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It is a simple fact of Everton Football Club that we have to sell players to buy more; the Johnson and McFadden deals cover the money we spent of Fellaini is to what I refer.

Everton are skint. Get used to it. This club went as far as it could last year and even that was a fuckin? miracle, wasn't it?!?!? Moyes has done well on a limited budget and no wonder he is stalling on signing a contract. Especially when he sees Man City spending £33m on that crying little twat. Moyes has done about as good a job as he could have, I reckon.

Having said that, Moyes's attitude in and around the subs bench recently hasn't helped us much. He hasn't seemed arsed at all. He might just be at the end of his tether with all this shite ? just like a lot of us. Remember it only takes a couple of injuries to Saha and Fellaini and we are back in the same mire as a week ago.

We, as a club, cannot compete in a financial sense with all these billionaires and as money is what runs the game these days, we therefore can't buy the best players to compete on the pitch. We needed to progress and in terms of spending cash to get players in; we simply haven't. If Kenwright thinks spending money on one player that was raised as a result of selling two others is fooling us, then he is sorely mistaken.

I fear people that without the financial acumen needed in order to generate funds (partly because the stadium isn't fit) then we are going backwards.... again. I only hope that players can stay fit this year, or we are in a whole world of shit.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum eh - tell that to Everton FC.....
Andy Callan, Bedlington     Posted 02/09/2008 at 08:55:27

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Matt Sweeney
1   Posted 02/09/2008 at 09:21:40

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While I'm really pleased that Everton managed to get their first big money signing, I think the bigger news for Everton fans yesterday should concern Man City. Here, we have an owner that is willing to spend even more money that Chelsea, with the ambition of being the biggest club in the world. It seems inevitable now that with these unlimited resources Man City are sure to be competing at the top of the table before too long.

The consequences for teams such as Everton, Pompey and even clubs with decent investment such as Aston Villa are dire. In my opinion Man City and Chelsea are effectively cheating, spending money that has no reflection on their turnover causing massive distortion in the premiership. As well as competing with the 'big 4' for the champions league places, we now have to compete with Man City. How long are people going to accept this? Clubs like Chelsea and Man City are ruining the Premiership. So well done Everton for getting Fellaini. But really, does it actually matter anymore?

James Mako
2   Posted 02/09/2008 at 09:57:41

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We are all treading water now hoping to be the next team to have money poured in. It's crazy that even teams who have been bought out recently, are now having to wake up and realize that they need even richer owners who are even more trigger happy with a cheque book. Spurs, Pompey, Villa, ourselves and whoever else you would put in are now going to have to battle to get Europe in any form. Scary times.
Mark Hill
3   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:21:16

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Anybody else noticed that KK has been sacked, left by mutual consent or just left.....St James’s. Has Moyes signed that contract yet...??? Anybody else worried......just a little...????
Brian Williams
4   Posted 02/09/2008 at 10:52:41

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Hmmm... I must admit to mixed feelings at the moment. To wake and see the signing of Fellaini after staying up until just about midnight before crying myself to sleep was a bonus, a BIG bonus! I still maintain that all's not well though, but I don't want to dwell on that one. I'm just about burned out emotionally with regard to ALL things Everton.

The most interesting (or disturbing) transfer window occurrence, in my opinion, is the sale of Man City. Now the buyer is supposed to make Abramovich look like BK in the money stakes... so my point is: Will City emerge as the new Chelsea and buy fourth, third, or even higher in the Premier League, forming a "BIG FIVE"....and making the qualification for Europe even harder for the chasing pack? (by way of the first five places being nailed on in the future)

The magnitude of the sale of City may not have become apparent with all the other distractions at the moment, but I think when the dust settles it may well have a huge impact on things to come, not least on Everton, although it may have happened too late in the day to have the full effect on this season... interesting times!

Brian Doran
5   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:25:04

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He’s not that stupid to go there. If Moyes thinks it’s bad here then all he has to do is ring KK. The place is a circus up there. He can’t even buy and sell his own players. That is why KK has gone
David Whitwell
6   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:23:44

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I think the whole basis has moved again now. Business acumen is not now whats required, Spending £35m for Shevchenko then farming him out on loan for a neglible future fee, add the loss on Wright-Phillips is not good business. Man City will do the same, they will buy whoevers available because they can, then sift out the ones they don’t want and sell for a loss.

They and Chelsea are the only teams that can sustain this, even the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa & Spurs who are all well backed will not continuosly spend beyond there means, because they are all owned by business men.

What we need now is one of two things, either a billionaire thats willing to lose money on a toy or we need the authorities to step in and make these clubs responsible for there finances.
Mike Oates
7   Posted 02/09/2008 at 11:53:14

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Well thank god the window has shut. I for one have developed segs on my typing fingers waiting for the famous ?Watch this Space? . At least they delivered someone we can at least point to with some pride/optimism.

Unfortunately if you look at what we really did ? we actually spent a net £4m: Johnson £11 in , Felliani £15m out. Compare this with our closest foes ? Man City - £70m , Spurs (spent £54m , recouped £70m) , Av - £30m , Pompey (spent £20m , recouped £20m) . Quick look at others who haven?t threatened yet! Sunderland - £25m, Middles - £15m, Fulham - £30m.

What it shows is that:

(i) these clubs financiers whoever they are have shown a strong commitment for them to spend money, ok some have recouped but still their respective managers have gone out and bought and bought significantly.

(ii) The transfer market has leaped significantly in terms of expected fees ? a year ago you could have got Robbie Keane for £12m, now £18m. I suspect to be a club with high expectations you need a transfer kitty of £30m.

(iii) Unfortunately for a Top 4 place please have available (god knows now with City entering it) but I?d guess £60m. Watch City, Chelsea, and ManU drive the market and salaries up to another level. The only good point is that Liverpool will be left floundering as well unless Dubai enter the game again.

As Bill has said himself we cant go any further ? we just cant unless we find our own sugar daddy, Arab country etc. We have to look forward and we have to be sellable, modern, we mustn?t wallow in our past ? that?s gone, swallow our pride and hope to god we look good for an Ambrovich 2 , Sheik 2 or someone with similar spare cash.

It will only be the way we can compete. We cant stay a ?Peoples Club? its absolutely meaningless in todays ways.

Ajay Gopal
8   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:22:33

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Matt and James, good responses. Where is this madness going to end ? (I mean billionaires buying football clubs). Do we really want to be owned bya billionaire, so that we cam play out our Football Fantasy games ? (For me, the answer is "No"). All these big name players, who really don’t care a sh*t, about which club they are playing for, only the $$$ in their eyes ? When will the powers that be wake up and stop the rot in the system ? (Maybe, too late, when the system collapses on itself - like it did in Italy a few years ago)

Sadly, I think it is inevitable that BK will sell the club soon. The fans expectations are too high, the money required to keep up is too much, and the noose is tightening. A matter of time before a Mittal/Ambani or some other billionaire with no knowledge of the game/club’s history will make a bid that cannot be refused.

At that point, I will really fear for this club.
Alan Wainwright
9   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:33:00

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I just had £25 on Moyes going to Newcastle at 33-1.

Odds have now dropped to 12-1 and then 8-1.

You can’t help but think he is totally pissed off after being totally let down by Kenwright and the board over the last 6-8 weeks.

Pissing about at 11pm on the transfer deadline again.

Joke.



Chris S
10   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:34:30

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LOL@ Mark Hill....I was thinking the very same thing! God help us all....

As for the billionaire investor argument is success at any price truly success?? I would suggest not.....
Brian Egan
11   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:32:26

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I wouldn’t bank on City doing anything this season. They may have a few decent forwards but they still have to play with the likes of Ball, Dunne and Hamman in the side. Robinho & co may well score a few goals but they can’t defend.
Dutch Schaffaer
12   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:18:31

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Everton will always be an also-ran club because they simply cannot compete with the financial clout of Big Four (or should we start calling them The Big Five now with richest club in the world Man City).

You cannot blame Moyes for being careful with the little money he has at his disposal and you cannot blame Kenwright for not being a trillionaire. Kenwright has claimed many times that he would gladly sell the club if the right investor came along.

Until that right investor comes along Everton will have to make do with Kenwright limited funds and Moyes will have to continue to race a Fiat on a Formula One track.
Jason Lam
13   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:34:41

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Lads and lassies, should we be surprised? I’m not. This was what the Premier League was meant to be when it was conceived back in the early 90s - an Elitest league. For the rich and famous, the best bloody league in the world.

We’ve all been there before, you go to the club and the bouncers look down at you and deny you entry - VIPs only, you enter a fancy restaurant and the waiters look down at your tees and jeans, you enter those posh LV boutiques and the ladies look down at your plastic watch.

So for those paupers out there, sorry, this elitest club is not for you. Come back when you’ve made it.

Tis a sad state of affairs but that’s the real world of the Premier League. Maybe that’s why we’re the ’people’s club’. Or make that pauper’s club. Get used it to.
Chris Stewart
14   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:43:57

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Maybe they should resurrect the idea of the European Super League...then the rest of us could fight it out amongst ourselves. Football is rotten to the core.

Robinho will be a Chelsea player come January 2009..... Money talks and judas football players walk.
Dutch Schaffaer
15   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:42:53

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Moyes may be a little downhearted at not having the funds to really compete in the league but he would be a fool to swap the steady ship of Everton for Newcastle.

Newcastle probably the worst run club in the Premiership.

Kenwright may have no money but he never interfers with Moyes concerning the team or transfers.

Newcastle may have more financial clout then Everton but they still have hardly nothing compared to Chelsea and Man City.

Moyes would be a fool to leave Everton for Newcastle.
John Roberts
16   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:39:40

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Down here in Oz the AFL (Aussie Rules) has a salary cap, maximum player list and several small trade windows. This has resulted in a more even competition and there is no equivalent to ’the Sky 4’. There are still the richer and poorer clubs but not the great divide as there is in the EPL.

NBA (US basketball) uses a similar system.

Maybe it’s time for UEFA to implement a similar system. I’m sure the big teams from each country would support it!!!
Paul Chisholm
17   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:33:13

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Matt don’t be so feckin stupid to accuse Man.C of cheating their way to success. I, and I guess thousands of other Evertonians would give our right arms for some billionaire investor to take over our club and spend tens of millions on players such as Robiniho, Kaka etc. Parading the Premier League and Champions League trophies around the streets of Liverpool would be a price well worth paying to have some faceless new owner of our club, rather than the clown we’ve got running it now. Good luck to Man.C, their supporters desrve it
Ben Jackson
18   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:49:13

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Keegan’s gone, I think Alan Wainwright could have made a decent bet on Moyes replacing him. Wouldn’t blame him the ways things have gone so far this season!
Jay Wilson
19   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:50:14

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Speaking of City qualifying for the champions league...do you think if the shite finish 5th they’ll extend Champions League entry to 5 teams?

The thing about City getting all this money is that Liverpool or Arsenal or both could go into serious decline without the golden egg of the ’Top 4’ league. This by my reckoning would leave the chasing pack fighting for one place again...here’s hoping!
John Roberts
20   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:59:01

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Jay,

What it means is that RS and the Gooners will be fighting for the last spot.
Peter Howard
21   Posted 02/09/2008 at 14:53:11

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I agree with Chris S except that it’s heading for a world super league. I think Robinho has been " parked " by Chelski.
Jay Wilson
22   Posted 02/09/2008 at 15:12:40

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John

Yes but what if one of them misses out, maybe 2 years on the trott? If it happened to liverpool and they continued to be the shambles off the field that they are now how long until Gerrard leaves how long until Torres leaves?, ...I can see Liverpool and Arsenal moving closer to Spurs, Villa, Pompey (Us maybe) and further away from Chelsea and United certainly. if you bring City into the mix than 1 or both is in big trouble!!!!!!
Gary Creaney
23   Posted 02/09/2008 at 16:26:06

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Alan Wainwright
What are you on about - "Pissing about at 11pm on the transfer deadline again"

Man Utd, the biggest club in the world were also "pissing about " in making their only summer signing.


Admittedly this transfer window has been the most frustrating/stressful thing ever but I don’t see this as a valid point, especially as Moyes is now saying that he’s been chasing him for quite some time.
Everton Carter
24   Posted 02/09/2008 at 16:46:35

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Is there some Toffeeweb sweepstake that I don’t know about that gives the most negative posters money off vouchers for AMazon or something?

We’ve signed 5 players, 4 of them internationals for £15m! we’ve broken our transfer record for the 4th time in as many years.

" more injuries wouldn’t do what you say.You’re forgetting the other players we bought. Castillio is our Holding midfielder not Felaini.

Blimy we’ve got a DM better than Carsley, strikers better than AJ and McFadden and a NEw RB and new box to box MF to boot. One we’ve been trying to sign since March at least!

Give it a rest. We don’t have to sell to buy. You’re logic is spurious at best. If I spent £1,000 in August does that prove all I had to spend was £1,000? or all I get paid is £1,000 a month? Of course it dosn’t. Why so many people are so eager to call Moyes a liar #I don’t know.



"?Once we get some other boys back like Tim Cahill and Steven Pienaar we will be in better shape and I hope, if I have to, there is room to do some business again in January.?
Ray Robinson
25   Posted 02/09/2008 at 20:46:39

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Talking to some Rugby League fans earlier, the consensus was that football has completely lost its way. I probably wouldn’t be interested any more if it weren’t for my 46 year old love affair with the Blues. However, I believe it will shortly self correct - UEFA will introduce some sort of ruling I’m sure to level the playing field - after all it won’ t just be the English PL that resembles the SPL, it will be the Champions League itself!

Added to that several clubs will implode what with the credit crunch / recession - what price a PL club in Administration, I wonder?

This Man City business just highlights the need for action. Bring on the salary cap etc and maybe we’ll all rediscover our enthusiasm.

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