Diversion Tactics: This article’s been taken from the NSNO site. Billy Bullshitter’s upto his tricks.


In an attempt to take people’s minds off the ridiculous situation Everton find themselves in, Bill Kenwright has personally asked Duncan Ferguson and Kevin Campbell to appear at half-time tomorrow afternoon.

’Super Kev’ had this to say about the crisis at Goodison:

"I understand Everton fans are frustrated at the moment with the lack of signings but they finished 5th last season and had a great run in 2 cup competitions, they should not be so downhearted.

"I am sure David Moyes will bring in players as and when he can."

Wonder if they’ll bring their boots?...

I am flicking through the various sports sites and seeing the likes of Pompey strengthen further, as have Villa, Man City, Newcastle, Spurs etc.... Pompey have just signed Jerome Thomas out of no where, on a loan. I know he is now world beater but he is quick and effective and can do a job. Pompey are selling Mendes to rangers for £3m and he is a quality centre mid. Great passer and has a lethal shot, with a good engine.

WHY THE FUCK ARE WE NOT AFTER THESE TYPES OF PLAYERS???

As I said, ideally, we would get the Moutinho's, Arshavins etc etc but beggars can't be choosers! We have signed absolutly no one..... In 3 months we have lost player after player and not replaced one of them. The "we are waiting for the right players" bollocks isn't gonna wash anymore. It's a fucking disgrace.

I cannot believe that our club has allowed this to happen following last season..... Something is seriously wrong and its about time things got sorted. We have a right to know what's going on and there should be a protest!

Kenwright can fuck off, he's as bad as Wyness and Moyes needs to sign his new deal or do one as well. Not exactly a great advert for the club is he!! "Sign for us, but I don't want to!" It really is beyond belief.

Forget the UEFA Cup, we have a squad capable of a mid table finish in the EPL at best, providing no one else gets injured, even our academy in short of players..... BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL IN OUR FUCKING FIRST 11!!!

Just watched the Everton TV interviews with Jagielka & Lescott, and the mood among the players seems to be the same as ours - not one smile from either player. There also seems to be a distinct lack of Moyes's pre-match press call, which worries me.

I dont think I am alone in sensing something terrible going on at Everton, and I am not encouraged that the EGM will not be until after the window shuts.

Any chance of some updates from the club? I doubt it

I can't keep it up any longer, I did what Uncle Bill asked me to do, but I cant find anything. Is any one else tired of "watching this space"

I hate to be the one to break it to you Chris but Thatcher won.

Am I the only one who finds bringing politics into a football discussion just a little bit distasteful.

COYB’s

James in typical Bullshit Billy’s double speak he meant "watch the space" on the pitch where we havent got the first team players any more.

’Watch this space’. He meant Big Dunc and Super Kev are coming back on Saturday. Without their boots...

apparently according to the bbc everton are close to signing tiago cause he is impressed with everton chairman BK.

@Adam Bennett, I’m impressed with BK, for bringing Big Dunc and Super Kev back. This is a masterstroke. Like he said to the fans last week at the PSV game, ’where all in for a suprise’. This is the suprise. How many goals do you think they’ll score??

Albert Poissant trying telling a scouser that Thatcher won , we fought her just like we fight Bk and all other slime merchants.We might lose individual battles but in the end the people will win ( USA v Vietnam ). The fans will still be cheering the blues on long after BK has gone,and we wont have sold our souls and history like the red shite,manure,chelskie and man shitty

Ben Chambers, I agree with your frustration watching other players sign for clubs when we could do with them. We seem to be aiming too high in the transfer market when a player like Mendes and a tricky direct winger like Thomas would certainly improve our squad immediately at little cost. We need numbers at the moment and can’t afford to be precious about only wanting the very best.

Er, Chris... (and any other scousers), Thatcher did win, she was PM for fifteen years or so.

That article about Campbell and Ferguson was on Kipper and NSNO and its complete bullshit. The journalist was apparently called B.Lagg. So dont get to aresey about this one.

Although its a stunt that i could see BK doing. Dont think Big Dunc would like bein a pawn in the game either.

Kev Campbell might come and press ’enter’ on that laptop to get the number for hit the bar! As for Big Dunc, has he even left his house since he finished playing? He doesn’t strike me as the type of guy to come on and wave at us at half time.

Mike Allison,

We’re aiming too high in the transfer market? 5th placed team in the most high profile and richest league on the planet aiming to jump into the champions league this season not good enough for the players we’ve been linked with? Rubbish. The targets have all wanted to come. Jo’mo, M’Bia etc but things have just got screwed up along the Everton way...

We could do with Margaret Thatcher as the new CEO.

Check the Juve site..Tiago has been voted the 3rd worst transfer in the Italian league..we are reduced to trawling Europe like "Steptoe and Son" for other teams cast offs..He cannot get a place in a very average Juve side..just like Smith at Newcastle..Beattie at Soton etc etc THIS IS THE QUALITY PLAYERS WE ARE WAITING FOR !!!!!!!!!!

Regardless of the quality we think Everton should be in for the simple fact of the matter is, its all well and good wantig the likes of Moutinho, Arshavin ect but have we got the money to back up our supposed interest in them? The answer is a resounding NO..
We have spoke all summer about the quaility of player we want at Everton but we have no divine right to sign them..
We are not champions of England and there are four or five much more attractive propositions in the English league than Everton at the moment in time its as simple as that..
We want Moutinho according to Kenwright but we dont want to pay the money Sporting are asking..
We want plenty of qaulity players but we are not going to get them..BECAUSE WE HAVE NO MONEY!!
We are told time and time again that we are the paupers of the Prem by Kenwright and Moyes and we cannot compete with the top four or Spurs for that matter..
So I think we should be looking at this moment in time just to sign some players that will bring the numbers up at least until someone buys Kenwright out of this football club who has genuine big bucks...Maybe then and only then if it ever happens can we realistically expect the biggest names in European football to come to Everton..

I just read that Tiago is so impressed with BB that he immediately cancelled his proposed move to the Barcodes to take a loan deal offer from Everton.He has been a disaster for Juventus -just as he was with Chelsea.I smell another Per Kroldrup coming in!

Well, it’s way passed noon on Friday,15th when those in the know said the money for signings would be released.So far -nothing! What a surprise.
Richard Dodd-Where are you?
If you don’t give us some GENUINE INFO soon,I’m coming to get you at the Freshy tonight! There will be no escape.

Also it means the deadline has now passed to bring players in for tomorrows matches which also means that for the first time since I can remember we will be starting a season with a first 11 that I could not even guess what it will be in the slightest or who will be in or around the squad..
Moyes has come up with more bullshit about its not just Everton who are struggling to bring players in this summer..
Only Everton and Man Utd have not signed a player this summer but Man Utd are one of the worlds best teams with an already big squad..What a joke!!

I’d be amused at Billy Bullshitter trying to get Dunc to say a word in his favour as he was one of the first ex blues to come out against Desperation Kirkby - I’d pay to watch him re-enact his burglary with Billy Bullshitter playing the burglar and getting a right kicking on the centre circle.

On a brighter not ethere are some nice fans personal photos of the lamb banana on the Official site.
Kenwright fuck of fyou fucking halfwit

@ Chris

you are correct, Kenwright has and is abusing this once great club. He has no understanding of the situation he has got himself into. Once an actor always an actor!!!

In the words of Alan Codd he should fuck off now.

Tony Part,if we have no money then will Bill Kenwright please admit it.Then ,will he explain where it has gone to.Will he then admit that he is a fan who took over the club under false pretences without any idea of what to do next.Will he then admit that gushing on tv is the limit of what he is about.Then,will he finally fuck off.

I?m sorry but I find the attitude towards our Chairman as over the top, ?we must stand together like we did against Thatcher?. Oh my God what a bunch of thick dicks you all are and quite frankly I?m surprised you all have computers or have they allowed them at Park Lane? Why all this abuse at BK because we haven?t spent £ 30 million pounds?.I?m sorry but you all have no idea how it works, its Moyes that decides who he wants then passes that to the Chairman who tries to squeeze it to our budget. We are not a big club and we don?t have big money so we have to compromise on every transaction we go in for. We can all post articles why we don?t have the funds to play with the big boys any longer buts that?s not the fault of BK, he has major limitations financially is that hard for you all to understand or are you busy reading crap like the Socialist Worker or sitting on a picket line at the Docks? Football has moved on since the days when we were the millionaires club unfortunately we have stud still and we are currently mid table drifters on and off the pitch. To use the analogy of fighting Thatcher to fighting BK is quite funny as our Chairman is a major contributor to the Labour Party!! Nobody is above critism especially BK but before you start shouting Kenwright out makes sure you have a direct replacement to follow him with a sack of money otherwise its just damages both the players confidence and long term value of our great club. I?m sorry but aren?t we in Europe this year and we finished 5th last year too????.believe me folks it can get a lot worse than this with your fickle attitudes to the problems that lie ahead. Speak to Leeds, Sheffield Wed, Sheff United, Newcastle, Man City, Birmingham, Charlton, West Ham, Luton, Bournemouth, Rotherham fans the list is endless. Spurs, Villa and Pompy have spent tens of millions of pounds to try and emulate EFC, we get there and then try and start a mutiny. Wankers!

Alan you say..

"believe me folks "

Er..no.

@Alan Wilo I couldnt care less who is in charge as long as they have cash
Kenwright no longer has the luxury to say he wants to sell to the right man and someone he thinks has the club at heart.
Billy Bullshit may think he has the club at heart but its him whos slowly killing it with his deception lies and incompetence.

"Speak to Leeds, Sheffield Wed, Sheff United, Newcastle, Man City, Birmingham, Charlton, West Ham, Luton, Bournemouth, Rotherham fans the list is endless. Spurs, Villa and Pompy have spent tens of millions of pounds to try and emulate EFC, we get there and then try and start a mutiny. Wankers! "
Tell me Alan Wilo were exactly are we?
I find it funny you refer to others as wankers LOL.

Alan,I really do admire your defence of the chairman.I accept that you are passionate and genuine.However,we are not a drifting mid table club.We finished fifth,with a decent squad could have finished fourth and had a wonderful opportunity to move on.Those who feel that BK is out of his depth are not fickle(until 2 weeks ago I have defended him on this site) nor are we wankers.
Can you honestly,hand on heart,say that you are satisfied with the way Bill Kenwright has run the club this summer?Yes it can get a lot worse than this and it will if Evertonians continue to accept the total lack of openness and honesty that we are currently faced with.

Alan Willo,

Wankers??? Classic...... Belter, absolute belter!!!

Open your eyes soft arse!

I am sick of nob heads making excuses for the situation we are in terms of a squad.

There really is no excuse for it.

FUCKING PATHETIC!!

"Yes it can get a lot worse than this and it will if Evertonians continue to accept the total lack of openness and honesty that we are currently faced with."

See, this is what I don’t understand. Everyone is completely up in arms at what Kenright SAYS. Who cares? Why not judge him on results? Kenwright is optimistic, and usually wrong. Deal with it. If we got a new owner in who did exactly the same as Kenwright except he never made public statements, would you be happier? Because most businessman like to talk to shareholders (i.e. in our case the fans) as little as possible.

Then this idea that the club has been completely mismanaged over the last 5 years. People say that with no frame of reference whatsoever. Most people on this board aren’t accountants, and have little idea of finances, economics or how to run a business (that’s a compliment by the way, accountancy is about the dullest thing out there). Yet everyone is quite happy to jump on Kenwright’s back, totally secure in the knowledge they are right.

And before everybody jumps on me, yes, I’m aware that we haven’t signed anyone. But I think we have easily the 5th best first XI in the Premier League with everyone fully fit, but only have about 19 first team playes. This is hugely more preferable to our situation only 3 years ago. Try to have a sense of perspective.

Im in full agreement with Andy Crooks..BK told us officially that the transfer budget would not be affected by DK and to watch this space, as quality signings were to be made to improve the squad and maintain our challenge...we have supposedly bid well over £12 mil for Moutinho and also a further £6 mil for M’Bia..the sales of McF and AJ plus the savings on the salary’s of the players released should have been a top up of the budget for transfers. We finished 5th and teams below us have all spent money to improve and supplement their squads..Villa had a small squad and faltered on the run last season as we did..they have moved to fix that and improve their squad. Teams like STOKE have spent more than we have. I haven’t mentioned the top teams yet but Sunderland and Middlesborough have spent to improve..Today Im reading that Arshevins price has been reduced so Spurs are in for him..Man City are after one of our targets in Milito..no mention has been made of Moutinho for at least a week..We are left with a couple of supposed loans in Smith and Tiago..both bench warmers at their clubs...Dont defend BK or any of the others to me...promises were made and now have been broken..Im not writing another word on this column as Im too angry reading stupid comments defending the atrocious mismanagement of our club and the total lack of foresight and ambition...Frustrated and angry blue.

Alan Willo - myopic and very selective memory to be kind and not rant

Simon Skinner - if we "masses" are clueless non-businessmen (actually wrong in my case and many other who post here) then why are we wrong about retail presence or are every other football club in the EPL also wrong in having them? Are every other club in the EPL wrong in having some form of marketing strategy? I’d also bet my bottom dollar each has five and ten year strategies that are being managed with contingency plans. If you can honestly say Everton Football do any of just those three for starters I’d be very interested to read about it being some ignorant fan.

Simon,I care what Bill Kenwright says when it means he makes false claims to Evertonians.

Gavin

I never said that nobody knows what they are talking about. I said most people don’t, and yet are still happy to criticise based entirely on what somebody else tells them.

Not sure why you brought up retail specifically but whatever.

On what do you base "every other club [...] having some form of marketing strategy" but not Everton? Everton sponsor that program in America, which apparently has our logo EVERYWHERE and has been praised by our yankee supporters as brilliant for raising the profile of the club. Doesn’t count, right?

Or the soccer schools in Asia, linked with Chang, raising our profile over there. Doesn’t count?

But really, other clubs are far better run than us. Just look at West Ham - not only can they afford to pay Ljundberg £85k a week, they can also afford to pay him £6m to leave a year later. You have to be REALLY well run to have that sort of cash.

Is that the kind of forward planning you meant?

Or Newcastle, who have had £100m pumped into them this year and are STILL £26m behind on transfer payments. That’s forward planning at it’s very best right there.

So, could you please give evidence that Everton have no forward planning, other than "kenright is crap and if you don’t think so you smell too"?

Gavin Ramejkis,

I think we are 2 of a few that are actually aware of what is going, or not going on, more to the point.

The marketing of the club is just one of many things wrong with our club at the moment but the blame must rest with the people at the top. They are the ones that make the decisions, or DONT in this case.

Their total lack of a clue and morals are slowly crippling this club and I think we have had our flit with success (minor success) and its a downward spiral from here on in.

Its gutting to watch this happen and the honest amongst us will agree. We have speculated but there has been no sniff of an accumulation. Its sad and its disgusting.

The whole board should do one, especially that lying two faced shit Billy Bullshitter!

There is 17 days left to make amends and really prove to us that we actually want to progress and i’m not talking Gravesens. I’m talking 4 class players. 3 class mids and a class forward, Moutinho, M’Bia, Topal, Thiago, Millito etc, and a few good loans or cheap quality players like MENDES etc.

Every other club can do it...... SO PLEASE KENWRIGHT, PULL THE FINGER OUT OR FUCK OFF FOR GOOD!!!!

Seeing as I started the comparison to BK and Margaret Thatcher.Would like to make final point , she might like BK seem to have been a winner, but wasn’t she eventually sacked by her own and wasn’t the country totally fucked up by then, sounds a similar position to EFC at moment !!!!

why has this dick got an obsession with Margaret Thatcher??

Simon its extremely old school but still as valid today as it was years ago; if you pay to market a product through promotional work and you mention America then can you tell me just what that has earned the club? Have we any new American season ticket holders? Have we really boosted retail sales of merchandising to USA to a significant level whereby the promotional work is paying for itself or in true business format actually protibale in line with the initial expenditure? It’s not just a case of nice touchy feely presence, we need to market and sell, sell, sell. I’m not aware of any new investors from USA banging down BK’s door asking him for a slice of the action. Similarly the Asian TV programmes have earned us what exactly? Even being ultra optomistic and saying an increase of Asian awareness and a requirement for merchandising then unfortunately the majority of the world’s fake goods originate in the far east meaning a good proportion of any "branded goods" if very popular would more likely be counterfeit and earn Everton FC £0.00.

"You smell too?" How old are you Simon? Any head of a multi-million pound company needs to be aware of the minutae and be a leader, I don’t believe BK ticks either of those boxes after his admission at the ESCLA meeting and his constant drivel all summer and more disgustingly bare faced lies to families with their young children at the PSV game. Newcastle is a strange example for you to bring up to, how many investors have they been linked to in the last five years and compare that number to interest in Everton in the last ten years - a business is attractive if it has a profile to attract attention, our profile is sadly one of ridicule.

Ian, I don’t think he’s a dick at all. A lot of working people who lived through that time are of the opinion that she ruined the country.
There’s a lot of Evertonians who are now concerned that Bill Kenwright is ruining the club. When he says what it was like when Sir john Moores ran the club, Chris saw Everton at their best both as a team and as a club.
Some have said that we should not criticise Bill Kenwright because he’s a blue like us and has led us through our best period for decades.
Well, that might be true but I think its Moyes who has led us towards the top, Not Kenwright.
It seems to me that Blues are coming on and criticising BK, rightly in my view, because of the long list of promises he’s made and they’ve turned out to be mirages.
The fear now, I think, is that his Sky interview was just so much more "Pie on the Sky." He’s the one who said "watch this space. " Hope I’m wrong but many of think we’ll be watching this space for a bloody long time.

Gavin


Re: the american and asian markets - I find it very strange that you demand that the board have a 5 and 10 year plan to market, and yet demand to know what benefits we have NOW from the US and Asia. Clearly, the benefits from such are from (a) future tours and (b) merchandise. Tour receipts come from gate receipts, which you are only going to get it you have a brand name out there. Teams like Liverpool and Man Utd have such a brand name purely from winning tropheys, whereas teams lower in the league (like Everton) need to lay the ground work.

It’s (gasp) a long term plan.


"You smell too?" How old are you Simon?’

Erm....my use of "you smell too" was a reference to the childish behaviour of those people who are personally attacking other Evertonians. Didn’t think it was that difficult to work out to be honest.

"Any head of a multi-million pound company needs to be aware of the minutae and be a leader"

This sounds obvious, yet simply isn’t true. I know of several chairman of major companies that know the numbers is extremely broad terms. Alongside them though, they have FDs who have the knowledge of the numbers in detail.

"more disgustingly bare faced lies to families with their young children"

What lies? That Everton will buy players? It’s hardly a bare faced lie if he intends to buy players, but it doesn’t work out, is it?

"a business is attractive if it has a profile to attract attention, our profile is sadly one of ridicule."

Our profile is hardly one of ridicule. Everton have a reputation in the media currently as a club fighting well above it’s weight, and doing very well. Now that may or may not be true, but we are very clearly not the subject of ridicule.

By the way, isn’t a busines more attractive to investors if it’s run badly? After all, if it’s run perfectly, an investor couldn’t possibly add value and hence couldn’t make a penny of his investment.

What I don’t understand is why you are determined that EVERY SINGLE THING that Kenwright does is wrong. You can certainly argue that certain things he does are wrong, but you are just determined that everything must be bad. It isn’t. Everton has moved in the last 6 years from relegation candidates to a top five club. Things can’t be THAT bad.

Albert Poissant
I agree with you... what the fuck has Thatcher got to do with Everton for gods sake. we have enough good players to get us through to when our new arrivals come. I guess all those in favour of comparing BK to Thatcher are all from the KEIOC. How about KEINF - keep everton in the future!!!!!!!!

Chris, Jim and all the rest that keep mentioning Thatcher, please don’t assume we are all moronic Labour voters, that was 15 years ago, wake up an smell the coffee!

Simon Skinner the ROI in marketing must have a cut off point, for example again using your idea of US and Asian tours being good choices, what happens if the squad isn’t big enough to fulfil a contractural obligation of playing these matches if the barely big enough squad get injured playing or not outside the realms of possibility contract a virus and are unable to play? Surely the matches would be put together as part of a local TV package and entertainments deal, we had to pull out of a UK friendly just a few weeks ago as we don’t even have enough players to play two games at the same time. Asian tours and US tours in terms of groundwork I would point out the obvious that most people outside the UK know nothing about Everton as we are minnows on the stage of football and the globally broadcast Champions League, penny ante work still wont make a dent on the attraction to Man Utd or the RS as they are known globally through success on the pitch; something you are hardly likely to achieve without a profitable business ploughing profits back into the club through better players, European Cup success (CL) and facilities creating a self funding upward spiral.

We will have to agree to disagree over BK as you are obviously a supporter of his twaddle, his lies to guys who posted on these very pages with their kids in hand by BK were to expect a surprise on Saturday, well the only surprise I can see is us barely being able to fill the bench and the guys on the pitch including at least one or two who have yet to be blooded in the EPL and/or players out of their preferred and best positions. In terms of the phrase "ridicule" I would suggest you read any of the press columns over the last few weeks even those in the Trinity Press which have always been fed positive rubbish by the club and Sky are hardly singing our praises from the rooftops, listen to football phone in shows on national radio then again you could ask any footballing friends you have who support different teams and ask them what they think about what is going on at GP and I repeat it isn’t pretty.

Simon T, I didn’t intend to refer to politics other than try to explain that Chris isn’t a dick . He was using a simile. Not a very good one imo but when the heart’s on fire you can get carried away. Without wishing to speak for him, he was telling it like it was when he was a kid and comparing it to now. I think he has a right to to just that, don’t you.
What, I find a bit disconcerting is your derogatory remark "Please don’t assume we are all moronic Labour supporters"
Not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that all Labour supporters are Morons? or do you mean that there a a lot of morons who, just for the fun of it , vote Labour. And I fecking hate the smell of Coffee! So lets leave the condescending comments eh, and concentrate on what is happening inour club, right now.
I assume you are content with what is going on. If so, I respect your assessment. Equally there are a fair number of us who find the current state of our club deeply disconcerting.
So, I reiterate, there will be people of an age who can compare where we are now, to what we were like then. As the song says "If you know your history..."
Nowt wrong in that is there? Chris will know that times have changed and, in my view, he correctly assesses our current chairman’s performance in relation to his pronouncements.

Gavin I don’t understand your point at all.

You originally claimed that Everton were the only club in the Premier League without a marketing plan - to me, it seemed like you have very little evidence for such a claim. I pointed out a few things Everton do that look very much like a long term marketing plan.

You seem to be saying that it won’t work, because nobody has heard of us (that’s the point of the groundwork), that it won’t make much money anyway, and anyway it’s a really bad idea because we have such a really small squad (it’s a long term marketing plan, we aren’t flying out Sunday). You seem to then say there’s little point in marketing unless you get into the CL - so what was your original point about marketing?

Then you say you can’t get into the CL without a profitable business, seemingly contradicting yourself again, as marketing is once again vital to achieve that.

And who said I was a supporter of Kenwright? I was replying to your comment that Everton were the only club without a long term marketing plan in the Premier League, which I think is completely untrue. My own wider beliefs (and yours too) are completely irrelevent - if you post something which is at best questionable, then why shouldn’t someone query it?

And no, I’ve not met a single fan of another club who "ridiculed" Everton. Most do not think Everton will finish in the top 5 this year without signings. Nobody thinks we will finish outside the top half. Almost all would take half of our team right now.


If that’s ridicule, then I need a new word to discribe the shit I took from about 1996 to 2006 (and that even includes the year we finished 4th) when everybody considered us a joke.

Fact is that Tories are as rare as hen’s teeth in Liverpool.

I can’t see any other option but to look for external investment - and if some of the clubs who have managed it can do so, then there is simply no reason why Everton can’t.

We have a sold fan base, guaranteed high gates every time, loads of untapped potential for marketing - so one can only assume that the blockage is the current board.

Come what may....I guarantee that BK will walk away from Everton a much richer man. Can anyone see him doing a Jack Heyward and selling the club for £10 in return from investment? He’s got away with murder because he’s a blue....but so is the annoying fat bloke who sits next to be in the Top Balcony, and I woudn’t want him running the club either.

Right Simon so as not to be misinterpreted.

It would appear that the current Marketing plan is some gestures in USA and TV coverage in Asia that has wrongly been accredited to KW; the show already existed and Joe Public winner is highly unlikely to become a premier league star or even benchwarmer, the TV coverage is exposure but without the successful team on the pitch to back up that plan - cue the look at what Arsenal did; success on pitch, and a staggered marketing in line with that increased profile in turn returning investment to the pitch and facilities to create significant upturn in their business. The marketing in situ appears to be that brought in by KW who couldn’t even market the Sydney Olympics which has a far greater global image than Everton FC beyond an out of court settlement with his single client and a rapid retreat from Australia. If Everton have long term strategies then what are they? As I said before the US market is vast and a good idea but you need to press home the advantage; play them at their own game and tacky as it seems they like the big, brash and in your face marketing, plaster the brand and play the big teams over there, but equally big names puts bums on seats and we are not at the stage to do that as we have bread and butter business failings. The US idea maybe a good one but it sounds like we are trying to run before we can walk.

The Asian side as I pointed out before offers very little return as the media savvy Asians want the big names and those they see tied to success on TV and satellite broadcasts, again is the idea that we just turn up and forget about the basics at home AT THE SAME TIME, it’s a juggling act that has sparks of potential but never going to ignite to a fire as the whole picture is being ignored and small items of the whole project running oblivious of the programme objectives - then again is the programme objective being realised when token gestures of we will sign x, y and z become desperation chasing a striker who hasn’t scored in over two years and last minute loans; not exactly the building blocks to beginning a challenge to break the Sky monopoly and get the media encroachment to start the ball rolling?

As far as other fans

Radio Five Live - plenty to hear the last three weeks
Talksport - as above
Man City fans - yeah people in glass houses, but genuine fan friends asking why we have no money
Glasgow Rangers and Celtic fans (I work a lot in Scotland) - asking the exact same thing when even they with a tiny TV deal in comparison have seen all SPL teams make changes and wonder how Everton haven’t even made loan signings
Dundee Utd, Aberdeen - As above

And don’t even start me on the crap from armchair RS supporters more than happy to rub my nose in it by text or in person.

Gavin

Nobody is questioning that the best way to improve our financial situation is to make the Champions League. However, that’s not to suggest we shouldn’t try to improve our finances in small pieces.

"the show already existed and Joe Public winner is highly unlikely to become a premier league star or even benchwarmer"

Obviously true, but that doesn’t mean the winner wouldn’t get a run out with the first team in friendlies - for example, friendlies played in America

Secondly, it’s about making people aware of the Everton brand. The thing is, if Everton make the CL ONCE, it won’t really make a lot of difference if people don’t know who Everton are. It comes across as "flash in the pan", like in 04/05.

However, if you can make people aware of who Everton are, act like a big club etc. then Everton would be accepted much quicker if we did make the CL. The marketing now is laying the groundwork. Arsenal did not, obviously, become a huge club overnight, but were ready to utilise their success when it came.

However, again and again I get the impression that really, you don’t have a problem with overseas marketing. In your last few posts, you keep coming out with issues like not having the squad to play these fixtures, turning up and forgetting about the basics at home. It just seems to me that you are really annoyed that we haven’t signed any top players, and you are swiping at other areas because you are angry.

As for other fans - as we do not seem to share any common friends, I can’t speak for them. All I’ll say is that I haven’t seen a single season preview anywhere that puts Everton outside the top half.

Are your friends also baffled as to why Portsmouth and Blackburn have no money?

Sorry to disagree and I respect your opinion with your years of following the Blues....... I must admit i support BK but will agree he has made mistakes along the way. I would happily change my opinion if a investor came out and said BK would not sell... My opinion, for what it?s worth, is he has found people to invest but their heart is not in it...........................................

I?m happy to be proved wrong but since BK took over we have made steady progress which I for one am happy with.

People will say that?s only because of DM but I give credit to BK for appointing a young manager who very few Everton fans were happy with at the time.

If you have points to disagree, I am happy to hear with factual points I am happy to change my opinion.

We are chosen, we do not choose. COYB>>

I don’t know about you boys, but after reading this:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article4543134.ece

I feel much more accepting of our appalling summer. Of course, it doesn’t make it okay, but having Moyes acknowledge it and knowing, on record, he has felt the same, makes me want to back him and the team (maybe not the board) more than ever.

All this said, the compromising of targets is a worry.

Jim Lloyd.....................so what you are saying is Labour was an improvement on Thatcher????..............

Ha Ha spot on Doug Nester!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim Lloyd,
Just trying to point out that not all Evertonians (even those born in the area) are by default Left wingers! Sorry if this disappoints but there it is.