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First Jacobsen, now Castillo, Obinna and Zayette? So a possible four players in with an outlay of about 75p give or take a few pence.
Quoting David Moyes loosely, "there's money to spend, it's there" etc etc etc..... He doesn't seem keen to spend it though does he? And this after reiterating his desire to bring in top-class players ? not mid-table Premier League ones. I just hope, as seemingly many others do, that Mr Moyes is filling slots as and where he can on the cheap to blow the cash that's always been there (and apparently stuck there) on the last day of the window on the BIG ONE!!!!
If that's the case, remind me never to play poker with David Moyes because he's got some cojones (balls to you and me) holding out until the eleventh hour and playing hardball with Sporting, Rennes, or whoever... Surey that's what he's doing though, because we couldn't be skint could we?
No we can't be becuase we bid £12 million on Moutinho, £6 million on M'bia, and £10M (or £12M was it) on Riera? It's a shame Sporting quoted £20M, Rennes £10M, and Riera is now a Liverpool player.
Oh well I'm off to get ready to go and buy a new car. There's a BMW I've had my eye on for some time. It's up for £35k but I'm going to buy it for £12k....
Brian Williams, Posted 28/08/2008 at 06:30:30
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I think it's great news! 2 loan deals done! Can we manage another 5 loan deals before the deadline? Perhaps we could just tip the odds in our favour on one of them by offering say £10 worth of M & S Vouchers or a complimentary ticket to Blood Brothers? God forbid that money should be involved in any of our deals or we might just get a player we really want!
We’ve got new players in. I’m not complaining anymore. A few more days left for new faces. I hope we get back those points from the Blackburn game. COYB
Is there a limit on the number of loan players a team can field? Are we just delaying the problem?
The saga rolls on.
Injured players (Jacobsen). Players we ain’t heard of..Has Moyes. Players we can’t and never could afford...take your pick.
This summer has been and continues to be a shambles.
Peoples club....More like Paupers club.
We have got rid of Billy Bullshit Mk 2 (Wyness) but I for one hope he speaks out before the EGM.
Why? ....So that the lies about funding(or lack of) can be exposed and Blue Bill is made to answer for the shambles that is Everton FC.
This summer has seen the good name, standing and reputation of the Peoples Club dragged through the mud and to an all time low.
Not only are we now shopping in Poundland, but the few pounds we have are being streched to the limit on elastoplast players that NO ONE, not even Moyes would be contemplating IF THE CASH WAS THERE.
BLUE BILL GET THE F>>K OUT and leave whats left of this once great institution to someone who cares.
Good luck Davey your gonna need it.
PS Dont think he will be here come Christmas as there is an empty seat at the Salford SCUM
Injured players (Jacobsen). Players we ain’t heard of..Has Moyes. Players we can’t and never could afford...take your pick.
This summer has been and continues to be a shambles.
Peoples club....More like Paupers club.
We have got rid of Billy Bullshit Mk 2 (Wyness) but I for one hope he speaks out before the EGM.
Why? ....So that the lies about funding(or lack of) can be exposed and Blue Bill is made to answer for the shambles that is Everton FC.
This summer has seen the good name, standing and reputation of the Peoples Club dragged through the mud and to an all time low.
Not only are we now shopping in Poundland, but the few pounds we have are being streched to the limit on elastoplast players that NO ONE, not even Moyes would be contemplating IF THE CASH WAS THERE.
BLUE BILL GET THE F>>K OUT and leave whats left of this once great institution to someone who cares.
Good luck Davey your gonna need it.
PS Dont think he will be here come Christmas as there is an empty seat at the Salford SCUM
Did anyone watch the 2 legs of the Liverpool v Standard Leige? That guy Felliani was fantastic in both games, I also seem to remember reading somewhere that we had a bid rejected for him back in Jan.
This guys is a big lad and would fit the statue that we should be looking for, also seemed a relatively decent passer and always seemed to be everywhere on the pitch.
Anyone else think Moyes should go back in for him?
This guys is a big lad and would fit the statue that we should be looking for, also seemed a relatively decent passer and always seemed to be everywhere on the pitch.
Anyone else think Moyes should go back in for him?
Moyes is making do with what he can scrape together now. I very much doubt that we’ll be getting Moutinho in the next 3 days.
The silence has been deafening on the M’Bia front and now Castillo, a defensive midfielder, has signed. Obinna ticks another box, if he comes, as a striker is needed to cover AJ’s departure.
I’m hoping against hope that SWP signs for us, but I very much doubt that it’ll materialise. We’ll probably have 5 players in before the deadline, but I doubt it’ll be anyone exciting.
It’s clearly got to the point where Moyes can’t get the players he really wants, so he’s just filling in the numbers with what are hopefully half-decent players.
The silence has been deafening on the M’Bia front and now Castillo, a defensive midfielder, has signed. Obinna ticks another box, if he comes, as a striker is needed to cover AJ’s departure.
I’m hoping against hope that SWP signs for us, but I very much doubt that it’ll materialise. We’ll probably have 5 players in before the deadline, but I doubt it’ll be anyone exciting.
It’s clearly got to the point where Moyes can’t get the players he really wants, so he’s just filling in the numbers with what are hopefully half-decent players.
Jason Lam - I can see you?re a man who?s easily pleased.
We sign a another defender ( WHO WAS REFUSED A CONTRACT BY COLCHESTER the other year ) & suddenly your happy.
Moyes said in May ?we need 6 or 7? and ?We need quailty?, how on earth do these last minuite desperation deals address tyhat ! ? !
He also said he didn?t know if we would be shopping at ? Harrods or the bargain basement ?.
Well the truth is not even poundland as we are now reduced to BEG, STEALING & BORROWING our way accross Europe dragging our clubs reputation into the gutter.
Perhaps we should take down the ?People?s club? motto from Goodison & replace it with ?THE BORROWER?S ? !!!
We sign a another defender ( WHO WAS REFUSED A CONTRACT BY COLCHESTER the other year ) & suddenly your happy.
Moyes said in May ?we need 6 or 7? and ?We need quailty?, how on earth do these last minuite desperation deals address tyhat ! ? !
He also said he didn?t know if we would be shopping at ? Harrods or the bargain basement ?.
Well the truth is not even poundland as we are now reduced to BEG, STEALING & BORROWING our way accross Europe dragging our clubs reputation into the gutter.
Perhaps we should take down the ?People?s club? motto from Goodison & replace it with ?THE BORROWER?S ? !!!
Just ask your source Brian, he seems to know a lot about the financial situation at Goodison.
Same old story, we browse around Harrods, but carry a Aldi credit card.
Tony Williams: Well pardon me for suggesting it Tony but it sort of DOES like we’re skint doesn’t it?
...which if I remeber rightly is exactly what he said wasn’t it?
Don’t shoot the messenger mate. We’re all as pissed off as you obviously are.
Tell you what makes me laugh though...these people wit the attitude of "well I don’t know anyone at the club so he doesn’t either, he’s full of shit etc etc."
My "source" and I have a mutual friend
..end of story...Oh, except that even he’s being fed absolute bull from the most loved man on the Blue side of the Mersey.
...which if I remeber rightly is exactly what he said wasn’t it?
Don’t shoot the messenger mate. We’re all as pissed off as you obviously are.
Tell you what makes me laugh though...these people wit the attitude of "well I don’t know anyone at the club so he doesn’t either, he’s full of shit etc etc."
My "source" and I have a mutual friend
..end of story...Oh, except that even he’s being fed absolute bull from the most loved man on the Blue side of the Mersey.
I’ve said in another post, don’t be critical of these players until they’ve had time to settle in and prove themselves. They’ve been brought in on similar deals to a number of players who are now the quality players that form the core of our squad. Other teams unearthed gems for limited cash, ie Santa Cruz, who’se to say that one or two of these players won’t be similar. Arsene Wenger signs virtual unknows who go on to be Premier League quality for next to nothing so keep the faith. Moyes would rather go without than not have good players and he’s brought these guys in with a low risk strategy.
Pity there is no inflection with the t’internet. Didn’t mean it nastily but jokingly Brian.
I am as pissed off with the transfer farce as everyone else but if I didn’t try and laugh I would roll up into the foetal position and cry until the window closes and probably after it also.
I am as pissed off with the transfer farce as everyone else but if I didn’t try and laugh I would roll up into the foetal position and cry until the window closes and probably after it also.
Pienaar and Arteta came on loan first and proved to be bargains - less than £5m for the pair. Let’s give the new boys a chance! The money is there for the right player but there’s no point wasting cash if Rennes and Sporting don’t want to sell yet.
Davey is still on the track of two BIG PLAYERS and will spend upwards of £20M! I was assured of that last night by people with whom I have now ?restored relations?. And,another thing, didn?t somebody report that a betting Exchange was taking that figure as a mean on which to base all wagers on club outlay? The bookies are never wrong, are they!!!!!
I’ve supported Everton for nearly 50 years and I’ve/we’ve been through some difficult times over those years but I’ve never ever felt embarrassed to be an Everton supporter until this summer.
We have now displayed "to the world" that we are basically a scavenging, mean, amateurish club. We’re like a Conference side just come up to the League and we are desperate to take any scraps around .
Only 3 months ago we had visions of attaining a sustained attack on a CL top 4 position and what we have demonstrated is that we are a club performing way beyond our resoures, but unsustainable, we are a "small" club in the eyes of top quality players and frankly we are a "the"club that others would rather not deal with.
We havent got the substance , the aura , the cash , the professionalism to even just be in the Premiership - as in Tony’s words (and I never ever thought I’d agree with him) we are a complete shambles.
We have now displayed "to the world" that we are basically a scavenging, mean, amateurish club. We’re like a Conference side just come up to the League and we are desperate to take any scraps around .
Only 3 months ago we had visions of attaining a sustained attack on a CL top 4 position and what we have demonstrated is that we are a club performing way beyond our resoures, but unsustainable, we are a "small" club in the eyes of top quality players and frankly we are a "the"club that others would rather not deal with.
We havent got the substance , the aura , the cash , the professionalism to even just be in the Premiership - as in Tony’s words (and I never ever thought I’d agree with him) we are a complete shambles.
I’m most comforted by the words of Dicky Dodd. Good to hear he’s made it up with the spin merchants who feed us daily shit via the OS and Echo.
Doddy Lad,prepare to have your newly ’restored ’faith pushed back down your throat.And then fucking do one- permanently this time!
Doddy Lad,prepare to have your newly ’restored ’faith pushed back down your throat.And then fucking do one- permanently this time!
Mark Pendleton, Santa Cruz an ’unearthed gem’? With all respect, that shows that some people really don’t look beyond the borders of England. Santa Cruz played 188 games for Bayern Munich, one of the biggest clubs in Europe. 7th in terms of turnover, 150,000 official members. He played about 30 games in the Champions League for them.
The players we are signing or are going for all will see Everton as the biggest club they ever played for and they are all names that only the real connaisseur knew. To compare them to an arrived star from a huge club doesn’t really help your case.
The players we are signing or are going for all will see Everton as the biggest club they ever played for and they are all names that only the real connaisseur knew. To compare them to an arrived star from a huge club doesn’t really help your case.
Next year I?m going to get in touch with the Ticket Office and offer to take my season ticket on a one-season loan, with a view to purchasing the ticket for the following season at a reduced price. Seems to be all the rage this year.....
YOU BUNCH OF FUCKING MOANING BASTARDS.
I am usually quite constructive on here but I am at the end of my tether now, this is ridiculous.
You lot cry, whing, piss and moan about not having bodies, now we are getting 3 international players in and you still moan.
We also have a few days left to make some more signings.
FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!
GIVE THE NEW GUYS A CHANCE.
HAD ANY OF YOU HEARD OF YOBO OR PIENAAR BEFORE THEY SIGNED? NO.
I am usually quite constructive on here but I am at the end of my tether now, this is ridiculous.
You lot cry, whing, piss and moan about not having bodies, now we are getting 3 international players in and you still moan.
We also have a few days left to make some more signings.
FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!
GIVE THE NEW GUYS A CHANCE.
HAD ANY OF YOU HEARD OF YOBO OR PIENAAR BEFORE THEY SIGNED? NO.
Are people on here deliberately igonoring the facts? The only reason we have been loaning people instead of buying them is because we dont have any money until Kirkby goes through. It is not rocket science.
Stop burying your heads in the sand. Wake up and smell the coffee. No kirkby, no investment, no players.
Stop burying your heads in the sand. Wake up and smell the coffee. No kirkby, no investment, no players.
Castillo is an established international and must be better than Neville so I’m more pleased than I was this time yesterday.
Brian, I’m glad you’re now being more pragmatic about the information your source has given you and not stating it as fact. It does seem though that your initial prediction of us being skint was more accurate and you should have stuck to this story.
Brian, I’m glad you’re now being more pragmatic about the information your source has given you and not stating it as fact. It does seem though that your initial prediction of us being skint was more accurate and you should have stuck to this story.
Give these new boys a chance mate. A few days to go, we may get some more players in too.
£6m for Beattie, £8m for AJ, and both couldn?t cut it.
Still hoping for Moutinho.
£6m for Beattie, £8m for AJ, and both couldn?t cut it.
Still hoping for Moutinho.
I agree with you Anthony, in the eyes of some supporters the club are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Moysey has signed (so far) 2 international players, so they cant be as "bargain basement" as some of you seem to be if they are playing representative football.
How about we give the new lads a chance before you slag them off!!!!!!!!!!!
How about we give the new lads a chance before you slag them off!!!!!!!!!!!
For fuck?s sake. It seems a couple of you have written off the loan signings before they?ve stepped onto the tarmac at John Lennon.
I know the summer has been unbearable, but let?s give DM just a modicum of slack and wait until we see how these fellas perform on the pitch before we pass judgement. I fully appreciate that we don?t know anything about them ? but that?s the point ? how many of us knew anything about Lescott, Yobo or Cahill before they arrived?
Personally, given the torture of the past few weeks, I?d have taken anybody with a pulse and Barry Horne out of retirement seemed a reasonable option. And yes, I know these signings aren?t the high-profile ones we?d all been hoping for, but things are clearly gathering pace on the transfer front so we may yet be surprised.
Of all the players we have lost fairly recently, (Stubbs, Wessels, Carsley, McFadden etc) none were world beaters and should be easily replaced. When these signings happen (photo in the echo with a scarf aloft etc) we should be around about where we were at the end of last season. Not the progress we all wanted, but no where near as disastrous as we had imagined either. And we still have until Monday.
My glass is now a quarter full.
I know the summer has been unbearable, but let?s give DM just a modicum of slack and wait until we see how these fellas perform on the pitch before we pass judgement. I fully appreciate that we don?t know anything about them ? but that?s the point ? how many of us knew anything about Lescott, Yobo or Cahill before they arrived?
Personally, given the torture of the past few weeks, I?d have taken anybody with a pulse and Barry Horne out of retirement seemed a reasonable option. And yes, I know these signings aren?t the high-profile ones we?d all been hoping for, but things are clearly gathering pace on the transfer front so we may yet be surprised.
Of all the players we have lost fairly recently, (Stubbs, Wessels, Carsley, McFadden etc) none were world beaters and should be easily replaced. When these signings happen (photo in the echo with a scarf aloft etc) we should be around about where we were at the end of last season. Not the progress we all wanted, but no where near as disastrous as we had imagined either. And we still have until Monday.
My glass is now a quarter full.
Mike Oates... you are EXACTLY correct. I’m in total agreement... feeling embarrassed to be a fan of such a desperate club... who wanted Jacobsen and Castillo in May? Nobody. We needed an Arshavin or a Riquelme or a Moutinho - someone with the skill to carve up an opposition. We are back to the dogs of war bullshit - hoof and hope.
NOT GOOD enough Dithering Dave and Bullshit Bill!
NOT GOOD enough Dithering Dave and Bullshit Bill!
OK. So far we haven’t signed the quality we wanted (though there is still time) But how many people can truely say they know these players inside out until they play for us? I’m assuming no one. Lets just wait until they play then judge them. A week ago we had nobody. I personally was not looking forward to the season. Now we have two, possible three players in key areas. Ok, they’re not Mouthino, M’bia etc.But I welcome them, it’s better than what we had, which was young inexperienced players playing in key positions. Give the boys a chance. Especially as it seems as Moyes is falling back on plan B or C. Better than having no plan.
Can I categorically state that, other than a genuine disaster such as Heysel in which it is irrefutable that the club, its officials or its supporters were directly responsible for, I am not ... have never been ... will never be ... embarrassed to be an Evertonian, nor will I ever disguise the fact that I am one.
I thank you.
I thank you.
I don’t get most of you guys on here at all, I just don’t get your mentality.
Whether or not there is money - and I don’t know, neither do any of you - some of you people seem to want to spend it, just for the sake of spending it. I’d hate you looking after my finances.
Although generally you get what you pay for, football matches are (thankfully) not won by some kind of Top Trumps comparison of transfer fees but on the field. On that score, we’ve been doing pretty well in recent years in case you haven’t noticed. Some of you would have Moyes spend whatever money he has just to "blow the cash" to quote the OP. Thankfully, Moyes is more sensible than that. He is not Harry Redknapp - and before anyone goes down that route: for every gem *he* uncovers there are 4 or 5 speculative punts on shite who fade away after a while. Moyes goes for value and I for one am glad that he does.
There’s no way he would take a player he didn’t know about and one year loans for internationals is a tried, trusted and proven Moyes tactic. There is no change there this year from any other.
His judgement has proved sound overall, since all transfers are a gamble to some degree or other.
Whatever the finance situation I trust his judgement infinitely more than the ranters on here and I for one will be cheering on the new boys if either of them (or indeed any others!) start on Saturday.
Whether or not there is money - and I don’t know, neither do any of you - some of you people seem to want to spend it, just for the sake of spending it. I’d hate you looking after my finances.
Although generally you get what you pay for, football matches are (thankfully) not won by some kind of Top Trumps comparison of transfer fees but on the field. On that score, we’ve been doing pretty well in recent years in case you haven’t noticed. Some of you would have Moyes spend whatever money he has just to "blow the cash" to quote the OP. Thankfully, Moyes is more sensible than that. He is not Harry Redknapp - and before anyone goes down that route: for every gem *he* uncovers there are 4 or 5 speculative punts on shite who fade away after a while. Moyes goes for value and I for one am glad that he does.
There’s no way he would take a player he didn’t know about and one year loans for internationals is a tried, trusted and proven Moyes tactic. There is no change there this year from any other.
His judgement has proved sound overall, since all transfers are a gamble to some degree or other.
Whatever the finance situation I trust his judgement infinitely more than the ranters on here and I for one will be cheering on the new boys if either of them (or indeed any others!) start on Saturday.
"No we can?t be becuase we bid £12 million on Moutinho, £6 million on M?bia, and £10M (or £12M was it) on Riera? It?s a shame Sporting quoted £20M, Rennes £10M, and Riera is now a Liverpool player."
So Riera signs for Liverpool. theres £12m we still have from a possible £28M spend. £20M for Moutinho and £10M for M?Bia asking prices. That's £30M. Surely two million can be found from somewhere?
So Riera signs for Liverpool. theres £12m we still have from a possible £28M spend. £20M for Moutinho and £10M for M?Bia asking prices. That's £30M. Surely two million can be found from somewhere?
People seem to be desperate for this M’Bia for whatever Rennes want, but who has actually seen him play? Who had heard of him a couple of months back? I would like a big money signing as much as the rest of you on here, but would prefer them to have a wider known pedigree (like Moutinho), rather than a risky punt on an unknown guy playing in France!
Had any of you heard of M’Bia before he started spouting his love for Everton (and cash) in the press? Why just because we haven’t bought him is he the solution and Castillo not? Some people just love a good moan. Grow up!
Dear Mr Mike Oakes and Mr Blair Johnson,
If your feelings towards our football club are that of embarressment then why dont you leave the Everton sites alone. We can quite happily do without your supposed ?support? because you have become an embarressment to the rest of us. Why dont you just bugger off and ?support? a team that you can be proud of.
COYB
If your feelings towards our football club are that of embarressment then why dont you leave the Everton sites alone. We can quite happily do without your supposed ?support? because you have become an embarressment to the rest of us. Why dont you just bugger off and ?support? a team that you can be proud of.
COYB
If anyones still wondering, the most loanees a Premier League side can have in their First 18 is 5. It might have increased since the introduction of the 7 sub rule though.
What's wrong with half the people on here? I support Everton because of the history the club, the fans ? not what players may or may not be coming. The 11 players on the pitch at any given time are EVERTON, not some superstars that are in the papers every day. Let's just support whatever we have at our great club. COYB
Brian Williams, you get no sympathy from me.
In recent weeks you have ?revealed? from your ?well-connected? sources within the club information that has not come to fruition. When people have questioned you on this ? be it gently or more verbosely ? you essentially get in a huff.
As the maverick Dr Gregory House is fond of saying: ?everybody lies?.
Now who is this chain of (mis-) information is lying, who can say? Is it you?? Your source??? His (or her) source??
Your postings only reveal one thing for me: assuming (BIG assumption?) that you HAVE been told certain things by people within the club, and the fact you chose to reveal this information on the Internet regardless of the possible consequences to your source should it be traced, taken together, quite simply, you are not a man to trust and confide confidential information to.
In recent weeks you have ?revealed? from your ?well-connected? sources within the club information that has not come to fruition. When people have questioned you on this ? be it gently or more verbosely ? you essentially get in a huff.
As the maverick Dr Gregory House is fond of saying: ?everybody lies?.
Now who is this chain of (mis-) information is lying, who can say? Is it you?? Your source??? His (or her) source??
Your postings only reveal one thing for me: assuming (BIG assumption?) that you HAVE been told certain things by people within the club, and the fact you chose to reveal this information on the Internet regardless of the possible consequences to your source should it be traced, taken together, quite simply, you are not a man to trust and confide confidential information to.
Bitter, miserable blues whinging as usual....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...................its getting boring now gents, c’mon lets have a bit of optimism now we’ve signed a couple of players and looks like some more to follow - I’m quite excited about new signings even if they’re not the ones we’ve been constantly ’linked with’ in the press.
Castillo could be exactly what we’re looking for, DM will get the best out of him as he always does with players and the kid Obinna from Inter MIlan is dynamite - with him & the Yak up front we’ll have a cracking frontline.
Cheer up eh, it could be alot worse. :)
Castillo could be exactly what we’re looking for, DM will get the best out of him as he always does with players and the kid Obinna from Inter MIlan is dynamite - with him & the Yak up front we’ll have a cracking frontline.
Cheer up eh, it could be alot worse. :)
I?m glad we?re getting few frees/loans of competent players (experienced internationals in their mid-late 20s would fit the bill e.g. Castillo, Jacobsen). I?ll be ?over the moon? if we can get a Moutinho type signing or two in as well (that lad is the bollocks and would not be wasted money as he will only get even better).
Nb. Whilst the Yak has worked out great for top dollar, the likes of Beattie, Johnson and Krøldrup show that splashing big bucks does not always work....
COYB!
Nb. Whilst the Yak has worked out great for top dollar, the likes of Beattie, Johnson and Krøldrup show that splashing big bucks does not always work....
COYB!
Sign Lars, 5 loan signings..
And PAY what Fernandes’s team want and get him.
I’ll settle for that ;)
And PAY what Fernandes’s team want and get him.
I’ll settle for that ;)
Sky just reported the deal for Obinna... well... mention reports in Italy....
Lets put the record straight: we DO have money to spend. Official statements have verified that DK did not impact on our transfer budget that was already in place. BK said that new big money signings will be made. Do not let the board off the hook by accepting the loan and freebie players and forgetting the promises made.
Like all good bluff merchants, they are using this sudden activity as a demonstration to cover the total lack of forethought and planning. If they make ONE big signing and that must be of the level of MOUTINHO then I will concede and cut the cynicism...
Moutinho is worth £20 mil and we DO have enough to buy him. He could be our Fabregas and transform our team. Stick to your guns and DEMAND him ? the lad has everything, he is young, already a captain and a leader. Another Ball for leadership and another Collins or Young for creativity... he could become a new hero and legend. My God we haven?t had a world class player for donkey?s years... PLEASE DONT LET THEM FOB YOU OFF !!
Disillusioned, disheartned but never embarassed! Get a grip lads. Why should we buy players because of their valuation? It?s no guarantee of success (Shevchenko; Crouch; Beattie; Andy Johnson, to name a few).
We have a new right back who, according to some posts "no-one has heard of". Unless he?s absolutley rank he?s got to be better than the two right backs we used last season. If he isn?t he cost nothing and I shouldn?t imagine his wages are the same as Neville's or Hibbert's.
And now we?ve hopefully signed a defensive midfielder, who is younger than Cars and has international experience. This will also give Rodwell the chance to play in the likes of the Carling Cup and gain his experience where he should be getting it. Give the boys a chance and your backing not criticism before they?ve even played.
As for SWP, decent player that he is, would anyone swop him for our two wide players (Arteta, Pienaar) at the moment? So don?t ever be embarassed and keep the faith!
Exactly, Mark - let’s see what these fellas actually do first. As for SWP, even if he is interested in us our midfield is full of tiny tots already. Chelsea realised early on he’s too small, which is why he’s only been given cameos.
Sorry Tony!!! See it’s even getting to me and I’m an eternal optimist! Sorry mate.
Here Here Anthony Jaras! Although a little uncouth a very valid point. I thought most Evertonians were grounded, well rounded and understood the way football works - especially with our finanical standing.
We are on the verge of getting 2 or 3 International players for nothing, free, nowt....that shows fantastic business for Moyes. Imagine we had paid £8m for Manny when he was on loan first time.......this is a good deal for Moyes and Everton.
We a do not have an "editor" option where we can go in and give ourselves a sugar daddy or increase our funds to £400m - this is not Football Manager!
It is not that long ago we were signing Barrett, Angel, Claus Thompson etc!!
I am backing Moyes 100% - he is commited to this club and is working his nuts off to ensure we have great players without doing a Leeds. Slow steady building is the way.
So shout the fuck up moaning and back the team you are supposed to support!
AND IF YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY!!
We are on the verge of getting 2 or 3 International players for nothing, free, nowt....that shows fantastic business for Moyes. Imagine we had paid £8m for Manny when he was on loan first time.......this is a good deal for Moyes and Everton.
We a do not have an "editor" option where we can go in and give ourselves a sugar daddy or increase our funds to £400m - this is not Football Manager!
It is not that long ago we were signing Barrett, Angel, Claus Thompson etc!!
I am backing Moyes 100% - he is commited to this club and is working his nuts off to ensure we have great players without doing a Leeds. Slow steady building is the way.
So shout the fuck up moaning and back the team you are supposed to support!
AND IF YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY!!
Brian, you don’t need to BUY the BMW, just go and ask if you can borrow it for a year!
I have just read the report in the Echo about this winger Obinna, and am a little confused. To quote, "Obinna only signed for the Nerazurri on Monday but the Italians took the decision to loan him out immediately. If the 21-year-old impresses on Merseyside, Everton can make the deal permanent." Inter signed him on Monday, yet on Thursday loan him out with a view to a permanent move??? That doesn’t ring true. Saying that, not sure why I’m surprised, not many of our dealings make any sense. What a summer...
I have just read the report in the Echo about this winger Obinna, and am a little confused. To quote, "Obinna only signed for the Nerazurri on Monday but the Italians took the decision to loan him out immediately. If the 21-year-old impresses on Merseyside, Everton can make the deal permanent." Inter signed him on Monday, yet on Thursday loan him out with a view to a permanent move??? That doesn’t ring true. Saying that, not sure why I’m surprised, not many of our dealings make any sense. What a summer...
How screwed will we be come Nigerian international games if we get Obinna? We will have Vaughan on his own up top, that's if he ain't injured! haha
If you had a budget to stick to and you needed 5 or 6 players what would you do - spend on 6 at approx £3m each or have alook at the positions needed and use a mix of loans, free’s and big money signings ?
Its obvious that creativity comes at a premium, not defence, so I am hoping Moyes is stocking the larder with defenders of a reasonable standard to spend the real money on a creative midfielder or winger.
The only difference you could point to which goes against this strategy is Obinna - and he would be a great loan acquisition- but is he going to start or be one of 4 for a single striking place?
I still live in hope of the big one - hopefully Moutinho, plus these 4 or 5 loanees - that will do me !
Its obvious that creativity comes at a premium, not defence, so I am hoping Moyes is stocking the larder with defenders of a reasonable standard to spend the real money on a creative midfielder or winger.
The only difference you could point to which goes against this strategy is Obinna - and he would be a great loan acquisition- but is he going to start or be one of 4 for a single striking place?
I still live in hope of the big one - hopefully Moutinho, plus these 4 or 5 loanees - that will do me !
Apparently Mark, its because if we did end up buying him after the loan, Inter will have made a hefty profit for doing nothing other than helping Chievo get him in the first place! They already owned a piece of him, sounds like its just an investment for profit and they couldnt give 2 hoots whether he ever plays for them or not!
Brian,
why not make a down payment and pay for the rest in installments on finance?
How silly of me, that sort of thing never happens....
why not make a down payment and pay for the rest in installments on finance?
How silly of me, that sort of thing never happens....
Well it looks like we?ve definitely signed 2 players and until we actually see them play for at least 3/4 games we should reserve judgement on whether they are A, B, C, or Z list players. The only problem I have with these signings is the lack of quotes from Dave Moyes regarding the players. Normally you see on the various websites Moyes?s view on new signings etc. Unless I?ve missed something, I haven?t read or heard Moyes comment on either of the 2 players involved. Hopefully it's because he?s to busy trying to bring in his original top targets!
Kevin, I’m just hoping that we haven’t heard from Moyes because he’s too busy trying to get some big names in.
I?ve been reading with interest all summer and like most have found the events very disappointing. Where I differ from most of the comments is how fans would rather spend money that the club obviously doesn?t have (through finance) rather than continue to build on previous proven ways of bringing quality players. I do believe Moyes has a pot of money and like every years transfer budget he is spending it in the most effective manner.
I for one welcome the new players that have come in, whether they are loans, frees or big money signings and will keep the faith that Moyes knows what he is doing.
The fan?s that are embarrassed in our club for not breaking the bank should remember what happened to Leeds. I for one can?t be embarrassed by a club that has consistently outperformed it?s bigger spending rivals in the last three or four years and suggest we should hold our heads up and show the rest of the Premier League how it?s done again this year.
I for one welcome the new players that have come in, whether they are loans, frees or big money signings and will keep the faith that Moyes knows what he is doing.
The fan?s that are embarrassed in our club for not breaking the bank should remember what happened to Leeds. I for one can?t be embarrassed by a club that has consistently outperformed it?s bigger spending rivals in the last three or four years and suggest we should hold our heads up and show the rest of the Premier League how it?s done again this year.
I’ve seen a bit of Victor Obinna in the Olympics, he looked very good and was Nigeria’s best player in the games I saw. Similar to Martins, quick, good technique and intelligent. He had a tendency to drop to the left and right wing and run at people, exciting player.
Castillo I know nothing of. From what I’m told by a Serbian Blue on another website he’s a useful player, good technique, tidy passer, good in the air and strong in the tackle. The only positive thing I can say is whenever I’ve seen the Ecuador midfield they’ve always looked very composed and good in possession, I don’t remember Castillo sticking out but hopefully he’s one of the good ones.
We’ll have to wait and see how they fit in. We all know we don’t have money so it’s about making the best of a tricky situation. Hopefully these signing will come off, Moyes has a good record with loan players.
Castillo I know nothing of. From what I’m told by a Serbian Blue on another website he’s a useful player, good technique, tidy passer, good in the air and strong in the tackle. The only positive thing I can say is whenever I’ve seen the Ecuador midfield they’ve always looked very composed and good in possession, I don’t remember Castillo sticking out but hopefully he’s one of the good ones.
We’ll have to wait and see how they fit in. We all know we don’t have money so it’s about making the best of a tricky situation. Hopefully these signing will come off, Moyes has a good record with loan players.
The media seem to confuse Euros and Pounds when quoting prices. For example I think that Sporting quoted Mouthinho ?20m rather than £20m. I’m not sure. The media has got me very confused.
What is it with Evertonians? You cry out for signings, then we make two, an international right back and and international defensive midfielder, two positions we need to strengthen. Who cares that one is on a loan, how is this any different from the past 5 seasons. Every year we have a couple of players on loan, first Arteta, then Howard, then Manny, then Pienaar and Manny last season. Arteta worked out pretty well, Howard worked out well, and so did Pienaar.
So what exactly is the problem with us signing Castillo on loan with a view to a permanent deal if he’s good enough. It’s a brilliant system that can save a lot of money if a player does prove not to be good enough. Don’t you all wish we had taken Kroldrup on loan instead of wasting 5 Million on him? And we might get this terrific kid Obinna in as well.
One more thing to add about Castillo though. This guy is a very solid player. South American players are becoming more and more valuable to European clubs. Some very good players are being developed there and Castillo is one of them. Living in the U.S. I have watched him play for his country many times in the Copa America, World Cup qualifiers and World Cup matches, as well as friendlies. He is a very good player and good passer of the ball. Give the boy a chance, nobody knew of Palacios or Valencia from Wigan but those two have proven to be very good finds. Just because you guys haven’t heard of the guy doesn’t mean he is not good. That is not how it works folks, sorry.
So what exactly is the problem with us signing Castillo on loan with a view to a permanent deal if he’s good enough. It’s a brilliant system that can save a lot of money if a player does prove not to be good enough. Don’t you all wish we had taken Kroldrup on loan instead of wasting 5 Million on him? And we might get this terrific kid Obinna in as well.
One more thing to add about Castillo though. This guy is a very solid player. South American players are becoming more and more valuable to European clubs. Some very good players are being developed there and Castillo is one of them. Living in the U.S. I have watched him play for his country many times in the Copa America, World Cup qualifiers and World Cup matches, as well as friendlies. He is a very good player and good passer of the ball. Give the boy a chance, nobody knew of Palacios or Valencia from Wigan but those two have proven to be very good finds. Just because you guys haven’t heard of the guy doesn’t mean he is not good. That is not how it works folks, sorry.
Just to clarify guys, they have now changed the ruling to allow only 2 loan signings. This is why Portsmouth bought Jerome Thomas last week after taking him on loan initially to allow them to sign Armand Traore from Arsenal. They also have Ben Sahar on loan.
So if we have signed these 2 guys on loan, anymore are going to have to be paid for. Hopefully with the £20million we supposedly have according to source haha
So if we have signed these 2 guys on loan, anymore are going to have to be paid for. Hopefully with the £20million we supposedly have according to source haha
Henrik Larsson is considering offers from 3 Prem sides, could we be one of them maybe?
Let?s stop questioning the ability of these (potential) new signings. If Moyes wants them, that?s good enough for me, they must have something about them.
In Moyes We Trust
In Moyes We Trust
It finally looks like we are moving in the right direction in terms of strenghtening our threadbare squad. However, to me this raises even more worrying questions.
Firstly, where is all this money we were promised at the start of the summer? Nobody knows the exact amount that was supposed to be made available for player signings; however, the general consensus at the time was that it was somewhere in the region of £10 to £20 million. Add the AJ money which we were promised and you have a substantial kitty. So where is it?
if we were serious about signing SWP and had a kitty in the region of £20-30 million, why did we offer a loan deal? Another example is Moutinho. Sporting had a valuation. We made an offer which you would have thought was aimed at kicking off negotiations. Then nothing. I will probably be accused of being negative and pessimistic but after the summer we have had who can blame me?
This leads me to my other concern. Castillo looks to be in on loan; if SWP was to agree, it would be a loan, Obinna is a reported loan. Fair enough we need bodies and desperate times call for desperate measures. But if you look at the bigger picture, taking in a host of loan players will restrict progress. Next summer, rather than adding to the squad we will either be replacing players who have returned to thier club following their loan or spending our transfer kitty on players who have been there on loan for the previous season.
I'm not advocating that at this stage in the summer we should not be taking players on loan, as the consequences of not adding to the squad woud be disastrous. By not adding loan players now we would sturggle in Europe and the league. I accept this and accpet that we simply need players in, whatever the deal. However, there is no escaping the fact that adding lots of loan players is problematic in the long term.
For a team supposedly intent on breaking into the top four should we be settling for the lesser of two evils in anything?
SWP has just signed for Man City... 4-Year Deal
Peter, teams are only allowed 2 domestic loans, so far we dont have any as Castillo is from a Serbian side and Obinna (if he arrives) is from Italy! Portsmouths are both from England, but they could still loan from abroad.
I was always under the impression that Red Shite fans were the biggest muppets in the world. After reading some comments on here (players being written off before they play, get Moyes out bla bla bla) I?m starting to get really annoyed.
We are Everton, we support the boys through thick and thin, why the negativity!? Yes we are short of numbers and a bit of quality but I believe Moyes is doing what he can to improve our situation, and has done in the last couple of days. Besides, is splashing out £20 million on one player the answer? I?m not convinced.
Get Moyes out IS RIDICULOUS! He is our most important asset in my opinion.
Transfer policy has served him well (up until this summer maybe?) but how much of this is dictated by the board???
I think losing out on SWP was a mistake, especially at £9m but who knows what they’re paying him. If some of the existing squad have a clause in their contract to make them the highest paid at the club then the knock on effects could have been awful I suppose...
Fingers crossed for at least one big name before the window closes.
IMWT
COYB
Transfer policy has served him well (up until this summer maybe?) but how much of this is dictated by the board???
I think losing out on SWP was a mistake, especially at £9m but who knows what they’re paying him. If some of the existing squad have a clause in their contract to make them the highest paid at the club then the knock on effects could have been awful I suppose...
Fingers crossed for at least one big name before the window closes.
IMWT
COYB
OH well....there goes another ?big name player? we were associated with. Bye Bye SWP!!!!!!!!
Reading letters on here about Castillo being so good, can somebody please tell me why Blackburn had him on a weeks trial and FUCKED him off after 2 DAYS ???
I don?t see how some people on here are happy about signing an Ecuadorian international and a danish international. People have short memories:
Niclas Alexandersson - shite
Linderoth - shite
Xavier-shite
Simon Davies -shite
all of the above have been full interntionals whilst playing for Everton and were very average players. The fact is because of the predicament this board have us in we cannot compete with half of the Premier League when it comes 2 signing players. Every decent player we have gone in for this summer has chosen someone other than us. So yes, my opinion is that Jacobsen and Castillo are last-minute panic, bargain-basement buys and it is embarrassing seeing it. I really can?t see us keeping hold of Moyes much longer and our top players if any of them have any ambition at all then they won?t want to be associated with this club while it is run by that fucking idiot Kenwright.
Niclas Alexandersson - shite
Linderoth - shite
Xavier-shite
Simon Davies -shite
all of the above have been full interntionals whilst playing for Everton and were very average players. The fact is because of the predicament this board have us in we cannot compete with half of the Premier League when it comes 2 signing players. Every decent player we have gone in for this summer has chosen someone other than us. So yes, my opinion is that Jacobsen and Castillo are last-minute panic, bargain-basement buys and it is embarrassing seeing it. I really can?t see us keeping hold of Moyes much longer and our top players if any of them have any ambition at all then they won?t want to be associated with this club while it is run by that fucking idiot Kenwright.
Anthony Hughes - I can tell what the press said about Castilla and Blackburn. It was reported he was offered a contract but they could not agree personal terms.
So SWP is back to City on a reported £80k a week...swapping one crooks pay cheque for another.
Love Everton, hate football. The game is on its arse....
Love Everton, hate football. The game is on its arse....
If by signing 3 players (assuming this Obinna stuff is true) for nothing apart from wages, with the possible arrival of Zigic, Larsson (according to reports) on loans, that could be 4 or 5 players without outley, considering we need 6-7 and we all know we cant afford to spend on that much money on too many players why are people moaning?
If on monday that is all of our business done then we can start to complain but now that players are coming in things are looking brighter.
Castillo - I’ve never heard of him, but let’s be realistic the job we need him to do is what Carsley done, sit there, close opposition down and break up play then give the ball to someone else. I’m sure he can do it and he makes our midield bigger and takes out pip. You dont need a 10million pound man to that job, Lee Carsley proved that.
Jacobsen - If pip is ever injured we now have back up as the other back up is always injured. Gives options and has [limited] euro and international experience. Rather him than Yobo or Jags at RB.
Obinna, offer support to Yak, offers alternatie to Pienaar. Imagine will settle well seen as he will already know 3 of our players, and he is highly rated. Will also allow chance of putting Arteta in the middle.
If on monday that is all of our business done then we can start to complain but now that players are coming in things are looking brighter.
Castillo - I’ve never heard of him, but let’s be realistic the job we need him to do is what Carsley done, sit there, close opposition down and break up play then give the ball to someone else. I’m sure he can do it and he makes our midield bigger and takes out pip. You dont need a 10million pound man to that job, Lee Carsley proved that.
Jacobsen - If pip is ever injured we now have back up as the other back up is always injured. Gives options and has [limited] euro and international experience. Rather him than Yobo or Jags at RB.
Obinna, offer support to Yak, offers alternatie to Pienaar. Imagine will settle well seen as he will already know 3 of our players, and he is highly rated. Will also allow chance of putting Arteta in the middle.
Hahahahahaha, why does this club attempt at making stupid bids and paying silly wages for top players. These people at the club are the biggest jokers and everton are the joke of 2008. Bottom six here we come!
Seemingly, there have been four, possibly five medicals booked to take place between now and Monday....all bar one dependant upon negotiations......not form a source but from someone on another site who’s stuff I’ve seen previously and has been spot on.
Some info on Castillo, found it on another site:
"Segundo Alejandro Castillo should prove to be a useful addition to David Moyes squad and is signed as the long awaited replacement for Lee Carsley. Castillo is much larger physical presence compared to Carsley and is more imposing. He is not the quickest, but has good positional sense to compensate. His passing is not expansive and he is not known for taking too many touches on the ball, he merely helps it along and keeps it moving about the midfield. As Liam has stated, his goal scoring record is impressive. That is due to his ariel abilities, which come into great effect from set-pieces. He is also renowned for having a powerful shot. £6,000,000 is a reasonable price for Castillo. He has good international experience (with Ecuador) and has proven himself in European football during his time at Red Star Belgrade.
He was set to sign for Juventus Football Club last summer, but failed a medical. Now Castillo has his opportunity in one of Europe’s big league (arguably the biggest), with an ambitous side, that should feature regularly in European competition.
This is Moyes’ first significant signing of the summer and I do believe that Castillo will prove worth waiting for. He made a few games to adjust to a quicker tempo, but he should eventually settle as a better alternative to Carsley. Moyes orginally wanted Tiago Mendes, but Castillo is the safer bet and more suited to English football."
Sounds useful, hopefully he comes good.
"Segundo Alejandro Castillo should prove to be a useful addition to David Moyes squad and is signed as the long awaited replacement for Lee Carsley. Castillo is much larger physical presence compared to Carsley and is more imposing. He is not the quickest, but has good positional sense to compensate. His passing is not expansive and he is not known for taking too many touches on the ball, he merely helps it along and keeps it moving about the midfield. As Liam has stated, his goal scoring record is impressive. That is due to his ariel abilities, which come into great effect from set-pieces. He is also renowned for having a powerful shot. £6,000,000 is a reasonable price for Castillo. He has good international experience (with Ecuador) and has proven himself in European football during his time at Red Star Belgrade.
He was set to sign for Juventus Football Club last summer, but failed a medical. Now Castillo has his opportunity in one of Europe’s big league (arguably the biggest), with an ambitous side, that should feature regularly in European competition.
This is Moyes’ first significant signing of the summer and I do believe that Castillo will prove worth waiting for. He made a few games to adjust to a quicker tempo, but he should eventually settle as a better alternative to Carsley. Moyes orginally wanted Tiago Mendes, but Castillo is the safer bet and more suited to English football."
Sounds useful, hopefully he comes good.
To David Ellis, press I read said Paul Ince took a look at him and was unimpressed.
Yeeeeeeees !!!!
The news we’ve all been waiting for.
News Conference with Kenwright
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=be54da4c529934cd8ee9c3ef3a77dd9b
The news we’ve all been waiting for.
News Conference with Kenwright
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=be54da4c529934cd8ee9c3ef3a77dd9b
That BK vid is so funny Brian. Nice one mate...
*L* I can’t claim it I’m afraid.....but you’re right it puts a "happier" slant on things.
All the above talk about the new freeby and loans is covering the flannel the board have been giving us for weeks..Why dont you all concentrate more on what promises we were made..the transfer budget is in place and DK had no affect on it...there is money available and watch this space...what about the offers made for Moutinho and M’Bia..make the board spend that money and keep their promise..we are becoming a conveyor belt for mediocre players ..in for a season and then released..after a while we forget who has played for us, there are so many. I think the club should be given an ultimatum that if they dont buy a Moutinho or his like then we should boycott one home game..we employ the board and pay their salaries, we have the power to shake the tight bastards up.
Henrik Larsson?? Does anyone think this is a good move? He?s 37 next month. Surely we can do better than this guys.
There’s a simple answer to this.
External investment. Which is NEVER going to happen whilst we stay at Goodison as it offers no prospects for investors.
Yet it seems that the ’no to Kirkby’ mob want to ’redevelop Goodison’
It isn’t possible, short of demolishing half of Walton and moving the main roads which surround it.
External investment. Which is NEVER going to happen whilst we stay at Goodison as it offers no prospects for investors.
Yet it seems that the ’no to Kirkby’ mob want to ’redevelop Goodison’
It isn’t possible, short of demolishing half of Walton and moving the main roads which surround it.
Mike Homfray
you’re not only an expert in investment but also in construction so please explain to all the ?no to Kirkby? mob what prospects there are for investors at Kirkby once Bullshit Billy and his comrades have had their share.
Also can you please expand on how you would develop Goodison by demolishing half of Walton and moving all the main roads.
Just before you make a fool of yourself let me tell you that GP,as it stands now, has a bigger footprint than St James park(capacity 57000) and if expanded to the car park and "over" Bullens road has a bigger footprint than the Emirates (60000+).
you’re not only an expert in investment but also in construction so please explain to all the ?no to Kirkby? mob what prospects there are for investors at Kirkby once Bullshit Billy and his comrades have had their share.
Also can you please expand on how you would develop Goodison by demolishing half of Walton and moving all the main roads.
Just before you make a fool of yourself let me tell you that GP,as it stands now, has a bigger footprint than St James park(capacity 57000) and if expanded to the car park and "over" Bullens road has a bigger footprint than the Emirates (60000+).
Daniel McCraig
What about;
Stephen Pienaar - Good
Joseph Yobo - Class
Mikel Arteta - Great
Tim Cahill - Class
Joleon Lescott - Great
ALL PLAYERS SIGNED WITH NO PREMIERSHIP PEDIGREE, NOT BAD EH, OR DO YOU ONLY FOCUS ON THE NEGATIVE?
What about;
Stephen Pienaar - Good
Joseph Yobo - Class
Mikel Arteta - Great
Tim Cahill - Class
Joleon Lescott - Great
ALL PLAYERS SIGNED WITH NO PREMIERSHIP PEDIGREE, NOT BAD EH, OR DO YOU ONLY FOCUS ON THE NEGATIVE?
Couldn’t give a flying fuck if all the players we get this summer are loan signings provided they are the right quality and in the right positions. What I object to, however, is the the assumption that I can be fobbed off with excuses about technicalities and misrepresentation when the real problem has been financial all along. If we had been told the truth at the beginning how brilliant these latest additions would appear. I can’t believe that there’s still people out there who think we have money to spend on transfers.
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