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As the last thread about the Uefa Cup ended up being about SWP, I thought I'd start a new one. Bert Kassies has already updated his website to take account of tonight's results and I've tried to work out the five unseeded teams who will be in our 'group'. By my reckoning we will be drawn against one of the following teams:-
- Vitoria Guimaraes (Portugal)
- Standard Liege (Belgium)
- Brann Bergen (we all know where that is)
- AC Bellinzona (Switzerland)
- Omonia Nicosia (Cyprus)
Phil Guyers, Posted 28/08/2008 at 22:45:26
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Ross: the drawing commences at Noon UK time. Live commentary on the BBC Sports website, possibly only for UK listeners.
(I don’t know about TV coverage)
(I don’t know about TV coverage)
How about that SWP? Huh? Crazy kid
It’s on Eurosport, and presumably live video is on their website too.
From my workout, those are the five unseeded teams in our group.
Dinamo Zagreb (Cro), Standard Liège (Bel), NEC Nijmegen (Ned), AC Bellinzona (Sui), Omonia Nicosia (Cyp)
Anyway, there should be an official group list a few hours before the draw on uefa site.(i.e. it may appears anytime..)
Dinamo Zagreb (Cro), Standard Liège (Bel), NEC Nijmegen (Ned), AC Bellinzona (Sui), Omonia Nicosia (Cyp)
Anyway, there should be an official group list a few hours before the draw on uefa site.(i.e. it may appears anytime..)
Official list Grorp 4 unseeded
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/news/kind=1/newsid=743492.html
SSC Napoli (ITA), R. Standard de Liege (BEL), NEC Nijmegen (NED), AC Bellinzona (SUI), FC Honka Espoo (FIN)
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/news/kind=1/newsid=743492.html
SSC Napoli (ITA), R. Standard de Liege (BEL), NEC Nijmegen (NED), AC Bellinzona (SUI), FC Honka Espoo (FIN)
I fancy FC Honka Espoo from them
Whats the bet that we’ll draw Liege? Just our luck that. Wouldn’t fancy our chances much against them.
SWP to Man City?
Good luck to him, what a shambles of an outfit they are. Probably not as much as a shambles as our outfit though.
You could see his dilemma, do I go to this disorganised team or that disorganised team. Ah stuff it, I’ll go wherever offers the best cash...
Good luck to him, what a shambles of an outfit they are. Probably not as much as a shambles as our outfit though.
You could see his dilemma, do I go to this disorganised team or that disorganised team. Ah stuff it, I’ll go wherever offers the best cash...
I fancy Espoo, its pretty much Helsinki so its easy to get to....and Helsinki is a great little city....not always that cheap flights though but my missus is originally from just down the road...
Obviously from a football point of view it would be best to get Honka but it looks a difficult trip.
I think I’d prefer NEC Nijmegen as I don’t think Dutch football is too hot these days (look at FC Twente!).
How good are Napoli these days? They finished 8th in the league last season (lost more games than they won) and only got in through the Intertoto.
I think I’d prefer NEC Nijmegen as I don’t think Dutch football is too hot these days (look at FC Twente!).
How good are Napoli these days? They finished 8th in the league last season (lost more games than they won) and only got in through the Intertoto.
The OS have just reported we?ve signed Saha from Man U!
Subject to a medical... hmmm?
SAHA SIGNS..... bloody hell. A mate for Andy van der Table on the treatment bench
Really don’t see the point in signing Saha, makes Big Dunc look like a regular.
Apart from a fairly decent season at Fulham before they came to the Prem he’s hardly set the world alight
Where’s all these world class signings we were promised Kenwright you shit’ead?!
Apart from a fairly decent season at Fulham before they came to the Prem he’s hardly set the world alight
Where’s all these world class signings we were promised Kenwright you shit’ead?!
Are we the manure’s bitch or something?
At least we have heard of him; injury-free, he will be good signing so let's support him guys. Best news all week.
Just got a text off my Fulham mate: ’Saha. And you were laughing at us signing Johnson! Hahahahaha’
Says it all....
Says it all....
Great signing if (and its a big if) he can stay fit!
Gary
’Best news all week’
You’re either on crack or don’t get out much?
’Best news all week’
You’re either on crack or don’t get out much?
Not a usual Moyes type signing, except that it’s from Man U of course, but he has got international class. The big question is can he stay fit? If so, he’ll do well for us. Yes, let’s get behind him.
We should be renamed to Man Utd Rejects F.C
Brian Robson will be signing next.
Brian Robson will be signing next.
Man Utd rejects? Rooney’s turn pretty soon.
Could it get any worse?
Just need Robson as our manager now, and that will complete a miserable year.
Scuse me lads while I go and self harm.
Where's me razor ?
Just need Robson as our manager now, and that will complete a miserable year.
Scuse me lads while I go and self harm.
Where's me razor ?
Isn’t Saha injured? That’s why Frazer Campbell has been playing? It’s getting exciting now, at this stage Moyes knows were in the shitter, so he’s making as many panic buys as he can before monday lol. Saha is a good player and will give us an experienced stiker upfront as they Yak is our only other senior striker, hopefully we got him for cheap.
The official site gives the possible opponents as:
Napoli
Standard Liege
NEC Nijmegen of the Netherlands
Swiss side AC Bellinzona
Finland’s FC Honka Espoo
Please god the last one.
Napoli
Standard Liege
NEC Nijmegen of the Netherlands
Swiss side AC Bellinzona
Finland’s FC Honka Espoo
Please god the last one.
Honka Espoo? That’s not a football team - that’s a line of letters from Countdown, surely?
6-letter word (verb) - Phones - beat that!
They are pretty small, ground only holds 6000 I think.... Bit too far from Helsinki....
Saha? Good signing providing he can stay fit for at least 20+ games a season.
Dave.
The best i can come up with is a 5 letter.
Spank.
The best i can come up with is a 5 letter.
Spank.
Paul Lynch, any chance of letting us know where you got your info about Moutinho from?
Apparently Moutinho is on his way to EFC now, for £16 million
I truly hope that Everton will have Honka (actually from the city of Espoo, not Helsinki) as their opponents. As a lifelong Finnish Everton (since 1985) supporter I would truly appreciate the chance to watch Everton live...
OUCH!! Tough draw... we’ll need to be on top of our game.
Standard Liege in UEFA Cup.
Thats a very tough game!!
Bollocks indeed! But after they undeservedly went out against the RS, it think we all knew for certain that we would draw them. So of course we did.
Nice one.
This will show just how shite the shite are.
This will show just how shite the shite are.
To cheer people up, Liege went out at this stage last year - to eventual winner Zenit.
Nah, we’ll still lose.....
Nah, we’ll still lose.....
I loved the way Liege played, if only they didn?t have those Barn Door enthusiasts up front. We?ll be able to handle them no problem.
My God that is a tough tie... against a great team
They looked good against the shite but didn't have much goal threat, unlike us with the Yak and Saha! COYB!!
The seedings must be designed by a mathematical genius. Man City scrape in from nowhere with no recent history of European competition - and get AC Omonia of Cyprus. And we get Standard Liege. How the fuck does that work?
Un-frickin-believable....
We just have to hope that the Toffees remember the lessons of last year?s campaign and are in some decent form when it comes to this tie.
On the other hand, Liege were unable to score against Liverpool over two legs and didn?t exactly threaten in either leg, so all is not lost. We just need to keep our heads and play our own (passing) game.
We just have to hope that the Toffees remember the lessons of last year?s campaign and are in some decent form when it comes to this tie.
On the other hand, Liege were unable to score against Liverpool over two legs and didn?t exactly threaten in either leg, so all is not lost. We just need to keep our heads and play our own (passing) game.
Shaun, thats what they will be thinking
COYB
COYB
What a draw!!! Maybe they will be exhausted and gutted after going so close with the RS.
COYB!!
COYB!!
** points to his last post **
What did I say?
What did I say?
Standard Liege didn’t threaten?
Did you not see the two legs? They should have scored 5 or 6 against liverpool.
The only reason they didnt was several great saves from Reina, including a penalty save.
There hope for optimism, but lets rule out the short sightedness!
Did you not see the two legs? They should have scored 5 or 6 against liverpool.
The only reason they didnt was several great saves from Reina, including a penalty save.
There hope for optimism, but lets rule out the short sightedness!
How?? How the fuck were they not seeded and City were?? How come the team who finished fifth in the prem get the toughest draw!!!!
Last night we said sure as shit we?ll get Liege, what a surprise, ffs!!
Last night we said sure as shit we?ll get Liege, what a surprise, ffs!!
Saha? Come on Moyes, really...Saha? Are you sure, honest?
We must not be able to scape ten bob together! Good old blue Bill.
At this rate I wont be "watching this space" I’ll be licking a padded wall while trussed up in a straight-jacket!
We must not be able to scape ten bob together! Good old blue Bill.
At this rate I wont be "watching this space" I’ll be licking a padded wall while trussed up in a straight-jacket!
Forget the RS if we are going to be scared by Standard Liege then we have no business in Europe.
Actually, can anyone explain how this has happened? Man City, Tottenham, Portsmouth and Villa have all got part-time window cleaners - and we get one of Europe’s strongest teams that should be in the Champions League if the RS weren’t so lucky. How?
Anyone would think we got AC Milan to hear some of you lot! Yeah Liege played alright against Liverpool (who were shite both games) but couldnt score (including a pen!!!) We should beat them, I hope we are away first.
I thought that Standard Liege looked really good against the other lot, however, they did not look as good as the Mentalists and we came through that test. If we have ambitions of winning this competition then we should not hold any fear for our opponents.
I agree Neil, why were they not seeded?
@Jeremy Benson
Yes I did watch both legs and I stand by my judgement. Liege played out of their skins without seriously threatening Liverpool’s goal. The plaudits they have received have been due to their performance against the stature of their opponents as opposed to any fabulous play on their behalf. Over two legs, playing against a team expecting to coast to victory, they failed to score a single goal.
Would you have been as impressed if they had performed similarly (but gone out) against Metallist Kharkiv? I think not.
In some ways, it wasn’t too disimilar to our tie with Fiorentina last year. We were the underdogs, should have won, but came up short.
If anything, their performance against Liverpool should ensure that we don’t underestimate them like we did with Kharkiv last year.
Yes I did watch both legs and I stand by my judgement. Liege played out of their skins without seriously threatening Liverpool’s goal. The plaudits they have received have been due to their performance against the stature of their opponents as opposed to any fabulous play on their behalf. Over two legs, playing against a team expecting to coast to victory, they failed to score a single goal.
Would you have been as impressed if they had performed similarly (but gone out) against Metallist Kharkiv? I think not.
In some ways, it wasn’t too disimilar to our tie with Fiorentina last year. We were the underdogs, should have won, but came up short.
If anything, their performance against Liverpool should ensure that we don’t underestimate them like we did with Kharkiv last year.
Neil, it happened because we are Everton, thats all, its always the case.
Anyhow, if you had been told it would be Liege would you be bothered? we should be able to take them and they probably have a reasonable sized ground and will be easy to get to - so should be decent support and we can get behind the lads.
Put £20 on Saha to get the winner - and someone buy Fellaini!
Anyhow, if you had been told it would be Liege would you be bothered? we should be able to take them and they probably have a reasonable sized ground and will be easy to get to - so should be decent support and we can get behind the lads.
Put £20 on Saha to get the winner - and someone buy Fellaini!
Anyone know if we’re home or away 1st??
This is a tough, tough draw. One thing we can boast, though, is the ability to score goals. And now that we might have the option of Saha as well as Yak, Vaughan and Victor then I fancy us to get through. But we need a solid midfield to be sure. So pull your fecking finger out Moyes and sort it once and for all.
A joke of a draw, should have been seeded.... However as Everton we fly in the face of adversity "Constantly" it seems!
Fingers crossed by the time the game comes around we?ve settled the new boys in and ive got no doubt we?ll look a million times better than the RS.
I'm hoping that we can give them a bit of a stuffing at GP & the long suffering blues fans can head over to Belgium on a beer run without having to worry too much!!
Fingers crossed by the time the game comes around we?ve settled the new boys in and ive got no doubt we?ll look a million times better than the RS.
I'm hoping that we can give them a bit of a stuffing at GP & the long suffering blues fans can head over to Belgium on a beer run without having to worry too much!!
I think Everton can beat Liege too. But I KNOW we can beat AC Omonia (or whoever)!! And I’d rather be pretty certain of getting into the group stages.
Anyone know the date for the away leg?
Calm down FFS, just because the red shower of shite made a meal of getting past Liege does not mean we?ll struggle!
The Belgian league is not great and with a balanced side (e.g. midfield full of midfielders in midfield etc!) we can comfortably win through.
With a rocking Goodison in the first leg, with a hungry Yak being fed nicely, we could put it to bed in 1st leg.
With new players bedded in (and Cahill back too) by then I have absolute confidence. COYB!
The Belgian league is not great and with a balanced side (e.g. midfield full of midfielders in midfield etc!) we can comfortably win through.
With a rocking Goodison in the first leg, with a hungry Yak being fed nicely, we could put it to bed in 1st leg.
With new players bedded in (and Cahill back too) by then I have absolute confidence. COYB!
I agree with some of the comments regarding the rest of English clubs getting piss easy draws while we get the Belgian equivalent of a team like like West Ham or Pompey. It is a bit shit and I blame Moyes ;-)
Andy, The dates of the legs are 18 September and 2 October...... just need to know which is which mate.
Lets not make Liege out to be world beaters. The reason they looked a decent team the other night was mainly down to the fact that Liverpool were terrible. I can?t see us playing as badly as they did. If we want to make an impression in Europe, what better way than to beat Liege. I?m sure if we progress we will meet teams far superior than the Belgian champions. Let's not have another Villarreal where we talked ourselves out of the competition before the game had been played.
Liège was better then the RS over two games and very unlucky not to go through. A very, very tough draw.
I have lived in Maastricht for some years, that’s about 15 miles from Liège. I visited some of their games back then. Their ground can hold about 30000 people and will be packed. They have very passionate support, be aware of hooliganism. Liège isn’t one of the finer cities of Belgium, but then again some people would say that about Liverpool as well.
I will be looking to get as many tickets as possible but I think Liège only sells tickets to registered fans these days, so I fear I won’t get many. Will keep you informed if I can get my hands on a batch of tickets, will sell them to blues for face value and two pints ;)
Oh, by the way: there are several pubs INSIDE the ground.
I have lived in Maastricht for some years, that’s about 15 miles from Liège. I visited some of their games back then. Their ground can hold about 30000 people and will be packed. They have very passionate support, be aware of hooliganism. Liège isn’t one of the finer cities of Belgium, but then again some people would say that about Liverpool as well.
I will be looking to get as many tickets as possible but I think Liège only sells tickets to registered fans these days, so I fear I won’t get many. Will keep you informed if I can get my hands on a batch of tickets, will sell them to blues for face value and two pints ;)
Oh, by the way: there are several pubs INSIDE the ground.
Panic over, we’re at home 1st!
We’re home first, Everton were first out of the hat from Pot 4
Michael Hunt: why don’t you calm down because you’re the only one getting upset here. And Liege are a great club by Belgian standards. This isn’t a walk in the park at all. This is the type of club that you might expect to see in the quarter finals. So button it.
I hear what you’re all saying....we’d be laughing facing Omonia (or whoever).
At this stage last year, Blackburn thought that Larissa was a good looking bird ready for a good going over...they ended getting mugged big time.
And who had heard about that team that City played against yesterday?
It just goes to show, you need to beat the team in front of you (and let the RS do the talking about winning the league/CL).
At this stage last year, Blackburn thought that Larissa was a good looking bird ready for a good going over...they ended getting mugged big time.
And who had heard about that team that City played against yesterday?
It just goes to show, you need to beat the team in front of you (and let the RS do the talking about winning the league/CL).
Darren, are you 100% sure mate as I'm taking your word for it to get flights booked. Cheers Mate
Probably better if we go out first up. Last year’s activities in Europe has hardly made a difference to our playing staff this year has it. Last thing we need is a prolonged run in Europe that will put pressure on a threadbare squad.
Tough draw.
But one we can get through. Personally think we have a better defence than the RS.
Think we have learnt how to play in euro after th CL disaster and I?m not to bothered. As long as we take a lead to there place I think we will go through quite comfortably.
But one we can get through. Personally think we have a better defence than the RS.
Think we have learnt how to play in euro after th CL disaster and I?m not to bothered. As long as we take a lead to there place I think we will go through quite comfortably.
Easy travel for us southern Evertonians: £74 return by Eurostar. Just need to figure out how we get tickets... 5 of us going from Bournemouth in about the same time it takes to get to Goodison. Happy Days! COYB
Would Liverpool have been unseeded in the draw also if Liege had beat them?
@ Andy Fredson, sorry for late reply been away from me pc. Yeah defo them dates, confirmed on the Everton official site now as well.
@ Andy Fredson, sorry for late reply been away from me pc. Yeah defo them dates, confirmed on the Everton official site now as well.
Seeding in Europe is based on performance in UEFA competitions over a number of years, so Standard Liege, despite being current Belgian champions were always going to be unseeded, as it’s been Anderlecht & Club Brugge who have dominated for years over there and played consistently in Europe.
Most Belgian teams are on a par with the FL championship, but Liege are probably their best team for some time and ran away with title last season.
Whilst some of us might start fretting about this game, they will have to play as well as they did against Liverpool and we have to underperform, for us to be in real danger.
There are far bigger clubs in this competition to worry about in due course - AC Milan anybody?
Most Belgian teams are on a par with the FL championship, but Liege are probably their best team for some time and ran away with title last season.
Whilst some of us might start fretting about this game, they will have to play as well as they did against Liverpool and we have to underperform, for us to be in real danger.
There are far bigger clubs in this competition to worry about in due course - AC Milan anybody?
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