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Now is the time for ALL Evertonians to get behind a groundshare with Liverpool.
While the dark side may have looked down their noses at the notion before, now it appears that they may no longer have that luxury. If we kick up enough dust and the politicians back it ? properly ? and the local funding is waved under their noses.... LFC's hard-nosed American owners may take the plunge.
Everton would benefit hugely from a centrally located super-stadium... we should seize the moment!
Nick West, Posted 29/08/2008 at 15:10:29
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Michael Kenrick
Wooaa! Where did that come back from? Just when you thought it was safe to talk about football! Oh deary me... What is it about that "No!" word you're not getting?
Nick, the LFC statement provoked the same reaction in me. The world’s finances are changing, and what an opportunity to be part (50%) of something spectacular, rather than 100% of something average at best. This is a sore subject for many people on both sides, but we absolutely have to look to the future.
Good post, brave post!
Good post, brave post!
No, No and Fuckin NO!!!!!!!!
No thanks.
I want us to be better than Liverpool in every department and that includes having a better stadium and I want Liverpool to have a rubbish stadium. How can that happen if we share?
I want us to be better than Liverpool in every department and that includes having a better stadium and I want Liverpool to have a rubbish stadium. How can that happen if we share?
I for one think this idea should be explored further. I feel that as a club we are already in severe danger of losing our hertiage and name. No-one in Europe sees us as a big club anymore, and that is backed up by SWP choosing Man City, Milner choosing Aston Villa, Reira choosing Liverpool, Tiago choosing Athletico and over us.
Let's face facts, we cannot afford a world-class stadium, with or without Tesco's help. What makes us, and Liverpool for that matter, special and unique is our local family rivalry, the closest rivals in Britain seperated only by Stanley Park. Friends and family going the pub together before a game, sworn enemies for 90 minutes, before discussing the fallout together in the pub, at home and work the next day. In my opinion there's no strong rivalry than that with your brother, you love them but always want bragging rights, that's what makes it special.
Sharing a stadium works in Milan, where you have two major European forces sharing the same ground, but thier rivalry is more hatred and violent than our disregard for our little brother club. I think if done right it could work, a 60,000 plus world-class stadium that the City of Liverpool could be proud of, will help us financially and also keep what's unique about us as a club and City.
In reply to Derek: that?s all well and good, but how to propose this turnaround should happen? We?re going to have a far worse stadium than they will, unless we share (we both have the same). In fact, as a way of scuppering them pulling further away from us, sharing a stadium isn?t a bad idea.
Personally, a shared stadium isn?t my number 1 option, but nor is it the very last option I?d consider. For me, it comes swiftly on the heels of redeveloping Goodison - and I mean redeveloping into a 60,000 seat stadium, not a lick of paint.
On the other hand, is this all a case of stadium-envy similiar to penis-envy?
Personally, a shared stadium isn?t my number 1 option, but nor is it the very last option I?d consider. For me, it comes swiftly on the heels of redeveloping Goodison - and I mean redeveloping into a 60,000 seat stadium, not a lick of paint.
On the other hand, is this all a case of stadium-envy similiar to penis-envy?
Derek, the answer to your rhetorical question: because when we play there it?ll be full of Evertonians and when they play there it?ll be full of cunts.
Let the fuckers go bust
I agree. And it?s not just the fact that both clubs have to stretch themselves to deliver two stadia. Plus with the two clubs involved a larger stadium could be delivered. This would offer a viable alternative to Old Trafford in the North West and take some money from Uniteds coffers (why should our feeder club get all the cash?).
And it?s in the city. And it?s not in Kirkby. And we wouldn?t have to pay for all of it. And it wouldn?t be at the end of a Tesco carpark. Best of all, the Kop wouldn?t be theirs. It?s just another stand. Deal of the Century!
And it?s in the city. And it?s not in Kirkby. And we wouldn?t have to pay for all of it. And it wouldn?t be at the end of a Tesco carpark. Best of all, the Kop wouldn?t be theirs. It?s just another stand. Deal of the Century!
A big yes from me!
Brave move but the stadium could easily be home for both teams!
Better that than surrender the city to the pile of shite!
Brave move but the stadium could easily be home for both teams!
Better that than surrender the city to the pile of shite!
Dave Torely - hit the nail on the head - they?re struggling to get the funds to get their?s started. Redevelop the old lady or revisit the Speke or Walton options. We don?t need and shouldn?t share with those fuckers. Let?s do our own thing and avoid their impending financial calamity - then who?ll be the ?small? club eh?
Its a better option than Kirkby but we could only afford to be tenants of the RS..
I’m torn! Would love them to go tits up, would love their stadium plans to go tits up.
However - we don’t wanna relocate outside of the city.
I think a groundshare is the way forward. Provided each club has its own identity within the design. Each club has a specified end to the ground (their Kop and our Gwladys Street) branded outside as ourselves each acting as the away end when the respective teams are at home so we don’t look at their shite and they don’t have to see ours.
It could be the best stadium in the country/Europe/World hosting concerts etc a real landmark for everyone to talk about.
Then we can concentrate on taking over the footballing world!!!
Just a thought - I’m not mad just take a minute to think about it and its actually not as bad as you might think.
However - we don’t wanna relocate outside of the city.
I think a groundshare is the way forward. Provided each club has its own identity within the design. Each club has a specified end to the ground (their Kop and our Gwladys Street) branded outside as ourselves each acting as the away end when the respective teams are at home so we don’t look at their shite and they don’t have to see ours.
It could be the best stadium in the country/Europe/World hosting concerts etc a real landmark for everyone to talk about.
Then we can concentrate on taking over the footballing world!!!
Just a thought - I’m not mad just take a minute to think about it and its actually not as bad as you might think.
No way. I hate the scum fans so much. They are alright people as long as you don?t talk football but once they put that red scum jersey on they are unbearable. Hope they go bust and the yanks run with their money.
The frustrating thing with the RS is that they already have DIC waiting in the wings to take over if thing don?t work out with the yanks.
Once they realise that they can?t afford to do what they promised to do they will sell up and DIC will have a bottomless pit of money to pump in.
In the meantime BK will be working "24/7" to get investment for Everton.
And if you believe that you?ll believe anything!
Once they realise that they can?t afford to do what they promised to do they will sell up and DIC will have a bottomless pit of money to pump in.
In the meantime BK will be working "24/7" to get investment for Everton.
And if you believe that you?ll believe anything!
Warren Bradley should speak up now and support a joint stadium to the hilt. Joe Anderson should also back the idea. I would support this 100% so long as it is a joint venture. Best possible solution is a third each between Liverpool, Everton and Liverpool City Council. Liverpool to take their gate receipts and Everton theirs. The Council would recoup some of their outlay with returns from other uses for the stadium eg, pop concerts.
The Council does support this option.
It has worked elsewhere and realistically, may be the only way either club gets the stadium. Liverpool, haven’t got the money for it, ( the DOC thing is questionable - if they were offering what the current owners wanted then they’d have bought it by now) and we may get our option removed by the enquiry.
It has worked elsewhere and realistically, may be the only way either club gets the stadium. Liverpool, haven’t got the money for it, ( the DOC thing is questionable - if they were offering what the current owners wanted then they’d have bought it by now) and we may get our option removed by the enquiry.
There is not much love and affection between Milan clubs and Rome clubs - and they deal with it and make it work
I have never understood the antipathy of fans and Directors of both clubs towards this idea. Yes I know there a egos involved...particularly Parry’s but perhaps the current financial realities will make such arrogance an unafordable luxury.
Whether Everton can afford to buy their share is another mattter but I would like to see this opportunity taken more seriously.
Together the two clubs could build a fantastic facility that would serve both clubs and with a will from both clubs all the logistical issue could be overcome.
I would much rather Everton shared the cost of the ground and spent their money where it counts...on players!
Whether Everton can afford to buy their share is another mattter but I would like to see this opportunity taken more seriously.
Together the two clubs could build a fantastic facility that would serve both clubs and with a will from both clubs all the logistical issue could be overcome.
I would much rather Everton shared the cost of the ground and spent their money where it counts...on players!
Couldn?t agree more mate; makes perfect geographical and financial sense to me.
Get it done. Once it is done and we move, then those that don?t wanna go the game don?t have to do they...?!?!?
Goodison is fallin? down and we need a new ground - sharpish.
Get it done. Once it is done and we move, then those that don?t wanna go the game don?t have to do they...?!?!?
Goodison is fallin? down and we need a new ground - sharpish.
To all those fans who say NO!! to groundshare .... will you all only be happy when Everton are playing in the lower divisions and have gone bankrupt ... Wake up and smell the roses .. we haven’t got money for transfers never mind a ground to call our own, and dont start with your refurbish Goodison, yes it was an excellent ground but that was years ago ... Time to move on, and one of those options is a groundshare. For me its a winner !!!
It makes too much sense for the bigots to understand. I am very pro this idea, yet I don’t know if it will ever come to fruition.
If you want to see the Blues progress and get back to the summit of English football, this is currently the only deliverable option. We can’t afford to go it alone, and at the moment neither can Liverpool. Let’s take advantage of all the sponsorship, corporate facilities etc. that this huge arena would bring in. Let’s have this thing working for us 7 days a week in terms of car parking, business conferences,concerts, exhibitions, ground tours etc. Let’s get 50,000 + crowds several times a season when we play Liverpool, Man U, European giants etc. All of this while sharing the financial outlay with Liverpool. I’m sure we would qualify for a massive grant if we were to do this. And hopefully LCC would get their finger out and cough up, especially if LFC are involved.
If you want to see the Blues progress and get back to the summit of English football, this is currently the only deliverable option. We can’t afford to go it alone, and at the moment neither can Liverpool. Let’s take advantage of all the sponsorship, corporate facilities etc. that this huge arena would bring in. Let’s have this thing working for us 7 days a week in terms of car parking, business conferences,concerts, exhibitions, ground tours etc. Let’s get 50,000 + crowds several times a season when we play Liverpool, Man U, European giants etc. All of this while sharing the financial outlay with Liverpool. I’m sure we would qualify for a massive grant if we were to do this. And hopefully LCC would get their finger out and cough up, especially if LFC are involved.
Apart from a certain Schaudenfreude at hearing the news from the Dark Side; I totally agree that sharing is the best option for BOTH clubs.
Proviso is that it is a proper share and not as tenants or whatever. It was bad enough hearing them singing about how the City was "theirs" without the jibes that would follow forever if we were anything other than joint partners,.
My view is that LCC need to finally put up or shut up, by building the ground themselves and leasing it back jointly to both Clubs.
A new ground for either club is a long term cost issue and one both could do without. The LCC is best placed to get local and national funding for this in the short term and it would enable a more level playing field (scuse the pun) for Everton going forward.
There seems to be a section of supporters who won’t be happy unless Goodison is re-developed . This won’t happen.
Proviso is that it is a proper share and not as tenants or whatever. It was bad enough hearing them singing about how the City was "theirs" without the jibes that would follow forever if we were anything other than joint partners,.
My view is that LCC need to finally put up or shut up, by building the ground themselves and leasing it back jointly to both Clubs.
A new ground for either club is a long term cost issue and one both could do without. The LCC is best placed to get local and national funding for this in the short term and it would enable a more level playing field (scuse the pun) for Everton going forward.
There seems to be a section of supporters who won’t be happy unless Goodison is re-developed . This won’t happen.
Above all the emotion - the undeniable fact is a groundshare is the best economic solution for both clubs - not just in build but in running costs too. FFS if Internatinale and Milano can do it... and given the shyte are a spin off of us they should enjoy coming home to a ground with us their... I'd prefer to be in the 2010 equilivant of the San Siro than in a tesco car park... course a redeveloped GP is the optimum though.. but no bugger is looking into that at the club..
Dont be silly, in just three months or so Kirkby will get the green light so pointless even having this debate. Come on Kirkby!! COYB
It’s the only sensible option, for the City to get one top quality stadium, for both clubs to stay at their spiritual home Stanley park and from any business point of view you care to name, the synergy is too obvious for any sane managements to turn down. Neither club can compete financially with Man Utd and Chelsea and need every saving in overheads they can get. Trouble is there’s too much sentiment and bigotry involved so common sense and good management go out of the window. Well ok but sentiment and bigotry will win you nothing, good management just might.
I honestly hate the idea of sharing anything with those twats; but economically and realistically it does make sense. I think after an initial grace period of a couple of seasons we will all probably be saying to each other, "why didn’t we do this years ago"!
In a unique city like ours were we all drink together, work together and sometimes live together this issue shouldn’t really be that hard to digest.
LFC can’t and won’t be able to afford a new stadium; by the time Everton ever got the green light for Kirkby that project will also have trebled in cost and won’t be an economic choice.
An interesting debate and one that shouldn’t be ignored.
In a unique city like ours were we all drink together, work together and sometimes live together this issue shouldn’t really be that hard to digest.
LFC can’t and won’t be able to afford a new stadium; by the time Everton ever got the green light for Kirkby that project will also have trebled in cost and won’t be an economic choice.
An interesting debate and one that shouldn’t be ignored.
Thats all great lads - just a couple of points.The RS still dont need us and will not help us out and more importantly we havent got £200m for our share of the stadium or £100m for that matter.Ground share cant and wont happen
Share a ground with Liverpool? I wouldnt share a bag of chips with them.
I think I would prefer our own ground 3 miles away in Kirkby which is part of Liverpool.
I think I would prefer our own ground 3 miles away in Kirkby which is part of Liverpool.
A shared stadium is the sensible option and the option that will deliver the best stadium in the best location that EFC can ever hope for. Turn this option down and we will end up in a tin pot shed similiar to Kikrby, maybe not in Kirkby but whereever it will be it will be cheap and nasty. Our History would be unaffected, we would simply be playing football on a stage befitting one of th worlds oldest football clubs.
A joint stadium is obviously the best short-term option, and would deliver success to Everton sooner than going it alone.
But in the back of the mind, would be the "GB" conundrum - the reason why wales, scotland, and northern ireland dont want to play as part of team GB in the olympics - its a step (albeit, at first, a small one) to losing identity. From there, its a natural option to joining the two clubs in times of future strife and becoming the one "liverpool" club. And one of the clubs in the ground share (the smaller at the time...) loses some influence and independence. I think we all agree that if done right now, liverpool fc would be the dominant partner - the club with the better investment could control a better stake in the new ground, and in terms of lack of investment, an easy way to muscle in on the lodger who cant pay the rent.
I realise other world clubs share stadiums, and the big ones havent joined - but its a threat that would always be in the back of the mind.
But in the back of the mind, would be the "GB" conundrum - the reason why wales, scotland, and northern ireland dont want to play as part of team GB in the olympics - its a step (albeit, at first, a small one) to losing identity. From there, its a natural option to joining the two clubs in times of future strife and becoming the one "liverpool" club. And one of the clubs in the ground share (the smaller at the time...) loses some influence and independence. I think we all agree that if done right now, liverpool fc would be the dominant partner - the club with the better investment could control a better stake in the new ground, and in terms of lack of investment, an easy way to muscle in on the lodger who cant pay the rent.
I realise other world clubs share stadiums, and the big ones havent joined - but its a threat that would always be in the back of the mind.
If it came to a choice of moving to Kirkby or sharing a ground with the shite, within the city boundaries it would be a no brainer. Moving to Kirkby is the death of our great club. IMO!
The Everton fans posting who say they would sooner share with Liverpool than go to Kirkby because of a postcode argument should be ashamed of themselves. . I fail to understand their mentality.
A ground share is hardly ideal but in the real world it has certain advantages and one that I don’t anyone has mentioned before is that it makes our game-day revenue potential equal to that of Liverpool.
They may find it easier initially to fill the stadium because of their Scandinavian supporters, but in the long run we’ll have the exact same game day earning potential.
Which is pretty big.
They may find it easier initially to fill the stadium because of their Scandinavian supporters, but in the long run we’ll have the exact same game day earning potential.
Which is pretty big.
Ian,
Respect your point; but I think it is more than a postcode issue; the thought of moving out of the city boundaries is just too much and to leave the shite with everything is not worth thinking about.
The negative impact the move could have on the club woud be something we may never recover from.
Respect your point; but I think it is more than a postcode issue; the thought of moving out of the city boundaries is just too much and to leave the shite with everything is not worth thinking about.
The negative impact the move could have on the club woud be something we may never recover from.
The irony of all this is this.
If the Belgians had done a job on them the other night they would have been FUCKED! Big time.
They rely on that money and the porky Satan worshiping bastards pulled it off.
They wouldn?t have been able to afford their fucking bus fare home if they had gone out.
As for the stadium. Does make economic sense.
If the Belgians had done a job on them the other night they would have been FUCKED! Big time.
They rely on that money and the porky Satan worshiping bastards pulled it off.
They wouldn?t have been able to afford their fucking bus fare home if they had gone out.
As for the stadium. Does make economic sense.
Just a little point...........or points!
a) economically it does not make sense because we cannot afford it and we would end up as tenants to the dark side!
b) don’t you think that DK is now a fantastic opportunity for us to build our new stadium and leave the RS at anfield. For the first time in years we will have the better stadium and all the benefits that brings, at minimal cost to the club.
It will otherwise be like sharing with a bigger brother. DK is looking better all the time!
a) economically it does not make sense because we cannot afford it and we would end up as tenants to the dark side!
b) don’t you think that DK is now a fantastic opportunity for us to build our new stadium and leave the RS at anfield. For the first time in years we will have the better stadium and all the benefits that brings, at minimal cost to the club.
It will otherwise be like sharing with a bigger brother. DK is looking better all the time!
I risk being shouted down as an Evertonian not from Liverpool, but from my perspective it makes sense. Whenever I come to Everton home games, or visit Liverpool for a social visit I only see Liverpool’s store, branding etc. A ground share, if handled properly by our board (and that is a big big ask after the evidence of the last few years), would prevent the Reds from branding us out of the city. Some might disagree with this seeing it as a move designed to hang on to the coattails of the shite, but I prefer to think of it as a strategic move. And in the modern day premier league strategic moves and business nous are very, very necessary. The other factor is the cost. At the moment neither club is on a fantastic financial footing with regards to stadium development so it would make a lot of sense. I also think it would raise the profile of both clubs further as it would be a distinctive thing to do in British soccer - the world knows of the Milan clubs and their rivalry is well publicised.
However, I am not a native of Liverpool and I know well that territorial issues and local pride are emotive issues. It is an easy thing for me to spout off about. Just a thought as they say...
However, I am not a native of Liverpool and I know well that territorial issues and local pride are emotive issues. It is an easy thing for me to spout off about. Just a thought as they say...
James.
We are not leaving them with anything. We are potentially moving to Kirkby which is 3 miles away and has a Liverpool postcode -Not Timbuktoo
We are not leaving them with anything. We are potentially moving to Kirkby which is 3 miles away and has a Liverpool postcode -Not Timbuktoo
Andy, I think you made some gtood points and you’ve as much right as any other Blue to make them. I don’t see the stadium sharing idea happening though. As a previous post has said, if the yanks don’t get the money together, there’s someone else waiting in the wings with all the money anyone could wish for.
I think you’re right about staying in the city though but this is the big divide.
One thing though. Ian, if the club move, it will no longer be in Liverpool. That might not matter to a lot of fans, but it matters a lot to many fans. So, if you support a move to Kirkby thats fair enough but don’t make the mistake of thinking we’d be staying in Liverpool, as we wouldn’t, we’d be in Knowsley
I think you’re right about staying in the city though but this is the big divide.
One thing though. Ian, if the club move, it will no longer be in Liverpool. That might not matter to a lot of fans, but it matters a lot to many fans. So, if you support a move to Kirkby thats fair enough but don’t make the mistake of thinking we’d be staying in Liverpool, as we wouldn’t, we’d be in Knowsley
HALLELUJAH!
At last the majority ( of posters here anyway ) are beginning to realise that this is the truly sensible option for all concerned.
Council to own the stadium, each club renting it out, each club having 2 dedicated stands, etc, etc.
Liverpool may be a culturally rich city with a fantastic footballing history which is second to no other English / World city, BUT it is not a wealthy city financially.
So, although based on history each club deserves a super stadium, the bottom line is that the wonga isn’t there.
Build it big, build it beautiful, build it together and do what no other British city can do and be truly Scouse by being DIFFERENT!!!
At last the majority ( of posters here anyway ) are beginning to realise that this is the truly sensible option for all concerned.
Council to own the stadium, each club renting it out, each club having 2 dedicated stands, etc, etc.
Liverpool may be a culturally rich city with a fantastic footballing history which is second to no other English / World city, BUT it is not a wealthy city financially.
So, although based on history each club deserves a super stadium, the bottom line is that the wonga isn’t there.
Build it big, build it beautiful, build it together and do what no other British city can do and be truly Scouse by being DIFFERENT!!!
Let’s just lose our identity.....and be a tenant.........but at least we will stay within the existing city boundaries!.....fantastic!
......or we move to our new stadia and the rs fester in their old home.......
sod tradition for the sake of 3 miles......you’re all dreaming if you don’t think we will be the ’poor relations’ in a shared stadium.
......or we move to our new stadia and the rs fester in their old home.......
sod tradition for the sake of 3 miles......you’re all dreaming if you don’t think we will be the ’poor relations’ in a shared stadium.
I think it will only happen if both other options go belly-up which I think is quite possible.
But lets cur the nonsense about redeveloping Goodison. Its been looked at because everyone would have preferred it, and it can’t happen. Its not physically possible
But lets cur the nonsense about redeveloping Goodison. Its been looked at because everyone would have preferred it, and it can’t happen. Its not physically possible
Its all very well mooting it, but without a retail partner or big backer for EFC where are the spondoolies going to come from?. I think it’d be great to reap what a joint stadium could present, but I couldnt hack it if it was all on their terms.
World class stadium feature staduim bring it on. I’m not precious about GP but something in the city would be great.
World class stadium feature staduim bring it on. I’m not precious about GP but something in the city would be great.
i would be against it coz i would have no where to take my dog for a walk. he also hates the rs and he puts the s into rs on his walkies.
Why don’t we groundshare at Kirkby !
I’ll get my coat.
I’ll get my coat.
I am for a groundshare, it makes economic and ecological sense. In Hull the football team shares with the rugby league team and the council in sharing the costs of the stadium and you can see what it has done to their football team in 5 years. It would also act as a uniting factor in a city that has seen more than its fair share of conflict. I don’t like the creeping antipathy and lack of respect that I see from blue to red, we’re not Man U and City or Celtic and Rangers. Reds and blues inhabit the same families.
My Head says it should be considered but then my heart says wo oh.
Couple of practical considerations
1. We couldnt even afford the rent let alone the groundshare costs at the moment unless LCC were to offer it "Virtually rent free".
2. Who gets season ticket preference for Derby matches or big games?
One possibility is to build on, I think his name was John Hughes’ suggestion to have a "stadium fan’s ownership" trust fund set up so that both sets of fans could contribute to and share in the ownership of a joint stadium.
Or we could do what Bullshit Billy has done with GP and offer a share of the gate receipts to LCC on a mortgage basis.
Anyway off to bed now big game tomorrow.
Couple of practical considerations
1. We couldnt even afford the rent let alone the groundshare costs at the moment unless LCC were to offer it "Virtually rent free".
2. Who gets season ticket preference for Derby matches or big games?
One possibility is to build on, I think his name was John Hughes’ suggestion to have a "stadium fan’s ownership" trust fund set up so that both sets of fans could contribute to and share in the ownership of a joint stadium.
Or we could do what Bullshit Billy has done with GP and offer a share of the gate receipts to LCC on a mortgage basis.
Anyway off to bed now big game tomorrow.
I agree with the economic argument for a groundshare, especially as frankly neither club can afford to do what they would like to do.
In some respects it would be coming a full circle to with both clubs in the same house (just like the majority of households in Liverpool) and I have to admit their is some poetic justice in seeing them having torely on EFC to make their dream happen, I love the irony !
BUT in honesty its not going to happen without a good dvd, a vote by the supporters (selective) and the promise of a world class stadium, truely a deal of the century. Oh, wait.. haven’t we done that pitch?
The divide between the clubs is wider than the Grand Canyon, between the supporters even wider. It would be a great option if we could live together but I am dammed if I have to sleep with them too!!
In some respects it would be coming a full circle to with both clubs in the same house (just like the majority of households in Liverpool) and I have to admit their is some poetic justice in seeing them having torely on EFC to make their dream happen, I love the irony !
BUT in honesty its not going to happen without a good dvd, a vote by the supporters (selective) and the promise of a world class stadium, truely a deal of the century. Oh, wait.. haven’t we done that pitch?
The divide between the clubs is wider than the Grand Canyon, between the supporters even wider. It would be a great option if we could live together but I am dammed if I have to sleep with them too!!
As equal partners. it’s a great move.
It makes economic sense
It makes environmental sense
It keeps us in the city
We’ll be playing in a better stadium.
And bottom line (with self interested cynicism) it will tie us to Liverpool FC 50/50. If we go our own way they will outpace year after year after year with regard to revenue streams....and we will NEVER catch up.
It makes environmental sense
It keeps us in the city
We’ll be playing in a better stadium.
And bottom line (with self interested cynicism) it will tie us to Liverpool FC 50/50. If we go our own way they will outpace year after year after year with regard to revenue streams....and we will NEVER catch up.
I haven’t in theory got a problem with ground share. My problem would be for example, say the stadium held 80,000 and I think the other lot would want something like that, otherwise it wouldn’t be a super stadium and they could fill it full of people from Norway. But we would have a problem filling it unfortunately . The stadium would be half full when we played at home. We may get 50,000 for big games but at the moment I can’t see us filling it. That means we play in a half full stadium with no atmosphere. If we could fill it I have no problem... Has anyone actually seen what goes to Anfield lately. I havn’t been near the ground for some time but I had to collect my wife from a venue near the ground and Liverpool were playing a pre season game.. I could believe it! I know we all joke about it but its absolutely true, talk about spot the scouser. They all looked like tourists with brand new straight out of the Liverpool store red and white whatever that they had just bought!
Michael
As editor I think you take you need to have a word with yourself. It is both pertinent and reasonable that this subject is back up for discussion given the recent developments at both clubs.
Some of the bile and the language in this thread directed at the red rats across the park maybe ? appropriate in the Derby but not in a debate about ground sharing. Many of us work with reds, get on buses with reds, have close family who are reds, some of us may even sleep with the enemy.
The bitterness expressed by some posts on here is embarrasing and in some cases disgusting. I was as gutted as any other blue when they predictably squeezed through the other night but after my customary rant at the TV I was able to phone my mate who is a red and engage in some rational discussion and also have a laugh shock horror!
A ground share makes very good sense from every possible angle. Fact is Everton are from the City of Liverpool most Blues were born or reside in the City of Liverpool. I am proud to say I am from Liverpool and I am equally proud to be an Evertonian.
Its time for everyone on Merseyside to show a bit of long term vision and dare I say it show some common sense for a change.
As editor I think you take you need to have a word with yourself. It is both pertinent and reasonable that this subject is back up for discussion given the recent developments at both clubs.
Some of the bile and the language in this thread directed at the red rats across the park maybe ? appropriate in the Derby but not in a debate about ground sharing. Many of us work with reds, get on buses with reds, have close family who are reds, some of us may even sleep with the enemy.
The bitterness expressed by some posts on here is embarrasing and in some cases disgusting. I was as gutted as any other blue when they predictably squeezed through the other night but after my customary rant at the TV I was able to phone my mate who is a red and engage in some rational discussion and also have a laugh shock horror!
A ground share makes very good sense from every possible angle. Fact is Everton are from the City of Liverpool most Blues were born or reside in the City of Liverpool. I am proud to say I am from Liverpool and I am equally proud to be an Evertonian.
Its time for everyone on Merseyside to show a bit of long term vision and dare I say it show some common sense for a change.
It strikes me that it borders on idiotic NOT to seriously consider a 50/50 share.
It will not be simply a case of saving on build costs (and getting a great stadium at the place where we first played - before Priory Rd and before Anfield, IYKYH) but year on year both clubs will save money on running costs. And, moreover, a bigger stadium offers additional revenue streams from concerts, FA Cup semis and perhaps even UEFA Finals or future WorldCup and Euro tournaments?!
In the modern world sentiment is a luxury, we should get in there and investigate the idea.
As for paying for it, how much easier will it be to get credit (or new investment) when we’re looking to finance 50% of a gem rather than a much larger slice of something less promising altogether?! For my money the idea of a shared, big stadium will be the source of envy and concern to many in the Premiership.
Come on Blue and Red, do the right thing. There are thousands of families of both hues living under the same roofs ffs, so why not their football clubs too?!
It will not be simply a case of saving on build costs (and getting a great stadium at the place where we first played - before Priory Rd and before Anfield, IYKYH) but year on year both clubs will save money on running costs. And, moreover, a bigger stadium offers additional revenue streams from concerts, FA Cup semis and perhaps even UEFA Finals or future WorldCup and Euro tournaments?!
In the modern world sentiment is a luxury, we should get in there and investigate the idea.
As for paying for it, how much easier will it be to get credit (or new investment) when we’re looking to finance 50% of a gem rather than a much larger slice of something less promising altogether?! For my money the idea of a shared, big stadium will be the source of envy and concern to many in the Premiership.
Come on Blue and Red, do the right thing. There are thousands of families of both hues living under the same roofs ffs, so why not their football clubs too?!
Regarding Steve’s legitimate concerns about an 80k stadium being half full when we play at home...
Simply give free admission to any child under 10 accompanied by an adult! Then we fill it with future generations of fans.
A decision on any stadium now, and its operational policy, should, after all, be looking AT LEAST one generation ahead.
Simply give free admission to any child under 10 accompanied by an adult! Then we fill it with future generations of fans.
A decision on any stadium now, and its operational policy, should, after all, be looking AT LEAST one generation ahead.
Here’s a thought.....LCC build stadium at cost of £300m.EFC and LFC enter tenancy agreements paying £7.5m rent each year(£15m p.a. jointly).Over 20 years total rent paid amounts to £300m.Assuming cost of borrowing by LCC of say £50/£60m over that period. After 24/25 years LCC have been paid in full.Both clubs earn extra revenue each year from increased gate receipts and better corporate facilities to pay for the annual rent.So effective cost to the clubs is very little, if anything.After 30 years both clubs have a buy out clause to allow them to buy the stadium for a set figure,say £100m(i.e.£50m each).Thereafter the clubs own the stadium and pay no more rent and over 30 years LCC will have received £550m!....Just a thought.
I read at the begining of the debate, ’let the fuckers go bust’, I am sorry.. but Liverpool Fc will never go bust, unfortunatley! If Gillete Fusion cant afford a new stadium, then eventually they will sell, to the likes of DIC, whereby they will obviously be able to afford a stadium, with the kopshite being a ’good’ team in Europe they will never share a stadium with us! I personally beleive that the tesco’s option is not a good option, I would rather we had some sound investment, whereby we are able to afford a stadium through our own inversors rather than a supermarket!
Sharing is not an option.. in my opinon!
Sharing is not an option.. in my opinon!
I’ve just found a spare £200 million in my back pocket which I’ve earmarked for the new "kop". That’s handy because otherwise Everton have no bloody money for a stadium.
This is such an idiotic idea it’s unbelievable. Why don’t we all support them as well!
This is such an idiotic idea it’s unbelievable. Why don’t we all support them as well!
Ian Edwards - you are the kind of guy that I would love to have with me in the Alamo. Blue until you die. Except I want to live!
I had an article published on Tofeeweb in Feb 08(before the call in) entitled ’St Domingo Football Club.
The link is -
http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/07-08/comment/fan/article.asp?submissionID=5963
The benefits of a shared stadium and now it is even more relevant I think.
Come on you blues today. Early goal for the blues hopefully so Goodison is rocking.
6 points out of nine will be an excellent start to the season.
The link is -
http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/07-08/comment/fan/article.asp?submissionID=5963
The benefits of a shared stadium and now it is even more relevant I think.
Come on you blues today. Early goal for the blues hopefully so Goodison is rocking.
6 points out of nine will be an excellent start to the season.
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