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After Saturday's game, I have come to a decision.....
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That decision is, that until Honest Blue Bill leaves Everton in safe and capable hands I will not go to anymore matches.
I can't take much more of Saturday's crap. I spend hard earned money on that to watch players like Yakubu score a goal and then pretty much say I've done my bit and disappear for the rest of the game. Playing players out of position and relying on boys is not the Everton I want to see again. It's the Everton of a few seasons ago when we were deep in the mire. Surely, we're better than this now????
Brian Wolf, Posted 18/08/2008 at 12:48:42
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I was listening to a phone-in with Steve Claridge on Setenta Sports over the weekend, and two callers, who were NOT Everton fans had the impression that Everton were on the path to self-destruction, after such a good season last year. What are the media saying about us and is it just all specultation about where the club is heading?
After news of the CEO resigning, the ground move being 'called-in', Moyes not signing his new contract yet, the failure to sign new players, a rash of key injuries, losing at home to Blackburn and getting booed off the pitch after wards, its hardly surprising the media are jumping to conclusions.
So we have a rough idea what the perceived health is, but what is the real health of the club?
From my view, forgetting the first half, we played some good football at times. The passing and movement between Ossi and Arteta was delightful and the move leading up to our 2nd goal was excellent. If it wasn't for Lescott switching off and the linesman missing a blatent offside we would have won that game 2-1 based on a solid 2nd half performance. Throw into the mix a sitter missed by Yak and a header inches over from young Baxter and all of a sudden it could have been a different story altogether and some of the doom and gloom from a summer void of any transfer activity would have been lifted.
As it is however, we lost; we have no midfield and a squad thinner than a piece of paper.
I'm aware as much as the next man that come hell or high water Phil Jagielka should never ever be allowed to pull a blue shirt on if he's being asked to play in midfield. I'm also aware that Rodwell, despite some good touches, is not ready. Baines as good as he was at Wigan doesn't look like he's got it, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Personlly I think Valente is a better player.
I am however also aware that we were without Tim Cahill, Steven Pienaar, Andy VDM, Vic Anichebe & James Vaughan. In Cahill and Pienaar we were missing two incredibly gifted footballers who would be well missed in any team. Add to that the fact we've lost Andy Johnson and Lee Carsley over the summer plus Fernandes and to a lesser degree Gravesen. In total that's 9 players who DM had to call on last season that for one reason or another he didn't on Saturday.
I'm not excusing the fact that our inability to bring in any new players is absolutely disgraceful. The board needs to take a serious look at the transfer policy and get it sorted, fast. I'm finding it harder and harder to believe the excuses given by DM and BK, and would love to know what's really going on. My feeling is that it boils down to the wages we are willing to pay - but in my mind the phrase 'you get what you pay for' should be considered.
In summary, don't worry. Injuries will cease eventually and we will bring in some players. We're probably 3 players short of having a quality football team.
Granted It's not a good start, but given the circumstances it could have been much, much worse.
God help us.
Now all we want is the truth. The truth pretty much boils down to one point. Why on earth have we not managed one single signing this close season?
I'll glady hear everyone's gossip and what they have heard from a friend etc... I post this in just faint hope that someone involved with the club does read this, and can give us an answer, even if it's (as I believe and fear) one that we do not want to hear.
All we have done since is dither. Moyes only wanted quality and all Kenwright could get was £20m and it doesnt fit.
The Johnson sale was too late and took to long and now we are in firefighting mode and just need 5 players - lower Premiership or Championship material . Only hope is that Moyes can find the gems again.
I reckon I’m out about £80-100 unless players are signed pronto and Moyes signs his contract.
But come on guys lets give the men in charge until end of the transfer deadline before we start boycotting matches!!! Are you a blue or not?!
For some reason the editors havent published it ?
For the first half of the season at least.
Signings should have been made and bedded in by now.
As for the money ? Moyes has stated that there is money available, but when is it available ?
Something is very wrong at the club, and to be honest. I have past caring anymore. I cannot invest anymore emotions on the club at present as it is making me ill to be honest.
Brian. I envy you in a way, because living so far away it may be slightly easier to decide not to go because of the logistics (If you get my drift).
I gave up my season ticket last season for reasons i have stated on here before.
But living so close the pull of the game is to much 90% of the time.
As i pass by the ground every day to get to work, and more often than not buy a ticket.
I am at a loss as to how in a couple of months we can go from contenders to laughing stock.
the "Perceived" budget was 8 million according to a TW poster "in the know" and we were trying to sign 30 million’s worth of players with a minimum down payment and the rest on the never-never which is why the Moyes "identified" targets didnt materialise and AJ had to be sold.
With a down payment of around 5 million on AJ that gives us a theoretical budget of around 13 million which should be enough for Jimmy Bullard and 1 or 2 quality signings or just Mouthino?
Anthony we cant blame Moyes.He only identifies the players he would like it’s the boards responsibility to get them.He has done as much as he can by refusing to sign his contract unless and until the board show some support.
Hes said that he would have liked to have started earlier on in the year and implied during interviews that sufficient funds were not made available to him.
My personal opinion is that his transfer budget originally was quite small with more promised, which is why we saw the ridiculously low bids for moutinho early in the summer and his reluctance, then and now, to purchase cheaper players first incase he is then forced to miss out on the one or two top targets he has.
If BK is still trying to get sufficient funds together for Moyes, I think that would also explain why his contract remains unsigned.
Moyes saying "Money is there" shouldn’t be taken to imply that he has enough or that it was there when he wanted it.
I?m quite sure our name must be mud where most european clubs and agents are concerned by now.
Where we see them as being ?greedy? or ?demanding? they probably view us as being highly unrealistic, or time wasters or skint.
It takes two to tango...
Actually, Everton are currently 25/1 to be relgated with Ladbrokes, with only 6 teams have higher odds.
Lets get right behind Moyes and show him the reasons why its such an honour to be Manager of our great club and between the Players, Management and Supporters we’ll get Everton through this temporary sticky patch.
If Moyes is right in his statement and it is his fault we haven't singed anyone ( human shield more like) then he is a twat of a manager. Kenwright is a useless prick and gets away with it every time. Until this tosser fucks off, we are going nowhere.
Where will we be then.
Whilst I understand your frustrations, We’ll still have no investment for players and we will have let one of the best Managers in the Premiership go, who has literally performed miracles for us over the last 5 years.
I just don’t see an alternative to us getting behind the boys at the moment. We’re in danger of looking and sounding like the mad deluded Geordies here!!
If only he didnt reappear in the 93rd minute. He should?ve been shot for giving away a stupid foul like that.
"If Moyes is right in his statement and it is his fault we haven't signed anyone (human shield more like) then he is a twat of a manager."
It?s a big if, but if it?s true he should be sacked, simple as. To me it?s gross negligence of his duty. It doesn?t matter how good a coach he is, his activity in the transfer market is just as important an area of his job and if his statement is true he has grossly underperformed in that area of his job.
On Saturday however the display was so inept and lacking in drive, desire and the simple ability to string more than two passes together before the obligatory hoof towards a 5? something player marked by a 6? player, that I am no longer going to spend £30+ for the pleasure of having me knees cut in half by the seat in front whilst squirming for a view around a huge post.
The ground is a joke and the team can?t pass. My hope has gone and I don?t need to be reminded every two weeks just what an amateur organisation Everton are nowerdays. To make matters even worse the parking on stanley park will be gone as of 1st Sept and I?d have the pleasure of watching the RS building their huge glass monstrosity. I simply don?t need it!!
The next two weeks will be difficult and where the new players will come from is anyone?s guess... I?ll ring Valencia and ask for Manny and Albelda to help us out ? it?s time I?m afraid to put out the begging bowl.
We could be here all day blaming everyone, does it matter now? The damage has been done and our beloved club has been sent back years to darker days than under Smith. I?m not going to worry anymore myself, to see a club we all love almost destroyed by stupidity is beyond words.
I feel sorry for young supporters; old one?s like me can remember when our club was one of the great clubs, we still are a great club... sadly those who run it have no respect and have no idea whatsoever of what being an Evertonian means. Shame on them; they are not worthy to be at the club, they do not deserve our loyalty, our honesty and our great love for our club. I fully believe these people think we?re complete idiots, it may surprise them that we are the most passionate and intelligent football fans in the world!!! It?s what make us Evertonians.
Sorry for the rant. Michael and Lyndon and all at ToffeeWeb, may I take this opportunity to thank you all for your great work over the summer, you mean a lot to us all here and can I end by saying "If Manny comes back in January" for the last time.
BUT if its him who has allowed us to get to the situation we are in, with kids filling the bench , then in my opinion he has fucked up royally.
What if Yakubu pulls up in training or osman, what the fuck will he do then.
Personally I think he is taking the blame for that prick of a chairman of ours.
Also I couldnt give a fuck who buys Kenwright out because lets face facts it cant get much worse than it is.
For me Kenwright is much worse than Peter Johnson ever was and people should acknowledge this.
COYB’s...dont let us down....!
With regards to Saturdays Game-Baines looked vey short of match fitness and did not seem to know what role He was playing, I would concurr with those that say Jags should not have been in Mid - field- I would have sooner seen him at RB- however He was the lesser of two evils with regards to Neville.
Nevilles constant Hoof ball to Five foot nothing Osman & His inability to win a header defensively-just astounds Me!!!-(and We have this to put up with for another 4 Years)- The Yak really pisses Me off - as He has to drift wide all the time- srely If He stays in a central position He has less likelihood of being closed down- a good example of a CF was Santa Cruz- Good Postional sense Sense and allways working to make his self available.
The Yak is just a lazy so and so who when the only time that He did chase back after losing the ball (admittedly at the time He had nothing on and at that late stage of the Game should have adopted Nevilles style -hoofing in to the channel)- He ends up causing a Foul in a very dangerous area.
Rodwell after a shaky start-lets not forget it was His first senior start, I thought showed enough to suggest that this Lad is going to Be quality & as for Baxter- I would have brought Him on 10 mins earlier and gone to win the game instead of settling for a Draw.
It is obvious that We do not have a great deal of Money other wise We would have signed people by now in order that they could bed in, Bullard is not the answer - He reminds Me of a certain Mike Milligan- MBia will if He decides to join be a very good aquisition- I would also stop fannying around and buy Moutinho (the lad is class)- would not be surprised if our buys were more Bargain basement than front of the shop until We see some real investment.
Will you come back if we start winning games?
I love Lescott but fact of the matter was on saturday he was bloody woeful at best. He had 2 chances to prevent the equalizer and cocked them both up. Too many players went missing just like our bulletproof chairman does when the chips are down. How this prick escaped any criticism on saturday is beyond me.
This summer has been probably the worst under Moyes’s reign and he must take some of the blame but whilst Bullshitter Kenwright is involved we are never going to progress.
Take the Vagner Love deal as an example, the player is quality and probably CSKA’s best player. Everton unbelievably thought we could get him on loan ??? Hi Sir Alex can we have Ronaldo on loan please ??? You can guess his answer !! No wonder CSKA were stunned when they realised we were not planning on a permanent move. Now for me why not send out a statement and pay for Love as he would cost roughly the same as what we got for AJ only we’d be getting a better player. Its all about match winners and unfortunately for us we haven’t got many.
We need to act quickly or we’ll have far too much ground to make up.
Until Kenwright is out of this club I won’t be coming back. There is only one man to blame for this situation and he’s hanging on and hanging on until his beloved Kirkby ground goes through and then he’s gonna try and cash in and get everything he can out of the club.
It’s the supporters who plough their hard earned into the club every week who he is taking the piss out of and I’m not gonna take no more of it...
You know if Everton repeat the feat of getting to at least the quarter final of the UEFA Cup you will be at Goodison cheering the team on.
I even bet if we sign a couple of good players before the transfer window that makes people sit up and we start playing well and winning matches you will be back.
If you aren’t going to support Everton through the hard time PLEASE PLEASE stick to your guns and if we do well this year with Billy Liar still in charge, stay away!
Otherwise this whole thread made by yourself would have been a waste of our time and yours.
I say power to the real fans. I’d say your doing Everton a favour staying away and I go even further and say anyone who feels the same also stay away. Lets make Everton a true blue zone full of positivity ! Its a place for real..loyal..caring fans and not the glory hunters like yourself Wolfie. So what things arn’t looking good. Thats the time to get there and give your support, not acting like a five year old and not coming out to play. Get real.and get lost
I"m always baffled by people like Andy Maher, wh label people like myself and Brian Wolf "glory hunters" "RS in disguise" "not real fans". I support Everton Football Club, not Bullshit Bill Inc. Everton was here before Bill, hopefully it will be long after him.
I work fucken hard for my money. Why should I just hand it over to Bullshit Billy, when he clearly doesn’t deserve it? How does that make me less of a fan? How does ponying up hard earned to an incompetent liar without thinking make you more of a fan?
stay away your negativity will not be missed. Real fans dont talk like you or walk away form the club they report to love....absolutely unbelievable logic some people are blessed with...
From what I can work out the transfer issues seem to be three fold:
1. Moyes has a list and he is NOT budging or choosing different ones even if they are not available.
2. Kenwright doesn’t have the money to buy the players Moyes wants. The delegation haven’t gone to tempt Moutinho - they’ve gone to convince the Sporting board that a down payment is ok.
3. Moyes will not sign a new contract until signings have been made. Once the board have got a number of signings in Moyes will sign.
Right from the start Kenwright has said he doesn’t have the cash BUT neither will he let go of the reigns. He’s had at least two offers in the past which he has refused. Only when Everton have an owner with more cash will we start moving forward. Without new signings the team will struggle this season.
I’m no fan of Kenwright, that’s for sure and I think Moyes is making life difficult for him.
Under the current ragime, if Moyes can’t make it work then I don’t think anyone can.
No-one can understand fully anothers mind but I still have difficulties understanding why people feel the need to advertise the fact that they won’t be going the match again....fine don’t go but why shout it all over an football forum?
What do you want? Do you want people to try and talk you round? Do you want a cookie?
It may not be what we were expecting but I, for one,will settle for the honest to goodness Jimmy Bullards and Alan Smiths ? provided he signs enough of them. Remember where Cahill and Lescott came from?
In the good times and the bad you are entitled to your opinion but to stay away and not go to the game to support the players smacks of the Norwegian glory hunters from over the park.
Did you write to Kenwright last season to say how well he had done last season ( I think not) I,m not trying to defend the man but you don?t go to "support" him!!
As with previous posts if we do well this season and BK is still at the helm will you be back (I think so).
So if you?re gonna leave and your "hard earned cash" has been spent on a season ticket then donate it to an Evertonian who can't afford one,but will stick with the blues through hell and high water. Not jump overboard when there?s a bit of a storm.
Look forward to your post in May!!!
I hate BK and have always hated him. That being said I had neither the money nor the desire to run the club myself so unless someone better comes along he is what we have to work with. Yes there have been rumours of interest in the past but one of those was Thaksin. How is it going for him these days ? Another was Ashely who is ready to call it quits at Newcastle. Another was the skinflint owner of West ham. Another was called Peter johnson and he did buy the club ahead of kenwright at one point in time as you may recall. Shall I go on ? Your money doesn’t go to BS Bill it goes to maintaining the institution that brought us Dixie, Howard and Labone. If you want to walk away and see us do a Leeds then go ahead and I’m sure Spurs or Chelsea will welcome you with open palms.
And just like the bores down the pub who tell you at length why they don’t vote whilst simultaneously moaning about numerous political issues, you’ve just lost your right to complain.
What a compassionate and understanding post!
Here?s a fellow Blue saying he?s not going to the match and what do you do - slag him off. Maybe you should be more worried that you maybe the only one left watching this poor excuse for a team in the not too distant future.
Plonker!
Do you honestly think that the match going Blues amongst us would not respond to such a contrversial post in a negative vein? I love going the match and no matter if the chairman/owner is a liar/the next messiah, I will still love going the match but to come on to a football forum and bleat about no going against whilst Bill is still there, to me, is just plain bizzare.
And I don’t blame John for having a go at him but I find it ironic that you start your post being sarcastic about being understanding and then end it by insulting the poster.
I know it is a free forum but again I cannot understand why people feel the need to advertise the fact they are not going the game again, fair enough skit the team/manager/chairman and discuss it but this site would be better without the dummy throwing knee jerk reactionists.
So long Wolfy. Enjoy your bitter weekends with your ear glued to the radio. At least you will be safe in the knowledge that our Chairman is not personally collecting your £40 from the box office and using it to light his cigar.
Goodbye, good riddance, evertonians won’t miss you. take your weak kneed support somewhere else. Tranmere maybe? Or is it off to the RS - they have won a game. Hope you can understand scandinavian and cockney accents though.
Maybe you will follow someone on the radio? Or maybe you have sky sports and setanta - then you can follow the RS or ManU live every week without moving your arse. Personally I will take mine off to the match and support my team - home away and europe again with a commitment that lasts a lifetime no matter who is chairman or manager or player for that matter. As long as they represent Everton FC that is enough for me.
Bet your missus will be made up for you to be staying home though!!!!!!!


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My "bet" is that if Moyes is not given at least the AJ money, around £10m, by transfer deadline day, he will walk out and I, for one, will not blame him.