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I've just read the comment intro to the Daily post article. Utter rubbish!
I thought KIrkby was just 4 miles from Goodison and has a Liverpool postcode. To imply that the proposed move would result in loss of roots and support from people in Liverpool is garbage.
Everton's support would continue for generations even if the club was in Kirkby or Walton.
The only potential loss of support would be if the club suffers through lack of investment and results suffer and fans vote with their feet and stay away.
Ground move =investment =success=challenging top four. No ground move= no investment=no success.
The only ground move we can afford is the helping hand from Tesco in Kirkby.
Why Everton fans are consigning the club to a future of mediocrity is puzzling and staggering.
Ian Edwards, Posted 11/08/2008 at 20:55:45
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Ian,
Where’ve you been this past 12 months or more. The message is finally getting through. Tesco’s helping hand is earning us the cost of just ONE new stand (if the full retail enabler is realised) in a place less accessible than our current home and certainly far less steeped in our history. If we can gamble on all the identity, transport and poor quality stadium design issues and still have to pay for 3 new stands at Kirkby we can also do great things at our historic home, where we don’t need to build 3 new stands right now to more than match what Kirkby will offer in both short and medium term. Sorry to spoil your formula but...... How did pompey secure investment before their new ground? Would you say it has more to do with a receptive board, not one according to Tesco which is unprepared to dilute their shareholding?
Where’ve you been this past 12 months or more. The message is finally getting through. Tesco’s helping hand is earning us the cost of just ONE new stand (if the full retail enabler is realised) in a place less accessible than our current home and certainly far less steeped in our history. If we can gamble on all the identity, transport and poor quality stadium design issues and still have to pay for 3 new stands at Kirkby we can also do great things at our historic home, where we don’t need to build 3 new stands right now to more than match what Kirkby will offer in both short and medium term. Sorry to spoil your formula but...... How did pompey secure investment before their new ground? Would you say it has more to do with a receptive board, not one according to Tesco which is unprepared to dilute their shareholding?
Ormskirk has never been in Liverpool.
Kirkby has.
Try telling the likes of:John Conteh, Alan Stubbs, Phill Thompson ,Terry Mcdermott and Kevin Nolan, That they are not scousers.
Wirral Not THE Wirral.
Kirkby has.
Try telling the likes of:John Conteh, Alan Stubbs, Phill Thompson ,Terry Mcdermott and Kevin Nolan, That they are not scousers.
Wirral Not THE Wirral.
Eric sorry to burst your bubble on over half of your selections but John Conteh was born in Toxteth which isn’t and never has been a suburb of Kirkby and I’m certain Pinnochio and Kevin Nolan were born in Liverpool which still isn’t a suburb of Kirkby. Your point?
Ian, bit naffed of with DK now. But, just out of curiousity, how are Tesco giving us a helping hand? Are they giving us loads of cash? Ah, fuck it, can’t be arsed anymore.
Gavin
Dont be sure CHECK your facts. They were all born in Kirkby.
Dont be sure CHECK your facts. They were all born in Kirkby.
Eric Holland,
Who gives a shit where they think they were born, just because they’re famous means it will be right? Lots of people from Kirkby probably mistakenly think they are from Liverpool!
John Conteh WAS NOT born in Kirkby.
(Is there a hospital in Kikrby by the way?).
Such a stupid, futile, idotic argument - I don’t even care, but Mr Holland’s tone has annoyed me! :)
Who gives a shit where they think they were born, just because they’re famous means it will be right? Lots of people from Kirkby probably mistakenly think they are from Liverpool!
John Conteh WAS NOT born in Kirkby.
(Is there a hospital in Kikrby by the way?).
Such a stupid, futile, idotic argument - I don’t even care, but Mr Holland’s tone has annoyed me! :)
Eric it was called in because it failed on six points none as far as I know was named as dissatisfied fans. I think the Kirkby deal was poor before any mention of the boundary. Why should we foot the bill for Kirkby council functions? 100 a year would certainly cut the opportunity?s of all this extra income and then of course we will make a lot of cash from the use of the stadium for non football events when we cannot hold concerts etc or anything that might disturb the residents.
Tony Williams, all of the postcodes on Wirral have Cheshire postcodes ie CH65 and many others like it.
Saying ’The Wirral’ isn’t necessarily incorrect either. Its not a specific place, its an area covering two local councils.
Wirral, or the Wirral is equally okay.
Wirral, or the Wirral is equally okay.
Unbelievable, eighteen months of telling people that Kirkby symbolized an undeliverable plan for Everton, as it represented a major departure from established and agreed planning policies, which would see it called in and, irrespective of whatever is claimed by the applicants and their supporters, in the highly unlikely event that it ever proceeds to a very costly public inquiry, will be rejected due to those departures, not to mention the poorly presented transport plan and impact assessment. As has been mention by many posters the distance from Goodison is irrelevant, the important distance is that from the city centre, nine miles according to the RAC, if Everton have to move, perceived wisdom indicates that a move towards the city centre would be far more beneficial. To state ?the only ground move we can afford is the helping hand from Tesco in Kirkby? is highly misleading as it would only be true if the plan was deliverable, it wasn?t the day Tesco walked into Everton and it isn?t now. This scheme was so ridiculously ill thought out it could have been invented by Tom Cannon or Rogan Taylor, lets hope the new CEO brings a little more professionalism to the club, at least we?ll have someone working full time in the job.
I think we are all tired of this debate. Would Kirby have been good or bad? We will probably never know.
What I do know is that the cries of the professional scousers are painful. It is not suprising we fell so far behind Manchester because so many people fail to see anything outside of the city. They can?t even recognise other parts of Merseyside as their locality.
Sad.
What I do know is that the cries of the professional scousers are painful. It is not suprising we fell so far behind Manchester because so many people fail to see anything outside of the city. They can?t even recognise other parts of Merseyside as their locality.
Sad.
Rob
So do you think Rangers/ Celtic would be happy to move from Glasgow ?
Think either of the shefield clubs would want to move out of Sheffield ?
Villa or B/ham out of Brum ? Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, or West Ham out of London ?
Not an earthly, leaving aside the fact that it would be economical suicide, the fans of these clubs recognise who they are and where they belong
You see, were not much different from anybody else really, are we ?
By the way, Whats all this about falling behind Manchester ?
So do you think Rangers/ Celtic would be happy to move from Glasgow ?
Think either of the shefield clubs would want to move out of Sheffield ?
Villa or B/ham out of Brum ? Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, or West Ham out of London ?
Not an earthly, leaving aside the fact that it would be economical suicide, the fans of these clubs recognise who they are and where they belong
You see, were not much different from anybody else really, are we ?
By the way, Whats all this about falling behind Manchester ?
Ian Edwards: it isn’t the physical distance that matters, it’s the difference between where you ARE, should be and want to be...and from that where you don’t want or need to be.
Back in the day it was only 40 or so yrds from one end of Checkpoint Charlie to the other...so it isn’t just the distance.
There are just 2 types of people.
Those you don’t have to tell and those you can’t tell.
Back in the day it was only 40 or so yrds from one end of Checkpoint Charlie to the other...so it isn’t just the distance.
There are just 2 types of people.
Those you don’t have to tell and those you can’t tell.
Ian, you said: ?Why Everton fans are consigning the club to a future of mediocrity is puzzling and staggering.
Yet you support that awful design for a stadium in Kirkby??? I find that puzzling and staggering.
It?s a stadium with the worst type of end stands for atmosphere, a lack of options on expansion, a lack of character and a lack of parking. It was completely thoughtless in its design.
Yet you support that awful design for a stadium in Kirkby??? I find that puzzling and staggering.
It?s a stadium with the worst type of end stands for atmosphere, a lack of options on expansion, a lack of character and a lack of parking. It was completely thoughtless in its design.
Try and tell Steven Gerrard he isn’t a scouser!!
Kirkby is part of Liverpool's transplanted heart. I only oppose the move (and I would have voted Yes) because it seems the passion from the fans against the move is far greater than I am hearing from those for the move. The salient fact at the moment is that investment in the club has probably become very heavily leveraged. We owe whoever financed last years buys on the promise of a new stadium. This year we are probably paying the AJ and McFadden money to service debt.
Why can?t we all as Evertonion?s just raise the money and buy the club ourselves. The only reason we have no new players now is that the directors have no money. If Kirkby happened we probably could have competed with new investment. It is one thing to be defeated by Benfica or Florentina but if our demise is traced back to a bunch of self interested Walton fish and chippies and ale houses, We will really rue the day.
Why can?t we all as Evertonion?s just raise the money and buy the club ourselves. The only reason we have no new players now is that the directors have no money. If Kirkby happened we probably could have competed with new investment. It is one thing to be defeated by Benfica or Florentina but if our demise is traced back to a bunch of self interested Walton fish and chippies and ale houses, We will really rue the day.
Ground move =investment =success=challenging top four. No ground move= no investment=no success
What makes you so sure? Do you have a crystal ball.
Ian the club and Tesco and people like you are consigning the club to a future of mediocrity. 2nd best is not good enough.
What makes you so sure? Do you have a crystal ball.
Ian the club and Tesco and people like you are consigning the club to a future of mediocrity. 2nd best is not good enough.
Ian, you’re taking the piss aren’t you? This is a wind up, right?
If not, I wonder if you’d be interested in buying a hardly used set of encyclopaedia? It’s not a world class set admittedly, but it’s decent mid-range and the knowledge you absorb from it will make you rich, successful and more attractive to women.
I say that because if you believe "Ground move =investment =success=challenging top four" as you suggest, you’d obviously believe anything.
If not, I wonder if you’d be interested in buying a hardly used set of encyclopaedia? It’s not a world class set admittedly, but it’s decent mid-range and the knowledge you absorb from it will make you rich, successful and more attractive to women.
I say that because if you believe "Ground move =investment =success=challenging top four" as you suggest, you’d obviously believe anything.
I am amazed and embarrassed that since the call in so many ?Evertonians? have started to promote DK with such unresearched, wholely swallowed propaganda, as justification. None, including Tom Cannon, seem to have actually read any of the DTZ, Tesco planning aplication, the KMBC documents, funding, yet still spout fantasy about the benefits to EFC.
Could I ask those angry about the call in , to spend an hour or so going through ToffeeWeb, Kipper etc and reading the document links showing the true reality of Desperation Kirkby, and then come back and produce instances showing the benefits. Otherwise what were once known as knowledgeable Evertonians are being diluted by ignorant sheep.
Could I ask those angry about the call in , to spend an hour or so going through ToffeeWeb, Kipper etc and reading the document links showing the true reality of Desperation Kirkby, and then come back and produce instances showing the benefits. Otherwise what were once known as knowledgeable Evertonians are being diluted by ignorant sheep.
Everton as a district is in dire need of re-generation. They look on enviousley at the millions spent on the City Centre and Liverpool One. As much as we castigate the Everton board for thier lack of vision and ideas, it must not be forgotten that the City Council should hold thier heads in shame at a missed opportunity. If the propposed move to Kirkby did materialise then Liverpool would become a one team city. It already is!!! Evertons profile ( or lack of it) in this city is in part the fault of the city council. The city council should have been pulling out all the stops to ensure that not only do Everton remain within the City bounderies, but use the opportunity to develope a stadium in the district which has given us our name.....Not our spiritual home as some might suggest...we have never played a competative game of football in the Everton, and at the same time help with the re-generation of the area. There are many sites within the district which would be suitable. Where theres a will. theres a way!!
Christopher, have you been to Everton? The vast majority of it is on a slope/hill, BROW. From St Domingo Road down to the valley, down to Netherfield Road, down to Robson Street.
Not rocket science. Just re-iterates my point in the previous post. LCC are under no obligation, Everton FC have to show willing, and after all the snide comments and refusals to meet, let alone the ?exclusivity deal with a rival council?, I could understand LCC being reticent in any dealings with EFC.
Not rocket science. Just re-iterates my point in the previous post. LCC are under no obligation, Everton FC have to show willing, and after all the snide comments and refusals to meet, let alone the ?exclusivity deal with a rival council?, I could understand LCC being reticent in any dealings with EFC.
Ian Marshall, what are you on?
Ground move =investment =success=challenging top four. No ground move= no investment=no success. PROVE IT! Where is the basis or evidence? There is none and that is only one point of several that surprised me in the stupidity of your post.
We have surrendered all city centre retailing presence already to LFC and you want us to do so wholesale...?
We would move away from a fanbase of 55% (allegedly) of the city that is densely populated and towards a greatly diluted fanbase (dominated by rugby, not football) where we would compete with neighbours including Man U, Man City, Bolton, Blackburn, Wigan, Preston NE, et al. This statement is based upon KW’s assertion that there was a greater population for potential support in moving away from the city.
Do you see what I did there? It is called qualifying an argument with substantive fact. Try it sometime you sanctimonious buffoon - "Why Everton fans are consigning the club to a future of mediocrity is puzzling and staggering." See, I just did it again. It’s really easy!
Ground move =investment =success=challenging top four. No ground move= no investment=no success. PROVE IT! Where is the basis or evidence? There is none and that is only one point of several that surprised me in the stupidity of your post.
We have surrendered all city centre retailing presence already to LFC and you want us to do so wholesale...?
We would move away from a fanbase of 55% (allegedly) of the city that is densely populated and towards a greatly diluted fanbase (dominated by rugby, not football) where we would compete with neighbours including Man U, Man City, Bolton, Blackburn, Wigan, Preston NE, et al. This statement is based upon KW’s assertion that there was a greater population for potential support in moving away from the city.
Do you see what I did there? It is called qualifying an argument with substantive fact. Try it sometime you sanctimonious buffoon - "Why Everton fans are consigning the club to a future of mediocrity is puzzling and staggering." See, I just did it again. It’s really easy!
Conteh was born in Toxeth
Nolan was born in Liverpool
Neither were born in Kirkby and before anyone starts I AM SURE......
Nolan was born in Liverpool
Neither were born in Kirkby and before anyone starts I AM SURE......
So, where is this alternative?
Fact is that there isn’t one. Nothing has been offered, and anything which would be affordable needs investment alongside it.
I live in Waterloo, but apparently south Sefton doesn’t count as Liverpool either even though we are nearer to the city centre than Speke!
Fact is that there isn’t one. Nothing has been offered, and anything which would be affordable needs investment alongside it.
I live in Waterloo, but apparently south Sefton doesn’t count as Liverpool either even though we are nearer to the city centre than Speke!
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