now. They will not have to take any stick from Liverpool fans because our stadium is placed outside the city limit. Instead Liverpool fans can laugh about us beeing tenants at their new, shiny stadium, while playing in the Championship.
Moyes will NOT sign a new contract. Why would he. He is too good for this club. This summer has already shown him, that we do not have the money to sign anybody, and those we can afford do not want to come to Everton.
As we slip down the tabble, our best players like Arteta and The Yak will leave us, and we have no money to buy new ones.
No investor will want to take over this mess, even if we were put up for sale for £1. So to all of you celebrating that we are years away from getting a new stadium: See you on ToffeWeb, because you will have plenty to moan about in the future, the implossion of our beloved club has just begun.
I can see no positive future for my beloved Everton at all now. We are truly fucked. I hope those who felt it was too big of a hassle to drive a few miles to the stadium instead of walking are happy now. They will not have to take any stick from Liverpool fans because our stadium is placed outside the city limit. Instead Liverpool fans can laugh about us beeing tenants at their new, shiny stadium, while playing in the Championship.
Moyes will NOT sign a new contract. Why would he. He is too good for this club. This summer has already shown him, that we do not have the money to sign anybody, and those we can afford do not want to come to Everton.
As we slip down the tabble, our best players like Arteta and The Yak will leave us, and we have no money to buy new ones.
No investor will want to take over this mess, even if we were put up for sale for £1. So to all of you celebrating that we are years away from getting a new stadium: See you on ToffeWeb, because you will have plenty to moan about in the future, the implossion of our beloved club has just begun.
I’m sorry where is the evidence that building a new stadium in Kirkby would take the club to the next level. Southampton, Leicester, Derby, all small town teams (which is what we would become if we went to Kirkby) all thought a new stadium would move them to the next level. I suppose it did in a way-next level down. I know some people will throw Stoke and Hull back at me as clubs who have progressed from a new ground, but they started from a much lower starting point. I’m not someone who wants to stay at Goodison Park for the sake of it, but the wrong move now would be a disaster and Kirkby was always the wrong move.
Just a thought, has anybody seen Tottenhams figures for a new stadium and the redevelopment of White Hart Lane?
£500 mill new build on a site nearby
£300 mill to revelop, spending 2 years at another stadium nearby whilst it gets built!
£78 mill or less sounds rather good now doesn?t it?
A black day for our great club.
£500 mill new build on a site nearby
£300 mill to revelop, spending 2 years at another stadium nearby whilst it gets built!
£78 mill or less sounds rather good now doesn?t it?
A black day for our great club.
Colin- Why is Tottenhams new stadium costing £500m and ours is costing £150m.
Cow Shed perhaps?
Cow Shed perhaps?
jimmy...its in London?
John H Smith,
I look forward to many Big Name signings from tomorrow with all that spare cash. Oh dear, does this really represent our fanbase?
I look forward to many Big Name signings from tomorrow with all that spare cash. Oh dear, does this really represent our fanbase?
I am absolutely bemused by the lack of vision from our so called fans. Successful businesses make tough decisions for the good of the business, and our own fan base has killed off our own future success. No one will invest in a club with a run down stadium and who is in fear of upsetting its fans who are concerned only about history and not the future. This was the one opportunity for us to move forward and our own internal bickering and lack of support for the club when they needed us has come back to bite us in the ass. Try going down to Northwood on a Saturday night and tell any lad in the pub he?s not a scouser, we can?t all be born in Scottie but we all can love the team. 4 miles, 4 freaking miles!!!
Everton FC could be a great club again. This decision doesn’t prevent that - but might be a very big hindrance.
I don’t know if this has been influenced by people who swear that they’ll never set foot in a ground that isn’t within walking distance of their local - but if it has, then God help us all. We really are fucked.
Nothing but the best - I hope the Old Lady gets her safety certificate in the next few years.
I don’t know if this has been influenced by people who swear that they’ll never set foot in a ground that isn’t within walking distance of their local - but if it has, then God help us all. We really are fucked.
Nothing but the best - I hope the Old Lady gets her safety certificate in the next few years.
Dave Wilson,
Get Over it???
I’m sure, like many other blues we will get over it. It might take weeks but we will. What do you think the short terms future of the club consists of?
Get Over it???
I’m sure, like many other blues we will get over it. It might take weeks but we will. What do you think the short terms future of the club consists of?
Oh for fuck’s sake Dave Roberts, what utter rubbish. What utter utter rubbish and any of you other idiots that think we’re fucked.
To think that a club with the history of Everton FC is fucked because this whole Kirkby thing isn’t going through is the most ridiculous thing I’ve read. Who knows what the future holds? The fact that all these people who have been posting on here recently and other Everton websites about their ’inside knowledge’ which has all turned out to be bollox, shows noone knows what is going on inside Goodison. An extra £20million in Moyes’ coffers, I’ll gladly sacrfice and I’ll happily watch more mediocrity so the long term future of our club is protected.
So just because you’re upset Dave doesn’t mean the club is fucked. Pull yourself together man!
To think that a club with the history of Everton FC is fucked because this whole Kirkby thing isn’t going through is the most ridiculous thing I’ve read. Who knows what the future holds? The fact that all these people who have been posting on here recently and other Everton websites about their ’inside knowledge’ which has all turned out to be bollox, shows noone knows what is going on inside Goodison. An extra £20million in Moyes’ coffers, I’ll gladly sacrfice and I’ll happily watch more mediocrity so the long term future of our club is protected.
So just because you’re upset Dave doesn’t mean the club is fucked. Pull yourself together man!
Jimmy
It wasn’t and isn’t.
Just a reminder of the potential we have probably lost, and the opportunity to take the club to the next level.....gone.
very sad answer, very sad day1
It wasn’t and isn’t.
Just a reminder of the potential we have probably lost, and the opportunity to take the club to the next level.....gone.
very sad answer, very sad day1
Ian - Is everything in London 200 and odd percent more expesive than Kirby?
Its a Pyrrhic defeat not a Pyrrhic victory. If the proposals have been called in then maybe, just maybe, there is something wrong with them. To say that the calling-in was engineered by KEIOC supporters or red-leaning Councillors is nonsense.
The reaction of some to the news is bordering on the hysterical. Some of the pro-Kirkby contributors are painting a picture of Everton F.C. and its present home in such terms that attracts ridicule amongst other Premiership supporters. Some of you sound like Frankie Howard having a bad attack of the vapours.
Get a grip! The present stadium has more than 30,000 decent seats. If it makes the whingers feel better remove the seats with obstructed views and re-publish the correct figure for maximum capacity. Remember also that you go to the ground to watch the match not gorge on stale sausage rolls and warm beer. If you restrict your fluid intake before the match then the present toilets should be able to cope.
As for our aspirations on the pitch, we may well have to limit our horizons. It is the chasing of money and already devalued trophies that have got us in this mess in the first place. Remember that Everton stands for more than just competing for trophies. The ethos of the Club has been lost in recent years (decades). Perhaps it is time to re-dedicate the Club to playing the sort of attractive football that earns the admiration of outsiders and restores our pride in ourselves.
The fact that the RS might be playing in a mega stadium on our doorstep is of no interest or concern to me. I am an Evertonian. The fact that my Club may not able (at the present time) to spend millions on players does not lead me to denigrate it because of its relative financial poverty. It is the fear of my Club suffering more damaging spiritual poverty that concerns me most.
Now might be the time for all of us to be more realistic about potential targets and learn to live in the now and stop worrying about tomorrow. The Manager needs to be prudent in the days that remain before the transfer window closes. If he chooses to stay then he faces a tremendous challenge. However, there are enough good players at the Club and youngsters in waiting for 2008-2009 to be a decent season. Perhaps if we remove some of the extravagant expectations from the equation then players and fans might learn to start enjoying the games more.
The reaction of some to the news is bordering on the hysterical. Some of the pro-Kirkby contributors are painting a picture of Everton F.C. and its present home in such terms that attracts ridicule amongst other Premiership supporters. Some of you sound like Frankie Howard having a bad attack of the vapours.
Get a grip! The present stadium has more than 30,000 decent seats. If it makes the whingers feel better remove the seats with obstructed views and re-publish the correct figure for maximum capacity. Remember also that you go to the ground to watch the match not gorge on stale sausage rolls and warm beer. If you restrict your fluid intake before the match then the present toilets should be able to cope.
As for our aspirations on the pitch, we may well have to limit our horizons. It is the chasing of money and already devalued trophies that have got us in this mess in the first place. Remember that Everton stands for more than just competing for trophies. The ethos of the Club has been lost in recent years (decades). Perhaps it is time to re-dedicate the Club to playing the sort of attractive football that earns the admiration of outsiders and restores our pride in ourselves.
The fact that the RS might be playing in a mega stadium on our doorstep is of no interest or concern to me. I am an Evertonian. The fact that my Club may not able (at the present time) to spend millions on players does not lead me to denigrate it because of its relative financial poverty. It is the fear of my Club suffering more damaging spiritual poverty that concerns me most.
Now might be the time for all of us to be more realistic about potential targets and learn to live in the now and stop worrying about tomorrow. The Manager needs to be prudent in the days that remain before the transfer window closes. If he chooses to stay then he faces a tremendous challenge. However, there are enough good players at the Club and youngsters in waiting for 2008-2009 to be a decent season. Perhaps if we remove some of the extravagant expectations from the equation then players and fans might learn to start enjoying the games more.
The one chance we had to really prosper is gone. Why...???? Because some of us don?t want to change. So happy in our comfort zone, we?re unwilling to try and step out to live it out there. What do we have? A chairman without money??? A bunch of share holders without the financial clout to pump in the cash without expecting any monetary returns but pride? Thank you KEIOC for you only knew how to make noise without actually putting the money where your mouth is. If BK or the board were doing such a bad job in financing the club...what were you doing to change that situation? Did KEIOC bring in a big investor? Non whatsowever. I hope the supporters of anti DK can sleep in peace knowing that EFC is destined to oblivion very soon. Fuck all of you.
A very sad and depressed Evertonian.
A very sad and depressed Evertonian.
Make no mistake, the vocal opposition from a section of Everton fans has made this decision an awful lot easier, and congratulations to all of you who have campaigned for this, you?ve achieved your ambition. What does it mean in practice?
Well, no matter what other alternatives may be considered, we won?t be moving anywhere for at least the next 5 or 6 years. During that time, our financial position relative to all of our competitors will continue to decline, anyone who hasn?t enjoyed the transfer debacles of this preseason had better prepare themselves for the next few, does anyone really think that Moyes?s 5 year plan includes the expectation that he will be continually outspent by City, Villa, Spurs, Portsmouth, West Ham, Newcastle, Sunderland, let alone the Sky 4? Of course not, he may not leave tomorrow, but he?s going to be keeping his eyes open for a club who will back him in the way that we can?t.
Kirkby may have had some serious flaws, but at this point it was the only realistic way that we were going to compete. The irony is that it won?t be long before the vocal anti-Kirkby voices on this site are coming on demanding that the club invests in players and compete in the transfer market - I?m afraid we can?t have it both ways.
Lets just put a few misnomers to bed eh?
IT IS NOT ANY SUPPORTERS FAULT that Kirkby fell through.
EFC (Who dont tell lies or issue misleading statements) have insisited all close season that Kirkby did not have any effect one way or the other on our transfer budget.
NOT BUYING ANY PLAYERS AND SELLING AJ amongst letting the other squad members go IS NOT ANY SUPPORTERS FAULT.
THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE CHAIRMAN.
IT IS NOT ANY SUPPORTERS FAULT that Kirkby fell through.
EFC (Who dont tell lies or issue misleading statements) have insisited all close season that Kirkby did not have any effect one way or the other on our transfer budget.
NOT BUYING ANY PLAYERS AND SELLING AJ amongst letting the other squad members go IS NOT ANY SUPPORTERS FAULT.
THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE CHAIRMAN.
Alan Clarke
I would very much appreciate evidence to support your views. I won?t hold my breath, however, as I know there isn?t any except knee jerk!
I would very much appreciate evidence to support your views. I won?t hold my breath, however, as I know there isn?t any except knee jerk!
Good god the rage from the Yes voters on here is staggering, I don?t see any No voters celebrating, but the sight of the Yes voters lashing out in all directions is stunning.
A little bit of perspective is needed; we still have a good first team squad albeit a small one, David Moyes is still with us for this season at least.
If you thought that DK was the answer to all of our ills, then I pity you.
A little bit of perspective is needed; we still have a good first team squad albeit a small one, David Moyes is still with us for this season at least.
If you thought that DK was the answer to all of our ills, then I pity you.
Jimmy, as far as building a footy ground...yes!!
Keith Glazzard,
That does appear to be "our" problem. I will be making a 320 mile round trip this weekend for the PSV Friendly and like anyone will enjoy a few with family. But we are looking at the bigger picture now, it is not 1985 anymore.
That does appear to be "our" problem. I will be making a 320 mile round trip this weekend for the PSV Friendly and like anyone will enjoy a few with family. But we are looking at the bigger picture now, it is not 1985 anymore.
Why don’t these angry yes voters "Get over it"?
That’s one point I’ve been trying to get accross Jay, We were told by Ross that DK being called in would have no bearing on transfer money, because they were already in place. You fans now stating that we won’t have the money now for new signings, are you saying that the club lied to us?
Ian- As a tradesmen earning £15 quid an hour, maybe I should move to London when Tottenham start work. I make that fifty odd quid that I?ll get.
Alan Clarke,
Just because DK has been called in doesn’t mean we are fucked. You are right. DM not signing a contract. EFC signing NO players. 6 players leaving since the end of the season. Not enough players to fill the bench this season. The CEO leaving with no real reason. No investment. PN signing a 4yr contract.
These are some of the reasons why, for this season. For the immediate short term - we are fucked.
I’ve tried to look at it from a view different angles but it all equates to the same thing; if we don’t find our sugar daddy, very soon, we’re screwed.
Just because DK has been called in doesn’t mean we are fucked. You are right. DM not signing a contract. EFC signing NO players. 6 players leaving since the end of the season. Not enough players to fill the bench this season. The CEO leaving with no real reason. No investment. PN signing a 4yr contract.
These are some of the reasons why, for this season. For the immediate short term - we are fucked.
I’ve tried to look at it from a view different angles but it all equates to the same thing; if we don’t find our sugar daddy, very soon, we’re screwed.
Just like to add my voice to the disgusted and worried. How the hell will we attract investment at GP and with the current financial market. mid table mediocrity and more years of competing with Fulham and Sunderland for second rate players. Congratulations to the luddites who will no doubt be cellebrating tonight. I’d just love one of them to give us a serious viable alternative to DK with funding that will help this great club progress. The fact is not one of you will because without DK no investment is coming in fact money will undoubtably be leaving the club.
Incidently I find it funny how suddenly the pro DK fans seem to be in the majority in posting when we’ve been told all along that we were a massive minority.
Incidently I find it funny how suddenly the pro DK fans seem to be in the majority in posting when we’ve been told all along that we were a massive minority.
Why are so many people saying that because Kirkby has been axed no one will invest anymore...... and that were doomed blah blah..... If Kenwright and others didn't release these comments about a ?billionaire? taking over only IF Kirkby gets the green light then no-one would be saying this.
Basically, were not moving to a stadium that looks shite and will have no soul; I?m happy. The people saying we're dead as a club need to stop talking out their arses.
Basically, were not moving to a stadium that looks shite and will have no soul; I?m happy. The people saying we're dead as a club need to stop talking out their arses.
When I heard the news I was very excited and happy. But after giving it some thought, I got quite sad. After some more thought, I?m undecided, but I do know this, the majority of people on here are talking out of their holes!
Firstly, someone said Arteta & Co signed up to play at the new stadium. 5 years is the maximum amount, and I?m not sure the ?New Goodison? would be ready by then anyway.
Secondly, Goodison Park is a 40,000+ stadium. Really think about it now, that?s very big. Portsmouth wanted to build a brand new 36,000 stadium, so why worry about this?
In addition to this, I forget their name, but someone from the club said the finances to do with the transfer budget and DK were not in correlation. We are quite poor but its just because Kenwright is relatively poor compared with other owners of football clubs. He knows he needs to sell to a billionaire in order for the club to progress financially. We are an unattractive prospect though, I admit. The board are known to be in the hunt for a new stadium so this will put off any potential buyers (we could put off a ground move for 10, 15 years).
Finally, Moyes may or may not sign a contract. This has been up in the air for a while so I don?t have any idea what factors he?s considering when deciding to sign or not.
Firstly, someone said Arteta & Co signed up to play at the new stadium. 5 years is the maximum amount, and I?m not sure the ?New Goodison? would be ready by then anyway.
Secondly, Goodison Park is a 40,000+ stadium. Really think about it now, that?s very big. Portsmouth wanted to build a brand new 36,000 stadium, so why worry about this?
In addition to this, I forget their name, but someone from the club said the finances to do with the transfer budget and DK were not in correlation. We are quite poor but its just because Kenwright is relatively poor compared with other owners of football clubs. He knows he needs to sell to a billionaire in order for the club to progress financially. We are an unattractive prospect though, I admit. The board are known to be in the hunt for a new stadium so this will put off any potential buyers (we could put off a ground move for 10, 15 years).
Finally, Moyes may or may not sign a contract. This has been up in the air for a while so I don?t have any idea what factors he?s considering when deciding to sign or not.
Jimmy - please go and I wish you well, but you will need the £50 to live down there :-)
Good or bad news? That is the question regarding the news that the dk stadium plan has been called in. Good news for those wishing to see the club remain in the city, but will this latest news send Bill and his advisors (Green and Earl) over the edge and want out? Similarly, I can now see Moyes not signing that contract as funds will dry up from potential backers. It looks a very uncertain period for the club.
David, I too am a little surprised by the genuine outburst of pain from Yes voters here today. I have felt at times that I was close to one of a few voices arguing the Yes cause here. It is not great comfort to know now that I am far from alone, and there are many other realists among our fan base who don’t spent their time in pleasant dreams and fantasies.
But to those who say: what’s all the fuss, we will survive? Of course we will. But we will now be consistently outspent by the top half of the Premiership and cannot possibly hope to keep hold of our manager or our best players in coming seasons unless a major new investor materialises from somewhere with the odd £200M to build a new stadium for starters (if only he can find one). Never mind investing on the pitch.
DK was not the answer to all our ills. But at least it gave the sick patient a chance of recovery. Now we are on life support at GP for the forseeable future.
But to those who say: what’s all the fuss, we will survive? Of course we will. But we will now be consistently outspent by the top half of the Premiership and cannot possibly hope to keep hold of our manager or our best players in coming seasons unless a major new investor materialises from somewhere with the odd £200M to build a new stadium for starters (if only he can find one). Never mind investing on the pitch.
DK was not the answer to all our ills. But at least it gave the sick patient a chance of recovery. Now we are on life support at GP for the forseeable future.
Is this the end or just several more years pissing about?
It is probably a fact that Kirkby will not happen at any time. You only have to look around the country at the number of major building projects that have been put on hold to understand the project is now dead in the water. Despite the positive noises coming out of Goodison that this is not the end, anybody with a relatively limited knowledge of the current financial state of the world will know that things are not going to improve in 12 or 18 months. The bottom line today, tomorrow or in 18 months is we will not be able to afford the stadium now it has been called in.
My hope is that we do not sit around as a club for the next 12 months waiting for the inevitable. That will be a recipe for a disaster and may well permanently damage the club. There are two initiatives that can be acted upon immediately ?
1. Warren Bradley has publicly stated on numerous occasions the wish of Liverpool council is for Everton to stay within the boundaries. Now is the time for some positive and practical statements that back up that statement and not the usual hyperbollocks we get. If they are serious this is the perfect opportunity. Goodison redevelopment has been continually dismissed without as far as I can see any constructive comment from Goodison. A fully supportive council may make this a very viable possibility.
2. For any organisation to publicly state there is no Plan B shows a commercial naivety that beggars belief. I have to hope this was Wyness getting carried away in his rush to steamroll the project through. No business that is serious about being a success would operate without a contingency plan. Now is the time for Everton to go public with the due diligence work they surely must have carried out on the alternatives over the previous two years.
As somebody who voted yes (sorry but I feel better now) I am disappointed the project has fallen through. It remains to be seen if there is a long term effect on the club.
P.S What I don?t understand is how we have gone from being the fifth best team in the premiership to a team in danger of relegation, according to many of the comments, in the space of three summer months. Now Cars was good but not that good surely.
My hope is that we do not sit around as a club for the next 12 months waiting for the inevitable. That will be a recipe for a disaster and may well permanently damage the club. There are two initiatives that can be acted upon immediately ?
1. Warren Bradley has publicly stated on numerous occasions the wish of Liverpool council is for Everton to stay within the boundaries. Now is the time for some positive and practical statements that back up that statement and not the usual hyperbollocks we get. If they are serious this is the perfect opportunity. Goodison redevelopment has been continually dismissed without as far as I can see any constructive comment from Goodison. A fully supportive council may make this a very viable possibility.
2. For any organisation to publicly state there is no Plan B shows a commercial naivety that beggars belief. I have to hope this was Wyness getting carried away in his rush to steamroll the project through. No business that is serious about being a success would operate without a contingency plan. Now is the time for Everton to go public with the due diligence work they surely must have carried out on the alternatives over the previous two years.
As somebody who voted yes (sorry but I feel better now) I am disappointed the project has fallen through. It remains to be seen if there is a long term effect on the club.
P.S What I don?t understand is how we have gone from being the fifth best team in the premiership to a team in danger of relegation, according to many of the comments, in the space of three summer months. Now Cars was good but not that good surely.
Where does this leave us financially in preparation for the new season? I, for one, am worried as a result of this decision.
Hold on one minute! Just in case you've got a glass in hand, toasting the government's decision to call in Destination Kirkby for a public enquiry, just stand back and reflect for one moment. Today, 6th August, Everton football club is apparently once again secure in its Goodison Park stronghold.
Very nice you might say. Well consider this as well. In addition to our geographical security, we are also flat broke, we have a majority shareholder who wants to sell but nobody wants to buy, no chief executive, and a first rate manager who's now probably had enough.
A government "go-ahead" might just have changed things. What do you think?
Did I hear you say "Cheers"?
Neil Pearse, what the Tear Down Goodison brigade never do is answer the real question surrounding the Kirkby move. Why is moving to a crap stadium in a crappier location outside the city at enormous expense to the club so beneficial? The arithmetic of the move has never been properly presented. We hear terms like deal of the century and ?an extra $10M a year? but the real answers never come. Arsenal was almost bankrupted by their move, Liverpool could still be bankrupted by theirs. The fact is that people have clung to this idea that all we have to do is lay a few bricks in Kirkby and all our problems will be solved. No stadium - even if it was delivered vacuum packed and pre-built tomorrow, would pay off as an investment for a decade. It has nothing to do with today?s problems. The fact that the fan base is divided tells you it is a flawed plan. If it was a great plan you and I would recognize it and agree with it imediately as would most Evertonians.
When the dust settles on this decision we will see there is a genuine reason/s for the scheme being called in. This suggests that Tesco and or Everton didn't do there homework properly.
I have said all along that Everton should not have entered into the exclusivity deal with Tesco as it meant they had no were else to go.
This is the Everton Board's balls up not the no voters .
Believe me this will turn out a blessing in disguise!!
I have said all along that Everton should not have entered into the exclusivity deal with Tesco as it meant they had no were else to go.
This is the Everton Board's balls up not the no voters .
Believe me this will turn out a blessing in disguise!!
I suspect 50% of us our chuffed to bits that its been called in and 50% will think its the end of the world . I personally lean to the latter.
What I suspect will happen is that the future will now be so uncertain that we will meander over the next 2 years , probably going through the same emotions we've felt the last 6 weeks or so, every Jan window and every summer window, wondering where Bill is going to get the £30m a year for transfers. Moyes will get upset again and our dirty washing will be plastered over every national newspaper and media outlet.
Whatever your views on DK now is the time to get behind the club at a very uncertain time for the club. The call in could mean we become the next leeds within months or it may be the best thing that has happened to us - no one knows for sure.
What I do know is that we are at our best with our backs to the wall - let's forget about DK for while and really show our support for the team.
On a final note, if at the end of all this DK is still approved can we give all the arguments a miss and just respect the decision and if you still don't want to go, just don't go on about it.
What I do know is that we are at our best with our backs to the wall - let's forget about DK for while and really show our support for the team.
On a final note, if at the end of all this DK is still approved can we give all the arguments a miss and just respect the decision and if you still don't want to go, just don't go on about it.
For the first time ever, I have to agree with Jay Harris. It is not the (anti) supporters’ fault that this has been called in. Only 0.01% of ALL planning applications ever get called in.
The decision has little or nothing to do with Everton’s FC or its plans for a new stadium, per se. It has everything to do with the size of the retail development in that particular locale.
Whilst KEIOC and its few hundred supporters campaigned vociferously against the move, their impact and influence would, I believe, have been negligible - insignificant - in this decision. (That said, the comments attributed to their leading offices in this thread are laughably disingenuous).
IMHO, it’s a setback for the club and its ambitions to genuinely compete at the sharp end of the football world. It is not terminable.
Oh! And regardless of where we play and what league we play in, I will continue to follow and support my club. No sulking tantrums or petty threats from me that I will withdraw my support for the club just because this decision has not gone the way I would have liked.
Forever Blue...
The decision has little or nothing to do with Everton’s FC or its plans for a new stadium, per se. It has everything to do with the size of the retail development in that particular locale.
Whilst KEIOC and its few hundred supporters campaigned vociferously against the move, their impact and influence would, I believe, have been negligible - insignificant - in this decision. (That said, the comments attributed to their leading offices in this thread are laughably disingenuous).
IMHO, it’s a setback for the club and its ambitions to genuinely compete at the sharp end of the football world. It is not terminable.
Oh! And regardless of where we play and what league we play in, I will continue to follow and support my club. No sulking tantrums or petty threats from me that I will withdraw my support for the club just because this decision has not gone the way I would have liked.
Forever Blue...
Lets try and lighten up with a song
"When the sun shines we’ll shine together
Told you WE’LL be here forever"
tol . . . .arr come on ? ? ?
Join in
Alright lets try an old Roy Orbison classic
"It’s over, It’s ov" . . . perhaps not
alright, alright, what about the arl talking heads one ?
Ready ?
"we’re on the road to nowhere"
Fuck it if your not joining in I’m going to work
"When the sun shines we’ll shine together
Told you WE’LL be here forever"
tol . . . .arr come on ? ? ?
Join in
Alright lets try an old Roy Orbison classic
"It’s over, It’s ov" . . . perhaps not
alright, alright, what about the arl talking heads one ?
Ready ?
"we’re on the road to nowhere"
Fuck it if your not joining in I’m going to work
Averting catastrophy is normally cause for celebration. Watching some still trying to justify this debacle is pitifull. The freeby, the no-brainer that was presented to us as Destination Kirkby with all the frills that were actually non-existent, was in fact a non-starter all along.
This after all the other exposed deceptions only further highlights the fundamentally flawed process, or lack of such to date...... NO PLAN B? Plan A doesn’t look too clever either!!
This after all the other exposed deceptions only further highlights the fundamentally flawed process, or lack of such to date...... NO PLAN B? Plan A doesn’t look too clever either!!
Does anyone know if the club are locked into an exclusivilty deal with Tesco until a final decision or can either of the parties walk away now?
Neil
I don’t know why I should bother going through the ins and outs of DK with you, especially as you use those straw men arguments which smear those who disagree with you.
Anyway here it goes, your belief that DK = new investor is flawed, if anything DK didn’t have a business plan that would attract an investor.
If DK was the cure then maybe the disease is preferable. EFC condition is not terminal but moving to KIrkby would have left the club flatlining not recovering.
I don’t know why I should bother going through the ins and outs of DK with you, especially as you use those straw men arguments which smear those who disagree with you.
Anyway here it goes, your belief that DK = new investor is flawed, if anything DK didn’t have a business plan that would attract an investor.
If DK was the cure then maybe the disease is preferable. EFC condition is not terminal but moving to KIrkby would have left the club flatlining not recovering.
Alan Clarke, Brian Finnigan
You talk about club history and the spirit of the club beeing lost if we moved to Kirkby
At the same time you talk about accepting mediocrity and that people should have more realistic transfer targets.
Do you know what "Nil satis nisi optimum" means? Because that is a very important part of the Everton history and spirit as well.
You talk about club history and the spirit of the club beeing lost if we moved to Kirkby
At the same time you talk about accepting mediocrity and that people should have more realistic transfer targets.
Do you know what "Nil satis nisi optimum" means? Because that is a very important part of the Everton history and spirit as well.
Destination Kirkby bigger than Everton Football Club?
We are Evertonians. Fifth in the league last year, in the UEFA Cup, a dressing room atmosphere that many teams would kill for.
EVERYONE CALM DOWN!
Kings Dock spelt the end for us too if you remember? Everton Football Club will survive.
We are Evertonians. Fifth in the league last year, in the UEFA Cup, a dressing room atmosphere that many teams would kill for.
EVERYONE CALM DOWN!
Kings Dock spelt the end for us too if you remember? Everton Football Club will survive.
Peter, if you think getting a brand new stadium for somewhere in the region of £50M new borrowings is "enormous expense", then you are really completely blind as to what has just happened to our club. One day will have to find several multiples of that for a new stadium - if we can ever afford one.
Right at the top Lyndon says no glee here. Then Connie and the likes say "Celebration time!". How narrow minded.
PLEEEEASE tell me where the club goes from here? Oh I forgot GP forever and ever....
PLEEEEASE tell me where the club goes from here? Oh I forgot GP forever and ever....
Did anyone really believe Kenwright would deliver this stadium? As a No voter I always knew something would go wrong. Kenwright has failed again!
Also this decision had absolutely nothing to do with any of the fans.
Also this decision had absolutely nothing to do with any of the fans.
Not that I think we’ll get to a final decision by the way, but this might drag on for a few months yet before it finally collapases. It could also preclude investment[!]
Daivd, if we don’t require DK to get a rich new investor, why don’t we have one already? It’s a simple question really.
Neil
why not ask the current chairman that question?
Considering that you have not responded to the point i made about DK not having a viable business plan, can I conclude that you and I are in agreement?
why not ask the current chairman that question?
Considering that you have not responded to the point i made about DK not having a viable business plan, can I conclude that you and I are in agreement?
I do think the shit realy has hit the fan. This time next year we will still get the same people calling BK to put up the cash for players. The pure fact is that we can't afford to move to a new stadium as we do not have the funds to do this. No one will dare buy Everton in such debt. We will probably have to start selling are better players to pay back some debt next year and bring in average shite. I can point to loads of sites were there is land but who will give us the stadium???
As a strong yes supporter I am depressed at the prospect of Alan Smith being our big summer signing. I honestly believe that Kirby would have attracted a billionaire investor but now I think we may have missed the boat. Bad news follows bad news and the next I predict is Moyes not staying with a club that can not match his ambitions. Football is no place for sentiment. It is a place for winners and losers I pray that the no voters a right my mind says we done for.
No David, we are certainly not in agreement. Like many others posting today I believe that this is black day for the club. By the way - how the hell do you know that Kirkby does not have "a viable business plan"? Have you read it?
Now it’s time to see if Bestway, Warren Bradley and Sainbury all actually had viable alternatives, or they were talking a good game all along. LCC now have the perfect opportunity to put up or shut up.
Right, going to try and make this my last post because everyone's going round in circles!
This is no-one?s fault! Not the board's fault, not the no-voters' fault. In the end, the project didn?t seem overtly feasible so it has been called in for further investigation. The plans themselves were not majorly constructed by Everton FC, and they obviously weren?t up to scratch.
This is no-one?s fault! Not the board's fault, not the no-voters' fault. In the end, the project didn?t seem overtly feasible so it has been called in for further investigation. The plans themselves were not majorly constructed by Everton FC, and they obviously weren?t up to scratch.
Ron just in case you missed it. Ross said that even if DK was to be called in, that would have no bearing on transfer money, because that was already in place.
Now, if DK does hinder our transfer monies, and Smith is our big summer signing, it means that the club once again lied to us.
Now, if DK does hinder our transfer monies, and Smith is our big summer signing, it means that the club once again lied to us.
Spot on Kevin Tully... my thoughts exactly
The Council now have a chance to back up their rhetoric (unless this exclusivity agreement is perpetual)
Let?s also hope Kilfoyle keeps his gob shut this time.
The Council now have a chance to back up their rhetoric (unless this exclusivity agreement is perpetual)
Let?s also hope Kilfoyle keeps his gob shut this time.
To the narrow minded lot. Since business is difficult for you to grasp, think of it like doing your own accounts each month. You know like the gas, elecy, rent, credit card, car finance etc. Balanced by your salary coming in. Well Everton have been increasing their overdraft EVERY month! With the prospect of the "new job" or "promotion" gone it’s a case of "well I guess we will have to cut the spending". Sell the car. Stop the Sky subscription.
That’s what is ahead.
That’s what is ahead.
Dont blame the people who voted No or the KEIOC people, Everything that happens to do wiyh EFC has to be to the credit or blame ot the man at the top. We need to move on and focus on the alternatives, Sainsburys and Walton Hall Park sounds like a good starting point to me. All you people who wanted to move to Kirkby need to expand your thoughts to now study all the alternatives, Exclusivity deal over. We should be able to choose a better place for our club to live for the next 100 years. Don't be doom and gloom merchants.
And to think, you lot had the cheek to call us no voters, doom mongers!
Brian Waring, has it ever occurred to you that people running public businesses or governmental offices don’t always tell you the WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? That on many occasions they have good reasons to say things which are not wholly truthful? And that if you are waiting for a Chairman and CEO who will do so you are simply dreaming?
Good luck anyway! I’m sure when Bill follows Keith we will have the Archangel Gabriel running the club, supported by Gautama Buddha.
Good luck anyway! I’m sure when Bill follows Keith we will have the Archangel Gabriel running the club, supported by Gautama Buddha.
This is the beginning of something, I am not totally sure though it the beginning of something entirely good.
The future will no doubt tell, but at the moment, I am at a loss to see how we are going to keep hold of the position we currently hold in terms of being in the top6.
We need investment, but where will it come from?
The future will no doubt tell, but at the moment, I am at a loss to see how we are going to keep hold of the position we currently hold in terms of being in the top6.
We need investment, but where will it come from?
Great idea Barry Sherlock
Lets’s make some obvious savings;
Sell everything but GP and the players
Outsource the catering
Outsource the retailing
Get rid of highly-paid wastrels like Wyness
Downsize the PR and Customer Services
That’ll do for starters
Lets’s make some obvious savings;
Sell everything but GP and the players
Outsource the catering
Outsource the retailing
Get rid of highly-paid wastrels like Wyness
Downsize the PR and Customer Services
That’ll do for starters
Neil
A stadium with Kirkby’s transport links would, pardon my pun, drive away the customers and reduce attendences. Park and walk a maximum of 45 minutes! No non-sporting events to be held at Kirkby. Allowing KMBC 100 free uses of the conference facilities. There we have two sources of revenue curtailed by DK.
The clubs business plan was that it would bring in an an additional 10million pounds. The transport problems on its own makes a mockery of these projections.
A stadium with Kirkby’s transport links would, pardon my pun, drive away the customers and reduce attendences. Park and walk a maximum of 45 minutes! No non-sporting events to be held at Kirkby. Allowing KMBC 100 free uses of the conference facilities. There we have two sources of revenue curtailed by DK.
The clubs business plan was that it would bring in an an additional 10million pounds. The transport problems on its own makes a mockery of these projections.
Shame on most of you. For months the anti Kirkby brigade have been bombarding this site with (IMO) fabricated bullshit to suit their arguement. Now its been called in the yes voters (and yes I am one) are now up in arms and posting their worries about the coming season. Where were most of you when the minority of yes voters posted on here and got bashed 10 to 1 by the no voters? I have never seen so many people post on here from the yes voters in the same month let alone the same day. This is indeed a bad day for the club as it will put us back many years and we will now most likely become a selling club so we can compete with the Fulhams of this world instead of attempting to compete with the so called top four.
Why do I bother going through these tired old arguments which have been made redundant by today’s news.
Bring on the EGM.
Bring on the EGM.
Okay Neil, what purpose would it serve to lie to the fans, stating transfer monies are in place, when that’s not the case?
If Smith ended up being our only signing, wouldn’t you be well and truly pissed off, after being told transfer money was set aside?
If Smith ended up being our only signing, wouldn’t you be well and truly pissed off, after being told transfer money was set aside?
Of course Neil we will survive. The question is whether we now have a hope in hell’s chance of competing with the top four - or even holding our place in the top ten. Some of us doubt it, that’s all, and that’s why we are upset.
By the way, I for one doubt that KEOIC or the No voters had any effect whatsoever on Kirkby being called in. This was a big public decision about a huge Tesco retail development. Warren Bradley and the LCC certainly did have an effect in their strident opposition. If these are our friends, who needs enemies?
By the way, I for one doubt that KEOIC or the No voters had any effect whatsoever on Kirkby being called in. This was a big public decision about a huge Tesco retail development. Warren Bradley and the LCC certainly did have an effect in their strident opposition. If these are our friends, who needs enemies?
There are many ways to look at today?s decision - I think it is fair to say that this will bring an end to the DK scheme - but what now? Modern day football needs substantial investment from external sources (retail) but we have to face it we’re not going to get it now!! Move down to one of the empty docks and we’ll have a ground that will get used 20 times a year with the odd concert! It simply will not be a viable option if we want to compete. (Even to get into Europe). I’m a bit gutted - not because i was in favour of moving but because I?m struggling to see a way forward! Guess we’ve got a few weeks to see what the now exposed financial state of the club holds! £1.5 million for Alan Smith? Thinking we’re going to have to get used to it!
Think about it for a minute Brian. We are currently in tense negotiations with a number of clubs to buy their players. Do you think it would be helpful at this stage to come out and say: "Oh, by the way, if DK gets called in we probably won’t have enough money?" Quite properly the club wants to reassure potential sellers that we can indeed pony up the cash. Even if we may real have difficulty in doing so if DK gets called in.
What you guys don’t get with all your obsession with ’lies’ is that the fans are not the only audience, and on some occasions not the most important audience, for public pronouncements from the club.
What you guys don’t get with all your obsession with ’lies’ is that the fans are not the only audience, and on some occasions not the most important audience, for public pronouncements from the club.
I was a fan of the Kirkby move but as the whole sad deck of cards fell down around our ears I was glad that I didn’t recieve my voting card.
My big concern is what now for EFC? What can realistically be done about GP or even a new stadium? Will proposed enabling partners from the past (Bestway, Sainsbury’s etc) even want to alk to EFC after the exclusivity period fiasco?
I hold dear to some of the prvious comments about last minute dealings from DM and they’re quite right, he gets it right much more than he gets it wrong. Time is pressing though . . . . .
One thing I was glad about with the DK call in was I thought that all the name calling and in fighting with this great clubs fans would cease...it would appear I was wrong and that will be the greatest shame from this debacle as the damage seems to be somewhat irreperable.
Lets cut the arguing and get behind the team and the manager.....looks like they might need all the help they can get.....
FFS COYB!!!!
My big concern is what now for EFC? What can realistically be done about GP or even a new stadium? Will proposed enabling partners from the past (Bestway, Sainsbury’s etc) even want to alk to EFC after the exclusivity period fiasco?
I hold dear to some of the prvious comments about last minute dealings from DM and they’re quite right, he gets it right much more than he gets it wrong. Time is pressing though . . . . .
One thing I was glad about with the DK call in was I thought that all the name calling and in fighting with this great clubs fans would cease...it would appear I was wrong and that will be the greatest shame from this debacle as the damage seems to be somewhat irreperable.
Lets cut the arguing and get behind the team and the manager.....looks like they might need all the help they can get.....
FFS COYB!!!!
I’ve got some VERY mixed feelings about this, on the one hand leaving Goodison was always going to be awful but we desperately need a new stadium, personally I was for the move....just. A green light for Kirkby would have kept the momentum going for the club on top of the a steadily improving team, qualifying for Europe regularly and a new training ground. At this moment in time I really cant see us doing anything other than struggle next season - if we do and gates drop (also down to a recession and credit crunch) then how on Earth are alternative options going to present themselves to the club if our gates drop to 27-32,000 - no one else will be offering us a chance of a 50,000 stadium for a struggling team with low gates thats for sure, particularly with the rising price of steel - season ticket sales are down because of the economic situation and I cant see the big names coming in on the pitch. The new stadium would have kept the momentum going. Very sad in my opinion.
Absolutely fantastic news ! I’m made up.
Kirkby was never right for EFC. Maybe the yes voters can take a step back now and actually look at the facts behind this fiasco.
Any short term gain would have led to very long term pain. Yes, EFC needs to move forward but just because you are told you only have one option, this doesn’t mean it’s the right one.
Tesco have used EFC to attempt to get what they want and it hasn’t worked.
If it was such a great idea it wouldn’t have been called in. End of !
Kirkby was never right for EFC. Maybe the yes voters can take a step back now and actually look at the facts behind this fiasco.
Any short term gain would have led to very long term pain. Yes, EFC needs to move forward but just because you are told you only have one option, this doesn’t mean it’s the right one.
Tesco have used EFC to attempt to get what they want and it hasn’t worked.
If it was such a great idea it wouldn’t have been called in. End of !
Look at the facts the stadium in Kirkby was called in by the not meeting the criteria of the Government it failed on all 5 points! Nothing to do with KEIOC as well as they protested. IMO EFC management & Legal dept should have expected this outcome it would have been called in on one item it failed on all FIVE issues of conflict! The fact the CEO resigned was the realisation of this factor. Where we go from here with no plan B is crucial for all Evertonians, & if DM resigns that will be somewhat of a disaster too!
At this point what difference does it make whose fault it all is, what difference does it make whether Ian Ross was ’lying’ about transfer funds or just keeping his cards close to his chest? The question is, what happens now? We’ve got months or even years of uncertainty, no-one is going to invest in a club in limbo, our biggest asset is a manager and a handful of players who are probably not celebrating tonight, believe it or not. This decision doesn’t mean we’re in freefall, just slow and steady decline.
Lies are not a big problem. All business lie to their customers every day. We are lied to about a million and one of things. If we all got so precious about it there would be a revolution. That is capitalism, it is the media and its what keeps the business world going round. We all know we are being slowly fried to death by wi-fi, the Government know it, we don’t stop using it we accept it. I would rather be told a million small porkies by EFC because I know they only want to get to top of the league. They don’t want to kill everybody. I bet Man Utd tell lots of small lies all the time to their fans but they get over it because they are a great team
See where your coming from Neil, but the way it’s been going lately, it’s a bumpy road to go down. Saying we have funds, and it turns out were skint.
Ron, you old cynic!
Just heard that Bill has is about to pull 3 rabbits out of the hat...hang on, sorry
Sorry Ron, Bill’s just telling me the hat’s been stolen
Just heard that Bill has is about to pull 3 rabbits out of the hat...hang on, sorry
Sorry Ron, Bill’s just telling me the hat’s been stolen
Phil,
That’s all part of the act. Did you not hear Bill saying ’watch this space’ after MAKING the hat disappear.
Shit, it appears that the hat disappearing WASN’T part of the act! Ian Ross is reporting that the hat also contained approximately 20 million quid in used fivers. Oh Dear.
That’s all part of the act. Did you not hear Bill saying ’watch this space’ after MAKING the hat disappear.
Shit, it appears that the hat disappearing WASN’T part of the act! Ian Ross is reporting that the hat also contained approximately 20 million quid in used fivers. Oh Dear.
First bit of good news this summer.
Every so called benefit of "Desperation Kirkby" (hats off to Lyndon) has been exposed as a lie.
Can I just ask to all the doomongers...who the hell are these billionaires who were apparently queuing up to buy the club if we moved to Kirkby? Or have you swallowed another whopper from Kenwright?
DK was a joke from the beginning, built up on a pack of lies and the sooner it’s officially scrapped and the better.
Every so called benefit of "Desperation Kirkby" (hats off to Lyndon) has been exposed as a lie.
Can I just ask to all the doomongers...who the hell are these billionaires who were apparently queuing up to buy the club if we moved to Kirkby? Or have you swallowed another whopper from Kenwright?
DK was a joke from the beginning, built up on a pack of lies and the sooner it’s officially scrapped and the better.
neil p (i have to admit you are one of the few yes voters i choose to listen to). However, the reason this project has been called in is because it simply does not do what it says on the label. come on, if a 250k donation from bk to the labour party cant grease the wheels then the project must be fucked!!!
I too agree that we cant now compete with the big 3... but i also believe that we would be less likely to compete with the big 3 in that small town outside liverpool.
Think on... just because we are currently frying in a pan does not mean we should launch ourselves into the nearest fire!!!!
All us no voters are not all pissed off about not drinking on county road, but you no voters are so much up your own arses you cannot see the woods for the trees...yes this decision might mean we are fucked in the short term, but maybe when my children are my age they might still be supporting liverpool’s premier team...somwhere in our city, which does not double up as mcdonalds!!
I too agree that we cant now compete with the big 3... but i also believe that we would be less likely to compete with the big 3 in that small town outside liverpool.
Think on... just because we are currently frying in a pan does not mean we should launch ourselves into the nearest fire!!!!
All us no voters are not all pissed off about not drinking on county road, but you no voters are so much up your own arses you cannot see the woods for the trees...yes this decision might mean we are fucked in the short term, but maybe when my children are my age they might still be supporting liverpool’s premier team...somwhere in our city, which does not double up as mcdonalds!!
I amm truly delighted, but it’s not over yet.
Thise of you blaming the fans who opposed it, get real. The call-in has nothing to do with the stadium, and everything to do with trying to put a retail park half the size of Liverpool One in a town of 40,000 people.
ALL of the local authority objections concerned the retail aspect of the plan, and the methodology used to reach the conclusions drawn in the apllication.
The applicants now have the opportunity to present their case in front of a public inquiry. If they have a case, what’s the problem. Of course, everyone knows the figures for the retail park and the stadium don’t stack up - even the KMBC Planners thought that and the independent report they commissioned was so critical of the figures they refused to publish it or pass it on to the other authorities as previously promised.
So if you’re wringing your hands tonight about this news, stop. If it’s so good, it will survive. I suspect, however, that you all know it won’t stand up to scrutiny and this is the end.
Barry - so when you tighten your belts and cancel Sky, cut back on everything etc, do you move house and increase the mortgage, even if half the family are against doing it?
Thise of you blaming the fans who opposed it, get real. The call-in has nothing to do with the stadium, and everything to do with trying to put a retail park half the size of Liverpool One in a town of 40,000 people.
ALL of the local authority objections concerned the retail aspect of the plan, and the methodology used to reach the conclusions drawn in the apllication.
The applicants now have the opportunity to present their case in front of a public inquiry. If they have a case, what’s the problem. Of course, everyone knows the figures for the retail park and the stadium don’t stack up - even the KMBC Planners thought that and the independent report they commissioned was so critical of the figures they refused to publish it or pass it on to the other authorities as previously promised.
So if you’re wringing your hands tonight about this news, stop. If it’s so good, it will survive. I suspect, however, that you all know it won’t stand up to scrutiny and this is the end.
Barry - so when you tighten your belts and cancel Sky, cut back on everything etc, do you move house and increase the mortgage, even if half the family are against doing it?
One question that has not been answered is does the "call in" mean that we are still locked into the exclusivity agreement with Knowsley and Tesco. The worst thing that could happen Know is for the club to sit arround contemplating the situationfor ages leaving the club in limbo. A decision needs to be made asap to a)secure the
£ 78 million and start building the extra 6,000 seats and exec boxes on the park end then if affordable rebuilding Bullens Rd in two halves over two seasons. b) explore other options within the city. Perhaps these two options could be twin tracked so that Planning permision for (a) is gained whilst exporing the other options. If we are positive and with the support of LCC we may be able to convince all supporters, Moyes, and the top players that the call in was a blessing in disguise. BUT can we get out of the exclusivity agreement.
£ 78 million and start building the extra 6,000 seats and exec boxes on the park end then if affordable rebuilding Bullens Rd in two halves over two seasons. b) explore other options within the city. Perhaps these two options could be twin tracked so that Planning permision for (a) is gained whilst exporing the other options. If we are positive and with the support of LCC we may be able to convince all supporters, Moyes, and the top players that the call in was a blessing in disguise. BUT can we get out of the exclusivity agreement.
A Sad day as it proves how misguided this whole project is.
Moving on, I have in my possession an e-mail, from somebody who should know, that LCC will support Everton FC should they wish to expand Goodison. In fact the work to make this possible began some time ago.
He also tells me that they would happily look at a shared stadium in Stanley Park again.
Both of those options are more logical than Kirkby in the long run and now maybe they will get some proper consideration.
For all the scaremongers saying we have no money for players: BK was only on telly last night saying we’re in for Moutinho. He has also stated that we want to bring in more players before Aug 31. Ross has emphatically stated that the transfer budget is not linked to Kirkby. Either they are telling the truth or they are lying. If they are lying, you also can’t trust their motives for a Stadium move can you?
You can’y have it both ways.
Moving on, I have in my possession an e-mail, from somebody who should know, that LCC will support Everton FC should they wish to expand Goodison. In fact the work to make this possible began some time ago.
He also tells me that they would happily look at a shared stadium in Stanley Park again.
Both of those options are more logical than Kirkby in the long run and now maybe they will get some proper consideration.
For all the scaremongers saying we have no money for players: BK was only on telly last night saying we’re in for Moutinho. He has also stated that we want to bring in more players before Aug 31. Ross has emphatically stated that the transfer budget is not linked to Kirkby. Either they are telling the truth or they are lying. If they are lying, you also can’t trust their motives for a Stadium move can you?
You can’y have it both ways.
Graham
As far as i understand it the exclusivity period ended when a decision on call in had been made.
Everton can now walk away and if BK is any good he will now discuss the Plan B or C that they should have had in place to begin with.
As far as i understand it the exclusivity period ended when a decision on call in had been made.
Everton can now walk away and if BK is any good he will now discuss the Plan B or C that they should have had in place to begin with.
Dont worry chaps super Warren Bradley will list the viable options. Sorry roundabouts we can build on. I doubt we will here from him for a while. Today is a dark day. Gutted.
Henrik Thomsen......you need to go for some reading lesson!
One recalls the allegory from Charlie Wilson’s War, zen master says:
Once upon a time BK saved our club from the nasty Peter Johnson and everyone said how great it is. Zen Master says we will see. Then King’s Dock fell through and everyone said how terrible it was. Zen Master says we will see. Then David Moyes signed up and we finnished 4th and everyone was elated and said how great it was. Zen master said we will see. And DK gets called in and all the yes voters said how terrible it is that its the end of our football club and its premiership never mind european ambitions. Zen master said we will see!
And we will....so cheer up for fuck sake...I seem to remember the last summer we had like this we went on to finnish 4th!
DK was wrong for the club all along.
Once upon a time BK saved our club from the nasty Peter Johnson and everyone said how great it is. Zen Master says we will see. Then King’s Dock fell through and everyone said how terrible it was. Zen Master says we will see. Then David Moyes signed up and we finnished 4th and everyone was elated and said how great it was. Zen master said we will see. And DK gets called in and all the yes voters said how terrible it is that its the end of our football club and its premiership never mind european ambitions. Zen master said we will see!
And we will....so cheer up for fuck sake...I seem to remember the last summer we had like this we went on to finnish 4th!
DK was wrong for the club all along.
The no voters are right. DK will not stop us developing.
The transfer budget was decided by our investors at the end of last season and despite the news it remains at 3 million.
The transfer budget was decided by our investors at the end of last season and despite the news it remains at 3 million.
I’ve seen some bewildering postings on this thread tonight and some, in my opinion, are so selfish that they make me cringe.
I voted YES and if the vote came up again under the same structure and knowing what we all know I would vote YES again. Why? BECAUSE THERE IS (WAS) NO ALTERNATIVE.
But, for all the arguments on both sides I’ll wholly agree with at least one poster on here, Art Greeth.
"Oh! And regardless of where we play and what league we play in, I will continue to follow and support my club. No sulking tantrums or petty threats from me that I will withdraw my support for the club just because this decision has not gone the way I would have liked.
Forever Blue... "
I look back and remember reading post from so called Evertonians stating "I’ll never go to Kirkby, that’s me done with Everton" But I am with the Art Greeth school of thought. No matter where we are I am an Evertonian and I will always be an EVERTONIAN.
That, at least are what YES voters are.
I voted YES and if the vote came up again under the same structure and knowing what we all know I would vote YES again. Why? BECAUSE THERE IS (WAS) NO ALTERNATIVE.
But, for all the arguments on both sides I’ll wholly agree with at least one poster on here, Art Greeth.
"Oh! And regardless of where we play and what league we play in, I will continue to follow and support my club. No sulking tantrums or petty threats from me that I will withdraw my support for the club just because this decision has not gone the way I would have liked.
Forever Blue... "
I look back and remember reading post from so called Evertonians stating "I’ll never go to Kirkby, that’s me done with Everton" But I am with the Art Greeth school of thought. No matter where we are I am an Evertonian and I will always be an EVERTONIAN.
That, at least are what YES voters are.
Sad, sad day. I was undecided on Kirkby, but this has undoubtedly fucked us up. 2 years of work, millions invested and nothing to show for it. Unlikely to be any new players and I can see us plummeting.
Mike Cheshire I understand how you feel but the we have to face up to the reallity.I would imagine Bill Kenwright is talking to Dave Moyes right about now and advising him to look for a pastures greener move to a club that can meet his ambitions.Right about now I would imagine that Bill Kenwright will also move on and let someone else take the club over,any money you thought would be made avilable for transfers would also be going with him and then let Warren Bradley and the likes take over the club. It really is great to think we still have two clubs in the inner city for now.If one thinks you are going to attract investment to the club and come up with plan "B" I believe you are dead wrong. Finally I was in Chicago last week watching a poor game on top of that I had to witness 2 Everton idiots running on the pitch along with the foul language from the group of supporters we were unfortunatly seating by.
One burning question remains......
where the F*ck is Madden?
Has he DoctorWhod into chris kennedy?
And a personal thank you to Brian Waring, whose unwavering belief in this call-in happening has really helped through this depressing Summer. Cheers, Blue!
where the F*ck is Madden?
Has he DoctorWhod into chris kennedy?
And a personal thank you to Brian Waring, whose unwavering belief in this call-in happening has really helped through this depressing Summer. Cheers, Blue!
On the beach in MAGALUF with the whole of Majorca trying to throw him back into the sea.
And talking of regular contributors, does anyone else miss Marshy when the football’s not on? Anyone? Maybe him and Madden are away some sort of laugh a minute road trip.
As Joey said above, this scheme was called in on the basis of failing all five of the critieria for retail development.
It must have been obvious to all concerned that this call-in was a better than even bet.
On that basis, how can the scenario that an Inquiry would kill the project have been allowed to happen? Ordinary contigency planning would have suggested working out costs based on worse case, not best case, and given the probability of the call-in, it tells you just how stretched Everton are/were to get to the current £78M.
Tesco will now have to consider whether they will fund the inflation difference, but I suspect they already know that the Inquiry will not let them build sucha retail park. They will get their supermarket, and maybe a but of retail. Kirkby will get some much needed re-generation, but the clowns at Everton who had no Plan B and lied to the fans are back at square one.
Kenwright out.
Please.
It must have been obvious to all concerned that this call-in was a better than even bet.
On that basis, how can the scenario that an Inquiry would kill the project have been allowed to happen? Ordinary contigency planning would have suggested working out costs based on worse case, not best case, and given the probability of the call-in, it tells you just how stretched Everton are/were to get to the current £78M.
Tesco will now have to consider whether they will fund the inflation difference, but I suspect they already know that the Inquiry will not let them build sucha retail park. They will get their supermarket, and maybe a but of retail. Kirkby will get some much needed re-generation, but the clowns at Everton who had no Plan B and lied to the fans are back at square one.
Kenwright out.
Please.
All the no voters may be proved right who knows. I just fear that Earl and Green may be sitting on their yaght tonight thinking how are we gonna get our money back we put in because we had a new stadium and retail park to profit from. I hope they don’t say well we have Arteta, Yakubu, Lescott, Jagielka that could be sold and then we will get our money back. They are not EFC fans they are money men who want a return.
And plan B is? Yes' that's right' another chance to have a laugh at our expense. Our club really is a laughing stock or should I say the ones running (crawling) our club is! Where do we go from here? Will there be any light at the end of the tunnel? I thank Blue Bill from saving us from Peter Johnson but who's going to save us now? Desperate times ahead for us BLUES!
Maybe now Peter Kilfoyle who has presided over the total degeneration of Walton & Kirkdale areas since his succession as M.P. to Eric Heffer gets his finger out of his fat ARSE and realised that he should have been campaining for the regeneration of the area he represents. This of course would include a new Everton stadium along with the resultant regeneration. Also there were various European grants (objective one funding) available for regeneration fron E.U. during his time as M.P. fron E.U. Everton are critical to the Walton and Kirkdale areas and the surrounding businesses. This man is a disgrace to The Kirkdale and Walton constituency. The only possibility now is for the steady rebuild of G.P. I suspect thats what the majority wanted all along. In the mean time can Peter Kilfoyle be persuaded to swap seats with George Howarth the Kirkby M.P. who at least looks after the people he represents. Cards on the table time now also for LCC. Time to put proposals in public domain as to what they can and were proposing to do to keep EFC in our city.Also BK time to come clean also you screwed up big time on Kings Dock. All now need to come round the table and GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME.
There is no plan B. Nothing suitable has been offered in Liverpool, and we need additional, external investors. Either that means corporate backing or a billionaire individual.
It would have helped if there hadn’t been such obvious opposition from fans - well, I hope you have the answer and don;t expect those who have done their best to come up with viable options to give you what you want.
Fact One. Goodison can only be redeveloped by flattening a few hundred houses and moving a main toad. Won;t happen.
Fact two. No-one is going to invest in a new stadium for us unless there is benefit for them.
Fact three. No suitable or feasible sites in Liverpool city boundaries have been offered.
It would have helped if there hadn’t been such obvious opposition from fans - well, I hope you have the answer and don;t expect those who have done their best to come up with viable options to give you what you want.
Fact One. Goodison can only be redeveloped by flattening a few hundred houses and moving a main toad. Won;t happen.
Fact two. No-one is going to invest in a new stadium for us unless there is benefit for them.
Fact three. No suitable or feasible sites in Liverpool city boundaries have been offered.
2 down 1 to go! Now all we need is for the Bullshitter to stand down! I am sorry but the Kirkby development was always going to get called in as it went against all planning laws. The Club should of known this and probably did thats why it got clowns like Peter Kiljoy to lobby for it. The only sad thing is that all our transfer kitty would of just disappeared now even though the Club stated that it had nothing to do with Kirkby. Another fuck up to add to Bills long long list!
Neal, Welcome to a few months ago. Recently our share had risen to 78 Million and rising. What began as a "virtually free" stadium and the "deal of the century" has become something very different. And you still didn’t answer the question. The pro Kirkby lobby NEVER does. This was an ill-conceived plan from the start and the controversy stirred by it on several fronts, among Evertonians, residents, traders and so on shows how ill-conceived it is. There are too many people on the losing end of the deal for this not to go to a public enquiry. Look, cheer up. Maybe when all is said and done, we’ll end up in a piece of crap stadium in a blighted exurban wasteland walking through a carpet of broken glass and used condoms and skag needles to get to the match - and YOU WILL HAVE WON! Until then...
Fact 1 ) Regeneration DOES include flattening things such as houses and roads in order to make things better. The people rehoused get modern housing in a regenerated area.
Fact 2) a steady increase in capacity following success on the pitch will attract investment. Thats why I advocate a steady rebuild of G.P.
Fact 3) Aintree, The Loop no feasiblity studies done due to exclusivity clauses.
We all as Evertonians need to lobby these people to get round a table and GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME. We are supporters and Constituents. Some are shareholders and have a right to be heard.
Fact 2) a steady increase in capacity following success on the pitch will attract investment. Thats why I advocate a steady rebuild of G.P.
Fact 3) Aintree, The Loop no feasiblity studies done due to exclusivity clauses.
We all as Evertonians need to lobby these people to get round a table and GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME. We are supporters and Constituents. Some are shareholders and have a right to be heard.
There?s an old saying " ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE? and this definitley applies to DK. Something was not right about the whole deal from the start, but people who would benifit the most from Everton moving to Kirkby in conjunction with TESCO?S would have us believe it. That a PLC, the most powerful retailers in the UK would kindly help finance our football club, in return for taking up a corner of their new shopping complex. IS JUST TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.
Can it be just coincidence that our CEO jumped ship a week before the goverment announced that there will be a public enquiry on the project? Could he possibly be trying to distance himself from what will ensue now that the public will get the full facts on everything that involves this major project. And the amount of spin, distorted facts and downright LIES that have came from interested parties in trying to push this project through.
Reading the mail on this website £78million is the amount EFC have to find for there corner of utopia. Wembley, The London Olympics, The emirates stadium, The shites new stadium all have seen there cost spiral way beyond estimate after estimate. If the goverment had gave the ok to DK you could guarantee that £78 million would be just a fond memory, and nowhere near the final cost to EFC.
Expect TESCO?S to bail us out? Sorry we served our purpose helping this PLC get there feet under the table and having a monopoly on the shoppers of Kirkby. Good for them and mayby good for the community thats how big business works.
A fair amount of the for DK people on this website are crediting KEIOC and other protesters against DK with putting the whole project on hold with their protest. While other big business?s in the retail sector would be very concerned with the scale of the Kirkby redevelopment project, and there concern?s would have been voiced to people in the corridors of power.
So where does that leave EFC? Same place as it did at the end of last season: poor stadium, fine team, very good manager whom one day will all go replaced by better or worse. The only thing constant is the great support of OUR FOOTBALL CLUB who don?t have a plan B to fuck off when the shit hits the fan or in our case the fans. But will be there every season come what may. I don?t pretend to have the answers to our current problems but to reiterate what I wrote at the top of the page. ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE? and I believe the goverment think so too.
I’m not going to gloat over a situation which obviously causes many people pain.
I would note that among many problems that the DK presented was that it split the community, effectively, in half.
I happen to have voted no. I am an English teacher, not a businessman, and don’t feel that by voting no I should be expected to come up with a fully costed alternative. That’s the job of the people whose wages I help to pay.
In my view, Kirkby has nothing whatever to do with Everton. Why would I want to watch Kirkby Rovers no matter what colour their shirts are?
I would note that among many problems that the DK presented was that it split the community, effectively, in half.
I happen to have voted no. I am an English teacher, not a businessman, and don’t feel that by voting no I should be expected to come up with a fully costed alternative. That’s the job of the people whose wages I help to pay.
In my view, Kirkby has nothing whatever to do with Everton. Why would I want to watch Kirkby Rovers no matter what colour their shirts are?
I hope the mass of those ?Yes? voters who suddenly crept out of the woodwork yesterday to pillory certain sections of the Everton fanbase will take the time to read the facts regarding the DK call in, start here:
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2008/08/07/why-the-government-has-ordered-a-public-inquiry-into-everton-fc-s-proposed-move-to-kirkby-64375-21483013/
I think as you scroll through the reasons why a public enquiry was called, you will not see anything that alludes to objections from sections of the Everton family. If you also care to go to any Internet Search Engine and type in a combination of the following words ?Tesco, Application, Call, In, Objection, Planning? you will see that this is now a familiar tone for a large number of applications that Tesco submit for their developments. They are the Wal Mart of Britain and feel that they can ride rough shod through any planning application due to their size.
This is the government doing the job that they are paid to do. Guidelines and principles are in place in order to stop such major organisations simply building what they want where they want.
So as the facts are starting to now come out, I hope you will have the common decency to reflect on your knee jerk response to the news and no longer seek to lash out at sections of our family. This is an independent country and as such people views should be heard (such as the no-voters along with representations from any groups or individuals who have a view on this application ? yes even KEIOC) but please lets have some rational discussion here and stop the mud slinging at our fellow Blues.
We are clearly in deep financial shit at the moment as a club and I am very concerned by the events that are unfolding within our footballing giant on an almost daily basis. But again, please lets be rational about this. We are the 5th biggest club in the country?.still?.so lets start to have these discussions with some semblance of respect for each other. You may not get on with all of your family members and you may not agree with the views of a section of them, but remember Blue Blood is thicker than and Red Shite infected Water. We are better than this!
Stick together!
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2008/08/07/why-the-government-has-ordered-a-public-inquiry-into-everton-fc-s-proposed-move-to-kirkby-64375-21483013/
I think as you scroll through the reasons why a public enquiry was called, you will not see anything that alludes to objections from sections of the Everton family. If you also care to go to any Internet Search Engine and type in a combination of the following words ?Tesco, Application, Call, In, Objection, Planning? you will see that this is now a familiar tone for a large number of applications that Tesco submit for their developments. They are the Wal Mart of Britain and feel that they can ride rough shod through any planning application due to their size.
This is the government doing the job that they are paid to do. Guidelines and principles are in place in order to stop such major organisations simply building what they want where they want.
So as the facts are starting to now come out, I hope you will have the common decency to reflect on your knee jerk response to the news and no longer seek to lash out at sections of our family. This is an independent country and as such people views should be heard (such as the no-voters along with representations from any groups or individuals who have a view on this application ? yes even KEIOC) but please lets have some rational discussion here and stop the mud slinging at our fellow Blues.
We are clearly in deep financial shit at the moment as a club and I am very concerned by the events that are unfolding within our footballing giant on an almost daily basis. But again, please lets be rational about this. We are the 5th biggest club in the country?.still?.so lets start to have these discussions with some semblance of respect for each other. You may not get on with all of your family members and you may not agree with the views of a section of them, but remember Blue Blood is thicker than and Red Shite infected Water. We are better than this!
Stick together!
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I am just as concerned as you over the immediate future of the club but I see "Desperation Kirkby" (and desperate it really was) as a by-product of the malaise at Everton, not the solution. I truly believe that, irrespective of the short-term benefits on which the idea was sold by Wyness, moving to Kirkby on the terms currently on offer and to the stadium currently proposed poses a grave threat to the long-term future of our club. We disagree on that but if the only way we can get the club's current backers to put money into the club is because of the sideline benefits to be derived from a retail development, then they're the wrong kind of investors.
Update: In hindsight, I would be probably retract that last statement as it takes all kinds of investors to create a successful scheme. What I was trying to convey was that we want investors who believe in the club.