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Is Moyes as fed up as we are?
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In an interview which I suspect suffered much from editing, David Moyes spoke to Sky Sports News this morning like a man resigned to having to tackle the new season with the slimmest of resources.
"We`ve known since the end of last season that we should be without Tim and one or two others, so nothing's changed there," he opined. "The kids have done well and Jack Rodwell should be a good player in three years time."
Pressed on whether he anticipated new signings,all he would offer was, "We're always looking to strengthen the squad."
The passion was absent, the eyes empty and the interviewer could have been talking to "one of us" and got the same answers! In short, I felt he talked and looked as fed up as we are.
What the hell is going on?
Brian Noble, Posted 22/08/2008 at 13:29:10
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We need players, simple as that. Players of the Bent and Kilbane mold did a job for us as seasoned professionals. We would need that type of player as backup for our star buys anyway. Might as well admit defeat and get a few in bloody quick or we'll be playing 14 year olds next!
I knew we'd miss Johnson but I wasn't quite expecting to have only 1 fit experienced striker all season!
If my boss read or heard me saying that modern business has become too complicated and that I was finding it hard to buy materials or services due to those damned middlemen I don?t think he would be my boss for very long.
If I also informed him that all those orders we had received could not be completed because I hadn?t bought any new stock and that even if the stock arrives it may be too late ? again I would be quickly acquainted with my P45.
If the shop floor staff also heard these utterances they would become de-motivated and fail to perform to an acceptable level. After all what?s the point of giving a 100% if it?s all doomed to fail.
However, that is in the real world where people who fail to cut the mustard are carpeted and dealt with for the good of the business. It would seem that every man and his dog is being blamed on Everton?s failure to address their own problems apart from those who are responsible for those failures.
Given that Alex Ferguson is closer to retiring and the supposed possibility of DM being among the front runners if that job became available - you could hardly blame the Glazer?s (and every other ambitious Football club) if they put a thick black marker pen through the name of one David Moyes.
Not too many years ago Everton Football Club would also have thought twice about a manager who publicly accepted defeat so early in the season, but that was a different time under different people. The current owners raised the white flag even before the manager followed suit.
Heard on Radio City earlier today, "Moyes warns blues fans that we will not cope this season with the current size of the squad" (or words to that effect). Even allowing for journalistic licence, what a statement of the bleedin' obvious!
What does he want me to do about it? Lend the club a few million? If he did say this, why tell me what I already know and stop using me and fellow blues as a vehicle for having a go at Kenwright?
For God sake do something about it quickly!
I've supported EFC for 47 years now so I'm not about to bale out ? but even I must admit that my enthusiasm is at an all time low.
And please don't let that Doddy fellow anywhere near me in the foreseeable future!
I sit in front of my computer-petrified... and it's not just that we have a threadbare squad but more importantly that David Moyes will not be our manager for much longer.
The build up as we plan to sign various players always follows the same pattern..
Look at a good player > Shout out that we are interested in him > Spend days/weeks speculating about it > Admit that his wage demands/sellout clause is too high but we are offering him a year's supply of Mars bars instead > player considers it since his present club are torturing him > Player refuses to sign with us as his present club have changed their ways and are very nice to him.(maybe some Mars bars thrown in too).
This kind of treatment on loyal fans is terrible...we deserve much better than this..even teams like West Brom sign something like 8 or 9 players in the summer to bolster their squad. There hasn't been a day all summer that haven't switched on my computer and hoped that we have already signed a new player. I don't know what the Board are up to but there is no excuse that can save them from the abuse that we are heaping on them.
My biggest worry, like I said at the beginning, is that Moyes will not sign his contract and end up walking away from the club that he should be leading to the next level. Will he go as an assistant at a big club? Will he manage a lower division team? I'm not sure what he will do but I do know this: If he does leave I'm not sure I can find it in me to forgive the Board for the way they treated him. I'm hoping against hope that I'm wrong and we do sign him on for a few more years and maybe even get a few players to bolster our squad... but that's just a prayer of mine.
I don’t believe we can even say that Moyes has taken us to as far as he could because he has been the most restricted manager in the Prem, even though he has been one of the most successful in relation to finishing position wise.
Everton FC and the clowns upstairs have taken Moyes as far as he can go and have really taken the piss out of him; I wouldn’t be surprised if he went right after the end of the transfer window and don’t be surprised as to where he will go; Manu!
After today’s game, I expect an announcement: "The Board and David Moyes have agreed to part ways. Blah, blah blah...."
The DM era is over. What next ? Do we have enough time to recover this season ?
At this stage, I would be happy if we stay in the Premier League next season.
If he was going to leave he should have left as son as the borad said you’ve got 2 million plus AJ. Then at least someone else would have been able to plan on how to survive this season.
I’ve just read an interview with Moyes on the Daily Mirror web site. Moyes is quoted as saying ...
?Last year people were saying Everton could be the team to break through, and they?re not saying it this time. Why is that?
?I now have to look at bringing in five or six who would cost no money.?
Clearly,Kenwright has lied all along about money being available.It became apparent last week that Moyes disputed the boards claims that money has been there since the end of last season. Moyes is as pissed off as you or I, the difference is that he is supposed to be the man fielding a team each week. I wouldn’t blame him if he were to walk on Sept 2nd. It’s the prats who are supposed to be doing the "negotiating" that should walk.Moyes has told them who he would like and it’s their job to cobble up a deal, not his.Kenwright ha been doing the negotiating after Wyeness jumped ship and it’s obviously too much for him.After all,"He’s only a fan like us". And you don’t get many clubs wanting to loan their best players or take £1m now and the rest...er ...when we can afford it.
Not sure which one of you is right, there’s probably some truth in both your posts.
I think we are worse than skint, but for some reason the club - not just individuals - are trying desperately hard not to admit it
I for one would give the club total and absolute support if they made a statement telling us we’re pennyless, but I’m finding it increasingly difficult to give unconditional support to a group of people who only break silence to put out Cryptic statements that no one seems to fully understand
It has got so bad that more people here are beginning to recognise that myself, Tony Marsh and others have not being talking shit but expressing the very real fear that all is not well at EFC and hard times are ahead. Istead of the regular scoffers getting on our back maybe now you will realise there was some merit in our views.
The fans are powerless in this matter in many ways. Kenwrong and Wyness and Moyes are all in it up to their necks. Moyes maybe dispirited but he still takes home £3M a year - not bad for a loser!! So yes, there’s something seriously wrong at EFC and it makes me sad but I also realise that there’s little I can do about it and I also have the freedom to walk away from this laughing stock whenever I want. The plonker talking yesterday about ingratitude is alarmingly simplistic and misguided. This is about recongnising when something is coming to an end and making brave decisions to act. Just like New Labour, I think for Everton FC it maybe over.
The question, therefore, is who’s to blame for this mess? Tony Marsh, me or the so-called guardians of our Club - Kenwrong, Wyness(until recently) and Moyes? Make you mind up. Is Moyes as fed up as me? - NO and never will be, he can move on to other jobs, but supporting EFC is for life!
Davey is entitled to be upset.Time and time again,he has been let down by people charged(or more accurately ,paid)with completing deals-and I am not referring to Everton people in this statement.PIni and his ilk have served the club very badly this summer and BB and Moysey have now added the chore of direct negotiation to their jobs list.
However,THE MONEY IS THERE-the chairman has said so time and time again and none of us has any reason to dispute that.I remain totally confident that the coming days will see a flurry of activity in which a number of top flight players will join us.
Then,perhaps,a few of you will say sorry, we got it all wrong!
If you profess to have inside knowledge, you will be able to answer these questions. If you don’t, people will again see you for I suspect you really are - a deluded ideallist.
Answers by the time I get back from WBA please!
I no longer have direct access to information having fallen foul of the EFC Media Head but I do get ’tittle tattle’ that comes out of that august body.
My UNDERSTANDING is that money WAS available early in the summer-on guarantees provided by Phil Green and his Board nominee,Robert Earl.
For whatever reason,these guarantees were suspended about eight weeks ago and only re-instated on 15th August. So ,technically, it is true to say that had the money been committed early doors, Davey would have had his players.
For whatever reason-and both Keith Wyness and Pini Zihvavy- are allegedly being held responsible-this didn’t happen and BB and Davey are now left to pick up the pieces.
As you know, I have repeatedly asked Mr Ross &Co to come upfront over this issue as I believe that the majority of Evertonians,would , like me,be sympathetic. Unfortunately,he has declined to do so and has now painted me as ’just another anti’.
All I can say,Ray,is that I do share your concern but , unlike you and so many others,continue to have confidence in our Chairman to ’get it right’ in the end.
Its clear as day. He wont puit up with this shite because he is a winner. we shouldnt either.
I just wish we would get a bit of honesty then maybe us blues would be a bit more patient.
1 question
Who appointed the negotiators?
I see you now admit that the Goodison Politburo have been lying
I’m sure many of us in life have had to come clean and admit painful truths; I agree with you that it we were, even now, told the truth there would be a relieved measure of understanding
However, It’s pbvious that the moral cowards and arrogant charlatans running our club are beyond even this modicum of decency
The reckoning can’t be far away
He’s obviously failed on both counts so I hope BB didn’t pay him up front!
Mind you that would be a first,I’m telling you!
Dodd provides absolutely no fact and just serves to wind people up. Dodd doesn’t even make sense - money’s available, then it isn’t then it is. Now it’s all this agent’s fault. It’s all just made up crap and this inability to lay any blame and Kenwright or Moyes’s door makes me think Dodd is nothing more than a wind up.
That is the exact same reaction I had. If I spoke that way about my job and my boss heard me, I’d be out of that job in a heartbeat. To have such an openly defeatist attitude for a manager is disastrous. I fear we could be in big trouble if this next week doesn’t go well. If we get even 2 players in before the window closes I think we’ll be okay, granted that they’re midfielders. We could at least get through to January. But then I worry that we would hear this same tone from Moyes the entire first half of the season up until the January window. But there is no way BK could retain Moyes if this attitude persists.
Does nobody brief the agents and control them?
IMO there is only one consistent theme since Kenwright took over and that?s deceipt,fantasy and incompetence all in equal measures.
Paul Gregg who only got involved with EFC because he was a friend of Kenwrights saw through him over the KD fiasco.
Then BK had the temerity to generate a campaign to discredit Gregg and "pretend" that he had investment (Fortress Sports fund)coming.
I have no doubt that he told Moyes we would make "BIG" signings he said as much to the supporters only 2 weeks ago with his "watch this space routine" and "I have seen the Dvd?s of players we?re looking to buy and I say wow".
Now Moyes has seen what he refused to acknowledge in previous seasons that Kenwright is a downright LIAR.
Those supporters blaming Moyes and excusing Kenwright have very short memories.
Kenwright is a lying,deceitful disaster waiting to happen and now EFC is suffering because of it.
If he doesnt resign soon he?s an absolute disgrace of a man.
he would have been nice to see him squirm even more than he did!
He genuinely thinks the sun shines out of the arses of Kenwright and Myles because Bill once sent him some comps for Blood brothers and Davey signed a christening card for his kid.
Ask for me,I’ll be glad to introduce you!
You can’t complete the orders if the boss man doesn’t give you the budget to purchase the materials in the first place.
I would suggest you go pick some pickled pepper and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine in BK’s world.
To all and sundry, when speaking in public you are told to imagine the audience (who might intimidate you, ha, fat chance doddy ) in their underwear, well when you read Doddy’s claptrap imagine the voice as that untrustworthy computer.
And no Doddy, you won’t dream.
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