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I'm merely putting this idea up for debate and admitedly writing this more in anger than having thought it out rationally and I'm more interested to hear other peoples comments whether it is a good idea or just a waste of time, but shouldn't we as Everton fans start protesting to Kenwright about how badly he has run this club? Shouldn't we take a stand instead of taking the crap he deals us?
After reading the link on this site to the Mirror's article about Kenwright's failing as a chairman, it is obvious that under his "Leadership" Everton are going nowhere. The main part that got me fuming, is that the though Liverpool's retail as been developed substantially, Everton do not have a megastore in the city centre. Surely that is a given, even for someone like me who has no business nuance.
He has made his money in theatre and perhaps he lives his life in the fictional world and not in reality. I don't believe for one bit that Everton need a billionaire to break the top four. A multi-millionaire yes! But by saying a billionaire, Kenwright is merely making excuses as to why Everton will continue to struggle.
I do believe the man loves Everton, and that could be the problem. He loves Everton so much that he's not willing to give them up even though it's for the best.
Trevor Thompson, Posted 09/08/2008 at 14:45:15
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Michael Kenrick
Yes, wasn't there talk of a protest at the Blackburn game???
Given the call-in, and the impending and long awaited death of Desperation Kirkby, am I now free to wear my £58 new EFC home top to the Blackburn game? I'm a staunch no voter and would prefer to wear my blue colours on 16 August 08, but won't if that in any way, shape or form could be misconstued as my not being against a move away from England's first purpose built football stadia ? Goodison Park.
Is there still a White Shirt Protest planned?
Joeynkoo
The call to wear white was to protest against DK, an attempt to get a truer picture of what the majority of match going Evertonians really felt, it was always going to be peaceful, however, this has been an emotional week
Given the genuine heartache and disappointment the call in has caused a lot of fans, a protest may not be the best way to start the healing process
There have been no winners this week, perhaps its time for all Evertonians to show a united front and get the boys off to a flyer
I will be wearing blue
The call to wear white was to protest against DK, an attempt to get a truer picture of what the majority of match going Evertonians really felt, it was always going to be peaceful, however, this has been an emotional week
Given the genuine heartache and disappointment the call in has caused a lot of fans, a protest may not be the best way to start the healing process
There have been no winners this week, perhaps its time for all Evertonians to show a united front and get the boys off to a flyer
I will be wearing blue
Joey: why are paying 58 quid for a shirt? If your getting premier league badges and a name on the back then that?s your choice, you could show your loyalty and style sensibilities in less obvious ways for less dosh (if you make the decision to buy a shirt at the stated price that?s your choice, don?t moan about it afterwards).
I agree. Keep the agro with Kenwright away from matchday.
We all want the lads to win games - no doubt in my mind turmoil off the pitch = bad results.
We all want the lads to win games - no doubt in my mind turmoil off the pitch = bad results.
Surely, there needs to be some way that we can show that we aren’t happy about the way OUR club is being handled. Perhaps before or during the game isn’t the best Idea, but what about after?
I can’t stand the fact that we seem to just take whatever is given. We all moan about how are club is being run, but do nothing about it.
Would protesting be such a bad idea?
I can’t stand the fact that we seem to just take whatever is given. We all moan about how are club is being run, but do nothing about it.
Would protesting be such a bad idea?
For gods sake NO NO NO NO NO NO protest. We are not some mikey mouse bunch of knobheads, we are meant to be Everton fans. I am sure BK knows some people's feelings as he has responded to calls for investment in the last week by saying the club is up for sale to the right people.
An EGM has been called in which people will be given a forum to raise concerns about whatever it is they will be moaning about that particular day and it is right and proper that they should be allowed to raise any concerns they have but for gods sake don?t start dragging the name of the club into the gutter with protests and crap like that.
There is a time and a place for complaining but it is most definitely not before during or after a match. It is during the EGM or on the message boards and letters pages of the Echo or wherever you personally want.
If you really have a problem with the way the club is being run don?t give them your money by going to the match and leave the rest of us alone to support the players on the pitch and the management in the dugout. The only thing any protest will achieve is to unsettle the players and undo all the progress on the pitch that has been made over the last few years. The morale in the dressing room has been our driving force and they are together so just get behind them and see what the season brings.
An EGM has been called in which people will be given a forum to raise concerns about whatever it is they will be moaning about that particular day and it is right and proper that they should be allowed to raise any concerns they have but for gods sake don?t start dragging the name of the club into the gutter with protests and crap like that.
There is a time and a place for complaining but it is most definitely not before during or after a match. It is during the EGM or on the message boards and letters pages of the Echo or wherever you personally want.
If you really have a problem with the way the club is being run don?t give them your money by going to the match and leave the rest of us alone to support the players on the pitch and the management in the dugout. The only thing any protest will achieve is to unsettle the players and undo all the progress on the pitch that has been made over the last few years. The morale in the dressing room has been our driving force and they are together so just get behind them and see what the season brings.
The thing that I can’t understand is if Kenwright is insisting there IS money to spend, and Graeme Sharp is insisting there is too on the telly tonight (he must have some inside knowledge), then Kenwright is setting himself up for a massive fall, surely? So there MUST be some money to spend? In which case is golden boy, can’t do anything wrong Moyesie the one farting around here?
I think with our threadbare squad, Moyes is the ideal man this season because of his backs to the wall defensive tactics but the way he seems to have taken on this all powerful untouchable status this summer amazes me.
I think with our threadbare squad, Moyes is the ideal man this season because of his backs to the wall defensive tactics but the way he seems to have taken on this all powerful untouchable status this summer amazes me.
Dave Ush, just because supporters protest doesn?t mean they are knobheads. There are certain ways of protesting without being a knobhead. You actually suggested a good idea, though I feel that it would be met with derision, protesting with our pockets. But I do agree that in some respect perhaps EGMs may be a good way of telling BK exactly how we feel. Something needs to be done as year after year our club is being completely mis-managed by the guys at the top and I?m fed up.
until the Kings Dock development is reignited, and Adrian Heath is given back the number 8 shirt, I as a protest will refuse to eat any form of salad....
Come join the revelution my fellow blues....
Protests my fuckin arse.....
Come join the revelution my fellow blues....
Protests my fuckin arse.....
Yes lets have a protest. The trouble with this lot is that we are regularly near the top four and have actually been in it in recent years. It is really frustrating when you are so close. We need to get back to being relegation candidates again so we can have plenty of misery to wallow in.
Protest against what? Kenwright not having 300 million? How about a protest against Liverpool Shitty Council for making life difficult but not helping. RS are going to build on a truly valuable public park> There is little enough around the area for people without taking away more space. Everton are refused planning permission for housing at Bellefield which was not a public utility. Suprise Suprise!
Knowsley Council look favourably on Everton, it’s time some people realised who the allies are.
Protest against what? Kenwright not having 300 million? How about a protest against Liverpool Shitty Council for making life difficult but not helping. RS are going to build on a truly valuable public park> There is little enough around the area for people without taking away more space. Everton are refused planning permission for housing at Bellefield which was not a public utility. Suprise Suprise!
Knowsley Council look favourably on Everton, it’s time some people realised who the allies are.
Now that "Disastrous Kirkby" has been called in I would advocate letting the shareholders roast him at the EGM and getting behind the team as much as we can because they’re gonna need it.
Connie - I have tried hard to work out exactly what you said - but I know instinctively that you’re right.
Give em hell.
Give em hell.
I went into a JJB sport closing-down sale in Belfast last week. There was plenty of Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea stuff available. Nothing, I swear to God, from Everton. So, was it all sold out due to fantastic marketing or was there fuck all there to begin with?
How can you possibly start to say that BK has been a bad chairman?
The man re-mortgaged his own home to take the club away from Peter Johnson, showing how much he cares. From Day 1 he has said that he is prepared for the club to passed on to the right person (which in light of what's happening at Man City, you can understand).
Under his ownership, the club has gone from relegation battlers to having one finish in the top 4! That in itself is remarkable.
Through the fact that he had to remortgage his own house to finance the buying of the club from said Johnson proves that he has no money to invest in the club, but surely everyone agrees that the club is better in his hands than ?Mr? Johnson's!
You mentioned that we need a multi- millionaire to take over the club. Seriously, if you had £200 million would you look to invest in a club which cannot make decent money on a match day? So we either need a fool (which there aren't many of who have £200 million) or someone who has a profound love for the club & a spare £200 million to ?throw? away.
With regard to the Megastore, we should probably have one in the City Centre. But even through the Blue-ist tint-est glasses you must acknowledge that more people come to Liverpool to support the RedShite than do the Blue Heroes.
I'm in favour of us staying within the City boundaries, but to have a go at someone who is nothing but hard working & loyal for the cause seems unbelievable to me. We all love(d) Lee Carsley for his hard work on the football field. Mr Kenwright puts more hard work in, but behind the scenes, but for some reason he doesn't get any credit (no matter how good a job he?s done).
The man re-mortgaged his own home to take the club away from Peter Johnson, showing how much he cares. From Day 1 he has said that he is prepared for the club to passed on to the right person (which in light of what's happening at Man City, you can understand).
Under his ownership, the club has gone from relegation battlers to having one finish in the top 4! That in itself is remarkable.
Through the fact that he had to remortgage his own house to finance the buying of the club from said Johnson proves that he has no money to invest in the club, but surely everyone agrees that the club is better in his hands than ?Mr? Johnson's!
You mentioned that we need a multi- millionaire to take over the club. Seriously, if you had £200 million would you look to invest in a club which cannot make decent money on a match day? So we either need a fool (which there aren't many of who have £200 million) or someone who has a profound love for the club & a spare £200 million to ?throw? away.
With regard to the Megastore, we should probably have one in the City Centre. But even through the Blue-ist tint-est glasses you must acknowledge that more people come to Liverpool to support the RedShite than do the Blue Heroes.
I'm in favour of us staying within the City boundaries, but to have a go at someone who is nothing but hard working & loyal for the cause seems unbelievable to me. We all love(d) Lee Carsley for his hard work on the football field. Mr Kenwright puts more hard work in, but behind the scenes, but for some reason he doesn't get any credit (no matter how good a job he?s done).
Kenwright needs to go! Remortgaged his house... do me a favour! Which of his numerous houses did he have to remortgage??? Moyes has done a miraculous job as manager! Becuase of this Bill's numerous short-falls have been well less notable. But Everton are in the finincial situation they are in because of him! If he continues at this club then we are in the SHIT big style! A fan he might be but a crap Chairman he definitely is!
Michael Tracey
Do you think we should buy any players this week? I mean, if we are in money troubles then we shouldn’t, right?
In fact, if we are in the shit, shouldn’t we sell Arteta or someone? Isn’t that the RIGHT thing to do, what a good businessman would do in such a situation (and people jump on Kenwright for not making good business decisions).
Rob Hollis is right. People are angry that Kenwright doesn’t have billions and hasn’t given the club to one of the dozens of billionaires that are queing up outside to give us their money for nothing, something which must be true because people keep repeating it.
Do you think we should buy any players this week? I mean, if we are in money troubles then we shouldn’t, right?
In fact, if we are in the shit, shouldn’t we sell Arteta or someone? Isn’t that the RIGHT thing to do, what a good businessman would do in such a situation (and people jump on Kenwright for not making good business decisions).
Rob Hollis is right. People are angry that Kenwright doesn’t have billions and hasn’t given the club to one of the dozens of billionaires that are queing up outside to give us their money for nothing, something which must be true because people keep repeating it.
Makes me laugh how people can come on here and defend Billy Liar.
He has got out of jail over the last years bause Moyes has had us up the table.
If things are OK on the park then no one cares about backroom politics.
However considering we are SEVEN players down on last year ,(and the end of the season proved how light we are,) how the fuck can we compete this year.
Kenwrights fuck ups are growing all the time, and I dont appreciate being lied to.
He is an embarresment amd does not have the luxury anymore to refuse any investment offers from someone he dosnt deem has the Everton way at heart.
After all he himself is slowly strangling Everton to death.
He has got out of jail over the last years bause Moyes has had us up the table.
If things are OK on the park then no one cares about backroom politics.
However considering we are SEVEN players down on last year ,(and the end of the season proved how light we are,) how the fuck can we compete this year.
Kenwrights fuck ups are growing all the time, and I dont appreciate being lied to.
He is an embarresment amd does not have the luxury anymore to refuse any investment offers from someone he dosnt deem has the Everton way at heart.
After all he himself is slowly strangling Everton to death.
Simon
Well of course we should buy players this week! We should of bought them already and why haven’t we? Its not than none are available, so its either one of two things
1. Moyes is dithering
or
2. We dont have enough money.
I don’t really understand what you are getting at, seeing as though I stated that our financial woes are down to Billy so he is a crap Chairman and also a crap business man.
I, unlike you don’t let Bullshit excuses like we need a billionaire slide. Bill has no money after all and is just a fan (his words not mine)! So what I am saying is why doesn’t he just piss off and let someone competant to run the club.
Every year he has an excuse well they are becoming very thin I’m afraid, which id the reason that we are having EGM.
Wake up and smell the coffee Simon and realise that the day that Blue Bill steps aside will be a great day for the Club.
Well of course we should buy players this week! We should of bought them already and why haven’t we? Its not than none are available, so its either one of two things
1. Moyes is dithering
or
2. We dont have enough money.
I don’t really understand what you are getting at, seeing as though I stated that our financial woes are down to Billy so he is a crap Chairman and also a crap business man.
I, unlike you don’t let Bullshit excuses like we need a billionaire slide. Bill has no money after all and is just a fan (his words not mine)! So what I am saying is why doesn’t he just piss off and let someone competant to run the club.
Every year he has an excuse well they are becoming very thin I’m afraid, which id the reason that we are having EGM.
Wake up and smell the coffee Simon and realise that the day that Blue Bill steps aside will be a great day for the Club.
Thank you Alan! Just because we have done well, With little money I might add, doesn’t mean that BK is doing us any good. Like Alan as said it’s mainly because we’ve done well on the park that he’s survived this long. I could bet my bottom dollar that if we had been messing up on the park, BK would know about how disgruntled we are. yes he’s better than Johnson, but not much. I’m really not knocking the fact that he is Everton but he needs to let go. He’s even admited that he’s not that well business minded in football terms. Time to move on Bill. You did what was needed to get rid of Johnson but surely now it’s time to pass on the mantle to someone who knows how to run a football club as a business.
In regards to the more people support Liverpool comment. You sure you’re not on the board? Sounds very defeatest to me. Let’s move to Kirkby then. So at least we don’t have to live in the shadows of them lot across the park.
In regards to the more people support Liverpool comment. You sure you’re not on the board? Sounds very defeatest to me. Let’s move to Kirkby then. So at least we don’t have to live in the shadows of them lot across the park.
Michael:
It would have been very easy for Everton to have an extra £10m to spend this summer. You know those new contracts given to Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Osman and Johnson last year? If they hadn’t have been awarded, we’ve have saved well over £10m in wages last season and over this coming season. Good idea?
The truth is, Everton have a limited budget, in exactly the same way as every other club in the league except Chelsea and City. That budget goes on transfer fees AND wages, and in order to hold onto good players we have to pay good wages.
Therefore, every year that our team improves we pay more on wages and therefore less on transfers - and that can only change if we make the Champions League. This isn’t Championship Manager - there are real life budgets to be met
Your argument that he should just sell up is based on the idea that there are people queueing up to pump money into the club. If that’s true, how come Liverpool could only find owners who want to take money OUT of the club? It’s simply not true.
It would have been very easy for Everton to have an extra £10m to spend this summer. You know those new contracts given to Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Osman and Johnson last year? If they hadn’t have been awarded, we’ve have saved well over £10m in wages last season and over this coming season. Good idea?
The truth is, Everton have a limited budget, in exactly the same way as every other club in the league except Chelsea and City. That budget goes on transfer fees AND wages, and in order to hold onto good players we have to pay good wages.
Therefore, every year that our team improves we pay more on wages and therefore less on transfers - and that can only change if we make the Champions League. This isn’t Championship Manager - there are real life budgets to be met
Your argument that he should just sell up is based on the idea that there are people queueing up to pump money into the club. If that’s true, how come Liverpool could only find owners who want to take money OUT of the club? It’s simply not true.
Looks like the protest started yesterday, 11,000 fans, the rest can’t be bothered after seeing no new faces during the summer.
Simon
Seriosly mate Kenwright is a right tool. If you want to make excuses for his Bullshit then that's fine. Don?t try and make me out to be an idiot insuating that I live in a Championship Manager world. I live in the "we have signed no new players this summer" kind of world and we are in the shit!
And besides what has Johnson's wages got to do witn Everton now? We sold him so that £10.5mill plus his future wages we have to spend plus the McFadden money.
Also I?m not the one who has invested in something that I can?t really afford like Billy Bullshitter am I? Just becuase he realises that he is being detrimental to the Club he says he loves so much doesn?t make it okay!
That's the problem with Everton is there are too many fans (like yourself) who are willing to accept the crap that he comes out with!
Disagree with me thats fine but so not make excuses for the incompetent fool that runs our Club, he already has enough of them as it is!
Seriosly mate Kenwright is a right tool. If you want to make excuses for his Bullshit then that's fine. Don?t try and make me out to be an idiot insuating that I live in a Championship Manager world. I live in the "we have signed no new players this summer" kind of world and we are in the shit!
And besides what has Johnson's wages got to do witn Everton now? We sold him so that £10.5mill plus his future wages we have to spend plus the McFadden money.
Also I?m not the one who has invested in something that I can?t really afford like Billy Bullshitter am I? Just becuase he realises that he is being detrimental to the Club he says he loves so much doesn?t make it okay!
That's the problem with Everton is there are too many fans (like yourself) who are willing to accept the crap that he comes out with!
Disagree with me thats fine but so not make excuses for the incompetent fool that runs our Club, he already has enough of them as it is!
Sonny lad - I aint moaning about the price of my shirt - I am a consumer and made the decision to buy it. And I must say I'm very happy with my purchase too. I was simply asking whether the white shirt protest was still a goer. I think for now, there's no need to protest against DK because it's dead in the water, and perhaps in the interests of unity, a protest is not what us fans need. I?ll be in royal blue!
"Thats the problem with Everton is there are too many fans (like yourself) who are willing to accept the crap that he comes out with!"
Actually, I’m not basing anything on what Kenwright has said. You’ll notice that I was using facts obtained from sources other than Kenwright’s quotes, and that I never once used a single Kenwright quote anywhere.
I would turn your statement around, and say that the problem with Everton fans (like yourself) who are willing to accept the crap that pretty much anybody comes out with, as long as it meets your preconceptions.
What does Johnson’s pay rise have to do with anything? Well, we paid him more money last year than we would otherwise have done, probably around £500k, and he would have got some kind of signing on fee too. That’s money out that reduces our transfer budget. Why is it that the McFadden money counts as extra money in to the transfer kitty, but the new contracts given out do not count as money out?
Actually, I’m not basing anything on what Kenwright has said. You’ll notice that I was using facts obtained from sources other than Kenwright’s quotes, and that I never once used a single Kenwright quote anywhere.
I would turn your statement around, and say that the problem with Everton fans (like yourself) who are willing to accept the crap that pretty much anybody comes out with, as long as it meets your preconceptions.
What does Johnson’s pay rise have to do with anything? Well, we paid him more money last year than we would otherwise have done, probably around £500k, and he would have got some kind of signing on fee too. That’s money out that reduces our transfer budget. Why is it that the McFadden money counts as extra money in to the transfer kitty, but the new contracts given out do not count as money out?
The problem is simple: Kenwright must go, but how?
When the fat one across the park was threatened, the fans came out in his defence. What have we done to make our feeling heard, have we marched through our city, have we demonstrated outside Goodison, have we made our feelings known before, after or during a match, not just boo a shit performance? I think not.
Kirkby or not, new signings or not, new chairman or not, it's time fans stopped sitting on the fence. There seems to be three types of fans at Everton:
- he Everton Luvies who can see no wrong in what the Chairman, Board or Manager do, and who believe fairies live at the bottom of the garden.
- Then we have the Everton 3 wise monkeys, see fuck all, hear fuck all, and say fuck all, in other words ? what can we do, we haven?t got any money, the board will get it right eventually, get us another pie & pint will you.
- Then we have the Everton Visionaries, who can see a brighter future if only the powers that be would listen.
What is happening at our club is just not acceptable any more, and we should all be reminding the Chairman, Board and Manager that only your best is good enough. A very frustrated season ticket holder (and no I don?t want to go to Kirkby or be second best to any other club).
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