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David Moyes why wont you sign?
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The new contract was agreed months ago and apparently Moyes ?has no problems with it?. Moyes then acquired a new No 2, eventually replacing Alan Irvine with Steve Round from Newcastle. The transfer window is now closed and he has bought in Jacobsen, Castillo, Nash, Saha and Fellaini. So now whats the delay???
Moyes recently has been linked with Newcastle and West Ham and although he's probably not going to go to either of them, not much has been said from Everton saying Moyes is going nowhere etc. By not signing, the speculation just continues about Moyes and continues to put Everton FC in a dim light.
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Michael Kenrick
Just to buck the trend for a moment, he's still under contract for the best part of another year on his existing deal, so is it really that important he signs? Perhaps all this fretting and wailing on our part is unnecessary?
Nothing stopping him now, maybe he is waiting until Saturday to give the team a boost before Sunday's game?
Just throwing it out there!
Just throwing it out there!
Fully agreed Michael.
At the end of the day, all the talk and press it's receiving isn?t going to make it happen any sooner. There?s obviously a reason why its not done.
If it's going to be signed then the negotiations aren?t quite finished.
At the end of the day, all the talk and press it's receiving isn?t going to make it happen any sooner. There?s obviously a reason why its not done.
If it's going to be signed then the negotiations aren?t quite finished.
Good point, Michael. On the optimistic side there is still plenty of time to cement things long-term.
However, I do think our concern in any delay in signing is based on the unsettling effect that a final year of a contract has on the club as a whole. We’ve seen enough times what effect a player in that situation has on the club - with the ultimate hit being losing any transfer value when things don’t work out. I know that doesn’t really apply to a manager, but I think it creates an unnecessary air of uncertainty - especially with players not sure where their futures are best placed to be.
Given the new assistant, some reasonable additions to the squad (if not quite as impressive as we would have liked), apparently an impressive new contract on offer, the closure of the transfer window and the re-iteration of the new ground status/aim (for better or worse) - then I can see only two reasons why he is prolonging the wait:
1) Uncertainty or loss of trust with the ability of the existing board to support his vision - or concerns that a boardroom coup is just around the corner which will radically alter the landscape of the club: or
2) He is keeping options open regarding a change of club. As he’d be stupid to go to Newcastle or West Ham (clubs no better than us, and in my view actually inferior at present), and I no longer buy the ’Fergie Successor’ scenario anymore, the only role that could tempt him is the Celtic role (where transfer funds might not be any better, but he’d be a bigger fish in as smaller pond and have European Football guaranteed every season). I honestly think Strachan is only ever a few poor defeats away from the sack (no matter how daft that would be).
I also think he will sign his new contract shortly, despite his ’reality check’ with the board this summer - but it would be nice to put this one to bed so we can focus our attentions fully on events on the pitch to a greater extent.
However, I do think our concern in any delay in signing is based on the unsettling effect that a final year of a contract has on the club as a whole. We’ve seen enough times what effect a player in that situation has on the club - with the ultimate hit being losing any transfer value when things don’t work out. I know that doesn’t really apply to a manager, but I think it creates an unnecessary air of uncertainty - especially with players not sure where their futures are best placed to be.
Given the new assistant, some reasonable additions to the squad (if not quite as impressive as we would have liked), apparently an impressive new contract on offer, the closure of the transfer window and the re-iteration of the new ground status/aim (for better or worse) - then I can see only two reasons why he is prolonging the wait:
1) Uncertainty or loss of trust with the ability of the existing board to support his vision - or concerns that a boardroom coup is just around the corner which will radically alter the landscape of the club: or
2) He is keeping options open regarding a change of club. As he’d be stupid to go to Newcastle or West Ham (clubs no better than us, and in my view actually inferior at present), and I no longer buy the ’Fergie Successor’ scenario anymore, the only role that could tempt him is the Celtic role (where transfer funds might not be any better, but he’d be a bigger fish in as smaller pond and have European Football guaranteed every season). I honestly think Strachan is only ever a few poor defeats away from the sack (no matter how daft that would be).
I also think he will sign his new contract shortly, despite his ’reality check’ with the board this summer - but it would be nice to put this one to bed so we can focus our attentions fully on events on the pitch to a greater extent.
Could Moyes not signing be linked to other factors in the boardroom?... It wouldn?t suprise me if his committal is subject to the results of BK?s "search" for a buyer and/or the outcome of the DK saga.
My own personal theory is:
Moyes has to battle year in year out with the board for transfer fees. Whilst his contract is close to running out he has a massive advantage in his quest for cash... i.e either give me x millions or i’ll not sign. If he were to sign a new 5 year deal this would weaken his hand massively when asking for a substantial transfer budget.
He’ll either wait till next summer and see what the transfer budget is before deciding whether to sign a new deal, get some sort of guarantee put in the contract asap before signing, or sign a substantially shorter deal then 5 years, which the board will nto want to offer.
All the time this goes on it forces Bill to look for cash, be it borrow of friends or sell the club to a wealthy backer.
Moyes is the master of board room politics and he is using the current situation to pressure Bill.
Until were taken over or Bill finds some way of guaranteeing a sizeable budget for Jan or next summer Moyes wont sign, or will only sign a 1 year extension.
These are my thoughts, I can’t back them up with inside info etc.
Moyes has to battle year in year out with the board for transfer fees. Whilst his contract is close to running out he has a massive advantage in his quest for cash... i.e either give me x millions or i’ll not sign. If he were to sign a new 5 year deal this would weaken his hand massively when asking for a substantial transfer budget.
He’ll either wait till next summer and see what the transfer budget is before deciding whether to sign a new deal, get some sort of guarantee put in the contract asap before signing, or sign a substantially shorter deal then 5 years, which the board will nto want to offer.
All the time this goes on it forces Bill to look for cash, be it borrow of friends or sell the club to a wealthy backer.
Moyes is the master of board room politics and he is using the current situation to pressure Bill.
Until were taken over or Bill finds some way of guaranteeing a sizeable budget for Jan or next summer Moyes wont sign, or will only sign a 1 year extension.
These are my thoughts, I can’t back them up with inside info etc.
I’m with Andy i think he’s playing Hardball Kenwright & Co.
I think all this dithering or posturing (depending on your point of view ) on the new contract shows David’s true motivations : money & ambition.
To paraphrase Monty Python :
" He’s not the Moyesiah, Just a very naughty boy ! "
To paraphrase Monty Python :
" He’s not the Moyesiah, Just a very naughty boy ! "
I don?t understand the confusion over why Mr Moyes hasn?t signed. Surely he?s just looking after number 1 like any of us would. No matter whether he?s singed the contract or not, Everton are not exactly a stable club at the moment and he?s probably waiting to see what happens with the ground move, club ownership, financial situation etc before he commits his future ? to be honest I?d do exactly the same in his situation.
You are also assuming (Daniel) that he is happy with the 5 last-ditch signings. To me the fact they were made so late is a strong indication that they were not his main targets, and that he made the best of a bad transfer window where he missed out on his main targets. Did he receive the necessary support?
You are also assuming (Daniel) that he is happy with the 5 last-ditch signings. To me the fact they were made so late is a strong indication that they were not his main targets, and that he made the best of a bad transfer window where he missed out on his main targets. Did he receive the necessary support?
I’ve said on here before. Moyes will only sign when he knows the club can compete and that will be when Kirkby gets the go ahead.
If we get Kirkby then Moyes will stay.
If we dont get Kirkby he will leave.
If we get Kirkby then Moyes will stay.
If we dont get Kirkby he will leave.
Well, I have it on sound authority, that Moyes hasn?t signed a new contract because it does not keep him at the club beyond 2050. He is not happy that he may have severe pension problems.
Additionally, there is no secretary at the club to type the contract because they can?t afford to buy the computer needed and they?ve had to borrow an old fountain pen from Tranmere for the signing....
In Fergie We Trust
Come On You ... erm..ManUtd reserves... :0(
Additionally, there is no secretary at the club to type the contract because they can?t afford to buy the computer needed and they?ve had to borrow an old fountain pen from Tranmere for the signing....
In Fergie We Trust
Come On You ... erm..ManUtd reserves... :0(
Ian I disagree as your view is far to black and white for me.
Kirkby will net us about £10m extra a year, do you think thats enough to compete with the likes of Chelsea, Man U, Man City etc? Not really so we still need other investment.
If we don?t get Kirkby but there are billionaires sniffing around will he leave? Probably not.
Theres way to many other factors to consider then just Kirkby.
Kirkby will net us about £10m extra a year, do you think thats enough to compete with the likes of Chelsea, Man U, Man City etc? Not really so we still need other investment.
If we don?t get Kirkby but there are billionaires sniffing around will he leave? Probably not.
Theres way to many other factors to consider then just Kirkby.
I have always admired and supported David Moyes but I am just beginning to wonder if it would be such a disaster were he to go. I think his safety first tactics have been essential to get the club where it is but I have a slight suspicion that he is pretty one dimensional.
If we are offering £3 million a year then I think we could line up a decent replacement. Are there any Evertonians who would not be excited at the prospect of someone like Zola coaching the squad? DM has been good for Everton but he?s not bigger tha Everton.
Fully agree Andy Crook, DM is not greater than our club and, I suspect he is playing games with the board, ie, 1st - the Man Utd assistant job may have been his (that's gone now of course), 2nd West Ham job (but they will probably want some one who is more charismatic & certainly not DM?s best point), 3rd Barcode job (well if you fancy that job you?d have to a nutter !!)
Therefore David, either sign or roll over - life & EFC goes on....
COYB
Therefore David, either sign or roll over - life & EFC goes on....
COYB
ex Chelsea players are hot property at the moment and with our Hollywood connections Vinnie Jones would be the obvious choice if Davie decided to leave.Popular choice I m sure you would agree.
Moyes will throw his hand in, just as Vaughanny retires - in about 12-14 years time
I cant stand the thought of these fucken idiotic debates croping up every week for the next 12 years,
Of course you guys will be right some day - if you live long enough
I cant stand the thought of these fucken idiotic debates croping up every week for the next 12 years,
Of course you guys will be right some day - if you live long enough
I think I am in a time warp when I read these posts.... I remember last year (or was it the year before) we should "try to get Big Sam"..... then it was the guy who got sacked at Spurs (Jol) and then it was ?arry, and then it was whoever wasn?t managing us. I bet if you went over to the Newcastle forums there would be a ton of talk very similiar to what we have gone through here.... I like Moyes, and I hope he stays for a long time because what exactly else can go wrong?
Marc Williams: "This dithering shows Moyes's true motivations, money and ambition"
If money was his motivation, he would signed ages ago as this contract would double his wages. As for ambition, you better hope he has ambition, if not what the fuck is he doing in a football managers job???
I thought it was public knowledge that Moyes wants some sort of guarantee over transfer funds. It would be almost impossible to have that enforcably incorporated into a contract and it may be that the problem is "get out" clauses should those transfer funds not eventuate to the manager’s liking. It may also be that Everton would prefer some room for compensation negotiation should Moyes decide not to fulfil the last year of his current contract.
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