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News just posted on the official EFC website is that we are poised to sign midfielder Segundo Castillo from Red Star Belgrade. Anyone know much about him?
Robin Reed, Posted 27/08/2008 at 20:58:30
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Not a clue. Apparently he is a regular international, but beyond that I know nothing. Not necessarily a bad thing, Arteta was an unknown (to me anyway) before he signed. Defensive midfielder, sounds like he is just what we need! No idea how tall he is. Prbably 5’4" tall but just as wide knowing our luck...
According to the Website we are due to sign this geezer, trialled with Blackburn and didn't cut the mustard but can score goals as a defensive midfielder.
He had a succesful trial with Blackburn but they could agree terms with the player.
He’s 5’ 11".
He stands at 5’11
Hmmm... rather suggests M’bia ain’t coming...
This link is old, from when he moved to Belgrade by the looks sorry ive posted it on another thread but quite interesting...
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/airwolf09/2006/10/23/Alejandro_Segundo_Castillo_Red_Star
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/airwolf09/2006/10/23/Alejandro_Segundo_Castillo_Red_Star
Ok, I’m wrong, according to Wikipedia he is 5’11" tall. And just as wide. Joke.
Apparently one of Ecuadors best players and rated as ’world class’ in the Serbian league. This is Wikipedia though, anyone could have wrote that. He did probably. Or Bill Kenwright!
Sorry, the summer has instiled an all pervasive sense of bleak cynical humour in me.
Apparently one of Ecuadors best players and rated as ’world class’ in the Serbian league. This is Wikipedia though, anyone could have wrote that. He did probably. Or Bill Kenwright!
Sorry, the summer has instiled an all pervasive sense of bleak cynical humour in me.
5’ 11" Tall, played for Red Star last year and they won the league and the cup double. Scored 8 goals during that time.
does this now mean a deal for M’Bia is off, been watchin the Red Shite tonght like the look of Fellaini big tall dominant centre mid, must say Standard Liege look very impressive good footballing side.
I really don’t want to be negative and I am hoping that Castillo is No. 2 of the 6/7 Moyes wants before the deadline, with some bigger and more high profile names making up the remaining numbers, but...
Jacobsen and Castillo are not the type of players we should be bringing in after finishing 5th last season and in the top 6 for the 3rd time in 4 seasons, as well as having two decent cup runs last term.
I am glad we have plugged the gaps, but that is actually what we have done, plugged the gaps and two loan deals for relatively unknown and seemingly unwanted Danish and Ecuadorian internationals is not that exciting and in my opinion we have simply failed to push on and capitilise yet again.
Also, I am now finally convinced of one thing... we must definitely be skint. Jacobsen - loan, Castillo - loan, Tiago - loan, Wright-Philips - loan, Zigic - loan, the loan list can go on. Where is the money?
I really hope I am wrong and want nothing more than to be proven wrong, but the signs are ominous and I feel we are in danger of going backwards this season.
The question I would ask... you are Arteta, Lescott, Yakubu, Cahill, etc. You sign new deals because you believe the club are progressing and will offer you the opportunity to develop, win some silverware and perhaps play with some new big name players... would Jacobsen and Castillo inspire you or simply make you think you are at a club that is going backwards and thus in danger of hindering your career? I seriously think we are in danger of losing such players next summer if we continue in this vain.
Jacobsen and Castillo are not the type of players we should be bringing in after finishing 5th last season and in the top 6 for the 3rd time in 4 seasons, as well as having two decent cup runs last term.
I am glad we have plugged the gaps, but that is actually what we have done, plugged the gaps and two loan deals for relatively unknown and seemingly unwanted Danish and Ecuadorian internationals is not that exciting and in my opinion we have simply failed to push on and capitilise yet again.
Also, I am now finally convinced of one thing... we must definitely be skint. Jacobsen - loan, Castillo - loan, Tiago - loan, Wright-Philips - loan, Zigic - loan, the loan list can go on. Where is the money?
I really hope I am wrong and want nothing more than to be proven wrong, but the signs are ominous and I feel we are in danger of going backwards this season.
The question I would ask... you are Arteta, Lescott, Yakubu, Cahill, etc. You sign new deals because you believe the club are progressing and will offer you the opportunity to develop, win some silverware and perhaps play with some new big name players... would Jacobsen and Castillo inspire you or simply make you think you are at a club that is going backwards and thus in danger of hindering your career? I seriously think we are in danger of losing such players next summer if we continue in this vain.
Fantastic news.
That all-important in-reserve stand-in we require for midfield maestro ’Pip’ Neville.
It’s like a new (’rejected by Blackburn last month’) signing.
That all-important in-reserve stand-in we require for midfield maestro ’Pip’ Neville.
It’s like a new (’rejected by Blackburn last month’) signing.
He also has a decent goal return for a defensive midfielder, apparently very strong in the air for a relatively short guy a bit like Tim.
He is worth £6million but a great deal on a season long loan, does this mean we are skint or we have more money to spaend on the other players Moyes is after?
He is worth £6million but a great deal on a season long loan, does this mean we are skint or we have more money to spaend on the other players Moyes is after?
Where does it say that he is a loan signing?
agree John, still hoping to pull a big name like Moutinho out of that the hat, but maybe I am just dreaming.
He also has a decent goal return for a defensive midfielder, apparently very strong in the air for a relatively short guy a bit like Tim.
He is worth £6million but a great deal on a season long loan, does this mean we are skint or we have more money to spaend on the other players Moyes is after?
He is worth £6million but a great deal on a season long loan, does this mean we are skint or we have more money to spaend on the other players Moyes is after?
Ha ha Andy Morden, the idea of Bill editing Wikipedia made me laff! As with Jacobsen, I think we should all give Castillo a chance to impress, rather than write him off before he’s even kicked a ball.
Paul T - Skysports and Bluekipper are reporting it as a loan
I see, does that mean that we cannot sign anymore players on loan then? Is there not a maximum number of loan players a team can have?
James Newcombe - could you imagine? Although the amount of disinformation and rumour that has flown about this summer wouldn’t make me rule it out! If you don’t laugh you’ll cry etc
But I concur, we should give these players a chance. We NEED them to come good for us.
But I concur, we should give these players a chance. We NEED them to come good for us.
Hang on guys, do you really think the players at EFC were excited and thought the club was moving forward when they heard Cahill, Lescott, Pienaar and to an extent Arteta as well etc were signing? I think not. And now these are just the players we’re considering the feelings of.
We’ve also been talking about other clubs unearthing gems such as Santa Cruz so let’s just give these guys a chance shall we. Aside from all the high profile names we’ve been linked with, Moyes style has always been to come up with a few that you’ve not necessarily heard or thought of.
Let’s support these new guys and see how they get on. Could be continuing to improve the squad without risking millions (and arguably the future of the club) here again so let’s trust Moyes.
We’ve also been talking about other clubs unearthing gems such as Santa Cruz so let’s just give these guys a chance shall we. Aside from all the high profile names we’ve been linked with, Moyes style has always been to come up with a few that you’ve not necessarily heard or thought of.
Let’s support these new guys and see how they get on. Could be continuing to improve the squad without risking millions (and arguably the future of the club) here again so let’s trust Moyes.
There’s a maximum of two players who can be on loan from another English club. International loans are, I think, unlimited.
This is turning out to be a good day.............Castillo sounds like a really good buy!
Everton Ladies beat Liverpool Ladies 2-1 and Liverpool men (?) have been forced into extra-time! Uefa Cup for the RS... that would be too funny!
Everton Ladies beat Liverpool Ladies 2-1 and Liverpool men (?) have been forced into extra-time! Uefa Cup for the RS... that would be too funny!
A South American powerful defensive midfielder signing in the next 24 hours. Apparently he couldn't agree terms with Blackburn.
Already I love him.
Paul, I think the Rules on loans only apply to domestically based loan players and you can loan as many as you want from the continent but cannot be sure.
I am genuinely not slagging the two lads off. I hope they turn out to be great finds and bargain signings. But... maybe stupidly so... I just hoped for, and expected, bigger and better names this summer.
From Moutinho, Milito, Wright-Philips, Joaquin, Wagner-Love ... to...
Jacobsen, Castillo and some young dutch midfielder called De-Guzman (who could be amazing for all I know, but thats just it, I dont and not many of us do).
I am sick of hearing... we should do this... we should do that... we should sign him... etc. But... I really do think Joe Ledley for £5m would be good now and I think we could get him if we made a genuine attempt (by that I mean, actually pay some money, not ask for a loan deal for two years, then offer Cardiff a sausage dinner, a pint and three private dances (installments) from BK’s chubby wife over a further two years).
From Moutinho, Milito, Wright-Philips, Joaquin, Wagner-Love ... to...
Jacobsen, Castillo and some young dutch midfielder called De-Guzman (who could be amazing for all I know, but thats just it, I dont and not many of us do).
I am sick of hearing... we should do this... we should do that... we should sign him... etc. But... I really do think Joe Ledley for £5m would be good now and I think we could get him if we made a genuine attempt (by that I mean, actually pay some money, not ask for a loan deal for two years, then offer Cardiff a sausage dinner, a pint and three private dances (installments) from BK’s chubby wife over a further two years).
Defo a good signing in my opinion. at this stage we are in a situ where we just need players, and these ’secondary’ targets are not likely to have been scouted as closely as our top targets. Therefore a loan is a very sensible way forward - thus if he’s crap and doesn’t fit in - we can just ditch him next year having not spent a small fortune on a relative unknown.
Moysie is a very shrewd cookie and is doing the best for our pennies, so just follow it up with a few more quality additions by sunday and we can get our season underway!
COYB! :-)
Moysie is a very shrewd cookie and is doing the best for our pennies, so just follow it up with a few more quality additions by sunday and we can get our season underway!
COYB! :-)
Both Castillo + the danish fella as loans makes me think even more that the bank of BK is not open and that these fellas are just stop gaps / List B/C players of DM, HOWEVER.... look at Peanuts from last year. Loan deal, bought for £2.5, bargain in the grand scheme of things.
Blackburn backed doen with a figure of £6mill, maybe we will get him for half that at the end of the season if he does enough, then we’ll be praising DM and his shrewd loan deals!!
Although, asking for SWP on loan is extracting the urine....... as if CFC or SWP are gonna do a loan when others are offering straight cash, thats were we make ourselves look like tits!
Fellas from Ecuador or Denmark maybe, but not a player from one of the top 4 who can easily command a straight up fee.
2 down..... 4 to go!!!!!
Blackburn backed doen with a figure of £6mill, maybe we will get him for half that at the end of the season if he does enough, then we’ll be praising DM and his shrewd loan deals!!
Although, asking for SWP on loan is extracting the urine....... as if CFC or SWP are gonna do a loan when others are offering straight cash, thats were we make ourselves look like tits!
Fellas from Ecuador or Denmark maybe, but not a player from one of the top 4 who can easily command a straight up fee.
2 down..... 4 to go!!!!!
SWP having a medical at Man City tomorrow according to Sky Sports.com...
I don’t want SWP anyway, overrated and overpaid.
Money grabbing little bastard.
Would rather have Milner anyday.
Money grabbing little bastard.
Would rather have Milner anyday.
We won’t be getting Milner either.
Loan players are just crap. Duncan Ferguson, Joseph Yobo, Steven Pienaar, Michel Arteta all came on loan what a pile of mush. Bah humbug
We won't get Milner unless it's a loan with a view to a permanent move paid over 40 years.
Fee for SWP close to £9mill.
Can’t believe we offered a loan deal and also can’t believe he’d go back to city.......... Imagine the 1st day back,,,,, "Alright lads, i left here a few years ago cos me al fella said it’d get me to the world cup....... that fell on its arse!"
Man shitty must be willing to match his wages or we really did just throw the loan hat in the ring, shame cos he’d of done good.
Can’t believe we offered a loan deal and also can’t believe he’d go back to city.......... Imagine the 1st day back,,,,, "Alright lads, i left here a few years ago cos me al fella said it’d get me to the world cup....... that fell on its arse!"
Man shitty must be willing to match his wages or we really did just throw the loan hat in the ring, shame cos he’d of done good.
Crackin name though - Segundo Alejandro Notmoutinho Notm’bia Castillo Nazareno
NOT moutinho
NOT M’bia
NOT joking either - they are his names from Wikipedia
Strange eh?
NOT moutinho
NOT M’bia
NOT joking either - they are his names from Wikipedia
Strange eh?
Don’t forget Tim Howard too!
Another signing on loan arriving...
Obinna Signs For Inter, Loaned To Everton link is...
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=837320
Obinna Signs For Inter, Loaned To Everton link is...
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=837320
2 down 5 to go with 4 days left. And looks like the red shite will be with us in the UEFA Cup.
According to the Daily Mail website, we?ve made a late bid for Thiago Motta too...
Ron - I think you are misinterpreting peoples views. Nobody, myself included, are saying loan players are crap, we are simply saying... where has the money gone and why do we only seem to be able to offer ridiculous loan deals to clubs and players who simply would not benefit from it !
Why would the respective clubs of Milito, Wagner-Love, Wright-Philips need or want to loan such players? Milito, maybe, because his team where relegated, but he is supposedly worth £8m+ and Wagner-Love is one of his teams best players and don’t even get me started on Chelsea.
Why would the respective clubs of Milito, Wagner-Love, Wright-Philips need or want to loan such players? Milito, maybe, because his team where relegated, but he is supposedly worth £8m+ and Wagner-Love is one of his teams best players and don’t even get me started on Chelsea.
David Moore, don?t speak too soon ? those jammy bastards will win on pens.
When SSN were doing ther not so flash tour of the country today with different gonads in different regions the fella from the NE said that Alan Smith is likely to be on his way out of the Barcodes.................... shall we expect to see him with our other loan personnel or what??????
Course we should give him a chance! The guy sounds just what we’re after - defensive midfielder with a bit of height, established international who was first choice for his country at the last World Cup. He’s done the double with Red Star, which also means that unlike the vast majority of our squad he knows what it feels like to actually win something.
Obviously Castillo’s a mystery to us, but he seems to tick all the right boxes, so we’ve got to give Moyes the benefit of the doubt that he’s done his homework and likes what he’s seen.
If it is a loan, can anyone clarify this rule about only two loan signings per team? I’ve heard it mentioned but never officially. Here’s hoping we’re now ready to splash some serious cash on a couple more midfielders by the end of the week...
Obviously Castillo’s a mystery to us, but he seems to tick all the right boxes, so we’ve got to give Moyes the benefit of the doubt that he’s done his homework and likes what he’s seen.
If it is a loan, can anyone clarify this rule about only two loan signings per team? I’ve heard it mentioned but never officially. Here’s hoping we’re now ready to splash some serious cash on a couple more midfielders by the end of the week...
I don’t want the redshite in the UEFA Cup, you know full well the jammy twats would win it, probably on pens, with Stevie-G-Bar scoring the winner... just cos we were in it.
Lucky Gets!!!!! Red Shite score
A thought.............. I don?t usually jump on the Kirkby bandwagon but maybe BK is thinking all these loan players will be paid for permanently by the new owners when he?s sold out after DK gets approved?
Aside from that....... if indeed we do have Obinna I?m going to be seriously impressed with today's events!!
Aside from that....... if indeed we do have Obinna I?m going to be seriously impressed with today's events!!
You see... what did i say...jammy twats... 2mins to go and ugly arse Dirk (Diggler) Kyunt (silent y) scores.
Jacobsen hasn’t signed on loan he signed on a free.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=837320
HAS EVEYBODY MISSED THIS SIGNING NUMBER 3????
HAS EVEYBODY MISSED THIS SIGNING NUMBER 3????
Are we replacing Captain Phil ? first we get a right back, which was the first position on my shopping list cos don’t think Hibbert is top 5 class, and now we have a defensive midfielder, the only way Jacobsen, Castillo & Neville are going to play is if we play 5 in midfield.
I’m gonna stop that before I get into a ’personal favorite line-up’ kinda thing.
I don’t agree with the 5 or 6 players thing though, with Olympic Vic returning & a few coming back fit I reckon maybe one more signing would do it, I know that wouldn’t give the biggest squad but it would seem that we just can’t afford it.
I’ve stayed silent through the Summer of inactivity cos apart from the first couple of games I wasn’t concerned, I just wanted to see some news to satisfy my own thirst for transfer gossip/news. I just hope Vaughan can stay fit for a while, he deserves a good run in the side, and why not keep giving the youngsters a run out now and again, they gotta start sometime
I’m gonna stop that before I get into a ’personal favorite line-up’ kinda thing.
I don’t agree with the 5 or 6 players thing though, with Olympic Vic returning & a few coming back fit I reckon maybe one more signing would do it, I know that wouldn’t give the biggest squad but it would seem that we just can’t afford it.
I’ve stayed silent through the Summer of inactivity cos apart from the first couple of games I wasn’t concerned, I just wanted to see some news to satisfy my own thirst for transfer gossip/news. I just hope Vaughan can stay fit for a while, he deserves a good run in the side, and why not keep giving the youngsters a run out now and again, they gotta start sometime
Actually, the Redshite didn’t even need penalties, the jammy sods scored in the last minute of extra time!!!!
Anthony... interesting link. He sounds very decent. I’ve seen that story somewhere else but it was just a rumour at the time, that link seems fairly concrete.
It's already on his wiki page! Can it be true?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Nsofor_Obinna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Nsofor_Obinna
Great point Jay Wilson!
I agree with Mark. I actually think that Moyes’ transfer strategy (whether his choice or not) of signing players on loan before buying them outright is an effective one. Arteta and Pienaar both came on loan and later signed deals with the club and for a relatively small transfer fee. Let’s hope that Jacobsen, Castillo (and hopefully others coming in) are able to follow in their footsteps.
COYB!
COYB!
That Obinna has apparently signed as well on loan with an option of making it permanent for a set fee, which begs the question, why did Inter sign him?
How reliable is this goal.com website?
It almost sounds too good to be true.
Why on earth would you sign a player and loan him out abroad straight away?
It almost sounds too good to be true.
Why on earth would you sign a player and loan him out abroad straight away?
Doesn?t any one think that Moyesy might be getting some of these players in on loan for the season on very small fees and saving the majority of his kitty to sign a big name player like Moutinho?! Makes sense to splash out less than £3 to 4million in loan fees for say up to 4 to 5 players then make 1 maybe 2 big money signings!
Dan, according to that report Inter already owned a percentage of Obinna’s contract, so they only had to pay a proportion of the going rate. Therefore any transfer fee from us at the end of next season would represent a profit for them.
Also, if Inter expect him to do well, the set fee way be particularly large, and if he is a success we will either have to pay up or give him back and risk another club coming in for him.
Also, if Inter expect him to do well, the set fee way be particularly large, and if he is a success we will either have to pay up or give him back and risk another club coming in for him.
I like the bit right at the end of his Wikipedia entry...
"He later captained the Nigerian team and produced a remarkable display of football artistry when they beat Belgium 4 - 1 in the semi-final match. Loves an ale."
"He later captained the Nigerian team and produced a remarkable display of football artistry when they beat Belgium 4 - 1 in the semi-final match. Loves an ale."
Dan, I was thinking the same, but then on reading the link that Anthony placed it said that Inter helped Fund the initial deal, so have they bought him to sell him on with the intention of gaining more than if his old club sold him themselves to somebody else...... Oh well, who cares so long as the kid is good.
From what has been a doom and gloom summer it?s now starting to look a little brighter on the personnel front........... at least we?ll have more than the Pienaar deal on transfers in page now!!
I just hope we make a big money (not break the bank) signing, to add to these loan / 1 yr free players.
From what has been a doom and gloom summer it?s now starting to look a little brighter on the personnel front........... at least we?ll have more than the Pienaar deal on transfers in page now!!
I just hope we make a big money (not break the bank) signing, to add to these loan / 1 yr free players.
Inter bid for 2 players, they got the first one, Obinna, however Ricardo Quaresma was their first choice all along and then he signed too so they are loaning Obinna out straight away as they cannot accomodate the two.
We are turning into the Super Eagles, no bad thing apart from when we lose all our players when the African Nations Cup rolls around. At least some positive news after watching those jammy bastards squeeze through again!!
I like;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5taqDmlkGMk
Looks sharp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5taqDmlkGMk
Looks sharp.
This is quite a funny quote from Wiki about Obinna. Sums up BK in a nutshell!
On the 28th of August 2008 he was sent on a one year loan to Everton F.C. The deal was brokered on the Nigerian ’Deal or no Deal, which is hosted by ex Nigerian International John Fashanu. Bill Kenwright was heard to shout "AWOOGA" when the box was opened.
On the 28th of August 2008 he was sent on a one year loan to Everton F.C. The deal was brokered on the Nigerian ’Deal or no Deal, which is hosted by ex Nigerian International John Fashanu. Bill Kenwright was heard to shout "AWOOGA" when the box was opened.
IF, and it is a bif IF, the Obinna link is true then it is good news for us. Also including Obinna I think that we will sign 3 hopefully 4 more players, which will give us 5 or 6 in total.
Looks a decent loan signing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nsyEqG-LzE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nsyEqG-LzE&feature=related
Is it true our neighbours are being sponsored by always.Last.minute.com?
Peter, that?s not true...........they?re being sponsored by:
JammyBastardsR?Us
JammyBastardsR?Us
Harry Redknapp signs unknown players, has a big squad and plays them in the odd game when needed....."good manager".... If they don’t do it he ships them out....maybe Moyes has decided that rather than dither and get no one he will sign 7 players each time for nothing with the off chance that 2 out of 7 become Arteta/Piennar/Yobo/Howard etc etc......
If you look at Portsmouth...who had realy heard of Muntari, Kranjcar and Utaka before last season!
If you look at Portsmouth...who had realy heard of Muntari, Kranjcar and Utaka before last season!
Please, oh please let me wake up and all this is not a dream
Can?t you see that loans are just another symptom of Moysey?s dithering complex. He can?t make up his mind to pay the fees so he lobs the ?sellers? a mill or so to get these buggers on appro. If they are any good we shall have all the shit we had over Fernandes come the end of the season and they will fuck off elsewhere.
A club and its manager in chaos!
Al, you?re talkin out your arse!
Would you have bought Fernandes for the initial asking price..... NO! Having him on loan 1st time around was a good deal and other players we?ve had as mentioned above have turned out good from an initial loan deal. Not dithering, just good business sense when you?ve got fuck all cash!!!!
Would you have bought Fernandes for the initial asking price..... NO! Having him on loan 1st time around was a good deal and other players we?ve had as mentioned above have turned out good from an initial loan deal. Not dithering, just good business sense when you?ve got fuck all cash!!!!
I dunno. Some people are determined to put negative spin on anything.
Dave Harrison and Al Meakin, DM pretty much was the instigator of the "try-and-buy-or-let-go" deals with his very first signing at the club - Joseph Yobo. What seems commonplace now was unheard of at the time.
Al, you pick out one very bad example (bad in that Manu’s case was a unique situation beyond the club’s control...) and ignore the several very good ones that DM HAS pulled off season after season.
Let me wake up tomorrow morning to more of the same, please... keep ’em coming Davey.
Dave Harrison and Al Meakin, DM pretty much was the instigator of the "try-and-buy-or-let-go" deals with his very first signing at the club - Joseph Yobo. What seems commonplace now was unheard of at the time.
Al, you pick out one very bad example (bad in that Manu’s case was a unique situation beyond the club’s control...) and ignore the several very good ones that DM HAS pulled off season after season.
Let me wake up tomorrow morning to more of the same, please... keep ’em coming Davey.
Obinna Looks quite a decent player and when he scores a goal he makes Beagrie?s back flip look average! On a season loan deal seems good buisness IF true by the way, bit of skill about him and scores goals too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5taqDmlkGMk&feature=related
I think these deals could prove to be very shrewd. I am also of the belief that amongst these loan signings / free transfers there could be one big "Moutinho-esque" signing to come.
P.S. I thought they weren’t called Red Star Belgrade any more?
Al Meakin mate, you are full of shit. Dithering Moyes? Look at his record - Arteta, Cahill, Yakubu, Howard, Lescott, Pienaar, Jagielka - keep the faith. Two established internationals in problem positions, for no money, after three points at the weekend, with time left to buy more! - what a time to be an Evertonian. Yes it's been all doom and gloom until now but it's all behind us now, bring on Portsmouth and anyone else we get in now is a bonus.
Obinna seems to be coming in from the left on them youtube clips so could he be a quick fix solution for peanuts?
It looks like hes got a nifty left foot.
It looks like hes got a nifty left foot.
I can’t understand people getting upset because signing Castillo may mean we don’t bring (Everton could be a spring board) M’bia in. I’d never heard of M’bia until we were linked with him. Also to play in that specialist defensive midfield role needs experience. How many young players do you know who do it successfully? M’bia is only 21. Castillo is the right age. If he signs I will be feeling quiet positive about it and I’ve no doubt that Rennes intended to hold us to ransom over M’bia.
I bet Benitez wished he had signed Robbie Keane on a loan deal... £18m... me feels he has bought another expensive misfit. No wonder the yanks don?t want to give any more money!
Maybe DM couldn't get the ones at the top of the list so, instead of paying £5-10M for lesser players he gets similar quality in on loan for now and hopes these turn good like Arteta etc. In the meantime then they can keep tabs on the higher quality players he was after to see if their situation changes. Just a thought.
Is this Castillo any good?
Jacobsen this week, looks like Castillo on his way here, maybe Obinna might be a good chance too?
Finally, we have some players coming in & something positive for us to talk about & look forward too!
ps I see the RS (Luckypool) pulled another result out of their arses again this evening. Where the hell is their luck gonna run out? :(
Finally, we have some players coming in & something positive for us to talk about & look forward too!
ps I see the RS (Luckypool) pulled another result out of their arses again this evening. Where the hell is their luck gonna run out? :(
Loans, loans, loans... Jesus, we must be skint. We are a laughing stock.
Nice to have a bit of experience on board but ?pleased? and ?way too easily? comes to mind!
Only the signings of Thiago Motta and Moutinho will provoke any emotional response out of me!
Thiago Motta is a world class (and I don’t use that term lightly), Defensive Midfield Playmaker. Anybody who has seen him play would tell you that he is a cut above our own. Signing him on a free would be this season?s equivalent to the £3.5m Santa Cruz deal. - As long as his knee holds up!
As for Moutinho I think David?s going to do something crazy? ?Watch This Space!?
Only the signings of Thiago Motta and Moutinho will provoke any emotional response out of me!
Thiago Motta is a world class (and I don’t use that term lightly), Defensive Midfield Playmaker. Anybody who has seen him play would tell you that he is a cut above our own. Signing him on a free would be this season?s equivalent to the £3.5m Santa Cruz deal. - As long as his knee holds up!
As for Moutinho I think David?s going to do something crazy? ?Watch This Space!?
Almost forgot... Toffeeweb... the new layout is awesome!
I was going to say the same thing. It's miles better than the Official site. It seems they are drifting further apart in terms of usability and design after every release.
Well done, ToffeeWeb.
Well done, ToffeeWeb.
No, we?re not a laughing stock at all!
Total rubbish.
I mean come on... you can spend $18M on Robbie Keane (good but not that good) and still put in a crap performance.
Total rubbish.
I mean come on... you can spend $18M on Robbie Keane (good but not that good) and still put in a crap performance.
Just look at how much money ?Boro (£10M+), Fulham (£16M+), Sunderland (unknown but must be £10M+ easily), Arsenal (unknown but £5m on Ramsey alone), Stoke (£12M+), WHU (£5M+), Spurs (£43M+!!!), WBA (£20M+), Wigan (£6M??), Portsmouth (£11M on Crouch alone) ? and all of these teams are BELOW us in the league right now and we?ve yet to use any new signing...
Of course we would all love for a big name signing to come in but I trust Moyes to get the best out of any player that arrives and to be honest I?d rather see us win something with a squad of players working their balls off for the team ? as a team ? instead of paying a fortune for one player and hope he comes good. We have all pretty much agreed that we need players to fight for their place, we need players in reserve ready to take their place, cover for injuries etc... at least with loans we might have the option for 1 or 2 big names. If loans get us the players we need then I for one am all for it!
We all know we?re broke... the club, even if they have left it late in the day, have to do what they can to bring players in. I?m certainly not sticking up for BK in this instance... I?ve said elsewhere this summer has sucked but I?m quite happy with the two players we?ve got and the 3rd we might have. Hopefully more arrive but already the team looks better.
And we haven?t spent a fortune like all those teams BELOW us!!!
BELOW US????? We are 2 games into the season, talk about grasping at straws! We have beaten West Brom and if you watched that game you would know we were outplayed for much of it. and as for you being happy with the 2 new signings, i would ask you have you seen either play? Because the Danish lad struggled to get a game last season in a team that got relegated. If we don't get in some proper signings ? and by that I mean QUALITY ? we will be in the bottom 8 with the current lack of depth in the squad. Get real!
The thing is Moyes and others have stated on a few occasions about how he looks into a players background first, well I found Nigel Marins story last week a bit daft regarding asking everyone about him first, he was a proven 30 odd year old international playing family man, not a coke snorting arrogant player and yet what type of questioning did he do into the background of AVM? as it seems half of Europe new his problem BEFORE he came to us, so what do you think he has done on these two? my guess will be he has seen a DVD at most off the lads agents regarding Castillo, but I suppose beggars cannot be chooses, it just means that fucker BK will have pulled the wool over enough peoples eyes to get away with a stick free day come Saturday.
John McKie: Jacobson isnt here on loan, he was available on a free and has signed a one year contract
Question is, Moyes said he will only buy "world class" players who will improve our chance in breaking the top 4. No disrespect to Lars and Castillo, but are they of that calibre?
Also does it really take that long to sign those two players?
Also does it really take that long to sign those two players?
According to the Dutch wikipedia, Juventus tried to buy Castillo last year but couldn’t agree terms... how much is this lad asking for??? Good to see that a big club like Juve had interest in the guy though.
Theres a few bits of him on YouTube but it doesn give much away - having done some digging, it appears he’s been coveted by a few European clubs here & there in recent years and looks a decent player. He played against England for Equador at the World Cup 2006 and not only is he a defensive midfielder, but he scores goals as well - DM as we all know, is a master at getting the best out of players so dont be surprised if this bloke turns out to be a great signing.
Its numbers we need and we have cover now - lots of reports about Obinna coming as well and this kid is dynamite!
Its numbers we need and we have cover now - lots of reports about Obinna coming as well and this kid is dynamite!
Why have people got a hangup about taking a player on loan? You have a good look at him for twelve months, if he’s any good you keep him, if he doesn’t gel with your players, if he’s a crock, if he’s crap you ship him out. I’m glad we didn’t pay 12m for Fanandese. We have a limited amount of money so to take a player on loan is common sense if we can get him that way. No matter who you buy, no matter how big the name, you are taking a chance, for some reason it may not work out. I wish we could try them all out for twelve months with no risk before we buy.
Stu Hudson...spot on fella !!
I’m sick and tired of people on here saying ’...so and so will/would be a great signing...’ when they’ve never seen the fella kick a fucking ball.Some people are so easily pleased with mediocrity it makes me sick... Next it will be ’...he looks awesome on youtube...’ No wonder this club is in the shit it’s in !!
Two ’never heard of’s’ in and another ’never heard of’ possibly on the way, whilst SWP goes back to Man Shiteh because we wont pay him the wages he wants....Now that’s QUALITY !!...NOT
I’m so excited I nearly peed my pants !!
Another thing... why are so many of you so worried about what’s happening to those gobshites across the park..Let’s get our own house in order before we worry about anyone else eh !!
I’m sick and tired of people on here saying ’...so and so will/would be a great signing...’ when they’ve never seen the fella kick a fucking ball.Some people are so easily pleased with mediocrity it makes me sick... Next it will be ’...he looks awesome on youtube...’ No wonder this club is in the shit it’s in !!
Two ’never heard of’s’ in and another ’never heard of’ possibly on the way, whilst SWP goes back to Man Shiteh because we wont pay him the wages he wants....Now that’s QUALITY !!...NOT
I’m so excited I nearly peed my pants !!
Another thing... why are so many of you so worried about what’s happening to those gobshites across the park..Let’s get our own house in order before we worry about anyone else eh !!
Absolutely Steve, try before you buy!
Utd did it with Tevez and I didnt see their fans complaining. Pienaar was a loan success, Matteo Ferrari wasnt so he went, Manny wasnt (not really) so he went - loans are a God-send to us at the moment so people should be happy.
I’m delighted that we’re making a few signings, permanent or loans I’m not bothered - its all cheered me right up this morning, especiaily after Standard Liege went so damn close last night!
Utd did it with Tevez and I didnt see their fans complaining. Pienaar was a loan success, Matteo Ferrari wasnt so he went, Manny wasnt (not really) so he went - loans are a God-send to us at the moment so people should be happy.
I’m delighted that we’re making a few signings, permanent or loans I’m not bothered - its all cheered me right up this morning, especiaily after Standard Liege went so damn close last night!
Mark Pendleton - Red Star Belgrade are still Red Star, although in the local language this is translated as Crvena (Red) Zvezda (Star), which is what they often appear as these days.
From a Blue in Sarajevo, any other Toffees in this neck of the woods?
From a Blue in Sarajevo, any other Toffees in this neck of the woods?
A variation on The wisdom of Nelly Blythe:
"I?m sick and tired of people on here saying ?...so and so will be a SHIT signing...? when they?ve never seen the fella kick a fucking ball. Some people are so QUICKLY CRITICAL AND PRESUMPTIOUS it makes me sick... "
Carry on.
"I?m sick and tired of people on here saying ?...so and so will be a SHIT signing...? when they?ve never seen the fella kick a fucking ball. Some people are so QUICKLY CRITICAL AND PRESUMPTIOUS it makes me sick... "
Carry on.
It's as simple as this - who would have rather had Krøldrup on loan or for £5 mil?
According to the Obinna Wikipedia entry we already have a song for him! it goes ?Obla-dee, Obla-dah, Obinnaaaa, oh na na Victor Obina.? Nice!
There?s another aspect to " loan-before-u-buy " deals; namely, the player gets a feel for the club and his prospective teamates and lifesyle etc. That way, when you buy you?re buying someone who really wants to come-rather than both sides taking a gamble.
Art Greeth..... You carry on burying your head in the sand mate..as you?re entitled to do!!!
By the way have you checked YouTube yet...???... bet they look ?awsome? on there eh??
We were promised QUALITY... Check out all the TOP names we have alledgedly been after.....but what have we got ??...yet another load of deceit, lies and disappointment
Moyes said he wasn?t goin to bring in mid-range Premier League players... isn?t that exactly what he?s done?
Even if they do prove to be decent Moyes won't buy them...look what he?s done with Fernandes and if you say he wouldn?t have been a decent siging then you watch a different match/player to me!!
I want players who will give us a chance of WINNING a trophy not just players who will make sure we dont get relegated and I make no apology for it!!
What?s the point of ?knocking on the door if you?re never going to enter the party??? Twice we?ve been ?on the doorstep and twice we?ve failed?... if you don't want to believe that it?s your prerogative.
Obviousy we have different ambitions for our club and just to repeat, some of you are so EASILY pleased!!
By the way have you checked YouTube yet...???... bet they look ?awsome? on there eh??
We were promised QUALITY... Check out all the TOP names we have alledgedly been after.....but what have we got ??...yet another load of deceit, lies and disappointment
Moyes said he wasn?t goin to bring in mid-range Premier League players... isn?t that exactly what he?s done?
Even if they do prove to be decent Moyes won't buy them...look what he?s done with Fernandes and if you say he wouldn?t have been a decent siging then you watch a different match/player to me!!
I want players who will give us a chance of WINNING a trophy not just players who will make sure we dont get relegated and I make no apology for it!!
What?s the point of ?knocking on the door if you?re never going to enter the party??? Twice we?ve been ?on the doorstep and twice we?ve failed?... if you don't want to believe that it?s your prerogative.
Obviousy we have different ambitions for our club and just to repeat, some of you are so EASILY pleased!!
Exactly. If Liverpool or Chelsea bought a player for £15-£20m and he turned out to not settle in the Premier League or a crock, they’d be able to just about write it off. For a club like us though, it would be a total disaster
Nelly Blithe (a misspelling of your correct name, I know, but I thought I?d follow your trend. ?Blithe? seems appropriate in the context of your assumptions of others?).
Not burying my head in the sand. Not in denial. Not excusing or defending anyone at the club. This has been a piss poor transfer window to date. The window has not yet closed. I will reserve judgement on the quality of the squad until then.
Not taken in one way or the other by a three minute video clip of ANY player on YouTube. Are you?
DM said he wanted to bring in quality to challenge the top four. What you want and what you get cannot be guaranteed. There has been no ?promises? made by the club that any particular player will arrive. There have been clearly stated promises that players WILL arrive. They now are. What is clear is ? before the window closes ? we need numbers. Quality would be nice. Who can categorically state these three signings haven?t got any?
You equate this with ?...another load of deceit, lies and disappointment?? I don?t. You say ?Moyes said he wasn?t going to bring in mid-range Premiership players...isn?t that exactly what he?s done?? Explain to me how you can categorically state that without ? by your own admission ? knowing anything about the incoming players?
Next, you use Manu Fernandes as a lost opportunity? that even if the loan signings prove any good, Moyes won?t even sign them. As someone who lives in Portugal, I?m quietly confident that I have seen a helluva more of Manu then you have on the handful of games he has played for EFC. Furthermore, Moyes would have seen him up close and personal during two loan periods now. Buying a player is not only about his ability. I like Manu. He has ability, but the outlandish claims I have seen on here ? such as ?he is the future of Portuguese football? ? are way, way off the mark. Now Moutinho is a very different kettle of fish and for three years I?ve dreamt of seeing him in the blue of Everton? and it may, just may, come to pass. He is worth five of Manu and should we land him, quite simply, we will be getting the best footballer seen in an Everton shirt since the championship days? possibly dating even further back to the Holy Trinity.
Dunno quite how you make the leap and very false assumption that I don?t want to win trophies and am happy to settle for players who will make sure we don?t get relegated. Very pompous of you.
Once again, to paraphrase your words? some people are so quickly negative and critical.
Onwards and upwards.
Not burying my head in the sand. Not in denial. Not excusing or defending anyone at the club. This has been a piss poor transfer window to date. The window has not yet closed. I will reserve judgement on the quality of the squad until then.
Not taken in one way or the other by a three minute video clip of ANY player on YouTube. Are you?
DM said he wanted to bring in quality to challenge the top four. What you want and what you get cannot be guaranteed. There has been no ?promises? made by the club that any particular player will arrive. There have been clearly stated promises that players WILL arrive. They now are. What is clear is ? before the window closes ? we need numbers. Quality would be nice. Who can categorically state these three signings haven?t got any?
You equate this with ?...another load of deceit, lies and disappointment?? I don?t. You say ?Moyes said he wasn?t going to bring in mid-range Premiership players...isn?t that exactly what he?s done?? Explain to me how you can categorically state that without ? by your own admission ? knowing anything about the incoming players?
Next, you use Manu Fernandes as a lost opportunity? that even if the loan signings prove any good, Moyes won?t even sign them. As someone who lives in Portugal, I?m quietly confident that I have seen a helluva more of Manu then you have on the handful of games he has played for EFC. Furthermore, Moyes would have seen him up close and personal during two loan periods now. Buying a player is not only about his ability. I like Manu. He has ability, but the outlandish claims I have seen on here ? such as ?he is the future of Portuguese football? ? are way, way off the mark. Now Moutinho is a very different kettle of fish and for three years I?ve dreamt of seeing him in the blue of Everton? and it may, just may, come to pass. He is worth five of Manu and should we land him, quite simply, we will be getting the best footballer seen in an Everton shirt since the championship days? possibly dating even further back to the Holy Trinity.
Dunno quite how you make the leap and very false assumption that I don?t want to win trophies and am happy to settle for players who will make sure we don?t get relegated. Very pompous of you.
Once again, to paraphrase your words? some people are so quickly negative and critical.
Onwards and upwards.
I hope we get this Obinna dude haha. It says on that goal.com that he?s a "lightning paced striker", sounds like an ideal replacement for Andy Johnson and will give us a different option upfront. AJ was much more effective away from home when teams defended high up the pitch so he had space in behind the defence to us his pace and gave us a threat on the counter attack, which is a very powerful weapon away from home.
At least we?ve finally signed a midfielder as well. Obviously like many Evertonians I don?t know how good this Castillo is, but surely he?s got to be better than Jagielka and Rodwell in midfield at this moment in time. My criticism of Moyes is why has he had to leave it so late? I?ve got a feeling these players are just panic buys, because he failed to sign his main targets, but credit to him, because at this stage panic buys are needed just for more numbers as we?re competing in four competitions again next year.
Why don?t we offer £9 million for Wright-Phillips???? He?s well worth it and he is a natural wide player with pace and would allow us to put Arteta into his natural position, central midfield.
Art ....
Don't you want players that we do know something about ???...Players we KNOW have QUALITY not just hoping that they MIGHT have ??
My negativity and cyncism come from many years of being left disappointed by this club and I know I?m not alone.... this summer being the latest and by no means the only, opportunity missed to move forward.
As far as Mouthino is concerned I can't say very much because I haven?t seen him play that much but despite what you say I still would have Fernandes because he CAN play.
Unlike you I dont live in Portugal but I do live in Merseyside. This gives me a chance to have a season ticket and go to most aways... something which I have done for many years now. I think that may mean that I get to watch Everton up close a lot more than you do... not saying that makes you an less of a supporter just means I get a feel of what the match going public want and that?s QUALITY... they are settling for numbers now because that appears to be the ONLY option.
As you say no promises were cast in stone... but were definitely inferred by our bullshitter of a chairman
?Watch this space...? I think he said in front of an international audience... Well I?ve been watching ever since and IMO ?the space? is still very much empty !!
Don't you want players that we do know something about ???...Players we KNOW have QUALITY not just hoping that they MIGHT have ??
My negativity and cyncism come from many years of being left disappointed by this club and I know I?m not alone.... this summer being the latest and by no means the only, opportunity missed to move forward.
As far as Mouthino is concerned I can't say very much because I haven?t seen him play that much but despite what you say I still would have Fernandes because he CAN play.
Unlike you I dont live in Portugal but I do live in Merseyside. This gives me a chance to have a season ticket and go to most aways... something which I have done for many years now. I think that may mean that I get to watch Everton up close a lot more than you do... not saying that makes you an less of a supporter just means I get a feel of what the match going public want and that?s QUALITY... they are settling for numbers now because that appears to be the ONLY option.
As you say no promises were cast in stone... but were definitely inferred by our bullshitter of a chairman
?Watch this space...? I think he said in front of an international audience... Well I?ve been watching ever since and IMO ?the space? is still very much empty !!
Anthony Millington.....couldn’t agree more...
"He is worth five of Manu and should we land him, quite simply, we will be getting the best footballer seen in an Everton shirt since the championship days? possibly dating even further back to the Holy Trinity."
Art Greeth,
Moutinho is a good player but I do think your going over the top theret. He isn’t worth 5 of Manny neither is he worth 5 of Veloso. In terms of natural ability there all very close, I’ve even heard Sporting fans say themselves that Moutinho is the least gifted out of the three. What he has is consistency, leadership skills, stabilty and mental toughness that the others lack. He always gives a certain level of performance whereas the other too have yet to find a consistent level of performance.
Moutinho is a team player, he’s not a player who’s going to win you a game or dominate games in the middle of the park. He’s not a Deco, a Figo or a Rui Costa, he doesn’t have that ex factor so to speak. That creative ability to turn a game on it’s head with a pass or another piece of magic.
He’s a good all rounder, potentially a very good player but I can see why Moyes doesn’t rate him as a 20 million pound player. There’s also the fact that he’s never done anything outside of Portugal, he’s completely unproven.
I want us to sign him, quality player who’d improve our midfield, but if it was a choice between someone like Fernandes for 8 million and Moutinho for 20 million then it’s Fernandes every time for me. Moutinho is the better player, no question about him but if anyone thinks hes worth 12 million more there deluded.
Art Greeth,
Moutinho is a good player but I do think your going over the top theret. He isn’t worth 5 of Manny neither is he worth 5 of Veloso. In terms of natural ability there all very close, I’ve even heard Sporting fans say themselves that Moutinho is the least gifted out of the three. What he has is consistency, leadership skills, stabilty and mental toughness that the others lack. He always gives a certain level of performance whereas the other too have yet to find a consistent level of performance.
Moutinho is a team player, he’s not a player who’s going to win you a game or dominate games in the middle of the park. He’s not a Deco, a Figo or a Rui Costa, he doesn’t have that ex factor so to speak. That creative ability to turn a game on it’s head with a pass or another piece of magic.
He’s a good all rounder, potentially a very good player but I can see why Moyes doesn’t rate him as a 20 million pound player. There’s also the fact that he’s never done anything outside of Portugal, he’s completely unproven.
I want us to sign him, quality player who’d improve our midfield, but if it was a choice between someone like Fernandes for 8 million and Moutinho for 20 million then it’s Fernandes every time for me. Moutinho is the better player, no question about him but if anyone thinks hes worth 12 million more there deluded.
Nelly well said I couldn’t agree with you more.
"Dont you want players that we do know something about ???...Players we KNOW have QUALITY not just hoping that they MIGHT have ??"
The answer is of course yes, we would want that.
However, the truth is that if everybody knows a player is great, he’s going to cost a lot, and there’s going to be competition for his signiture.
It’s stating theobvious to say that the Sky 4 all have much money money to spend than we do. Their squads will cost more than ours, and that’s going to continue until long after we overthrow one of them (if!). Therefore, the only way we can possibly beat them is if we spend our budget more wisely than they do.
That means that we have to buy players for less than the value of their ability, like we did with Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar and the rest. It’s easy to say we should buy a £20m player for £20m, but if we do we can’t afford to buy anyone else. Liverpool can buy 3 players worth £20m and have money to spare. If it just comes down to a war of who can spend the most money on established stars, there’s only going to be one winner.
The only way Everton can suceed is for every player to "add value", and be worth more than their fee. If we get Moutinho without filling the other gaps in the team (notably up front and a ball winner), then £20m on a top class attacking midfielder will be wasted. See Modric, Luka.
Having said that, if we can fill all the other gaps in the team (another striker, another DM, probably somebody with genuine pace too) with cheap buys and loan deals, then Moutinho becomes a good buy at £18m. But if we need to spend £8m to replace Carsley properly, then that’s what we have to do. Better team comes before better players.
The answer is of course yes, we would want that.
However, the truth is that if everybody knows a player is great, he’s going to cost a lot, and there’s going to be competition for his signiture.
It’s stating theobvious to say that the Sky 4 all have much money money to spend than we do. Their squads will cost more than ours, and that’s going to continue until long after we overthrow one of them (if!). Therefore, the only way we can possibly beat them is if we spend our budget more wisely than they do.
That means that we have to buy players for less than the value of their ability, like we did with Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar and the rest. It’s easy to say we should buy a £20m player for £20m, but if we do we can’t afford to buy anyone else. Liverpool can buy 3 players worth £20m and have money to spare. If it just comes down to a war of who can spend the most money on established stars, there’s only going to be one winner.
The only way Everton can suceed is for every player to "add value", and be worth more than their fee. If we get Moutinho without filling the other gaps in the team (notably up front and a ball winner), then £20m on a top class attacking midfielder will be wasted. See Modric, Luka.
Having said that, if we can fill all the other gaps in the team (another striker, another DM, probably somebody with genuine pace too) with cheap buys and loan deals, then Moutinho becomes a good buy at £18m. But if we need to spend £8m to replace Carsley properly, then that’s what we have to do. Better team comes before better players.
Whatever happened to the 'inevitable' Alan Smith deal with Newcastle?? I for one was looking forward to seeing what Moyes could do with this once very good footballer. Anyone shed any light on this?? I'm also waiting for SWP to make a dramatic u-turn and declare his heart lies at Everton....yeah whatever!!
Nelly, every football supporter of every football team at every level wants players they know ?something about?, that have ?known quality?. Your observation is a pointless one. I refer you back to your original post (which we are essentially discussing) in which you are already assuming these new signings are crap and a compromise simply on the basis that you yourself know nothing about them. I?m prepared to give them a chance first.
Your observations on Mouthino (?can?t say very much because I haven?t seen him play that much?") rather contradicts your above view and then you compound it by adding ?I still would have Fernandes because he CAN play?. And how do you know Manu can play? Because you?ve had a chance to see him during a couple of loan spells with EFC. What did you know about him before that? I would guess ? based on your comments so far ? little or nothing. And yet? you have already dismissed these unknown (to you) signings as mediocre. Did you say the same of Yobo, Howard and Pienaar when they all first came on loan? Give the new lads a chance?
You now acknowledge you are being negative and cynical. I always look for the positive and the best. Therein lies the difference between us. Your earlier comments rather DO imply that you consider yourself a better supporter than those who are ?too easily pleased?. As the window draws to a close, Moyes has to be very, very pragmatic. Yes ? quality would be nice, but the very urgent need for quantity cannot be overlooked or we could potentially be in trouble by Christmas.
Your observations on Mouthino (?can?t say very much because I haven?t seen him play that much?") rather contradicts your above view and then you compound it by adding ?I still would have Fernandes because he CAN play?. And how do you know Manu can play? Because you?ve had a chance to see him during a couple of loan spells with EFC. What did you know about him before that? I would guess ? based on your comments so far ? little or nothing. And yet? you have already dismissed these unknown (to you) signings as mediocre. Did you say the same of Yobo, Howard and Pienaar when they all first came on loan? Give the new lads a chance?
You now acknowledge you are being negative and cynical. I always look for the positive and the best. Therein lies the difference between us. Your earlier comments rather DO imply that you consider yourself a better supporter than those who are ?too easily pleased?. As the window draws to a close, Moyes has to be very, very pragmatic. Yes ? quality would be nice, but the very urgent need for quantity cannot be overlooked or we could potentially be in trouble by Christmas.
Heres some footage of him kids, for those that care....
http://www.101greatgoals.com/2008/08/video-evidence-segundo-castillo-everton/
http://www.101greatgoals.com/2008/08/video-evidence-segundo-castillo-everton/
Connor, you and I have done the Manu thing before. We both agree he is a very fine footballer. His second spell was not as impressive as the first, for various reasons. Make no mistake, I would like to see him ? on football ability alone ? at the club. Moyes has now had two looks at him and ? as I?ve already said to Nelly ? you sign a player not on ability alone. Other factors are very, very important. And ? knowing how some regard him in Portugal ? I can understand Moyes? reluctance in taking him on.
As you can gather, I am a HUGE fan of Moutinho, so I admit upfront my bias, but I really do not think I am exaggerating his worth. You evidently talk to different Sporting fans than me. They worship Moutinho and that is why there was such an outcry when the news first leaked we were in for him. The three players you mention are all technically gifted ? as are all good Portuguese footballers. Each has different attributes. A quick run-down and my placing of them in each category:
Consistency: 1) Moutinho (head and shoulders ? he NEVER has a bad game), 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Technical skills: All equal ? very little to choose between them
Passing range: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Passing accuracy: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Quickness of thought: 1) Moutinho, 2) Manu, 3) Veloso
Strength: 1) Veloso, 2) Moutinho, 3) Manu
Tackling: 1) Veloso, 2) Moutinho, 3) Manu
Stamina: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Shooting: 1) Veloso, 2) Moutinho, 3) Manu
Heading: 1) Moutinho (surprised?), 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Availability (to receive a pass): 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Ball retention: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Positional awareness: 1) Moutinho, 2) Manu, 3) Veloso
Leadership skills: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Team player: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Maturity: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Dependability: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Need I go on...? I refute ABSOLUTELY your claim that ?he?s not a player who?s going to win you a game or dominate games in the middle of the park?. Since he came into the very good Sporting side at 18 years of age he has done EXACTLY that. It is astonishing to see senior pros looking to basically a kid to pass to and dictate things for them. And sorry Connor? Moutinho doesn?t have the X-factor???? Phtttt! Nearly every weekend in Portugal there is one particular piece of magic to admire from Moutinho. If? IF we get him, he will transform our football. Pure and simple. THAT?s assuming the team play is built around him and the football is played through him.
And before anybody wades in with the ?another bloody midget? argument, the opposition has to catch him in possession first. His feet and brain are so quick, his ability to shield the ball so good, that the ball has arrived and gone before defenders get close to him
Can you guess?? I?m a HUGE fan!!!!!!!!!!
As you can gather, I am a HUGE fan of Moutinho, so I admit upfront my bias, but I really do not think I am exaggerating his worth. You evidently talk to different Sporting fans than me. They worship Moutinho and that is why there was such an outcry when the news first leaked we were in for him. The three players you mention are all technically gifted ? as are all good Portuguese footballers. Each has different attributes. A quick run-down and my placing of them in each category:
Consistency: 1) Moutinho (head and shoulders ? he NEVER has a bad game), 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Technical skills: All equal ? very little to choose between them
Passing range: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Passing accuracy: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Quickness of thought: 1) Moutinho, 2) Manu, 3) Veloso
Strength: 1) Veloso, 2) Moutinho, 3) Manu
Tackling: 1) Veloso, 2) Moutinho, 3) Manu
Stamina: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Shooting: 1) Veloso, 2) Moutinho, 3) Manu
Heading: 1) Moutinho (surprised?), 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Availability (to receive a pass): 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Ball retention: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Positional awareness: 1) Moutinho, 2) Manu, 3) Veloso
Leadership skills: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Team player: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Maturity: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Dependability: 1) Moutinho, 2) Veloso, 3) Manu
Need I go on...? I refute ABSOLUTELY your claim that ?he?s not a player who?s going to win you a game or dominate games in the middle of the park?. Since he came into the very good Sporting side at 18 years of age he has done EXACTLY that. It is astonishing to see senior pros looking to basically a kid to pass to and dictate things for them. And sorry Connor? Moutinho doesn?t have the X-factor???? Phtttt! Nearly every weekend in Portugal there is one particular piece of magic to admire from Moutinho. If? IF we get him, he will transform our football. Pure and simple. THAT?s assuming the team play is built around him and the football is played through him.
And before anybody wades in with the ?another bloody midget? argument, the opposition has to catch him in possession first. His feet and brain are so quick, his ability to shield the ball so good, that the ball has arrived and gone before defenders get close to him
Can you guess?? I?m a HUGE fan!!!!!!!!!!
Art...I?m bored with this now as it seems that in your world it is only your opinion that counts. Let?s see if you?re still saying ?give the new lads a chance? come Christmas time. I know how bad the last two performances have been because I WAS THERE !!... Do not be fooled by beating West Brom..
Brian...please dont worry about Wright-Philips affter all we?ve got Jacobsen & Castillo to fill the void haven?t we ??
Brian...please dont worry about Wright-Philips affter all we?ve got Jacobsen & Castillo to fill the void haven?t we ??
To Stu Hudson and Nelly (& others),
My opinion...........last season our team was good enough but it lacked depth and cover........one could argue we lacked quality but considering what we did I truly believe it was the lack of cover that hurt us rather than any lack of quality (I?M NOT SAYING WE DON?T NEED QUALITY ADDITIONS, we absolutely do need them!)........basically for what we had last season - we did good!
Other than Carsley the players we?ve lost did not contribute in a big way....certainly not Wessels or Gardner, most people seemed not to like McFadden when he was here (definitely hit and miss for EFC), who else.....oh yeah Manny.....I think his contribution in his 2nd spell was next to nothing......no doubt he?ll be a star one day but not for us.....not that big a loss...........
Losing AJ was a surprise but it provided a profit on his deal and he did seem lost last season....one very notable performance and some good goals but we weren?t getting the best out of him (not necessarilty his fault).
So, as I was saying, we need cover as much as we need quality..........based on what I?ve seen and on paper the Dane and especially Castillo look very good indeed.....not star players but very good cover/depth/squad players........what we need!
The Obinha(sp?) guy looks really good!!!
It may only be two games into the season but already the teams below are exactly that....BELOW us.....it?s not like we?re bottom looking up and that?s with 2 of our star players out (TC & Peanuts), plus Anichebe & Hibbert........and to date no new players (playing) ..............so as we move forward things can only get better...........I suspect we?ll go back in for Moutinho........I think that?s why in part we?re going for loan deals to free up money now for a star player.
The other plus is that if Cahill and Vaughn can stay fit (a big IF) then in truth that is like two new players....we joke about that on this site but it?s true...........Vaughn didn?t play a game if I?m not mistaken and TC was out most of the season and when he did play he was banging goals in.
I never thought I?d speak up for EFC but things ain?t as bad as some people make out.........DK is a whole different aspect and I wouldn?t touch it with a barge pole but as to the players, new or otherwise.........I?m looking forward to the season!!!
Just to clarify and I?ve said this several times in other postings, the pre-season and 24/7 hunt for new players was all crap..........this coming season hopefully won?t be impacted by all that?s happened, or rather not happened.
My opinion...........last season our team was good enough but it lacked depth and cover........one could argue we lacked quality but considering what we did I truly believe it was the lack of cover that hurt us rather than any lack of quality (I?M NOT SAYING WE DON?T NEED QUALITY ADDITIONS, we absolutely do need them!)........basically for what we had last season - we did good!
Other than Carsley the players we?ve lost did not contribute in a big way....certainly not Wessels or Gardner, most people seemed not to like McFadden when he was here (definitely hit and miss for EFC), who else.....oh yeah Manny.....I think his contribution in his 2nd spell was next to nothing......no doubt he?ll be a star one day but not for us.....not that big a loss...........
Losing AJ was a surprise but it provided a profit on his deal and he did seem lost last season....one very notable performance and some good goals but we weren?t getting the best out of him (not necessarilty his fault).
So, as I was saying, we need cover as much as we need quality..........based on what I?ve seen and on paper the Dane and especially Castillo look very good indeed.....not star players but very good cover/depth/squad players........what we need!
The Obinha(sp?) guy looks really good!!!
It may only be two games into the season but already the teams below are exactly that....BELOW us.....it?s not like we?re bottom looking up and that?s with 2 of our star players out (TC & Peanuts), plus Anichebe & Hibbert........and to date no new players (playing) ..............so as we move forward things can only get better...........I suspect we?ll go back in for Moutinho........I think that?s why in part we?re going for loan deals to free up money now for a star player.
The other plus is that if Cahill and Vaughn can stay fit (a big IF) then in truth that is like two new players....we joke about that on this site but it?s true...........Vaughn didn?t play a game if I?m not mistaken and TC was out most of the season and when he did play he was banging goals in.
I never thought I?d speak up for EFC but things ain?t as bad as some people make out.........DK is a whole different aspect and I wouldn?t touch it with a barge pole but as to the players, new or otherwise.........I?m looking forward to the season!!!
Just to clarify and I?ve said this several times in other postings, the pre-season and 24/7 hunt for new players was all crap..........this coming season hopefully won?t be impacted by all that?s happened, or rather not happened.
Art Greeth,
You must be watching a completely different player. Moutinho is intelligent, he?s a tidy player, he works his socks off and he keeps everything ticking in the midfield area. In terms of long range passing and passing from deeper positions he?s not a patch on either Fernandes or Veloso. Both Fernandes and Veloso are deep lying midfielder, there main attributes are there ability to pass from deep right through the middle of the park.
Physically Moutinho is the weaker off the three, which is quite obvious. Any football fan who?s watched him would tell you that. His game is about movement, finding space and keeping away from tight situations where he is likely to be bullied. Fernandes on the other hand has good body strength and has good shielding techniques; he can shield the ball under pressure and keep the ball under control. Yes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VptyYcpLE54
Yes, this is only a YouTube video but it quite clearly shows how strong Fernandes is when he?s on his game. Diaby is a big player, 6?3 and very strong, the amount of times he bounces of Fernandes in that game and comes out worse just shows. Physically Moutinho is the worst of the three, Fernandes is quicker, stronger and more capable in one on one situations.
In terms of movement off the ball when your team is in possession they all are good. I?ve watched all three and they all move to the ball and support there back fours when they are in possession. When the team is not in possession and your defending Moutinho is without doubt the best, he?s tenacious, he has good positional sense and he knows and when and where to move. Fernandes still has to improve in that area, he is lazy at times and his tracking back isn?t always great.
Technically they are all very similar, like the majority of young Portuguese players. In terms of shooting and technique when striking a ball I?d have to disagree with you, Veloso and Fernandes have rocket shots. They generate alot more power in there shots, Moutinho from what I?ve seen has a good shot and good accuracy but there?s no way he generates the same amount of power as Manny and Veloso. Is he has please show me some videos of his shooting abilities.
In terms of consistency Moutinho is the better of the three but what you?ve got to realise is Fernandes have continually moved from club to club because of his third party ownership bollocks and the ridiculous 12 million price tag on his head at 18. If Moutinho had been in the same situation he?d realistically be in the same situation. What I?m saying is given the Stability Moutinho has received at Sporting Fernandes would be on a similar level. In terms of natural ability there isn?t much difference at all. Moutinho is better and always will be but not by the margin you make out.
As I?ve said Moutinho is a team player, if you think he?s a Deco, Figo or a Rui Costa then you?re deluding yourself. Deco for example is a magic player, a flair player and he can run and win games on his own. He can open up teams and has the ability to dictate the pace. Moutinho no doubt has play making qualities and class but that?s not his game. His game is about energy, positioning and knitting things together in the middle of the park. That?s what he did in the Euros playing in between the Petit and Deco and that?s what he does for Sporting. Moutinho isn?t the main play maker at Sporting; he plays on the right side of a diamond midfield.
Moutinho for me is a tic tac man, keeps things moving, keeps the midfield ticking nicely and gives you nice things in Spurts. The odd drive forward and nice passes here and there. But it?s all about opinions really, maybe we judge players differently. He?s one of those players who aren?t noticeable until he?s missing. If he gets injured you see the effect it has on the team.
I rate him highly, I?d love him here but I am realistic. I can see why Moyes doesn?t want to spend 20 million on him. I think Sporting have every right to demand that price in today?s market though.
You must be watching a completely different player. Moutinho is intelligent, he?s a tidy player, he works his socks off and he keeps everything ticking in the midfield area. In terms of long range passing and passing from deeper positions he?s not a patch on either Fernandes or Veloso. Both Fernandes and Veloso are deep lying midfielder, there main attributes are there ability to pass from deep right through the middle of the park.
Physically Moutinho is the weaker off the three, which is quite obvious. Any football fan who?s watched him would tell you that. His game is about movement, finding space and keeping away from tight situations where he is likely to be bullied. Fernandes on the other hand has good body strength and has good shielding techniques; he can shield the ball under pressure and keep the ball under control. Yes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VptyYcpLE54
Yes, this is only a YouTube video but it quite clearly shows how strong Fernandes is when he?s on his game. Diaby is a big player, 6?3 and very strong, the amount of times he bounces of Fernandes in that game and comes out worse just shows. Physically Moutinho is the worst of the three, Fernandes is quicker, stronger and more capable in one on one situations.
In terms of movement off the ball when your team is in possession they all are good. I?ve watched all three and they all move to the ball and support there back fours when they are in possession. When the team is not in possession and your defending Moutinho is without doubt the best, he?s tenacious, he has good positional sense and he knows and when and where to move. Fernandes still has to improve in that area, he is lazy at times and his tracking back isn?t always great.
Technically they are all very similar, like the majority of young Portuguese players. In terms of shooting and technique when striking a ball I?d have to disagree with you, Veloso and Fernandes have rocket shots. They generate alot more power in there shots, Moutinho from what I?ve seen has a good shot and good accuracy but there?s no way he generates the same amount of power as Manny and Veloso. Is he has please show me some videos of his shooting abilities.
In terms of consistency Moutinho is the better of the three but what you?ve got to realise is Fernandes have continually moved from club to club because of his third party ownership bollocks and the ridiculous 12 million price tag on his head at 18. If Moutinho had been in the same situation he?d realistically be in the same situation. What I?m saying is given the Stability Moutinho has received at Sporting Fernandes would be on a similar level. In terms of natural ability there isn?t much difference at all. Moutinho is better and always will be but not by the margin you make out.
As I?ve said Moutinho is a team player, if you think he?s a Deco, Figo or a Rui Costa then you?re deluding yourself. Deco for example is a magic player, a flair player and he can run and win games on his own. He can open up teams and has the ability to dictate the pace. Moutinho no doubt has play making qualities and class but that?s not his game. His game is about energy, positioning and knitting things together in the middle of the park. That?s what he did in the Euros playing in between the Petit and Deco and that?s what he does for Sporting. Moutinho isn?t the main play maker at Sporting; he plays on the right side of a diamond midfield.
Moutinho for me is a tic tac man, keeps things moving, keeps the midfield ticking nicely and gives you nice things in Spurts. The odd drive forward and nice passes here and there. But it?s all about opinions really, maybe we judge players differently. He?s one of those players who aren?t noticeable until he?s missing. If he gets injured you see the effect it has on the team.
I rate him highly, I?d love him here but I am realistic. I can see why Moyes doesn?t want to spend 20 million on him. I think Sporting have every right to demand that price in today?s market though.
Connor, things we agree on:
Moutinho is intelligent, tidy, works his socks off, and keeps everything ticking in the midfield area (although here I must add he does this ALL OVER the pitch. Watch how many times he is the first to hand to help out a pressured defence and support a threatening attack). He has good movement, finds space and (qualifying you words a little here) is good in tight situations. He is a team player - supports when defending, he?s tenacious, has good positional sense and knows and when and where to move. He is extremely consistent.
Things we disagree on:
?In terms of long range passing and passing from deeper positions he?s not a patch on either Fernandes or Veloso. Both Fernandes and Veloso are deep lying midfielder, there main attributes are there ability to pass from deep right through the middle of the park.?
WHAT? And you say I?M looking at a different Moutinho to you??!!
You?ve seen Manu in the flesh in an Everton shirt. How many times did he play the deep lying midfielder role you attribute to him? How many EFFECTIVE passes do you recall from him from deep right through the middle of the park? Indeed, how many truly killer passes did he make in his entire Everton career? Take your time. It won?t add up to much. Veloso plays in a much more advanced role for Sporting. Yes, he has a nice range of passing, but Moutinho truly plays the vital linking role and has a full set of clubs in his bag when it comes to passing range.
Don?t confuse physic and height with weakness and strength. Clearly, Veloso wins on this count off the three. Remember Bally? An absolute terrier ? a beast to defend against, a rottweiler to take the ball from. Moutinho is not of that ilk, but he knows how to put his foot in and how to ride a tackle. Fernandes too has MOMENTS when he rides physical challenges well, but? how many other times did you see him cheaply lose possession because of poor pass selection and losing out in a soft tackle? So to say ?Fernandes is quicker, stronger and more capable in one on one situations? ? nah! The last claim in particular is way, WAY off beam.
Greyer areas: shooting is not only about power. It is about accuracy and opportunity too. Veloso comes first here, but ? here?s the thing ? look at their respective career stats (including international appearances): Moutinho ? 124 app ? 14 goals, Manu 109 app ? 6 goals, Veloso 58 app ? 1 goal. Now this is just a quick search on Wiki, so I ? probably like you ? am puzzled by just the single goal for Veloso, but that?s Wiki for you. Whatever, the stats do not back up your claim.
If you?re so keen to see videos of Moutinho?s shooting abilities, search him out on Youtube. You will find the usual type of compilation and ? to back up what I?m saying ? it shows the cuteness of some of his shooting.
Don?t get your point about Fernandes moving from club to club unless? unless it is to highlight a potential flaw the lad has which makes Moyes reluctant to take him on. When he first came on the scene at Benfica he won the championship under the Italian coach Trappotoni and was a regular performer. In came Koeman and there was a big fall out. You know the rest? Why assume it is the club?s failing when it could well be the player himself?
My comparison of Moutinho was to your choices, Veloso and Manu. I have made NO comparison of him to Deco, Figo or Rui Costa, so don?t falsely accuse me of doing so. All three you mention are/were unique talents ? wonderful footballers. Moutinho can reach those heights. You are WRONG-WRONG-WRONG to keep repeating that Moutinho does not necessarily have the ability to open up teams and to dictate the pace of a game. You are WRONG-WRONG-WRONG to say he isn?t the main play maker at Sporting and state that he plays on the right side of a diamond midfield. His role is far, far more fluid than that. Why?? ? ehrm? because he is the team play maker.
But as ever Connor, good to have a healthy footy conversation with someone as knowledgeable and passionate about the game as yourself?
Moutinho is intelligent, tidy, works his socks off, and keeps everything ticking in the midfield area (although here I must add he does this ALL OVER the pitch. Watch how many times he is the first to hand to help out a pressured defence and support a threatening attack). He has good movement, finds space and (qualifying you words a little here) is good in tight situations. He is a team player - supports when defending, he?s tenacious, has good positional sense and knows and when and where to move. He is extremely consistent.
Things we disagree on:
?In terms of long range passing and passing from deeper positions he?s not a patch on either Fernandes or Veloso. Both Fernandes and Veloso are deep lying midfielder, there main attributes are there ability to pass from deep right through the middle of the park.?
WHAT? And you say I?M looking at a different Moutinho to you??!!
You?ve seen Manu in the flesh in an Everton shirt. How many times did he play the deep lying midfielder role you attribute to him? How many EFFECTIVE passes do you recall from him from deep right through the middle of the park? Indeed, how many truly killer passes did he make in his entire Everton career? Take your time. It won?t add up to much. Veloso plays in a much more advanced role for Sporting. Yes, he has a nice range of passing, but Moutinho truly plays the vital linking role and has a full set of clubs in his bag when it comes to passing range.
Don?t confuse physic and height with weakness and strength. Clearly, Veloso wins on this count off the three. Remember Bally? An absolute terrier ? a beast to defend against, a rottweiler to take the ball from. Moutinho is not of that ilk, but he knows how to put his foot in and how to ride a tackle. Fernandes too has MOMENTS when he rides physical challenges well, but? how many other times did you see him cheaply lose possession because of poor pass selection and losing out in a soft tackle? So to say ?Fernandes is quicker, stronger and more capable in one on one situations? ? nah! The last claim in particular is way, WAY off beam.
Greyer areas: shooting is not only about power. It is about accuracy and opportunity too. Veloso comes first here, but ? here?s the thing ? look at their respective career stats (including international appearances): Moutinho ? 124 app ? 14 goals, Manu 109 app ? 6 goals, Veloso 58 app ? 1 goal. Now this is just a quick search on Wiki, so I ? probably like you ? am puzzled by just the single goal for Veloso, but that?s Wiki for you. Whatever, the stats do not back up your claim.
If you?re so keen to see videos of Moutinho?s shooting abilities, search him out on Youtube. You will find the usual type of compilation and ? to back up what I?m saying ? it shows the cuteness of some of his shooting.
Don?t get your point about Fernandes moving from club to club unless? unless it is to highlight a potential flaw the lad has which makes Moyes reluctant to take him on. When he first came on the scene at Benfica he won the championship under the Italian coach Trappotoni and was a regular performer. In came Koeman and there was a big fall out. You know the rest? Why assume it is the club?s failing when it could well be the player himself?
My comparison of Moutinho was to your choices, Veloso and Manu. I have made NO comparison of him to Deco, Figo or Rui Costa, so don?t falsely accuse me of doing so. All three you mention are/were unique talents ? wonderful footballers. Moutinho can reach those heights. You are WRONG-WRONG-WRONG to keep repeating that Moutinho does not necessarily have the ability to open up teams and to dictate the pace of a game. You are WRONG-WRONG-WRONG to say he isn?t the main play maker at Sporting and state that he plays on the right side of a diamond midfield. His role is far, far more fluid than that. Why?? ? ehrm? because he is the team play maker.
But as ever Connor, good to have a healthy footy conversation with someone as knowledgeable and passionate about the game as yourself?
Oh FFS Nelly, grow up!
You expressed your opinion, I expressed mine. The rest of your post only serves to confirm your pessimism and negativity and total inability to justify your condemnation of players you know nothing about before they?ve even played for the club. Wallow in your own mire if you like. I won?t join you.
Byeeeeeeeeee!!
You expressed your opinion, I expressed mine. The rest of your post only serves to confirm your pessimism and negativity and total inability to justify your condemnation of players you know nothing about before they?ve even played for the club. Wallow in your own mire if you like. I won?t join you.
Byeeeeeeeeee!!
That Obinna looks about as good as Rob Earnshaw on youtube. Remember Majid Bougherra? That worked out well for Charlton didn’t it!
The lad hasn’t even signed yet Jon, so lets reserve judgement for a while at least!!!!
Hey Matty, i’m just stating he looks as good as old Rob on youtube.
COME ON THE SUPER TOFFEE EAGLES!!!
COME ON THE SUPER TOFFEE EAGLES!!!
Is he really that ugly Jon?
What’s wrong Art ??...someone disagree with YOUR opinion ??...and you say I’m pompous
I have every right to be negative and pessimistic because I’ve actually seen the last two performances.
As I’ve said hope you’re right and I’m wrong....but I’ve just got this feeling that I’ll be posting to YOU around Xmas.
I have every right to be negative and pessimistic because I’ve actually seen the last two performances.
As I’ve said hope you’re right and I’m wrong....but I’ve just got this feeling that I’ll be posting to YOU around Xmas.
You?re right actually Matty, I don?t want to be harsh on the little guy, at least he doesn?t look like a goblin does he?
Art my man, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. I was in the middle of writing a post and just got very bored.
Another time though definatly, we’ll have another one of our battles. Anyway, Always nice to talk to you mate.
Another time though definatly, we’ll have another one of our battles. Anyway, Always nice to talk to you mate.
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Blackburn nearly got him..........Moyes does it again!!