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Quite often on this site people will say that we have a large and loyal fanbase or that we have the best supporters in the world.
Well judging by recent posts the opposite is the truth. First we had the DK refusniks who said they were giving up because the club were intending to move 4 miles. Now we have other fans regularly saying that if there are no signings they are off, or bizarrely one individual poster saying that he finds Goodison too racist and homophobic and he is off.
The truth is that we have a small core of loyal supporters and a much larger softer support who will only part with their cash if the club is run according to their demands and we are regularly challenging for trophies.
Can you imagine us getting 33,000 in League 1 as Man City regularly did several years ago? We would be down to less than 20,000 in the Championship.
This season is going to be awful and will probaly involve a fight against relegation ? by all means moan and complain if you go the game but keep quiet if you can afford to go but choose not to. And for gods sake please don't pretend you are occupying the moral high ground by not going - you know the ones: "I am doing it as a protest in the long term interest of the club".
John Doolan, Posted 22/08/2008 at 08:01:13
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I?m afraid an awful lot of so-called Evertonians are going to have egg on their faces on the morning of Tuesday, 2nd September. By then, Davey will have honoured his promise to bring in a handful of new faces and, as ever, Chairman Bill will have supported him with the necessary cash.
Then, I imagine, you will all be able to get back to Bill bashing on the Kirkby issue!
Then, I imagine, you will all be able to get back to Bill bashing on the Kirkby issue!
As I’ve stated before, the bubble has burst. People are sick of overinflated ticket prices to watch over-inflated egos running around on the pitch. The Premier League is no longer a competition, even with a £50 million pound budget we’d be nowhere near competing for the title. And how much is the West Brom game tomorrow? Something like £45 - that’s unbelievable!
We’ve been through some really tough times before with Everton but I’ve never felt this disillusioned with football in general. The club and its management have shown no loyalty to the fans this summer by constantly feeding us with more and more bullshit. Yet we’re expected to continually show our loyalty by forking out our hard earned cash and turn up and sing our hearts out every week? It’s crap, the whole thing is crap. We’ve taken 1 step forward and 10 steps back.
I’ve been wrestling with this all summer - I’ve loved chanting at other teams "where were you when you were shit?" but I’m seriously about to bail out. There’s more to life than constantly worrying about Everton FC and their shambolic management.
We’ve been through some really tough times before with Everton but I’ve never felt this disillusioned with football in general. The club and its management have shown no loyalty to the fans this summer by constantly feeding us with more and more bullshit. Yet we’re expected to continually show our loyalty by forking out our hard earned cash and turn up and sing our hearts out every week? It’s crap, the whole thing is crap. We’ve taken 1 step forward and 10 steps back.
I’ve been wrestling with this all summer - I’ve loved chanting at other teams "where were you when you were shit?" but I’m seriously about to bail out. There’s more to life than constantly worrying about Everton FC and their shambolic management.
Good old Doddy, can’t beat his optimism.
I try to be optimistic but I am nearing breaking point. I missed the last game due to a Stag Do elsewhere in the country and I will miss the next home game due to the actual wedding......and to be honest I am not too bothered. I have never missed more than one home game in a season, this one two out of two.
I can’t seem to get the same amount of excitement since this dour pre season and lack of transfer activity, then again I am shallow and irrational and give me a couple of signings and I will be back to my normal optimistic self
I try to be optimistic but I am nearing breaking point. I missed the last game due to a Stag Do elsewhere in the country and I will miss the next home game due to the actual wedding......and to be honest I am not too bothered. I have never missed more than one home game in a season, this one two out of two.
I can’t seem to get the same amount of excitement since this dour pre season and lack of transfer activity, then again I am shallow and irrational and give me a couple of signings and I will be back to my normal optimistic self
JD is 100% correct.
The fickleness, ingratitude and just the sheer amount of whinging that can be read on this site is almost unbelievable, you would have thought that we had weeded out all the turncoat ’glory-hunters’ at least a decade ago.
The moaning and whinging levels on here are exceeding even the worst excesses that one could expect from RS and Spurs fans, and they are scientifically proven to be the biggest bunch of moaning bastards on the planet.
Get a grip.
Call y’self an Evertonian?
Start proving it!
The fickleness, ingratitude and just the sheer amount of whinging that can be read on this site is almost unbelievable, you would have thought that we had weeded out all the turncoat ’glory-hunters’ at least a decade ago.
The moaning and whinging levels on here are exceeding even the worst excesses that one could expect from RS and Spurs fans, and they are scientifically proven to be the biggest bunch of moaning bastards on the planet.
Get a grip.
Call y’self an Evertonian?
Start proving it!
Richard,
Only a handfull? I thought we were short or 5 or 6. Thats before the others left the club?
I hope indeed I do have egg on my face. But not with bringing numbers in. With quality.
Watch Doddys space!!!
Only a handfull? I thought we were short or 5 or 6. Thats before the others left the club?
I hope indeed I do have egg on my face. But not with bringing numbers in. With quality.
Watch Doddys space!!!
Well said John! Support the team, no matter what!
John, why can’t you have an opinion if you don’t go game? I speak as one who does go the game but I’m always prepared to listen to the views of people who don’t go for whatever reason. Using this principle I take we can’t have a view on golf if we never went the open or the olympics if we never went to Beijing or even worse no view on politics unless we go to the house of commons.
where’s Tony Marsh when you need him for a balanced view?
Every year at least one person spouts this crap...support the team...stop whinging and/or complaining...stop destroying the players confidnce. it?s not their fault blah blah fucking blah.
Well I SUPPORT the team by buying my season ticket, new strips for me & my kids every year(3 by the way this year come October), spending my hard earned cash on travelling home & abroad, shouting & singing until I have no voice left like some sort of Everton junkie and have done so for many, many years....!!
Well Isn?t it time the team and more importantly THE CLUB gave us something to SUPPORT !!
I?m sick to fuckin death of being treated like a fuckin idiot by Kenwright and the rest of the morons who run this club. They are taking the piss big time because they know we?ll all be there home & away in England and in Europe ( not for long this season !!) every fuckin week....Now is the time to take a stand against the financial mismanagement, massive disappointments and bearfaced LIES that we, THE SUPPORTERS, have been subjected to time & time again over the last few years.
?WATCH THIS SPACE...? were his words, loud & clear for all to hear on national, no INTERNATIONAL television....!!
Well I?ve been watching ever since and guess what the ?space? is still as EMPTY as ever...just like Billy Bullshit?s promises !!
Playing kids & full backs in midfield and not having a meaningful subs bench is what you?ll find any Sunday morning in parks up and down the country and its NOT FUCKING GOOD ENOUGH !!
For my money, being completely out played for the majority of the game at home by an also-ran like Blackburn IS the fault of the Players & the Manager...who else is to fuckin blame ??
Whilst people spout this ? lets all stick together ...we are EVERTON shite ? Kenwright will never bring in any meaningful investment and we will never move forward..well I?ve had enough !!
Me & my mrs have been together 15yrs and if she?d have let me down even half as much and made as many empty promises as Everton have during that time I?d have fucked he off LONG AGO !!
Tomorrow for the first time I will not be at The Hawthornes. For me & my lad to go would cost nearly £100 for just tickets and travel not including food and ale money...well fuck it they?re not having my money anymore. It?ll kill me but I?m NOT GOING !!
They do not show us any respect, they have made us a laughing stock ONCE AGAIN and this time ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!
Well I SUPPORT the team by buying my season ticket, new strips for me & my kids every year(3 by the way this year come October), spending my hard earned cash on travelling home & abroad, shouting & singing until I have no voice left like some sort of Everton junkie and have done so for many, many years....!!
Well Isn?t it time the team and more importantly THE CLUB gave us something to SUPPORT !!
I?m sick to fuckin death of being treated like a fuckin idiot by Kenwright and the rest of the morons who run this club. They are taking the piss big time because they know we?ll all be there home & away in England and in Europe ( not for long this season !!) every fuckin week....Now is the time to take a stand against the financial mismanagement, massive disappointments and bearfaced LIES that we, THE SUPPORTERS, have been subjected to time & time again over the last few years.
?WATCH THIS SPACE...? were his words, loud & clear for all to hear on national, no INTERNATIONAL television....!!
Well I?ve been watching ever since and guess what the ?space? is still as EMPTY as ever...just like Billy Bullshit?s promises !!
Playing kids & full backs in midfield and not having a meaningful subs bench is what you?ll find any Sunday morning in parks up and down the country and its NOT FUCKING GOOD ENOUGH !!
For my money, being completely out played for the majority of the game at home by an also-ran like Blackburn IS the fault of the Players & the Manager...who else is to fuckin blame ??
Whilst people spout this ? lets all stick together ...we are EVERTON shite ? Kenwright will never bring in any meaningful investment and we will never move forward..well I?ve had enough !!
Me & my mrs have been together 15yrs and if she?d have let me down even half as much and made as many empty promises as Everton have during that time I?d have fucked he off LONG AGO !!
Tomorrow for the first time I will not be at The Hawthornes. For me & my lad to go would cost nearly £100 for just tickets and travel not including food and ale money...well fuck it they?re not having my money anymore. It?ll kill me but I?m NOT GOING !!
They do not show us any respect, they have made us a laughing stock ONCE AGAIN and this time ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!
’’The truth is that we have a small core of loyal supporters and a much larger softer support who will only part with their cash if the club is run according to their demands and we are regularly challenging for trophies’’
yes we should be challenging for trophies and its not about being run according to how we want it, its about how it shouldnt be run by a fuckin clown
Its people like you John Doolan who mean that this football club will never progress past where it is coz ur too happy to accept medioker (cudnt giv a shit how u spell it u kno wot i mean) performances.
im afraid the only way things will ever improve is when such protests reach an even greater scale and all this chit chat on awebsite actually amounts to some kind of action.
the clubs a joke, and embarrassment to all of us.
yes we should be challenging for trophies and its not about being run according to how we want it, its about how it shouldnt be run by a fuckin clown
Its people like you John Doolan who mean that this football club will never progress past where it is coz ur too happy to accept medioker (cudnt giv a shit how u spell it u kno wot i mean) performances.
im afraid the only way things will ever improve is when such protests reach an even greater scale and all this chit chat on awebsite actually amounts to some kind of action.
the clubs a joke, and embarrassment to all of us.
Look who knows whether we will sign some more players, god i hope so. To say however that this season will most likely involve a relegation scrap is doing a disservice to the players already in the squad who have done well for us in the past with far less resources. This is a contradiction of your statement of getting behind the club, and be it that they may not achieve the success of last year, we still have a lot of talent in the squad and we know that any moyes team will always play with their heart on their sleave. Mid table finish at worst. sleave
Berry
Berry
John, couple of ’points’.
You say
"bizarrely one individual poster saying that he finds Goodison too racist and homophobic and he is off".
Nothing ’bizarre’ about that AT ALL.
I get a season ticket, even though a l continue to hear a load of hateful racist shite - if anyone is bizarre.it’s me
You also talk of..
"refusniks who said they were giving up because the club were intending to move 4 miles".
Christ, we’ve been through this a million bleedin’ times.
Those supporters won’t go, because they won’t see the club as being Everton any longer.
You are more than welcome to disagree that this would be the case, but for fucks sake accept the logic.
In other words, If you thought the club wasn’t Everton anymore, why the fuck would you go?
(and PLEASE, we all know who on here wouldn’t be arsed and who would, so let’s have another 3 months of that)
You say
"bizarrely one individual poster saying that he finds Goodison too racist and homophobic and he is off".
Nothing ’bizarre’ about that AT ALL.
I get a season ticket, even though a l continue to hear a load of hateful racist shite - if anyone is bizarre.it’s me
You also talk of..
"refusniks who said they were giving up because the club were intending to move 4 miles".
Christ, we’ve been through this a million bleedin’ times.
Those supporters won’t go, because they won’t see the club as being Everton any longer.
You are more than welcome to disagree that this would be the case, but for fucks sake accept the logic.
In other words, If you thought the club wasn’t Everton anymore, why the fuck would you go?
(and PLEASE, we all know who on here wouldn’t be arsed and who would, so let’s have another 3 months of that)
Berry......I acknowledge that a Moyes team will always play with their hearts on their sleeves but when can we expect to see a Moyes team play with the ball on the deck?
John
I don?t know how old you are, but if you are of a certain age you will remember that we have not always had great attendances. During our golden decade of the eighties we had average attendances over 30,000 just three times and one season it stood at less than 20,000. Once in our history have we had an average attendance in excess of 50,000 and that was in the sixties. In fact even our early time in the premiership saw average attendances of 19,500 and 22,800 (approx) our renaissance in attendances can be traced back to the season following our last gasp dramatic escape against Wimbledon.
Having followed the Blues as a season ticket holder from the mid 70s there is only one thing that would stop me following Everton and that is if they move outside the City. I do however understand those who chose to pack it following a disastrous summer of discontent.
John since 1992 we have been involved in relegation scraps (even under Moyes) and endured many disappointing seasons many times and the support base has held up. More importantly (to me anyway) I have witnessed Everton play some turgid, artless football (yes under David Moyes too) that has left me cold.
Some people are getting sick of football because it has become a commercial behemoth that is no longer in touch with its roots. The ?Peoples Club? and the Peoples Game are in a state of disarray. When a club (business) decides to move its home for purely commercial reasons it can?t automatically expect its supporters (customers?) to passively comply with it.
Everton Supporters are rightly dismayed and I suspect other pressing concerns such as keeping their jobs and paying their mortgages are causing them to question their loyalty to EFC.
I feel you are being a little too judgemental John
I don?t know how old you are, but if you are of a certain age you will remember that we have not always had great attendances. During our golden decade of the eighties we had average attendances over 30,000 just three times and one season it stood at less than 20,000. Once in our history have we had an average attendance in excess of 50,000 and that was in the sixties. In fact even our early time in the premiership saw average attendances of 19,500 and 22,800 (approx) our renaissance in attendances can be traced back to the season following our last gasp dramatic escape against Wimbledon.
Having followed the Blues as a season ticket holder from the mid 70s there is only one thing that would stop me following Everton and that is if they move outside the City. I do however understand those who chose to pack it following a disastrous summer of discontent.
John since 1992 we have been involved in relegation scraps (even under Moyes) and endured many disappointing seasons many times and the support base has held up. More importantly (to me anyway) I have witnessed Everton play some turgid, artless football (yes under David Moyes too) that has left me cold.
Some people are getting sick of football because it has become a commercial behemoth that is no longer in touch with its roots. The ?Peoples Club? and the Peoples Game are in a state of disarray. When a club (business) decides to move its home for purely commercial reasons it can?t automatically expect its supporters (customers?) to passively comply with it.
Everton Supporters are rightly dismayed and I suspect other pressing concerns such as keeping their jobs and paying their mortgages are causing them to question their loyalty to EFC.
I feel you are being a little too judgemental John
If supporters are giving up because were not in the trohy hunt, don’t you think they would have given up after 1995?!?. Wake up.
John, I’ve had a season ticket for years and Kirkby is closer to my home than GP but would put at least an hour and a half before and after each game to get there and back with my passengers so that argument falls on it’s arse.
Your other feeble argument about the moral high ground, last time I checked Everton FC didn’t give away free tickets or transport to and from the game, free fuel for your car, free parking (if you do pay), free road tax, free insurance, etc so anyone that decides not to go will be doing so at their own expense and choice, again if they decide that’s how they want to protest then it’s their free democratic choice.
And Doddy are you going to grow a spine and answer, does the cash available since August 15th when the Sky money for this season came online mean that your beloved lied about funds being available all summer? For every post you put on I’ll keep asking until you answer or if anyone drinks down the freshy and sees a strange guy wearing rose tinted specs and an I Luv Bill t-shirt on can you ask him for me.
Your other feeble argument about the moral high ground, last time I checked Everton FC didn’t give away free tickets or transport to and from the game, free fuel for your car, free parking (if you do pay), free road tax, free insurance, etc so anyone that decides not to go will be doing so at their own expense and choice, again if they decide that’s how they want to protest then it’s their free democratic choice.
And Doddy are you going to grow a spine and answer, does the cash available since August 15th when the Sky money for this season came online mean that your beloved lied about funds being available all summer? For every post you put on I’ll keep asking until you answer or if anyone drinks down the freshy and sees a strange guy wearing rose tinted specs and an I Luv Bill t-shirt on can you ask him for me.
Let’s face it football supporters are the biggest mugs on the planet. Part of me would dearly like to pack in my season tickets to show this shower my utter contempt for them but going to the match with my son is such a deep-seated part of my life that it would be nigh impossible to stop. And don’t the men at the top of EFC know that there are thousands of addicts out there who will shell out their money no matter how much they are abused, excluded and deceived ? So we perpetuate our misery. It’s only £££ that matter. More than anything else I pray for the toal collapse of the Premiership ’thing’ and a return to sane, financially viable, affordable football. I never pined to see a multi-national football team in the 60s or 80s and gained just as much pleasure from seeing home grown talent as I do from these so-called super stars. And you know, things do come around, and a collapse of the present set up is an inevitable part of the economic cycle.
Ray Burn.
You use the word. "Ingratitude."
What in god’s name have we got to be gratefull about ?
It is the club that is showing ingrtitude, not the fans.
They should be down on bended knee’s grovelling to the fans for their support after the way they have treated us over the last couple of months. And dare i say it long befor that as well.
It is fans like you that accept mediocrity and the lies and deciept that the club love.
Get a grip pal. We have nothing to be gratefull for.
You use the word. "Ingratitude."
What in god’s name have we got to be gratefull about ?
It is the club that is showing ingrtitude, not the fans.
They should be down on bended knee’s grovelling to the fans for their support after the way they have treated us over the last couple of months. And dare i say it long befor that as well.
It is fans like you that accept mediocrity and the lies and deciept that the club love.
Get a grip pal. We have nothing to be gratefull for.
Richard, what’s with the ’so-called Evertonians’ jibe?
You surely wouldn’t deny people the right to protest and complain?
I’d be delighted to wear 2 poached eggs and an omelette on 2 Sept; but, I’d still be angry at the the way the club has conducted itself this close-season
We fans are treated by your chums as a - for the foreseeable future - necessary burden and, in the main, as beneath contempt
I hope you’re right, for once, but the blatant lies, deceit and sheer bungling from the custodians of our club this Summer leave a very nasty taste
You surely wouldn’t deny people the right to protest and complain?
I’d be delighted to wear 2 poached eggs and an omelette on 2 Sept; but, I’d still be angry at the the way the club has conducted itself this close-season
We fans are treated by your chums as a - for the foreseeable future - necessary burden and, in the main, as beneath contempt
I hope you’re right, for once, but the blatant lies, deceit and sheer bungling from the custodians of our club this Summer leave a very nasty taste
John Doolan
As one of the principle moaners on here (But only about the board) let me tell you I have followed Everton home and away since 1958 and will continue to do so because its in my blood.
However that does not give me or you any right to call others "soft" supporters or anyless Evertonians than you just because they are disillusioned by what’s going on in fact there’s an argument that they care even more and because the awful way that Kenwright is running this club is hurting them so much they cannot face it any longer.
As for the DK refusniks as you call us we have very right to object to a move that would have left Everton with a championship level stadium in the middle of nowhere with a massive debt attached to it and all so that Bullshit Billy and his pals could make a nice little earner.
You and Doddy need to understand that most supporters see that Kenwright is running this club into the ground despite the success on the pitch and it has now reached a head where a lot of supporters have had enough.
If the club were truthful and didnt lie and deceive the supporters so much I might have a bit more sympathy for your point of view but for me and many others deceipt is the worst form of treatment and its treating our loyal (yes loyal)supporters abysmally.
FYI given our relative lack of success in a city where the RS have dominated for the last 35 years our support has been tremendously loyal and our gates would stand comparison to any other club (Except maybe Newcastle) with the same limited success.
And Doddy you did take those rose tinted specs off for one day last week I just hope you dont have to take them off for good next week.
As one of the principle moaners on here (But only about the board) let me tell you I have followed Everton home and away since 1958 and will continue to do so because its in my blood.
However that does not give me or you any right to call others "soft" supporters or anyless Evertonians than you just because they are disillusioned by what’s going on in fact there’s an argument that they care even more and because the awful way that Kenwright is running this club is hurting them so much they cannot face it any longer.
As for the DK refusniks as you call us we have very right to object to a move that would have left Everton with a championship level stadium in the middle of nowhere with a massive debt attached to it and all so that Bullshit Billy and his pals could make a nice little earner.
You and Doddy need to understand that most supporters see that Kenwright is running this club into the ground despite the success on the pitch and it has now reached a head where a lot of supporters have had enough.
If the club were truthful and didnt lie and deceive the supporters so much I might have a bit more sympathy for your point of view but for me and many others deceipt is the worst form of treatment and its treating our loyal (yes loyal)supporters abysmally.
FYI given our relative lack of success in a city where the RS have dominated for the last 35 years our support has been tremendously loyal and our gates would stand comparison to any other club (Except maybe Newcastle) with the same limited success.
And Doddy you did take those rose tinted specs off for one day last week I just hope you dont have to take them off for good next week.
The service in the States is so superior to the shite you get in the UK for one reason, They moan like fuck if they dont get what they pay for
Here we get people adopting the must’nt grumble attitude, whilst moaning like fuck at the people who demand better
Continue to accept shite and you’ll only ever get shite
Anyone who thinks objections to DK were about 4 miles, has clearly learned nothing about the fanbase anyway
Here we get people adopting the must’nt grumble attitude, whilst moaning like fuck at the people who demand better
Continue to accept shite and you’ll only ever get shite
Anyone who thinks objections to DK were about 4 miles, has clearly learned nothing about the fanbase anyway
Nelly Blythe for PM I say great post and I couldnt agree more !!
Spoken from the heart and no messing.
Spoken from the heart and no messing.
Its odd that no-one else has commented on Nellys post - the best one on here fo ages.
THE TRUTH OBVIOUSLY HURTS !!
THE TRUTH OBVIOUSLY HURTS !!
Chris Leyland, are you messin? why? because we’re Everton and thats what our expectations should be.
or are you just content with the fact that we’ve managed to finish top (excluding the top 4) of a fairly average league?
grom some fuckin balls and have a bit of ambition.
are you Bill Kenwright in disguise?
or are you just content with the fact that we’ve managed to finish top (excluding the top 4) of a fairly average league?
grom some fuckin balls and have a bit of ambition.
are you Bill Kenwright in disguise?
Gav.
Doddy won’t answer you because he knows NOTHING !
He constantly posts on here stating that we will soon have to bow down to BB and DM.
Signings will be iminent etc etc.
Doddy either put up or shut up !
It’s becoming tedious and you are winding me up.
You constantly move the goalposts with your claims, ie. We will get 5 or 6 players in etc. Now it’s a handfull ?
I have no doubt that whatever the quality of player we get in( if any ), class or journeyman crap. You will be the first to champion them in the name of your beloved duo.
Doddy won’t answer you because he knows NOTHING !
He constantly posts on here stating that we will soon have to bow down to BB and DM.
Signings will be iminent etc etc.
Doddy either put up or shut up !
It’s becoming tedious and you are winding me up.
You constantly move the goalposts with your claims, ie. We will get 5 or 6 players in etc. Now it’s a handfull ?
I have no doubt that whatever the quality of player we get in( if any ), class or journeyman crap. You will be the first to champion them in the name of your beloved duo.
Some beggars don?t deserve money because they use it to validate failure. So why should we validate ineptitude?
I have known supporters who have risked bankruptcy for a season ticket. Others have juggled a mortgage or student fees for the love of an institution of millionaires? if they walk, are they soft?
To the guy who earns £800 a month and spends £40 on a ticket? you are this club! Just because they can?t get his money doesn?t mean they won?t have his heart.
I remember one Neville Southall refusing to go to the dressing room at half time. He sat there for 15 minutes leaning on a goalpost ? not an Evertonian???
But why should they care? We are just disposable faces in an endless crowd, right?
No! Too many faces in the crowd and they don?t see you. Too many voices chanting their name and they don?t hear you. Sometimes the only way to be heard is to be silent.
We are not an S&M club. We don?t say thank you for treating me like I don’t belong. Here have some money... again please, continue!
The dressing room is the only good thing at Everton right now, so get behind the team I will. But if the cancer in the boardroom spreads throughout the club I for one won?t be funding it.
I have known supporters who have risked bankruptcy for a season ticket. Others have juggled a mortgage or student fees for the love of an institution of millionaires? if they walk, are they soft?
To the guy who earns £800 a month and spends £40 on a ticket? you are this club! Just because they can?t get his money doesn?t mean they won?t have his heart.
I remember one Neville Southall refusing to go to the dressing room at half time. He sat there for 15 minutes leaning on a goalpost ? not an Evertonian???
But why should they care? We are just disposable faces in an endless crowd, right?
No! Too many faces in the crowd and they don?t see you. Too many voices chanting their name and they don?t hear you. Sometimes the only way to be heard is to be silent.
We are not an S&M club. We don?t say thank you for treating me like I don’t belong. Here have some money... again please, continue!
The dressing room is the only good thing at Everton right now, so get behind the team I will. But if the cancer in the boardroom spreads throughout the club I for one won?t be funding it.
Oh and by the way Doddy.
Explain what you mean by.
"So called Evertonians."
I find that remark very offensive.
Explain what you mean by.
"So called Evertonians."
I find that remark very offensive.
I was at the Blackburn game amid fears of a home boycott in protest of the handling of the club - attendance 38675. To put that in perspective, we had less for the Fiorentina match last year. So much for fans leaving in their droves.
The cold hard facts of this whole debacle is that while fans continue to pay 30 notes to watch a team with an average age less than that of the Chinese girls? Olympic gymnastics team, the farce will continue. It?s all very well hiding behind a keyboard and saying you?re giving up going to see Everton because there?s always some other masochistic sod behind you that will pay said 30 notes to watch the paint drying on the pillars of the Main Stand.
We?ve been here before as Evertonians - yet we stuck with the club through thick and thin. What?s changed? Has the glory of the last few years raised our hopes too much? Should we expect anything less from the incompetent board? And if we?ve been through this before and come through it for the better: a) why give up now and b) why the hell are you still here if this is how you treat the series of disappointments?
Some of you do need to get a grip. Seriously. Take up a hobby or something - anything to get away from the keyboard that you?re doing a lot of damage with.
Yours in pleading,
An Evertonian in Search of Some Unity
The cold hard facts of this whole debacle is that while fans continue to pay 30 notes to watch a team with an average age less than that of the Chinese girls? Olympic gymnastics team, the farce will continue. It?s all very well hiding behind a keyboard and saying you?re giving up going to see Everton because there?s always some other masochistic sod behind you that will pay said 30 notes to watch the paint drying on the pillars of the Main Stand.
We?ve been here before as Evertonians - yet we stuck with the club through thick and thin. What?s changed? Has the glory of the last few years raised our hopes too much? Should we expect anything less from the incompetent board? And if we?ve been through this before and come through it for the better: a) why give up now and b) why the hell are you still here if this is how you treat the series of disappointments?
Some of you do need to get a grip. Seriously. Take up a hobby or something - anything to get away from the keyboard that you?re doing a lot of damage with.
Yours in pleading,
An Evertonian in Search of Some Unity
I trust Doddy will come back on the site and explain to us all what happened when we don't sign any players...
Ahoy there, Mr. Doolan ... it’s the oversensitive chap who has withdrawnhis bit of cash from the club because of racism and homophobia.
Just wondered, any reason I would want to spend time in the company of a group of Nazis who are only there because people like you don’t do anything about it.
Just wondered.
Back to the flwoer arranging now. Have oodles of fun on whatever planet you find yourself on.
Just wondered, any reason I would want to spend time in the company of a group of Nazis who are only there because people like you don’t do anything about it.
Just wondered.
Back to the flwoer arranging now. Have oodles of fun on whatever planet you find yourself on.
Stamp me vitals, that should, of course, have been vitals.
Despite my dyslexia, however, I genuinely wonder how anyone with even the most tenuous grasp of reality can assume that supporting any sporting club is more important than human rights.
Despite my dyslexia, however, I genuinely wonder how anyone with even the most tenuous grasp of reality can assume that supporting any sporting club is more important than human rights.
The fans are just whinging, because we’ve had a very frustrating summer. We’re still going to go the games though coz we’re Evertonians and are born blue. I don’t think you’d beable to say the same about many teams. Look at Chelsea half their fans have only started going because they’ve spent loads of money on new players. If they were in our situation they’d all move on. Also when was the last time Man City sold out they barely get their ground half full. They only get about 33,000 now nevermind when they were in league one. And where has this "if we’re not challenging for trophies we’re not going to go the games" come from? What about the last 13 years of winning nothing and we’ve still got behind the team through thick and thin, including sell out relegation battles in the 90’s. And if you think we’ve got a large core of softer support, you need to look across Stanley Park or wherever these so called Liverpool fans hang out-infront of the telly!
Mike McClean - FYI I have on 2 occasions nearly taken a kicking for objecting to racist language. I class your reason for not going as bizarre as things are 1000% better now than in the 80s and you went then so why not go now
Mr Lynch.The last time I counted my fingers, I had five-a handful.Doh!
So-called supporters are those who pledge allegance to the cause but rejoice in bad news and spend their whole time criticising almost everything to do with EFC.
Most of us-the great majority -seek to remain positive,seeing our support of Everton as a source of joy rather than perpetual misery and believe,above all,that our club is in good hands-on and off the field. OK?
So-called supporters are those who pledge allegance to the cause but rejoice in bad news and spend their whole time criticising almost everything to do with EFC.
Most of us-the great majority -seek to remain positive,seeing our support of Everton as a source of joy rather than perpetual misery and believe,above all,that our club is in good hands-on and off the field. OK?
Why people feel the inclination to make posts like this intrigues me no end.Is it because they’re struggling with their own commitment to the cause, they feel the need to lash out at those who have decided enough is enough and stopped going the game because they’re totally disillusioned with what is going on with Everton and indeed football itself right now? Deep down wouldn’t they really like to be able to do the same themselves and walk away? Whatever reasons people have for continuing to go or not going anymore is entirely personal to them surely?... Isn’t it? My point is that I can relate to the feelings of both the diehards and the waverers right now such is the disappointment I feel inside at how events surrounding Everton have unfolded over the last three months. It’s not just the financial aspect of following Blues (considerable as it is) at the moment that is hurting me so much as the emotional one of seemingly wasting precious limited leisure time blindly following the club as it careers towards certain oblivion under its present guardians. I love Everton as we all do and always will but the hope and optimism I’ve felt regenerated by our progress in the last six years after fifteen years of us wandering blindly in the dark; has been stripped asunder by the obvious and stark reality of our current situation. I feel badly let down ,not by Moyes, in the main he’s fulfilled his remit to the letter, establishing us as a consistent top six side competing in Europe and the like on a budget far inferior to that of our peers, the Spurs, the Villas etc . Now, at precisely the time the club needs to back him with genuine financial investment to further our ambitions (judging by this summer’s farcical events) we can’t help but conclude the club is all but completely broke! So this is one Evertonian who is seriously considering his options right now in regards to my future support whilst Mr. Kenwright remains in charge. I reserve the right to withdraw it as I see fit if things continue as they are. What I don’t need or deserve is to have some question my loyalty to the club if that should be the case.For now I’ll be at the Hawthorns tomorrow hoping we make some amends for last week. One day at a time eh? COYB!
Oh Doddy,
I’d love to visit your world sometime but there’s this illusionist I think he’s called Black Bill and he keeps doing evil things like wanting to whisk a magnificant stadium away and drop it into a cowshed and he keeps making spaces and he’s absolutely unbelievable at making money disappear and even though he keeps telling me I should visit your world I know if I try he will turn me into a rabbit and put me in his hat.
I’d love to visit your world sometime but there’s this illusionist I think he’s called Black Bill and he keeps doing evil things like wanting to whisk a magnificant stadium away and drop it into a cowshed and he keeps making spaces and he’s absolutely unbelievable at making money disappear and even though he keeps telling me I should visit your world I know if I try he will turn me into a rabbit and put me in his hat.
Richard,
Your attitude typifies what’s wrong with our politicians - blind loyalty to The Party even when it’s obvious the Party is inept and bad for the country
If we all had your blinkered, child-like devotion, we’d never object to anything; surely even a yes-man like you can’t still believe that all is well in Evertonia?
As for the majority support - where you there on Sat? Did you not feel the anger at the shambles we witnessed? Did you see Moyesey’s face? Are you so daft that you didn’t even realise how upset and despondent the crowd was?
Ostrich, head, sand
Your attitude typifies what’s wrong with our politicians - blind loyalty to The Party even when it’s obvious the Party is inept and bad for the country
If we all had your blinkered, child-like devotion, we’d never object to anything; surely even a yes-man like you can’t still believe that all is well in Evertonia?
As for the majority support - where you there on Sat? Did you not feel the anger at the shambles we witnessed? Did you see Moyesey’s face? Are you so daft that you didn’t even realise how upset and despondent the crowd was?
Ostrich, head, sand
So it doesn’t matter about the first three games of the season, hey, Richard? They’re irrelevant.
The real action starts on September 2nd after some arbitrary transfer cut-off point? And if the club has signed a bag-full of players by then we’re meant to rejoice and blithely ignore the time wasted during the close season?
Instead of claiming that anyone who has dared to object to the scandalous way our club has been managed this summer will have egg-on-their-face come 2nd September, you’d better hope, for Everton’s sake, that come the end of the season we don’t seriously rue the points already lost against Blackburn.
Whichever end of the table we happen to be at.
The real action starts on September 2nd after some arbitrary transfer cut-off point? And if the club has signed a bag-full of players by then we’re meant to rejoice and blithely ignore the time wasted during the close season?
Instead of claiming that anyone who has dared to object to the scandalous way our club has been managed this summer will have egg-on-their-face come 2nd September, you’d better hope, for Everton’s sake, that come the end of the season we don’t seriously rue the points already lost against Blackburn.
Whichever end of the table we happen to be at.
Paul Walsh - spot on. Corporal Jones style posts they are. Rushing to the fore to warn everyone not to panic; when the truth is, deep-down, they’re the ones panicking most of all.
20,000 if we went down? What planet are you on pal? Everton’s support has always galvanised when are backs are against the wall, as the relegation fights of the nineties showed. If You Know Your History you’d know that.
As for ’DK Refusniks’ - don’t expect us to apologise just because we have the intelligence to question a plan that has been unraveling at the seems since the word go whilst others blindly follow without question.
As for ’DK Refusniks’ - don’t expect us to apologise just because we have the intelligence to question a plan that has been unraveling at the seems since the word go whilst others blindly follow without question.
Ed Fitzgerald - in fairness, as one of a certain vintage, I feel compelled to point out that you are failing to set the correct context for poor attendances years ago. The fact is, only Man Utd ever had regular attendances over 35,000 and most top flight Clubs failed to hit 20,000 regularly. Despite winning god knows how many trophies throughout this time Liverpool never averaged more than 38,000 and rarely played to full houses even at a diminutive Anfield. Everton’s attendances were always amongst the front runners.
Regarding our not having sold out for West Brom, I’m sure we will have by Saturday but be aware that a lot of us are refusing to go in protest at the £40 WBA are charging. They are taking the piss. I’m not funding someone else’s Club to the tune of £40 - I would rather take my son to three games at Goodison with the money instead - at least that way our Club gets the cash.
Regarding our not having sold out for West Brom, I’m sure we will have by Saturday but be aware that a lot of us are refusing to go in protest at the £40 WBA are charging. They are taking the piss. I’m not funding someone else’s Club to the tune of £40 - I would rather take my son to three games at Goodison with the money instead - at least that way our Club gets the cash.
Ed
As one of equally aged vintage I ask you to simply peruse Toffeewebs own attendance statistics. Ed please state which decade you refer to??
As one of equally aged vintage I ask you to simply peruse Toffeewebs own attendance statistics. Ed please state which decade you refer to??
No, Mr Dodd.
It is not ok ?
Our club is in a worse state than ever. And all you can do is post on here like some sycophantic arse licker.
How many is a handful. 5?
So if we don?t sign the stated 5 you are so confident we will get. What then?
Suppose you will put more positive deluded spin on things?
As for "So called Evertonians".
It WAS an offensive remark. OK?
It is not ok ?
Our club is in a worse state than ever. And all you can do is post on here like some sycophantic arse licker.
How many is a handful. 5?
So if we don?t sign the stated 5 you are so confident we will get. What then?
Suppose you will put more positive deluded spin on things?
As for "So called Evertonians".
It WAS an offensive remark. OK?
No Mr Dodd.
It is not ok ?
Our club is in a worse state than ever. And all you can do is post on here like some sycophantic arse licker.
How many is a handfull . 5 ?
So if we don’t sign the stated 5 you are so confident we will get. What then ?
Suppose you will put more positive deluded spin on things ?
As for "So called Evertonians".
It WAS an offensive remark. OK ?
It is not ok ?
Our club is in a worse state than ever. And all you can do is post on here like some sycophantic arse licker.
How many is a handfull . 5 ?
So if we don’t sign the stated 5 you are so confident we will get. What then ?
Suppose you will put more positive deluded spin on things ?
As for "So called Evertonians".
It WAS an offensive remark. OK ?
Richard: read the following, inwardly digest it and then reach for the indigestion tablets.
This is what David Moyes was saying whilst you were spouting that "egg on face" nonsense.
Sorry for being so blunt, Richard but frankly I am bloody furious at this...and so should you be!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1048379/Don-8217-t-look-warns-Everton-manager-Moyes-transfer-search-continues.html?ITO=1490
This is what David Moyes was saying whilst you were spouting that "egg on face" nonsense.
Sorry for being so blunt, Richard but frankly I am bloody furious at this...and so should you be!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1048379/Don-8217-t-look-warns-Everton-manager-Moyes-transfer-search-continues.html?ITO=1490
First game of the season and I went with hope in my heart new season ticket in hand.
Walking into the ground I looked around to see not a pristine welcoming sight but a shabby in need of a good lick of paint ground. More becoming a Championship team. We have people running the club with a 3rd rate mentallity who don’t seem to know how to run a business let alone a premiership club and don’t give a damn about the supporters who are there and will be there when they have gone..
Maybe thats why we can’t attract players we want they listen, look and don’t believe in the people running the club.
I’m begining to sound like one of the whinging fans I’ve come to worry about which is not what I wanted or am I one of those lets get behind them no matter what. If its wrong lets tell them its wrong but lets get on with it and keep trying.
I hope we get the players Moyes wants and needs. We have a crop of good young players coming through. But you don’t win anything with kids do you!!!
Final thought what is it Born a Blue not bought or BRed
Walking into the ground I looked around to see not a pristine welcoming sight but a shabby in need of a good lick of paint ground. More becoming a Championship team. We have people running the club with a 3rd rate mentallity who don’t seem to know how to run a business let alone a premiership club and don’t give a damn about the supporters who are there and will be there when they have gone..
Maybe thats why we can’t attract players we want they listen, look and don’t believe in the people running the club.
I’m begining to sound like one of the whinging fans I’ve come to worry about which is not what I wanted or am I one of those lets get behind them no matter what. If its wrong lets tell them its wrong but lets get on with it and keep trying.
I hope we get the players Moyes wants and needs. We have a crop of good young players coming through. But you don’t win anything with kids do you!!!
Final thought what is it Born a Blue not bought or BRed
I feel David Moyes’ statements in that article are confirming the things most of us ’whingers’ have been on about
Doddy, we both know David’s a truthful man - he’s been badly let down by this destitute Board and his anger is showing
Dare you go on defendig the indefensible? Come on...let’s hear it
Doddy, we both know David’s a truthful man - he’s been badly let down by this destitute Board and his anger is showing
Dare you go on defendig the indefensible? Come on...let’s hear it
I really have nothing to defend.Like the vast majority of Evertonians,I believe that Bill Kenwright has done an excellent job over the past nine years and he is respected throughout the game.
Clearly the Club had cash-flow problems in high summer but I believe this have now been resolved and present difficulties are more to do with the mechanics of signing players than the cash on offer.
Call me a sycophant if you will but no chairman in the Prem works harder for his club FOR NO REMUNERATION than our leader.
For God Sake,show him some respect!
Clearly the Club had cash-flow problems in high summer but I believe this have now been resolved and present difficulties are more to do with the mechanics of signing players than the cash on offer.
Call me a sycophant if you will but no chairman in the Prem works harder for his club FOR NO REMUNERATION than our leader.
For God Sake,show him some respect!
When I read John Doolan’s post I thought that I had travlled back in time about 40 years.
There is a fine line (well actually there isn’t really) between loyalty and down right naivety! You John, are beyond naivety and your post sounds like it was written from a time gone by! We are no longer (sadly?) in an era like that portrayed in the Golden Vision the other night.
You and the rest of us are having the piss taken out of us on a grand scale and like our politicians, Bill no longer has my respect and support as he has taken the piss out of me for the last time. So you continue with your deluded rant that we are all wrong and you are right to continue pissing your money away because we are not naive.
Ray Burn, what glory has been hunted?!?! Do you think a trip abroad is now seen as glory for a club that has a motto like it has?
Nelly Blythe, top post. If only there was sense like that in the majority!! The liar would have been raced out of town a long time ago.
There is a fine line (well actually there isn’t really) between loyalty and down right naivety! You John, are beyond naivety and your post sounds like it was written from a time gone by! We are no longer (sadly?) in an era like that portrayed in the Golden Vision the other night.
You and the rest of us are having the piss taken out of us on a grand scale and like our politicians, Bill no longer has my respect and support as he has taken the piss out of me for the last time. So you continue with your deluded rant that we are all wrong and you are right to continue pissing your money away because we are not naive.
Ray Burn, what glory has been hunted?!?! Do you think a trip abroad is now seen as glory for a club that has a motto like it has?
Nelly Blythe, top post. If only there was sense like that in the majority!! The liar would have been raced out of town a long time ago.
Richard, you are clearly NOT like the vast majority of Evertonians.
Cash flow problems apart ("lines of credit" re-opened a few weeks ago? - what’s that all about), do not defend the indefensible.
Cash flow problems apart ("lines of credit" re-opened a few weeks ago? - what’s that all about), do not defend the indefensible.
Richard, you do yourself no favours
The club is ailing and we shouldn’t be acting like the band on he Titanic
I think you’re beyond sycophancy, rather a throwback to the ’I know my place’, cap-doffing, forelock-tugging toady forever sucking up to the lord of the manor
Apart from that...
spot on, you haven’t anything to defend
respect has to be earned
you talk bollocks
The club is ailing and we shouldn’t be acting like the band on he Titanic
I think you’re beyond sycophancy, rather a throwback to the ’I know my place’, cap-doffing, forelock-tugging toady forever sucking up to the lord of the manor
Apart from that...
spot on, you haven’t anything to defend
respect has to be earned
you talk bollocks
People,
it's time to put differences and objections behind us and show our supprt of all things Everton. The transfer window closes next week and we will have to make do with what we have available to us till the New Year.
Could the moaners and the negative people please let it lie as I think it will effect team performances and nobody wants that. So please be positive and support the team.... they need your help.
Dodd - "Like the vast majority of Evertonians,I believe that Bill Kenwright has done an excellent job over the past nine years and he is respected throughout the game"
Please rearrange the following words into a well-known phrase or saying.
Dodd - for - licking - sycophant - Richard - is - arse - an - Kenwright’s - fool - and - fuck’s licking -head - Bill - nob - dick - gullible - dupe - head (II) - incredibly - stupid - Fantasyland - fucking - sake.
(ok so it’s not well-known..............yet!)
Please rearrange the following words into a well-known phrase or saying.
Dodd - for - licking - sycophant - Richard - is - arse - an - Kenwright’s - fool - and - fuck’s licking -head - Bill - nob - dick - gullible - dupe - head (II) - incredibly - stupid - Fantasyland - fucking - sake.
(ok so it’s not well-known..............yet!)
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I just want to pick you up on one point, John: you are trying to say people can only comment (or moan and complain, as you put it) if they go to the game. Sorry, but we moved past that one a long time ago. With television and the internet there are many more fans following the club closely but who don't go to the games for one reason or another. We don't restrict comment on that basis.