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M'Bia prefers Everton to Arsenal
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Some extracts from an interview with M?Bia in L?Equipe:
?I?ve just learned that Arsenal would be interested in me, but my position is clear; I want to restart the season with Everton. What Rennes are currently proposing (salary??) is below what I want. The 2 clubs need to reach an agreement for me to be able to go. I know my club directors have declared that they would not let me leave but this is just a way of raising the bidding. I understand their position. I'd do the same.?
L?Equipe ? Are you sure? In his declarations, Pierre Dreossi seems determined to keep you? ?But that?s what he says to journalists. That?s politics. From what I understand Dreossi is prepared to let me go. For my part, I don?t want to play for Rennes again.?
L?Equipe ? Would that not therefore lead to another ?Briand case??
?Not at all. I have never talked about clashing with the club as that doesn?t get you anywhere. We just need all parties to sit down at the table and negotiate. Personally I?m not worried as English clubs have plenty of money for signings [lol]. When they really want a player money is no object. I hope it will be sorted at the beginning of next week.?
L?Equipe ? what?s your motive other than playing in the Premier League?
?It?s an opportunity that only comes along once. Everton are offering me 1.5m euros a year and Rennes don?t even pay me half that. Even if I do owe absolutely everything to the club I have a family to feed, not to mention the challenge which is very interesting. It?s an ideal ?trampoline? for my career.?
(It also says he?ll be out for 2 weeks with the knee injury he picked up at the Olympics).
A few comments:?
Although his motives appear more than a little mercenary perhaps this is not surprising from a 22 year old from a Third World country. On the positive side at least he is desperate to join us and a £1.2m a year salary would actually relatively cheap for an international midfielder. The worrying thing for me is the general impression held abroad that Premier League clubs are loaded and will pay any fee. If their President thinks that then the deal will never go through.
Interestingly Moyes?s statement about us not being able to afford 6 players worth £15 caused a few negative comments from boggers on the Portuguese Correio da Manha website, wondering why in his right mind would Moutinho want to join a poor club from a deprived suburb of Liverpool. Maybe this is the way to go? Plead poverty and clubs are more likely to accept a lower offer.
http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.aspx?contentid=D0E6F975-6999-4E4E-91D3-691097D8CEAF&channelid=00000214-0000-0000-0000-000000000214
John Harris, Posted 21/08/2008 at 00:05:19
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Erm.. is it just me, or does it read he prefers us over Arsenal?
I don’t believe what he said to the press mate. If Arsenal and us were the two options I am pretty sure he would choose them.
If the lad wants regular football then he is better with us..at Arsenal he would have much more competition. I just wish he and Moutinho came to EFC then I would tolerate a couple of loan deals to bolster the ranks.. The fans deserve new hero’s to push the club forward and create some excitement..not more run of the mill drones on loan..I reckon a couple of top buys would stimulate the other players and bring out the best in our youngsters too..
We’re rich! Rich rich rich!!!! M’Bia has said it, so it must be true!
FFS he’s been crying out loud for sooooo long to join us!! Lets just sign him and shut him up ONCE AND FOR ALL !!!!!! ; )
"Personally I?m not worried as English clubs have plenty of money for signings. When they really want a player money is no object."
Our blue strip has confused him...he thinks we are Chelski
Our blue strip has confused him...he thinks we are Chelski
On another note: With Silvestre incoming, rumour has it Arsenal are going to let Djorou leave the club. Which team is interested in him? Right, Rennes. Player swap for M’Bia looming.
I still dont think we will sign anyone this summer.
Every single day we are in the same position as the previous day..In Negotiations...Just how long do Evertons negotiations last exactly?. Are we planning on fooling everybody and as soon as we are in the last few days of the transfer window we are actually going to finalise some deals through rather than just talk for weeks and weeks on end?.
We will go into the game on Saturday with the same worry as last week and still we are not really any closer to signing anyone..
The Moutinho thing is out of our league and thats just bandied speculation from unreliable sources, personally I think if we were going to get him it would have been four or five weeks ago, its dragged on too long now.
Are we actually in for Diego Milito?. We have been linked in the Echo and Daily Post with this guy for the last three months yet nothing happens and the same for Alan Smith.. Tiago wont come either..
We are going to have to sign another striker FAST...Mind you Ive been saying we are needing to sign six players fast for the last month and nothing is happening..
Every single day we are in the same position as the previous day..In Negotiations...Just how long do Evertons negotiations last exactly?. Are we planning on fooling everybody and as soon as we are in the last few days of the transfer window we are actually going to finalise some deals through rather than just talk for weeks and weeks on end?.
We will go into the game on Saturday with the same worry as last week and still we are not really any closer to signing anyone..
The Moutinho thing is out of our league and thats just bandied speculation from unreliable sources, personally I think if we were going to get him it would have been four or five weeks ago, its dragged on too long now.
Are we actually in for Diego Milito?. We have been linked in the Echo and Daily Post with this guy for the last three months yet nothing happens and the same for Alan Smith.. Tiago wont come either..
We are going to have to sign another striker FAST...Mind you Ive been saying we are needing to sign six players fast for the last month and nothing is happening..
That settles it, he is the new Gravedigger, as he is obviously off his rocker if he prefers us to Le Arse
Well the Portugese have got it right - a poor club from a deprived part of Liverpool.
At least we are still located in Liverpool
At least we are still located in Liverpool
Has anyone from Everton actually said that they want him?
Reminds me a bit of Nugent last season, he was trying his best to talk himself in to a move to us, we got it right on him.
Sound like he would be a typical Everton signing though injured for 2 weeks, then out for another month, play about 6 games for us then be stuck on the payroll for 3 years like shandy Andy.
Is there a training course on how to sign footballers at any of the colleges because someone from Everton should be enrolled immediately.
Reminds me a bit of Nugent last season, he was trying his best to talk himself in to a move to us, we got it right on him.
Sound like he would be a typical Everton signing though injured for 2 weeks, then out for another month, play about 6 games for us then be stuck on the payroll for 3 years like shandy Andy.
Is there a training course on how to sign footballers at any of the colleges because someone from Everton should be enrolled immediately.
I’ve tried so hard to be optimistci this summer, and I managed it up until about a week ago - now when I get up I think to myself, ’right I’ll have a look online and we will have signed Tiago/M’Bia/Moutinho/Smith/Someone/Anyone’ but it just hasnt materialised. I seriously think we wont sign a single player now, its just dragged on for too long - we may (and this is a long shot) get one player in on loan but look at the Tiago thing, we’ve offered Juve the money, they’ve accepted yet the player isnt interested in playing for Everton. Lets face it, nobody is interested in playing for Everton. Why? Because we’re the second team in Liverpool, fact. We have no money, possible fact. Our CEO did one, fact. Our manager has yet to state he’s staying, fact. The chairman says he wants out, fact. Wheres the stability? Would you join a company that has publically stated that it has little confidence in itself? I know I wouldnt.
James,
There are players interested in playing for Everton. Only not the players Everton are after. There is talent in Europe in the smaller leagues, only I don’t know what the scouts are doing. Maybe they live in some dreamworld considering every player wants to play for Everton.
There are players interested in playing for Everton. Only not the players Everton are after. There is talent in Europe in the smaller leagues, only I don’t know what the scouts are doing. Maybe they live in some dreamworld considering every player wants to play for Everton.
Ralph, I see where you’re coming from but the fact remains that the type of plaer we require has no interest in playing for us. Of course there are players out there that would jump at the chance to play for Everton (I’m one of them!) but to make it worthwhile they need to be of a certain standard, and those players do not want to play for Everton.
Do our scouts live in a dreamworld? I think they do when they try to sign players like Moutinho - why on earth would Sporting sell their best midfielder, captain and all round talisman to a club like us? They’re in Europe every year, have financial stability and a great fanbase/ground - on the same basis why the hell would Moutinho want to come and play for us?!? I just dont see any incentive for club or player, and the same can be said of all our targets to lesser or greater degrees.
We’re not a fashionable club, we have no European pedigree and our fans live on a diet of (if y’know yer) history & nostalgia harping on about how great we once were. Well the time has come to face the reality that we’re not as big a club as we like to think we are, and perhaps even Rafa RedShite was right.
There, I said it.
Do our scouts live in a dreamworld? I think they do when they try to sign players like Moutinho - why on earth would Sporting sell their best midfielder, captain and all round talisman to a club like us? They’re in Europe every year, have financial stability and a great fanbase/ground - on the same basis why the hell would Moutinho want to come and play for us?!? I just dont see any incentive for club or player, and the same can be said of all our targets to lesser or greater degrees.
We’re not a fashionable club, we have no European pedigree and our fans live on a diet of (if y’know yer) history & nostalgia harping on about how great we once were. Well the time has come to face the reality that we’re not as big a club as we like to think we are, and perhaps even Rafa RedShite was right.
There, I said it.
Ok James,
So what you are saying is that we never should have signed Cahill and Arteta. Cahill was playing for Millwall and Arteta for Sociedad. I really think some people can’t think reasonably around here.
So what you are saying is that we never should have signed Cahill and Arteta. Cahill was playing for Millwall and Arteta for Sociedad. I really think some people can’t think reasonably around here.
Not at all Ralph, but Arteta was a player going nowhere at the time, and Cahill came from the lower leagues - my point isnt that we shouldnt sign good players from lower divisions, my point is that the established top quality players that we’re constantly linked with WILL NOT come to Everton.
I’m being very reasonable.
I’m being very reasonable.
I’d play for anyone who would pay me 1.5 million euros per year!
Boo hoo he "has a family to feed" and Rennes are only paying him around 750,000 Euros a year.... what are they eating? Diamond rice crispies?
Golden Grahams.
Exaclty Terry! He’s either got a HUGE family or they are hungry bastards!
Given that we have Shandy Andy on our books, I don’t think we need an "Archie Alehouse".
Whilst I sympathise a tiny bit with what you’ve written James, I disagree with you fundamentally that we should and can get that class of player. However, when you try and get a top player you have to pay and not just try and play hard ball in negotiations, otherwise the selling team will simply say "fine, we didn’t want to sell anyway".
Look at the Ramsey bid...
Whilst I sympathise a tiny bit with what you’ve written James, I disagree with you fundamentally that we should and can get that class of player. However, when you try and get a top player you have to pay and not just try and play hard ball in negotiations, otherwise the selling team will simply say "fine, we didn’t want to sell anyway".
Look at the Ramsey bid...
You’ve completely lost me I’m afraid Chad, what are you on about?!
... 3 teams in Arse, Manure and us. Initially you would think it is just a toss up of the teams in the Champions league. But at Everton we can offer him first team football. However, Arse aren’t afraid of putting youth straight in he they’re good enough. Manure have demonstrated the same but then offer to loan him straight back to Cardiff for a year. Nobody wants a bidding
war and all table £5M... Oh, but not Everton, we do it on the never, never and are suprised our bid basically gets laughed out.
war and all table £5M... Oh, but not Everton, we do it on the never, never and are suprised our bid basically gets laughed out.
Sounds like a complete wanker to me. Why do I picture N’Yarko when I imagine this player?
I think I follow now Chad, having read it again a few times!
I don’t agree though, not only do we not pay up for players, but we just dont have the prestige that top players are looking for. Our club is stuck in the past and so are too many of our supporters. I dont mean this to sound like an attack because I love Everton and Evertonians but there has to be more to it than just money - we’re viewed as a small club by people other than ourselves, I live in London and people down here look down on us, even West Ham fans! The common view is that we’re an ex-big-club and not considered a threat or a big-player these days. I cant help but feel that this view is shared on a Europe-wide basis and that top class players prefer to go to clubs they know even if that means playing in France or for lesser known Spanish teams.
I don’t agree though, not only do we not pay up for players, but we just dont have the prestige that top players are looking for. Our club is stuck in the past and so are too many of our supporters. I dont mean this to sound like an attack because I love Everton and Evertonians but there has to be more to it than just money - we’re viewed as a small club by people other than ourselves, I live in London and people down here look down on us, even West Ham fans! The common view is that we’re an ex-big-club and not considered a threat or a big-player these days. I cant help but feel that this view is shared on a Europe-wide basis and that top class players prefer to go to clubs they know even if that means playing in France or for lesser known Spanish teams.
Chad - clearly we’re talking at cross purposes mate!
I was with you on the Ramsey bid.
Ramsey isnt my point at all though, he’s a young kid who can choose where he wants to go when faced with the choice - I’d have chosen Arsenal as well; he has mates there, its in London and they’re not afraid to play young lads in their team.
I was with you on the Ramsey bid.
Ramsey isnt my point at all though, he’s a young kid who can choose where he wants to go when faced with the choice - I’d have chosen Arsenal as well; he has mates there, its in London and they’re not afraid to play young lads in their team.
This talk of arsenal being in for him...seems just like the mischevious workings of an agent...
There is no chance that arsenal will be after him...he’s an average player for a start and they have diaby and dennilson..who can play in that position..
And his comment about springboard is an example of mercenary tactics..
I certainly don’t want this angling average player here.
There is no chance that arsenal will be after him...he’s an average player for a start and they have diaby and dennilson..who can play in that position..
And his comment about springboard is an example of mercenary tactics..
I certainly don’t want this angling average player here.
This is the lastest from the Liverpool echo website
EVERTON were today waiting for a decision from Tiago after they agreed a 12-month loan deal with Juventus for the Portugal international.
Seems our first summer transfer could be on his way if he agrees to return to England, not the signing I was hoping for (that was Moutinho) but he cant be any worse that what we had in the centre mid on sat, not knocking Rodwell he looks a great prospect and he is only a young lad and still learning the trade.
EVERTON were today waiting for a decision from Tiago after they agreed a 12-month loan deal with Juventus for the Portugal international.
Seems our first summer transfer could be on his way if he agrees to return to England, not the signing I was hoping for (that was Moutinho) but he cant be any worse that what we had in the centre mid on sat, not knocking Rodwell he looks a great prospect and he is only a young lad and still learning the trade.
The other thing as well, do we really want another African player who’s gonna bugger off for Internationals half way through the season? Surely we have enough already, we all know the impact losing the Yak, Pienaar & Yobo had last time, and we could lose Anichebe too when the next ACON comes around.
I think m’bia’s motivation is all wrong he wants to come to everton for the money not because he wants to play for our club..... What do you think?
James, apologies for slightly garbled responses. On phone so limited space to write.
Don’t see the cross purposes bit as whilst you agree about Ramsey that’s the only time we had competition for a player we’ve good for this summer... And royally fucked it. Personally i feel we can get (could’ve got)other targets, quality players... But we have done ourselves no favour in the way we’ve approached it. We’re now under pressure with time and have a small squad. Both teams and players can demand more from us.
Don’t see the cross purposes bit as whilst you agree about Ramsey that’s the only time we had competition for a player we’ve good for this summer... And royally fucked it. Personally i feel we can get (could’ve got)other targets, quality players... But we have done ourselves no favour in the way we’ve approached it. We’re now under pressure with time and have a small squad. Both teams and players can demand more from us.
Michael I think you will find that most players will come for the money not to play for Everton or any other club. Its just the way it is, look at Lampard and Adebayor, both making noises about going to Inter Milan and Barcelona the suddenly they get a new contract and a pay rise and they are happy again.
Agreed Chad, but I still believe that we lack the attractiveness for Europe’s top players.
Back in a bit.
Back in a bit.
Ian
as always the Echo are miles behind.
Apparently the player asked for 24 hours to think it over and then decided overnight he doesnt fancy the prem because he couldnt settle last time with Chelski.
I think of all the signings he was the most unpredictable anyway so I’m not as disappointed as if we didnt sign Mouthino,Mbia or Milito.
Looking at last night game I thought Kovac and Polak looked useful for the czechs.
as always the Echo are miles behind.
Apparently the player asked for 24 hours to think it over and then decided overnight he doesnt fancy the prem because he couldnt settle last time with Chelski.
I think of all the signings he was the most unpredictable anyway so I’m not as disappointed as if we didnt sign Mouthino,Mbia or Milito.
Looking at last night game I thought Kovac and Polak looked useful for the czechs.
I for one am o.k. if we don’t get Tiago - he never really stood out as anything special to me. I say we just overpay for Moutinho, M’Bia and Cana. With those three as the spine of the team, we will be in very good shape even with injuries...and a force to be reckoned with when fully fit. 35 mil well spent.
It’s all very simple really.
No player from the Continent is going to "want to play for us" per se. It is going to be about what we can offer in wages relative to their present contract. If one of the Sky 4 want that player, they will trump us and get them.
As noted above, the only thing we offer is the greater likelihood of first team football. However, when was the last time we signed a player under the noses of The 4? I mean, Chelsea’s bench probably pulls more wages than the team we put on the field at kickoff (especially last Saturday!)
Today’s players are all mercenaries, M’Bia just made absolutely no attempt to hide it. I can’t say I’ll be disappointed when this "transfer" goes by the wayside. I’d rather see us chuck the money at Citeh’s Johnson, and overpay for Bullard at this point. At least we’d be buying some modicum of loyalty.
No player from the Continent is going to "want to play for us" per se. It is going to be about what we can offer in wages relative to their present contract. If one of the Sky 4 want that player, they will trump us and get them.
As noted above, the only thing we offer is the greater likelihood of first team football. However, when was the last time we signed a player under the noses of The 4? I mean, Chelsea’s bench probably pulls more wages than the team we put on the field at kickoff (especially last Saturday!)
Today’s players are all mercenaries, M’Bia just made absolutely no attempt to hide it. I can’t say I’ll be disappointed when this "transfer" goes by the wayside. I’d rather see us chuck the money at Citeh’s Johnson, and overpay for Bullard at this point. At least we’d be buying some modicum of loyalty.
The lads being honest, he wants to progress, play in a bigger League and earn as much money as he can. That the aim of every footballer.
The problem is alot of Evertonians want him to claim he was a boyhood Blue, Dunc was his hero and he has an Everton tatoo. It doesn’t work like that sadly.
He’s praised the club, he’s praised the manager and he wants to join. That’s good enough for me.
If he sees us as a stepping stone then fair enough, let him prove if he’s as good as he thinks, if he is then we can sell him on for alot of money and buy another player. If he’s not and he’s a player who’s at our level we’ll keep him.
He’s an amibitious player, a little too honest but he wants to join and I hope he does. Sign him up.
The problem is alot of Evertonians want him to claim he was a boyhood Blue, Dunc was his hero and he has an Everton tatoo. It doesn’t work like that sadly.
He’s praised the club, he’s praised the manager and he wants to join. That’s good enough for me.
If he sees us as a stepping stone then fair enough, let him prove if he’s as good as he thinks, if he is then we can sell him on for alot of money and buy another player. If he’s not and he’s a player who’s at our level we’ll keep him.
He’s an amibitious player, a little too honest but he wants to join and I hope he does. Sign him up.
You’re right Connor. Look at Arshavin, at first, only Barca were good enough for him and he wanted to play in Spain.But they didn’t want him, so Arsenal suddenly fit the bill and the Prem is the best league. However,they,too were reluctant to pay throught he nose for his services so, when Spurs come along, he would "love to play for them" .It’s whoever pays the most cash.
In the link to M’Bia on the main page, the Rennes manager states that his position hasn’t changed, in spite of what M’Bia is saying. He doesn’t want to sell him, and that’s the end of it as far as he is concerned.
So don’t get your hopes up of him coming. Why would anyone sell one of their better players now that the season has started?
So don’t get your hopes up of him coming. Why would anyone sell one of their better players now that the season has started?
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Would be a terrific buy but not gonna happen.