The Mail Bag
Sources & Reliable Sources!
Comments (30)
I am in the same boat as most Evertonian's that we are desperate for news about our club. What gets me down more than anything is that when regular users of this site posting comments etc feel the need to post duff information on about so called players arriving for medicals. If my mate said to me a particular player was arriving at Finch Farm today for a medical I'd say "I hope so" and maybe mention it to another mate and thats it.
I see that as pure speculation and guessing and not as a reliable source. So why do people out there like to post there crap information on here and when they have people questioning their source they wont give them up. Then, when the time comes when a player is men to sign or DK is to be called in they go missing??
Andy Fredson, Posted 13/08/2008 at 14:36:27
Comments
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
Andy, I for one have put rumours on this site and do so with information from a good source. Like all rumours, some may be true some not so. If this is how you feel, maybe you should avoid this website.
Hi Vinny,
What happened on Monday mate with Moutinho and Mbia?
What happened on Monday mate with Moutinho and Mbia?
Not even the tabloids have linked us with a player for the last few days. Only, us and Man Utd have failed to buy a player so far but they have a greater squad than us. Every other premiership side have signed a minimum of two players.
Looking around us with Villa, Portsmouth, Man City I can see us finishing 10th at best with poor runs in the Carling, FA and UEFA cup. I don’t want to sound all doom and gloom but this has to be one of the worst pre-seasons in recent times.
Our first 5 games are all winable on paper with our fully fit squad. Imagine that, 5 games, gone 15 points without any 3 new signings bedding in properly. We can all dream!
Looking around us with Villa, Portsmouth, Man City I can see us finishing 10th at best with poor runs in the Carling, FA and UEFA cup. I don’t want to sound all doom and gloom but this has to be one of the worst pre-seasons in recent times.
Our first 5 games are all winable on paper with our fully fit squad. Imagine that, 5 games, gone 15 points without any 3 new signings bedding in properly. We can all dream!
Andy, great post, I fully agree with you on this point.
Although I welcome any post on here about players coming, I do feel that 99.9% of the ’Sourced’ information is just pure bullshit.
Vinny Bird - I don’t think Andy is saying that you are a liar, I think what he is saying is that people put allsorts of shite on here about things they know from a ’source’, but then clam up when asked where there info came from.
I understand if people do have genuine sources and they are told things by these sources, that they want to come on here and share their excitement with fellow blues, and rightly so, but be honest, how many of the statement actually end up being true????
Even yours the other day never came to fruition Vinny. Thus meaning that your ’good source’ can’t be that reliable can it????
To tell Andy he should stop using the site because he gets pissed off by all the bullshit ’reliable source’ rumours is not only harsh but also irrelevant as this site is called ’Toffeeweb’ not ’Toffee Rumour Web’.
It is all well and good putting things you have heard on here but I feel that most people just add the word ’Source’ so that if by some form of miracle the signing does come off then they can say ’ I told you so’.
Most of it is guesswork and hearsay (and wishful thinking).
Although I welcome any post on here about players coming, I do feel that 99.9% of the ’Sourced’ information is just pure bullshit.
Vinny Bird - I don’t think Andy is saying that you are a liar, I think what he is saying is that people put allsorts of shite on here about things they know from a ’source’, but then clam up when asked where there info came from.
I understand if people do have genuine sources and they are told things by these sources, that they want to come on here and share their excitement with fellow blues, and rightly so, but be honest, how many of the statement actually end up being true????
Even yours the other day never came to fruition Vinny. Thus meaning that your ’good source’ can’t be that reliable can it????
To tell Andy he should stop using the site because he gets pissed off by all the bullshit ’reliable source’ rumours is not only harsh but also irrelevant as this site is called ’Toffeeweb’ not ’Toffee Rumour Web’.
It is all well and good putting things you have heard on here but I feel that most people just add the word ’Source’ so that if by some form of miracle the signing does come off then they can say ’ I told you so’.
Most of it is guesswork and hearsay (and wishful thinking).
Vinny Bird, you do not have a good source. No offence intended its just a fact in my opinion!
Vinny Bird,
Your "good source" told you that Moutinho and M’BIa (currently in China for the olympics) were having medicals early this week,
Well they didn’t. So your good source clearly ain’t that good, mate.
What happened ? Surely you must have asked him/her why there’s been no news since then ?
Your "good source" told you that Moutinho and M’BIa (currently in China for the olympics) were having medicals early this week,
Well they didn’t. So your good source clearly ain’t that good, mate.
What happened ? Surely you must have asked him/her why there’s been no news since then ?
Mike, I posted earlier on this week, I didn't put the one on about M'Bia. the Moutinho deal like I said earlier this week seemingly we agreed a fee with Sporting, then offerd to pay in installments; they said no to that.
Well, when the anouncement regarding DK was finally made I was tempted to come on here and say "I told you so"....
I had been the one that had taken a fair bit of stick (not that it bothered me) for syaing that I’d been told from a club source etc etc
I say I was tempted to come on and crow, but I didn’t, and for good reason, becuase I was pretty gutted at what "my source" told me further.
Just don’t expect GREAT things any time soon becuase I’VE got more money to spend than the club.....
Oh and watch out for Bully in Spain after all?
I had been the one that had taken a fair bit of stick (not that it bothered me) for syaing that I’d been told from a club source etc etc
I say I was tempted to come on and crow, but I didn’t, and for good reason, becuase I was pretty gutted at what "my source" told me further.
Just don’t expect GREAT things any time soon becuase I’VE got more money to spend than the club.....
Oh and watch out for Bully in Spain after all?
I hope your source is wrong Brian but if not then it has knocked me even more sick than I feel right now.
Brian, please elucidate....how have we got no dosh, it baffles me. Vinny Bird, so is the Moutinho deal off, or just on the rocks? As for M’Bia - I think he’s making all the right noises - but we wont bag him until after the Olympics (thats just a guess, I dont have sources *sniff*)
What is the latest info, Brian?
What I would appreciate is if the regular poster quoting a "good source" then explains why the hell their prediction didn’t come true. That’s what irritates me the most - when someone says we’re signing this player tomorrow then nothing happens and that someone then disappears off the radar for 2 weeks. Mark Cassin and Alan Wilks are two regular contributors who are both guilty of this.
So thanks Vinny for at least having the balls to come back and explain what happened.
Brian Williams, I was one who backed your comments about DK. If your prediction is true about us not having any money, where the hell has the AJ money gone? And where the hell has the money we bid for Ramsey gone? We should therefore have at least £15mil to spend. I honestly don’t think Moyes would have let AJ go if he wasn’t seeing that money.
So thanks Vinny for at least having the balls to come back and explain what happened.
Brian Williams, I was one who backed your comments about DK. If your prediction is true about us not having any money, where the hell has the AJ money gone? And where the hell has the money we bid for Ramsey gone? We should therefore have at least £15mil to spend. I honestly don’t think Moyes would have let AJ go if he wasn’t seeing that money.
Vinny Bird, stick to the sources that you really know mate, ie that is HP and Ketchup sauce.
Am I the only one who does not give a monkeys where Bully is? Brian Williams, please dont get this the wrong way, I think the club has got some money infact I think they have more to spend than you infact I have it from a reliable scource that this is true, either way its 50/50 im willing ( at those odds) to come on here and say it in exchange for some sort of kudos when im proved right!!!!
Thanks Nick, I have to say I am more inclined to believe your ’Source’ than Brians ’Source’, PURELY BASED ON FACT.
We bid a lot of money for Moutinho - FACT.
We bid for Alan Smith - FACT.
We bid for Aarron Ramsey - FACT.
We sold Andy Johnson to Fulham and recieved close to £10million up front - FACT
These facts considered, we MUST have money to spend else we would have been found out big time if any of our bids were accepted as we would have had to pull out which we have not had to do.
The only reason the transfers never came off were down to third party decisions.
WE MUST HAVE MONEY TO SPEND, I just wish we could bloody spend it, and soon!
We bid a lot of money for Moutinho - FACT.
We bid for Alan Smith - FACT.
We bid for Aarron Ramsey - FACT.
We sold Andy Johnson to Fulham and recieved close to £10million up front - FACT
These facts considered, we MUST have money to spend else we would have been found out big time if any of our bids were accepted as we would have had to pull out which we have not had to do.
The only reason the transfers never came off were down to third party decisions.
WE MUST HAVE MONEY TO SPEND, I just wish we could bloody spend it, and soon!
Seemingly the man (we all know who) who’s "bailed" Billy Boy out previously is getting a little shy of digging deep again...and wants some "return" on previous handout/s.
Moyes had no say in Johnson going, simple as that..... he was "told" he’s going.
...and once again Everton are trying to do £30m worth of transfer business with between £8m and £12m.
Oh, and Moyes still hadn’t signed that contract......and MAY not.
Moyes had no say in Johnson going, simple as that..... he was "told" he’s going.
...and once again Everton are trying to do £30m worth of transfer business with between £8m and £12m.
Oh, and Moyes still hadn’t signed that contract......and MAY not.
Nick Marsh..I honestly couldn’t give a monkeys about kudos, really.
I was told in good faith by "an employee" of the club about DK, and not a lowly (no offence) steward or dinner lady either....
I’ve since been told more by the same person....
That aside, do ANY of us really believe that the delay in signings is down to ANYTHING other than a lack of dosh.....would ANY club leave it this late unless they had no choice?
Course they wouldn’t !
I was told in good faith by "an employee" of the club about DK, and not a lowly (no offence) steward or dinner lady either....
I’ve since been told more by the same person....
That aside, do ANY of us really believe that the delay in signings is down to ANYTHING other than a lack of dosh.....would ANY club leave it this late unless they had no choice?
Course they wouldn’t !
BRIAN WILLIAMS QUOTE
"Just don?t expect GREAT things any time soon becuase I?VE got more money to spend than the club....."
Brian, tut tut, so you are saying you have more than £12million burning a hole in your back pocket????
Help us out and but us a player or two with it will ya!
If not then I wouldn’t mind taking the Mrs and the kids away for a couple of weeks Mr Secret Millionaire.
I kinda believe the Johnson thing although I think Moyes gave up on AJ when he pulled out of the friendly game, I think it was the boards initial suggestion to sell him.
Obviously then we do have SOME cash, good news anyway!!!!
"Just don?t expect GREAT things any time soon becuase I?VE got more money to spend than the club....."
Brian, tut tut, so you are saying you have more than £12million burning a hole in your back pocket????
Help us out and but us a player or two with it will ya!
If not then I wouldn’t mind taking the Mrs and the kids away for a couple of weeks Mr Secret Millionaire.
I kinda believe the Johnson thing although I think Moyes gave up on AJ when he pulled out of the friendly game, I think it was the boards initial suggestion to sell him.
Obviously then we do have SOME cash, good news anyway!!!!
Sporting rejected our Moutinho bid.
Newcastle stopped Smith leaving.
Rennes said M’Bia is going nowhere.
Ramsey chose Arsenal.
We have not left it late to actually TRY to buy the players Moyes clearly targeted, we have left it late to buy ANY OTHER players.
Newcastle stopped Smith leaving.
Rennes said M’Bia is going nowhere.
Ramsey chose Arsenal.
We have not left it late to actually TRY to buy the players Moyes clearly targeted, we have left it late to buy ANY OTHER players.
Brian
we all know how the transfer thing works so much down and some next year and then a small amount on installments.
Can you say if we have 8 to 12 million to put down or 8 to 12 million to commit if you see my point.
I kinda figured that Green / Earl might get cold feet once the golden goose was killed and with continuous operating losses who can blame them.
we all know how the transfer thing works so much down and some next year and then a small amount on installments.
Can you say if we have 8 to 12 million to put down or 8 to 12 million to commit if you see my point.
I kinda figured that Green / Earl might get cold feet once the golden goose was killed and with continuous operating losses who can blame them.
Newcastle couldn’t ’stop’ Smith leaving. Anyone will tell you that if a player really wants to leave - then they will do so.
+1 karma to Mr Brian Williams.
So we’ll be focusing on the kids then, and maybe loan deals, or freebies. Where’s me boots?
So we’ll be focusing on the kids then, and maybe loan deals, or freebies. Where’s me boots?
...well semingly BK is trying to woo his sugar daddy into further backing with readies, but nothing’s forthcoming as yet and you can understand why. Nobody wants to throw good money after bad.
That’s why Johnson went, to provide SOME money to spend.
To be honest the more I hear the more pissed off I get at our situation. The best chance in years to progress and it’s all gone to ratshit
That’s why Johnson went, to provide SOME money to spend.
To be honest the more I hear the more pissed off I get at our situation. The best chance in years to progress and it’s all gone to ratshit
What I am confused about is why are we raising cash by selling players (behind Moyes’ back allegedly). Let’s sell Lescott and Arteta, that should raise some cash. Is it me or does this defeat the whole bloody purpose of raising cash to buy players, by selling players for said cash???
Even more confusing is the cash doesn’t appear to be pumped back into players! How much do we owe sugar daddy?? Did we borrow for something other than players, like a yacht, theatre or something in BK’s living room?????
Even more confusing is the cash doesn’t appear to be pumped back into players! How much do we owe sugar daddy?? Did we borrow for something other than players, like a yacht, theatre or something in BK’s living room?????
Moutinho -- I was told from his sponsor that they had re-negotiated his sponsorship due to his transfer to Everton.
He said that when that happens the deal is basically done. Since then all I’ve been told is what VInny said -- We are negotiating over the installments.
Nothing off -- all ongoing.
Someone else told me it was done a week or so ago which is obviously rubbish.
"Watch this space" I suppose
He said that when that happens the deal is basically done. Since then all I’ve been told is what VInny said -- We are negotiating over the installments.
Nothing off -- all ongoing.
Someone else told me it was done a week or so ago which is obviously rubbish.
"Watch this space" I suppose
Thanks Mark, that’s all I want to hear is if something hasn’t gone to plane, then why not?
Brian,
you said Moyes had no choice in the matter when it came to selling AJ. BULLSHIT mate.
It had nothing to do with finances. Moyes himself said AJ wanted to leave. For months and months it had been reported he was unsettled.
I’m sure moyes wanted him to stay but he didn’t want to.
Had nothing to do with the club wanting the £10 million
you said Moyes had no choice in the matter when it came to selling AJ. BULLSHIT mate.
It had nothing to do with finances. Moyes himself said AJ wanted to leave. For months and months it had been reported he was unsettled.
I’m sure moyes wanted him to stay but he didn’t want to.
Had nothing to do with the club wanting the £10 million
Other than malicious posts, rumours posted in "good faith" liven up the forums. Its surely up to the reader how seriously they take these posts. To avoid the anxiety - stick to the TW Editors oft-quoted line - which is wherever you read a rumour its worth containing your excitement until the player is paraded in a blue shirt. I am as desperate as the next Blue to see signings, but given our history with late snags, even the nailed-on deals bring on a level of anxiety until the player is signed (any one remember Muller, the World-Cup winning Brazillian?)
So keep any "bona-fide" rumours (an oxymoron surely) coming please
So keep any "bona-fide" rumours (an oxymoron surely) coming please
Brian,
In what context did you write
"Oh and watch out for Bully in Spain after all?"
What do you expect from him?
In what context did you write
"Oh and watch out for Bully in Spain after all?"
What do you expect from him?
Steve Collins: You’ve just contradicted yourself in about three lines there mate.
Quote:you said Moyes had no choice in the matter when it came to selling AJ. BULLSHIT mate
Quote: I?m sure moyes wanted him to stay but he didn?t want to.....
...and it had nothing to do with the club wanting the £10m????
Grow up Steve and stop kidding yourself.
Quote:you said Moyes had no choice in the matter when it came to selling AJ. BULLSHIT mate
Quote: I?m sure moyes wanted him to stay but he didn?t want to.....
...and it had nothing to do with the club wanting the £10m????
Grow up Steve and stop kidding yourself.
© ToffeeWeb
-sm.jpg)
-sm.jpg)
-sm.jpg)
That leaves us with a choice: allow or disallow such posts. Of course, we have no idea whether they're true, especially if it is of the "my mate who is a player tells me" or "I have been reliably informed" variety. Our inclination is to allow such posts to continue, provied they are from a regular poster, who provides their full name, and a valid e.mail address. That way, at least we can take some action if the individual is just on the wind up.
Incidentally, that's one of the reasons why we insist on posters identifying themselves properly and consistently - first and last name, no nicknames, and a valid working e.mail address. It helps us to weed out the ones who are just posting shite, and to ban them permanently. [BTW, please don't use celebrity names, however amusing you think it is; it's a quick way to get banned.] The more of you that cooperate, the better the quality of the posts and the more valid the discussion ? provided you actually do want to discuss things and not just slag off other users!
But back to your point, which was regulars posting duff information. The explanation usually given is that they heard it from someone they trust, but that the situation changed (as things do in football) and the prediction turned out not to be true. But at what point was it really duff information?
It's only frustrating because you BELIEVE it's true. Mainly because you want to believe it's true. How about this. Read it; say "Hmmmm, intersting... thanks, but I'll wait until I see it from a reputable source." That's how everything in our Rumour Mill should be treated. And that's how I now deal with all I read in the Liverpool Echo and Daily Post because they have proved themselves to be increasingly unreliable.