None of us really know what money there is or isn’t but it would really be good to know where the money is from the sales of Johnson and McFadden.

We haven’t actually bought a player for almost a year now - since Yakubu - and even clubs like Stoke, WBA and Fulham are spending significant sums. Newcastle have spent well over £15m and they have a financer that is looking to recoup his money. It mystifies me how these clubs can spend when we seem unable to.

Lets hope if we do now get the players in we are not looking back on this completely wasted fixture today thinking if only we’d got 1 point or 3 we would have qualified for europe.

The Sky money is in their account, so now they could go out and make a signing and say they had the money all along. However, I still suspect that the "loans" either secured by or provided by Earl and Green have been called in, particularly with DK being a dead duck. The Johnson money has probably disappeared already.

Didn’t we make a 12 million pound bid for Moutinho before we sold AJ?

I’m not saying we’ve got mountains of cash, nor are we operating competently, but I think there is definitely a sizable amount of money available. It’s just trying to spread that over five or six players were the problems are arising,

I think.

Thanks Brian. I am not very much inclined to join the ’blame Moyes’ bandwagon either (see Tony M’s other thread), and believe he was covering up for his boss with his comments on transfers.

"Sorry! I had £30M to spend but somehow didn’t quite get around to it. So today I had to play three defenders in midfield and had a bench of teenagers..." Somehow I don’t think so.

We will see what happens over the next two weeks, whether anyone comes in and (maybe) where the money seems to have come from. It seems way too much of a coincidence that, since DK was called in, everything has come to a halt - no signings, no Moyes renewing his contract, everyone looking down in the mouth. Steve Round coming out to say how good the teenagers are (we are going to need them apparently).

The most likely explanation is indeed that the loans are being called in post the DK call in, and we are basically skint. BK is running around trying to find a buyer or patch something up and get some funds from his friends. But failing. And Moyes ain’t signing anything until he sees where things are heading. Very difficult times.

When the rumour of a possible bid from Sunderland for Baines emerged last week
there was a very telling comment in the broadsheet newspapers that Everton would consider this as they needed the cash hammer through the Smith deal.
WHY, If the AJ money was available would this be the case ?

Some very pertinent questions need asking at the EGM.

The EGM will have a very tight remit and you have as much chance of getting the facts you want as a club-footed myopian troglodyte has of winning Wimbledon.

As for making bids, you can bid as much as you like. You don’t have to have the money unless you complete - hence the Ramsey sham.

Mark Wynne,

You are very nearly right.

The purchase of Yakubu was financed by Earle. That debt was repaid from this year?s Sky money as was the money for Baines. Not sure were that came from but it explains why we had no money to strengthen in January. In other words we are always borrowing on the strength of the following year?s revenue which is fine until somebody pulls the plug. Earle pulled the plug because he was only interested in investing in Everton because of Kirkby.... as was Green. They were about to set down a Planet Hollywood style entertainment complex and a string of brand name shops along with the stadium and the Tesco superstore . The calling in of the scheme has put paid to that along with any further promises of investment for transfers this year. That is why Moyes wouldn?t sign his contract until he had an assurance the money for players was there for this season. As soon as DK was called in it wasn?t.... except for what may be left of the AJ money. Whatever people think of DK, that was our chance of meaningful investment and now that has all but gone. You saw the result of that on the pitch today. A team that was on the verge of breaking into the top four getting tonked by a very ordinary Blackburn side who outplayed us in the part of the pitch were we all know we are weak and where DM wanted to strengthen, the midfield. He could not strengthen because we have no money. We have no money because Kirkby has fallen through and the investors has rezipped their purses. That is always what the choice was about. Everton is not an attractive investment prospect for people who want to make money and I do wish people would realise that. Whatever Evertonians think of DK, that was our chance and now it has gone. We will live to rue the day as it is success that keeps Clubs in the elite, not location. Some people either forgot that or never knew it. And now we will pay the price.

I hope everyone who campaigned against DK is now happy and can see what it entails. Yes I know maybe possibly it may not have been called in but bringing so much attention to it hasn't helped. KEIOC you have contibuted to the fall of our great club, you blind knobheads. Now we have no investment, no nothing; our club is in freefall and wether its your fault or not it's what you wanted.

I?ve waited, like most Evertonians, all summer for some new faces to appear. Now I feel let down and could after 60 years of supporting the Toffees lose interest in what is fast becoming a disaster club. What?s Moyes playing at? I know he?s not very bright at times, especially in the transfer market, and has always tended to buy fay too late in the windows to get new players settled in, in time to have an effect on the teams performance.
God help us if this continues for much longer. Come back Howard Kendall, all is forgiven!

Howard Kendall has done nothing that requires forgiveness, dont drag him into this sorry mess.

Moyes will bring in a few faces im sure, I think we could get MBia if he hasnt seriously done his knee in (though thats never stopped us before) but I also think that nowadays, agents play the biggest part, I mean if Everton are interested in their client and willing to pay 40k a week, then whos to say Newcastle wont be, and may be willing to pay 50k? I dont think its any coincidence that deals fly through on deadline day, but take ages any other time!

Mark Wynne: re your first comment

BY GEORGE I THINK HE’S GOT IT!!!

SOMEONE’S FINALLY GOT IT!!!

Right, now im not saying that this is true but what i have heard is that Robert Earl who has given everton money for past transfers has now said he wants the money back so BK has had to find money to pay him back e.g the Johnson money and the reason he wants this money back may be because of the stadium move on hold which we all thought was going to go through, it may not be true but it explains why we have had no new signings!!

That could actually be true because nobody wants to invest unless we have a new stadium secured!

Dave Roberts, Robert Earl did not finance the purchase of Yakubu. The purchase monies came from a £25 million overdraft facility secured on the back of last season?s tv monies. (Check the documents at Companies House.) That overdraft has not been repaid despite the club receiving some £42 million of tv monies. What has happened to this? I suspect it?s in an account together with the AJ money which is "ringfenced" for DK. This, together with next season?s tv monies, gets us the £78 million needed for DK.

The club have not come out and said that DK is dead. When they make an announcement to the effect that they are going to stick with DK and all the delays and legal challenges that go with it, maybe it will dawn on people that the cost of doing so is reflected in the paucity of the squad. How much are those kids on again?

I sugest all the Yes voters stop blaming the No voters who were out voted for the failure of their beloved Kirkby project and look to the guy who failed them as he did me over my dream of the Kings Dock stadium.

I’m with Rich J on this one; sorry "yes voters", the predicament EFC are currently in has nothing to do with KEIOC or me, DK has been called in for planning reasons not related to the stadium. DM not having money to spend is purely down to BK failure to attract investors to Everton during a boom in the UK economy and the EPL... now we’re in a recession and the SKY/attendance/advertising will dwindle, god help us! Kings Dock was a gift BK didn’t have the foresight to grasp... we are now paying the penatly.

I don’t believe that DK was called in for planning reasons at all. I think much of the reason cane down to the campaign against it.

He released players without having signed players or having lined up replacements. That was criminal. That shows, if anything, a lack of vision and foresight. If he hadn?t the money, he would have been stuck with the same squad that performed so admirably last season. If he had to get rid of anyone, then it should have been the likes of Gardner and Gravesen whose performances on the pitch was minimal at most. Andy Johnson should have been sold until he had lined up a striker poised to sign on the dotted line. Carsley, as a reward for his services, should have been offered a two year deal, until his replacement was drafted in or the likes of Jack Rodwell was groomed properly to take over his role.

Look at Arsenal. They replaced Wright with Anelka, Anelka with Henry, Henry with Adebayo. Since the start of the Premier league, they?ve always made sure that a 25 goal a season striker was there to propel them to further heights. And in each case, the prince was brought in before the king abdicated, and then the prince became the king with another prince waiting in line. This is what men of vision do. They plan ahead. What is the point of having a 5 year plan if you cannot plan the course of a pre-season? If Plan A didn?t work, where was plan B? Or plan C? Because from what I see and hear, there appears to be no plan.

Even Pienaar?s signing almost never happened. He had to go to the media and complain that the deadline for a £2m deal was fast approaching and Everton hadn?t even offered him a contract. Most Evertonians, by last December, appreciated Pienaar?s contribution to the team and would have offered him a contract by then. Why not Moyes? Is he a ditherer like Radzinski famously claimed him to be?

Hasn?t Moyes learnt anything from pre-season?s gone by? Does he deem himself too powerful or stubborn to learn from the past?

Which part of the campaign do you feel really made the politicians sit up and think, "Wow this isn't on, these poor no voters!! Let's call it in for their sake", eh Mike?

I don’t think for a moment, as a Yes voter, that the No campaign had anything at all to do with DK getting called in - it was all down to much bigger planning issues and the opposition of neighbouring boroughs such as LCC to getting greater competition for their own retailers (thanks Warren!).

I do think that further investment into and perhaps new ownership of the club was dependent on Kirkby going ahead. I think we would have been able to buy the likes of Moutinho etc. if it had. Let’s all hope we still can, but I am not very optimistic.

Lee Gorre

Steven Pienaar

If you are going to buy a car - do you want to buy a nice new one? If you want to buy a coat - do you go to a second hand shop? If you very hungry - do you buy a packet of crisps? IF YOU WANT BUY A FOOTBALL CLUB/GROUND - WOULD YOU BUY GOODISON?

I looked around Goodison yesterday and the place is desperately dated. Imagine potential players coming in and looking around (which they do) and thinking "No, I?ll go to Sunderland or Bolton or Man City or Hull or Middlesbrough" etc etc.

Lastly, the transfer money & DM contract WAS based on ground move ? do you No voters get the point yet!!

I find it absolutely amazing how the folks on this forum can even contemplate blaming the No voters for the shambles at our football club.
I suspect that there is more than a grain of truth in Earl wanting his money back due to the Kirkby call in. And why shouldn’t he ? He was banking, possibly, on having one of his retail outlets on the site. As this may not now happen can anybody blame him.
As I stated on one of the other threads it is now time for Moyes to declare whether he wants to manage Everton Football Club or not.
If he does then sign the bloody contract ! If not then he should go before too much damage is done.
My last sentence may sound a bit odd as I fear the damage may be done already but I cannot think of any other way of putting it.

Listen lads, we had to sell AJ to pay back the person or persons who lent us the money to buy him in the first place (Green/Earl). McFadden's money probably paid off some of the Yak transfer. We have nothing left to mortgage nothing left to sell off but players, people or banks are starting to call in the loans. If the club admit this the will look like total idiots and no-one will go anywhere near them so they stay quiet. Notice they are asking for full houses, it's their only way to pay off the loans.. etc ? it's a cry for help, they are going down...

It was only a matter of time before the Yes voters vented their frustration on those who voted against the move. To now blame them for the position the management of the club is now in is incredulous. Grow up, we may have voiced our opinion but as we were so often ridiculed by the Yes voters as an insignificant minority who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, how come now its laid at our door??

Kirkby isn?t dead... yet. The government called it in because the town planning laws had been over ridden and that was seen as a precedent. No mention of the club was made in the letter to Knowsley council explaining the governments decision, rather the impact of the retail footprint that was out of proportion for a town the size of Kirkby. Go it?

I believe Dave Roberts view to be far closer to the actual truth than people suspect.

At this point how much control of the clubs affairs are being governed by messers Green and Earl? If they have a veto against any spending because of the Kirkby call in then tell us. If they are calling in any loans they have, let us know. We don?t need, lies, dammed lies and speculation and fed bullshit.

Someone needs to ask the question at the EGM as to why no funds have been spent, or is that going to land at Moyes door?

Moyes may well have his hands tied and just how much he has and WHO negotiated any transfer of a player and how much is open to discussion.

There is more to this than just Moyes not finding any bodies. He may well believe that he only wants players he can mould into the team, but come on, I don;t quite believe that either, Gardener and Gravessen last season? Cover, thats all.. so why no journeymen as cover for the squad?

We have some great youngsters, but we need strength now. If yesterdays defeat showed anything to Kenwright or the board it has been that they cannot continue to do nothing. I hope they pull their finger out and suport Moyes and the team.

To Gary Martin,

"If you want to buy a football club/ground - would you buy Goodison?" honestly please lets come up with sensible alternatives eh as in "no if you were a player, you’d go to Bolton, Hull etc" FFS, are you really now categorising us as a similar (or worse) proposition to those clubs? If you are, then I’d suggest that you refresh your knowledge on the history of our great club and also look to the fact that we are actually still in Europe last time I looked.

As far as ground goes as being an attractor to an investor. I seem to remember that QPR recently added some of the richest people in the world onto their board. Don’t seem to remember them having a glitzy new stadium to attract them?!?! In fact, sort of dispels another one of Bill’s porkies does it not. No investor wanting to invest in a club that has such illustrious neighbours?!?! The current board are the ones who didn’t learn their lesson after the Kings Dock fiasco. Bill should have walked after that, but yet again people sat on their hands and shouted down the nay sayers. "He’s a Blue through and through FFS" you all said "he must surely have our best interests at heart.....musn’t he?"

Painting the stones around the pitch is not my idea of improving the surroundings for your paying customers (Customers who you are supposed to one of). Thought it would at least be one thing that a Theatre Impressario would be clued up on, but suppose it entails having a bit of vision above the mid-tier sort mentioned in our planning application.

We are all paying for the inadequacies of this board and to keep pointing the finger at a group of Evertonian’s who were not ’sold’ on the lies, as the Yes voters were, of DK (and for some reason continue to be?!?!?! WAKE UP - you’ve been sold a fukin dudd!!) start turning your guns on the REAL target!! I’ll give you a clue, it’s not KEOIC!!

BK talks about bringing in the right investors, well it’s quite clear that Earl no longer appears to be. He is exactly the same as that Charlatan Gregg. He is a simple resource (a pretty rich one granted) who has facilitated the drawing out of BK’s reign of our club.

"Who else is there to come in then?" you’ll say, "Bill tells us that no one is interested". Well if you are still believing that lie then please, hand me over your money because I have this bottle of Snake Oil that will cure all of your ills.

Until I see documented evidence of any approaches and the business reasons for their decline then I’m cynically going to have to treat that also with the contempt that most things spouted by BK now deserve.

Christine, I think No voters had no influence whatsoever on the Kirkby decision. The main driver was the cynical and selfish arguments of the LCC and others to support their own retailers versus seeing an even poorer part of Merseyside get some much needed redevelopment.

However, it is becoming increasingly clear that NOT securing Kirkby has derailed the infusion of much needed investment into the club (and possibly even new ownership). Moyes is refusing to sign a new contract, no players have been signed, and everything has stalled.

The case against the Nos is not that you had any influence on the DK decision - you didn’t of course. It is that, whether you like it or not, Kirkby was the plan the Board had to take the club forward and spring it out of the financial trap it is in. If Kirkby had gone ahead we would be in a vastly different financial position. With the likely demise of Kirkby, we are now back in the trap.

What the Nos perhaps owe us now is, absent Kirkby, any ideas at all they have about how we are going to secure the major new investment we so desperately need?

Neil, I actually believe that is the yes voters who owe us an alternative now you have wasted all this time and money into this mad idea that could have ruined our long term future. But of course the is no plan B.

I agree Rich! There is no plan B. There never has been. We cannot afford one. We could afford to borrow around £50M to get a brand new stadium and bring in some substantial new funds to the club. There are no other options even close to Kirkby. No other new sites that will cost us less than double the Kirkby amount. Redeveloping GP will not bring new investment. We are indeed stuck now. I don’t think you guys are ever going to get it!

Oh I get it Neil, what surprises me is that this guy ruins our short term future as you have admitted and then with your blessing you trust him to allow us to move out of our city and jeopardise the long term future of our club. Priceless Neil!!

Rich, who said that getting a brand new stadium for £50M five miles from our current one, and getting some major new investment, was going to "jeopardise our long term future"? Not me. I guess you will have to explain to me how being in our current situation with no realistic options, investors withdrawing, no money, no new players, and a manager who won’t resign is a better place to be!

By the way - when you lot can produce a new stadium in the city which will involve Everton borrowing less than £150M then I think we can all agree that Kirkby is "mad". I am not holding my breath.

It grieves me to say it but I genuinely believe that the Moyes era is coming to a premature end.He may be sweating on convincing Kenwright he’s worth 60K a week but I suspect he’s at last seeing his ’blood brother ’for what he really is.
My information is that Wyness is getting all the blame for the lack of progress on transfers but he was totally constrained by the lines of credit being terminated.
Implosion is the word two local journalists have used to me lately and that may not be far off the mark.

Neil, neither you or I are aware of the full details (including costs) of any of the other alternatives as Everton would not investigate these options due to the exclusivety agreement we signed. If you are then please tell me these costs and if any the contributios that Sainsbury and Bestaway were going to put in. As I understand none of these figures have been talked about or am I wrong.

You must be right Rich! Sainsbury or Bestway would have made things even cheaper than Tesco at Kirkby (that’s why they were so insistent on doing something with us!), and of course LCC would throw in some land for free like Knowsley (wouldn’t they?). And Bill and Keith just ignored these fantastic possibilities because they fell in love with Kirkby. You must be right.

Does it not ever occur to any of you people that it could be that all these wonderful fantasy options that you believe in are largely in your dreams? That the reason we could safely sign the exclusivity agreement was that there was no other available option that we could actually afford?

But I hope you are right. If you are, I am sure we will all see these wonderful options resurrected soon. We will hardly need to borrow anything, and no doubt building work can start in the New Year... But permit me not to hold my breath again.

For me today, this morning, the most pressing issue is whether we have got any money for transfers and whether I am going to have any fingers and nails or hair left come midnight on deadline day! If the clubs transfer fund is indeed tied into the success of Kirkby, despite claims to the contrary by the club, then it just beggars belief. No one knows anything, no ones really saying anything! What a way to run our beloved club! If this is the case, then I am absolutely disgusted!

All this gloom and doom on the back of one defeat!
As I have posted before, I have been very reliably informed that the lines of credit were re-opened last Friday and the management have every hope of bringing in very substantial re-inforcements before the deadline. When that happens ? as it surely will ? I shall expect to see thes columns full of apologies and repentance from the above theorists and doom-mongers!

I don't think it's all on the back of one defeat. It's been a long tired summer! I appreciate there is time to bolster the squad and I'm hoping but you have to admit there is a growing sense that all is not well, for whatever reason. Let's just hope our ?lines of credit? for building on last season's achievements aren't totally dependent on something like Kirkby and that somehow the dialogue between the ?Peoples Club? and us Fans (and LCC too) begins to improve.... I'm sick of platitudes, arguments and speculation, positive and negative...

Neil, you're the one making all the presumptions, my friend. What I was saying was the we didn't know. Once again, you're plucking things out the air that you have no facts on. Better than the other day though, hey, Neil, when you were hailing the fact that we shouldn't do a Leeds... forgetting the fact that Kenwright had followed Ridsdale's advice and mortgaged our future season ticket sales.

Rich - not meaning to patronise chief but businesses that don?t have a short term future rarely have a long term future.

There have been far too many emotive issues and the occasional sporting ?day in the sun? clouding an otherwise clear cut case of a massively overgeared company that is staring at having its loans called in without any visible or sustainable line of credit going forwards.

Trust me, at this rate people will soon talk about Tesco Terry?s spurned generosity and the ?DK opportunity? in the same tone as they do about Kings Dock.

Rich, do you think we SHOULDN’T have mortgaged any of our future season ticket sales? Do you think we should have not used that money to buy new players last year? The problem with Leeds - as I aready posted to you - was that they bet their future on qualifiying for the CL and then failed.

By the way, we know for a fact that LCC is not going to give us land for free like Knowsley. We know for a fact that no other developer in the UK is going to secure as low build costs as Tesco. And if it costs less to buld a stadium on the restricted space of the Loop than on a wide open space in Kirkby - then perhaps Leon Osman is taller than Lucas Jutkiewicz.

So we already know a great deal to indicate that Kirkby is an affordable option and these others are not. Which of course is why the Board were so keen on it.

Rich
I totally agree.

For anybody to trust the Kenwright regime with ANY ground move would be a complete disaster for the long term future of our club.

We are all now seeing the result of the incompetence of this board on a grand scale.

I have gone on at length on TW about the dire commercial management of our club.
Poor PR,branding,merchandising and other commercial activity while selling off/mortgaging the family silver in the HOPE that it will all sort itself out.

Well that is just pure FANTASY and the person behind it does not deserve the backing of any supporter.

Kenwright has done far more damage than Agent Johnson ever did.

As ever, the ’noes’ have precisely no alternatives to offer.

The club needs investment and its not going to get it whilst we remain at Goodison. Simple as.

So, all you no voters - come up with an alternative.

Mike
Can I just correct you.

We will not get a serious investor until BK decides to give up his trainset on somebody else?s terms rather than his own.

If something is a good commercial opportunity it will have no problem getting investment the only reason we did not consider other opportunities than DK was because the board were led down a one way path with the longest exclusivity period in history.Remember there was no plan B.

What was the opportunity that Kirkby presented... letting Bill?s mates make a killing while leaving Everton with a legacy of debt and a championship standard stadium in the middle of nowhere?

Actually Jay, the opportunity that Kirkby presented was getting a brand new stadium for much less than we will ever be able to get another one, and getting some new investment into the club (and perhaps even changing the owner just to please you!) The alternative we can now clearly see....

By the way, I am not from Kirkby but am a bit surprised that you think of it as "in the middle of nowhere". You must be pleased that the Secretary of State and many others so completely disagree with you - they thought that DK was a mortal threat to retailers in the city of Liverpool and all the surrounding boroughs. Can’t be that far away, can it?

Jay - seeing as BK’s shareholding isn’t large enough for him to have a controlling interest in the business - it’s not his "trainset" to sell - he could be out voted by his fellow directors should a bid actually land on the table.

However, it suits the conspiracy theories to pretend that this isn’t the case & he’s constantly slamming the door in the faces of Multi-Billionaires who are desperate to get their hands on a loss making business that now needs a £150 - £200M investment to sort out the stadium issue - aside from the purchase price & clearing the current £60M debt - all that before, they can enjoy spending even more of their children’s inheritance on a host of multi £M players.

A startlingly attractive proposition that is - I’m amazed that they’re not queuing round the block to take it off his & Earl’s hands

@ Richard Dodd" :"As I have posted before,I have been very reliably informed that the lines of credit were re-opened last Friday and the management have every hope of bringing in very substantial re-inforcements before the deadline"

Even if this is true, how on earth are we expected to bring in the number of quality players that we need in less than a fortnight? Why were the lines of credit closed in the first instance?

Just imagine other clubs’ chairmen now: "Everton are desperate for players before the deadline, inflate the asking price by 50%!"

Piss poor management whichever way you look at it. I want honest answers to who and how we cocked up!

Can I be the first to apologise to Richard Dodd. The Everton board and manager are obviously doing a very good job and they have filled me full of confidence this summer that they obviously know what they’re doing.

For christ’s sake yes men bleating about KEIOC is a joke, for once and for ever get off your sorry arses and read the transcript of why the application was called in and then you could also check why it was objected against - IT WAS PURELY ABOUT THE RETAIL PLANS CONTRAVENING THE MAJORITY OF RULES AND REGULATIONS IN SITU - IT HAD FUCK ALL TO DO WITH THE STADIUM DEVELOPMENT.

Sorry I know you don’t like shout mode guys but when will that sink in? I would also point out that you don’t put all your eggs into one basket unless you are an absolute idiot with no idea of how to run a business of have anything other than ignorant blinkers on in not recognising the potential risk should it have been called in by having no plan B whatsoever. The failure lies at the hands of BK’s lack of acumen and Tesco’s arrogance.

Doddy, please answer as you didn’t last time. If the credit lines reopened on Friday to coincide with the release of Sky money then does that or does that not mean that Bill Kenwright was bullshitting ALL summer that funds were available for players. Come on Richard, answer that.

Neil
you may have been happy with Kirkby but a great many longstanding Evertonians numbering at least 10000 were’nt.

If you believe that a championship standard stadium with severe access problems (Hence my "in the middle of nowhere" tag)with a debt of over 80 million attached to it was anything other than a jolly for Kenwright and his buddies and would have left us with crippling debts and a large interest bill to pay with very little additional income then you are seriously deluded.

Maybe you can point out how it would have attracted a new owner and what financial benefits it would bring over and above staying at GP.

If, as some people suspect, Earl and Green were behind the borrowings that funded some players and were only in it for the return out of DK then are they the sort of investors you want in EFC.

Do you honestly think that as we stand QPR are a better investment than EFC.

As a management consultant dont you think that if you spent 5 years trying to sell EFC under "normal" terms you would have succeeded by now.

I did really respect your contributions from the Pro Kirkbyites but since the call in you really have become a bitter man.

Gary, Mike, ffs think. the future of your club?s at stake here. Mike,the no?s have posted plenty of alternatives, as have LCC and Bestway. The troublr is, the club has not even bothered to enter into talks with any other party than KMBC and Tesco?s. So rather than just blame the no?s for opposing the move top Kirkby, think why this plan, supported by Peter Kilfoyle MP, George Howarth MP, KMBC and EFC, was called in. It wasn?t because a bunch of Evertonians opposed it for fucks sake. It was because the plan is likely to break planning laws.

Neil, ever the nice, friendly "I really appreciate your comment there but somehow, whatever you say, you No mob have got us into the state we?re in."
If I can quote your response to a post, at least in part: "However, it is becoming increasingly clear that not securing Kirkby, has derailed the infusion of much needed investment into the club..." Where do you pluck this nugget from. Are you party to information that the rest of us poor, uninformed followers of the boys in Blue are not aware of. Be that as it may, you say "it is becoming increasingly clear." How do you work that out, let us know please.
You then go on to say "the case against the no?s is not that you had any influence on the DK decision - of course you didn?t; what the no?s perhaps, owe us, is, absent Kirkby, any ideas at all, they have about how we are going to secure the new investment we so desperately need."

Not that it is the responsibility of people opposed to the Kirkby move, to do the job of the club for them but there have been plenty of proposals, the latest being John Hughes. Ther are many Blues who want to give to their club but have EFC considered this?

Well, Neil, no doubt, as an avid reader of the ToffeeWeb posts, you will have read many posts by those opposed to the move to Kirkby, for all kinds of reasons, emotional and practical. There are alternatives to Kirkby but will the club listen?

Finally, why do you think the No?s owe you anything at all? and who is this "us" you talk about? Are you suggesting that there is a great body of very nice Yes voters who, if it wasn?t for the naughty No voters, would now have their dreams fullfilled.

And now that it has been called in we, who, acording to you, have had no influence whatsoever, must now come up with investment schemes that were never promised by a move into a middle of the road stadium in the middle of nowhere?

ps: hate to be inquisitive but do you go to the match?

Excellent response from Jim Lloyd (no relation!). There are so many people who are either business experts & people in the know that we get baffled by bullshit half the time, but in a thread that was getting a bit tit for tat until Jim's (un-answered) comment.

Sorry Jay, Gavin, Neil and Mike I had to leave for my sanity I couldn't carry on yesterday so was unable to respond. Neil I really should have pulled you up earlier over the quoted £50 million for a new stadium, as I thought it was £78 million, I wouldnt swear its a fact but they are the figures that were being talked about in the end. This is the problem Neil you talk about things with such conviction that one would think this guy seems clued up then some utter crap comes out which then ruins the validity of everything else you've said.

Neil scott,
with respect ALL SUCCESSFUL businesses have short, medium and long term planning otherwise we all know how the saying goes "if you fail to plan you plan to fail" blah blah, maybe that could be our new motto, what is the latin for it.