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Big Wake Up Call Required!
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David Moyes needs a big wake up call; he was once respected when recruiting local talented players who shared a passion and loyalty to play for Everton Football Club for a portion of the price of these greedy foreign reject flop players he now chases. He has clearly put his team into possibly its most venerable position in years with an anorexic teamsheet, sacrificing local talent for cash to buy imported greedy reject players who want nothing to do with this club.
These arrogant rejected foreign flop midfielders who simply and shamefully feel embarrassed to have any involvement with Everton are offered ridiculous amounts of wages and it's an insult to us that their even approached by David Moyes. David Moyes should be held responsible for the fragile position he has put this club in now.
Moyes needs a reality check, the clock is ticking for a tragic season if he doesn?t soon realize he is being rejected by so many of these foreigners. He needs to build this club with local talent with a passion to play, rather than a foreign reject who feels ashamed to wear the blue jumper.
With this desperate position David Moyes has now put the club into due to his endless chase of cat and mouse, other clubs are aware they can hike the price of any player Everton now want before the deadline. Great, just great, the writings on the wall!
Rob Chan, Posted 24/08/2008 at 08:03:11
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Michael Kenrick
Well, Rob, that's certainly a different viewpoint. Not sure if it has much merit... "recruiting local talented players" ? by "local" do you mean Scouse? Or English? Or British? I don't imagine Moyes has been even remotely involved in the activity of the Academy that has thrown up players like Rooney... and now Baxter ? only problem with him being his passion is probably to play for Liverpool! Pity he didn't have much impact yesterday...
Yes, I mean your own backyard, meaning the British Isles, surely these players shouldn?t be over looked or under estimated. What have these arrogant Spanish rejects got that the British Isles players couldn?t offer? Surely this waste of time searching for greedy foriegn players who lack a passion to even consider playing for Everton has set this club back. Now Moyes has looked stupid because he now relies on his youth to fill the gaps that he has self-created due to being over-optimistic and not realistic.
Buy players with heart from your own shores.
Buy players with heart from your own shores.
Rob, Understand your argument but there is no more committed player than Tim Cahill...who comes from the total other side of planet earth (and Millwall of course!!)
David Moyes has been trying all summer to sign what he said yesterday, was six or seven players - and he hasn?t got one in.
"Yesterday they played a 16-year-old and a 17-year-old and they were out of their depth - and there was no surprise there. He?s trying to get six or seven players in and they can?t get anybody.
"They have offered good money for good players, they have agreed personal terms with players but for one reason or another the player then changes his mind.
"I?m talking about Tiago and Moutinho they were trying to sign and they?re paying the thick end of £20million for those two. The money is fine, but they won?t go there and that is the bottom line."
But if you?re playing for a top club abroad, a Barcelona or a Milan, why on earth would you want to go to Everton? No offence to dear old Everton, but what?s the attraction?" Moyes needs to stop wasting time and get back to basics, buy local affordable talent who want to play for this club, this is everton on a everton budget not chelsea!
"Yesterday they played a 16-year-old and a 17-year-old and they were out of their depth - and there was no surprise there. He?s trying to get six or seven players in and they can?t get anybody.
"They have offered good money for good players, they have agreed personal terms with players but for one reason or another the player then changes his mind.
"I?m talking about Tiago and Moutinho they were trying to sign and they?re paying the thick end of £20million for those two. The money is fine, but they won?t go there and that is the bottom line."
But if you?re playing for a top club abroad, a Barcelona or a Milan, why on earth would you want to go to Everton? No offence to dear old Everton, but what?s the attraction?" Moyes needs to stop wasting time and get back to basics, buy local affordable talent who want to play for this club, this is everton on a everton budget not chelsea!
Bill, Ian is that you? We are not as stupid as you think honestly!!
Stop looking for reasons to attack Moyes. Whilst he might be at fault for his part in this, he is about the only good thing to happen to Everton since Joe Royle left.
The man has performed miracles working on his budget, and with what is clearly an inept and clueless board.
Stop looking for reasons to attack Moyes. Whilst he might be at fault for his part in this, he is about the only good thing to happen to Everton since Joe Royle left.
The man has performed miracles working on his budget, and with what is clearly an inept and clueless board.
Moyes clearly underestimated the dire position he has put his club in with the recent sales of 2 of his strikers, and midfield oofloads. If he knew what was coming i think he would of re considered his actions and kept his players. Surely the manager has made an error and with this thin squad and it?s bad timing reaching the deadline cannot afford any injuries.
Now, I have to admit I am not as confident as a few weeks ago that we will get in the players we need to make this season as enjoyable as the last, but for heavens sake, it appears that neither DM nor BK can win! If we carried on competing for the £4 - 5mill "good premiership players" laced with a once a season £10 - 12 Mil investment, they?s be damned as "settling for merely keeping pace with the 4th to 10th spot teams". This closed season it APPEARS that somehow extra funds have been liberated or isolated, such that we have had a serious go at Moutinho (£16mil plus) and Mbia (£6mill and possibly a bargain). Then if that was in danger of exhausting the budget, we needed a few "try before you buy" loans that have proved successful in the past. Problem is this is "new water" we are swimming in, and we are competing with Champions League Teams? territory. Looks like we don?t yet have the tactics right, or maybe just not the draw to attract players of Champions league ambition. Can?t blame us for trying, but we need a few elastoplast measures over the next 7 days ("lowering our sights" as Moyes has warned)
Rob - judging from this article you’re either 10 years old or going through your menstrual cycle. It’s all emotion without any reason.
Calling a foreign player who didn’t ultimately join Everton a rejected flop doesn’t make it so. Moutinho is hardly a flop or a reject, now is he?
The fact of the matter is foreign players join English clubs all the time, the fact that we haven’t attracted anyone is a reflection on the powers that be at Everton.
"...rather than a foreign reject who feels ashamed to wear the blue jumper." - Please, this is just ridiculous. We’re not talking about players (a la Rooney) who could be expected to feel anything for this club. We’re talking about foreign players who view joining an English club in career terms. I’m sure they’re a lot less emotional about it than you are.
Seriously, grow up.
Calling a foreign player who didn’t ultimately join Everton a rejected flop doesn’t make it so. Moutinho is hardly a flop or a reject, now is he?
The fact of the matter is foreign players join English clubs all the time, the fact that we haven’t attracted anyone is a reflection on the powers that be at Everton.
"...rather than a foreign reject who feels ashamed to wear the blue jumper." - Please, this is just ridiculous. We’re not talking about players (a la Rooney) who could be expected to feel anything for this club. We’re talking about foreign players who view joining an English club in career terms. I’m sure they’re a lot less emotional about it than you are.
Seriously, grow up.
Xenophobia by proxy?
Rob, you ask: "What have these arrogant Spanish rejects got that the British Isles players couldn?t offer? "
Probably, in a word. Technique. Maybe even guile or craft. You know, the stuff that Spaniard Arteta brings to the team.
But for the life of me I can’t think of any "arrogant Spanish rejects" Moyes has bid on in the off season.
From memory he’s made approaches for two Portugese in Thiago and Moutinho, a Cameroonian in M’bia and supposedly tried to loan a Brazilian in Vagner Love.
Admittedly Portugal and Spain are close. like England is close to Scotland, or Wales, maybe even France - but I’m not sure you can call Portugese citizens Spaniards.
Also arrogant is defined as "making unwarrantable claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud." Your assumption that these "asrrogant Spaniards" are rejecting Everton sounds a lot like a case of the pot calling the kettle...
Probably, in a word. Technique. Maybe even guile or craft. You know, the stuff that Spaniard Arteta brings to the team.
But for the life of me I can’t think of any "arrogant Spanish rejects" Moyes has bid on in the off season.
From memory he’s made approaches for two Portugese in Thiago and Moutinho, a Cameroonian in M’bia and supposedly tried to loan a Brazilian in Vagner Love.
Admittedly Portugal and Spain are close. like England is close to Scotland, or Wales, maybe even France - but I’m not sure you can call Portugese citizens Spaniards.
Also arrogant is defined as "making unwarrantable claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud." Your assumption that these "asrrogant Spaniards" are rejecting Everton sounds a lot like a case of the pot calling the kettle...
Let’s face it,Everton FC have fucked up big time this summer and NO ONE is without blame.Wyness is being labelled as the villain of the piece as he was nominally the chief negotiator but Kenwright took some of the responsibility from him by getting Zihavey involved via his mate Phil Green.In the end they were all running round in circles and I know that in one instance both Wyness and Zihavey put totally different bids in for the same player on the same day!
Moyes was happy to ’leave it to the experts’and kept coming up with targets which were-to say the least-ambitious.
Until the release of the Sky money on 15th August,Green INSISTED in being involved with any deals that were to be made with HIS money (understandably) but played hardball with all the clubs and players he or his rep contacted and got little joy.
Only since the 15th has Moyes woken up to the fact that fuck all will happen unless he gets personally involved in something he hates doing-negotiation.
All this has put a great strain on relationships between the parties and it’s no wonder Moyes has pre-varicated on signing the new contract.
Once again,Kenwright is exposed as a well-intentioned muddler-something anybody who has had dealings with him -as I have -will bear out.
In short,A right fucking mess!!!
Moyes was happy to ’leave it to the experts’and kept coming up with targets which were-to say the least-ambitious.
Until the release of the Sky money on 15th August,Green INSISTED in being involved with any deals that were to be made with HIS money (understandably) but played hardball with all the clubs and players he or his rep contacted and got little joy.
Only since the 15th has Moyes woken up to the fact that fuck all will happen unless he gets personally involved in something he hates doing-negotiation.
All this has put a great strain on relationships between the parties and it’s no wonder Moyes has pre-varicated on signing the new contract.
Once again,Kenwright is exposed as a well-intentioned muddler-something anybody who has had dealings with him -as I have -will bear out.
In short,A right fucking mess!!!
Sean,I don’t know wher e you get your info from but that all sounds very feasible to me.As I read yesterday’Muddle at the top usually means trouble down below’, and that’s true in spades as far as EFC are concerned.
I’ve no idea how BB runs his main business but he’s shown total naivity in looking after Everton.And that’s being kind in the extreme!
I’ve no idea how BB runs his main business but he’s shown total naivity in looking after Everton.And that’s being kind in the extreme!
"Until the release of the Sky money on 15th August,Green INSISTED in being involved with any deals that were to be made with HIS money (understandably) but played hardball with all the clubs and players he or his rep contacted and got little joy."
Sean
You say a lot of things without anything firm to back them up, but that one above sticks out. The date of the release of the Sky money is meaningless - any bank in would be happy to advance this money in advance, seeing as it’s guarenteed money from a reputed company in good health (i.e. Sky). Everton are well known to do this every year, along with probably every other club. No business decision whatsoever would be affected by the August 15 date.
Which, to be honest, throws a lot of doubt on your other claims, as far as I’m concerned.
Sean
You say a lot of things without anything firm to back them up, but that one above sticks out. The date of the release of the Sky money is meaningless - any bank in would be happy to advance this money in advance, seeing as it’s guarenteed money from a reputed company in good health (i.e. Sky). Everton are well known to do this every year, along with probably every other club. No business decision whatsoever would be affected by the August 15 date.
Which, to be honest, throws a lot of doubt on your other claims, as far as I’m concerned.
Simon,you are assuming Everton hadn’t already borrowedup to their limit against the Sky money .br />What Sean has to say seems pretty plausible to me and he’s hardly likely to be providing chapter and verse on his contacts ,is he?
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