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Despite all of the negativity there are some good points to come out of things recently:
a) We've got rid of a Chief Executive Officer none of us really liked or had faith in
b) It looks like we aren't going to Kirby
c) We signed the midfield general that we wanted (this was more a priority that Mouthino)
d) We've added a defensive midfielder that we needed
e) We've added more experience to the back and front lines
So not all bad. Just wish Moyes would sign his contract.
Jonathan Fletcher, Posted 09/09/2008 at 14:32:14
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Bloody hell Gavin!
The same clown that employed David Moyes, Gavin?
’Midfield general’ - god I hate that phrase...
Point of order - what we have bought is a defensive midfielder who moyes hopes can fulfill our serious lack of creativity in the middle....its a gamble at most..
Point of order - what we have bought is a defensive midfielder who moyes hopes can fulfill our serious lack of creativity in the middle....its a gamble at most..
Gavin,
Can we not just all be positive and get behind the team at least until January (next transfer window) or whenever we hear the outcome of the DK enquiry?
I am also convinced BK will sell within the next year!!!!!!!
Can we not just all be positive and get behind the team at least until January (next transfer window) or whenever we hear the outcome of the DK enquiry?
I am also convinced BK will sell within the next year!!!!!!!
Ajay, employing David Moyes was a good piece of work; staying loyal to him was also admirable but I don?t think it negates the failures that BK has overseen.
There's not much likelyhood of Everton being taken over by anyone Indian - Lakshmi Mittal never said he was interested, and neither did Anil Ambani. Both men are extremely rich but have denied all media reports linking them with Newcastle, let alone Everton - this was mooted once by an Indian website about a month ago but nothing ever came of it.
Personally I would love it if Mittal or Ambani took over at Everton, but sadly we have very little to offer a high-flying foreign investor.
Shit/old stadium in a terrible location, bad image as a club in most parts of the country/world in part due to the RS success, a very localised if not large fanbase (the People's Club image doesn't help us at all in a World sense), and very little European pedigree/exposure anytime ever, and not much in the way of revenue streams to make us a viable investment.
Personally I would love it if Mittal or Ambani took over at Everton, but sadly we have very little to offer a high-flying foreign investor.
Shit/old stadium in a terrible location, bad image as a club in most parts of the country/world in part due to the RS success, a very localised if not large fanbase (the People's Club image doesn't help us at all in a World sense), and very little European pedigree/exposure anytime ever, and not much in the way of revenue streams to make us a viable investment.
As far as I can tell ? Everton are an old school club with old school values; something our fans are hugely proud of, but sadly these ways of thinking hold us back in my view ? we need to let go of the past, not forget, but look at modernising our thinking as well as our club. Unfortunately I don't think there are enough Evertonians that are brave enough to do it.
James, I think that most Evertonians are quite happy to modernize their thinking. However, by modern thinking do you mean moving to Kirkby?
Oh and by the way, theres a Mexican guy called Carlos Slim Helú who is being (slightly) linked with moves for a footy team and possibly Everton - he happens to be the 2nd, yes 2nd richest man in the world so has a few quid. I believe he owns stakes in some baseball team/teams but may be on the lookout for a footy team from the Prem, seeing as its all the rage these days among the super-rich.
Watch this space.
Watch this space.
Andy, Kirkby wasnt in my thoughts at all mate - it never is.
With our luck it’ll be a ’possible Indian takeaway’.
Putting a positive slant on the close season is like saying that rescueing the surviving lifeboats from the Titanic made the sinking a success story.
Putting a positive slant on the close season is like saying that rescueing the surviving lifeboats from the Titanic made the sinking a success story.
You have to look at the City buyout from an outsiders point of view; are we really bigger than City? What have we won in the last 20 years? They have just as high a profile in the modern era as we do, they have a large fanbase, a much better stadium than us and are able to attract lots of players as a result of their facilities. You also have to take into consideration the fact that they had Erikkson in charge which raised their profile imeasureably.
I would say we?re not a bigger club than City anymore, maybe with our history, but as I said before, history counts for very little nowadays.
I would say we?re not a bigger club than City anymore, maybe with our history, but as I said before, history counts for very little nowadays.
Simply because they play in a first class stadium. This was the Stadium hat was built for the Commonwealth Games held in Manchester a few years back.
Compare with the old decrepit venue so beloved of you who cannot see beyond the end of your nose
Compare with the old decrepit venue so beloved of you who cannot see beyond the end of your nose
James Marshall - re our location - it has served us well since 1892. I can recall in 1970-71 and 1971-72 the locality coped with crowds of 50,000+ on the same Saturday at Goodison and Anfield. Both ourselves and our dear neighbours were drawn at home in the same FA Cup round several times over these two seasons. The locality seemed to cope reasonably well I recall.
Next time you go to Goodison take a walk round to Priory Road. You will see coaches carrying Evertonians from all over the country, from various parts of North Wales to the supporters club in Devon. I am an exiled Evertonian living now near Lincoln. Also you might like to check out some of our overseas Evertonians’ websites e.g. in Ireland and Australia. To call our support localised is rather short sighted for someone who claims that his thinking is "Modernised".
Next time you go to Goodison take a walk round to Priory Road. You will see coaches carrying Evertonians from all over the country, from various parts of North Wales to the supporters club in Devon. I am an exiled Evertonian living now near Lincoln. Also you might like to check out some of our overseas Evertonians’ websites e.g. in Ireland and Australia. To call our support localised is rather short sighted for someone who claims that his thinking is "Modernised".
Tim Lloyd ? no doubt if you are lucky enough to get a ticket for an important game at Goodison you will decide to sell it as you wouldn?t want to be seen at our "decrepit" venue as you call it. If you are so enamoured of the latest edition to the "Super Rich" perhaps you should make your way to the City of Manchester Stadium.
Presumably you think £30m+ transfers and £160,000 per week players is the future of the game? Sooner or later reality will strike home. As the saying goes ? "Money easily acquired is often easily squandered". When the going gets tough ? as it surely will at some time or other ? will these "Super Rich " owners still be around ?
The main qualification in my book for a takeover of our club is that the individual/individuals concerned are committed to the future of the club and not just out to make a "fast buck".
Presumably you think £30m+ transfers and £160,000 per week players is the future of the game? Sooner or later reality will strike home. As the saying goes ? "Money easily acquired is often easily squandered". When the going gets tough ? as it surely will at some time or other ? will these "Super Rich " owners still be around ?
The main qualification in my book for a takeover of our club is that the individual/individuals concerned are committed to the future of the club and not just out to make a "fast buck".
Michael, you’re right and perhaps I didnt make my point clear - what I meant was that compared to say Utd, Arsenal, the RS, our support is mainly UK based, whereas they have a much more global presence, meaning that as a club we don’t have the same draw as they do for investors.
Couple that with the fact that Goodison is old and a bit knackered, investors aren’t that interested in us.
Ref your points about the 70’s and us being there since 1892; they may be true but times are very different now, the infrastructure around the country is totally different, then amount of cars on the road, the roads themselves, the way people travel, the time it takes to get from A to B, all very different I’m sure you agree.
Couple that with the fact that Goodison is old and a bit knackered, investors aren’t that interested in us.
Ref your points about the 70’s and us being there since 1892; they may be true but times are very different now, the infrastructure around the country is totally different, then amount of cars on the road, the roads themselves, the way people travel, the time it takes to get from A to B, all very different I’m sure you agree.
One other thing Michael, these are the average attendance figures at Goodison during the 70’s:
1970-71: 41,090 (4)
1971-72: 37,242 (7)
1972-73: 34,471 (6)
1973-74: 35,351 (4)
1974-75: 40,021 (3)
1975-76: 27,115 (12)
1976-77: 30,046 (11)
1977-78: 39,513 (4)
1978-79: 35,456 (5)
1979-80: 28,711 (7)
Not even nearly approaching 50,000 to be fair :)
1970-71: 41,090 (4)
1971-72: 37,242 (7)
1972-73: 34,471 (6)
1973-74: 35,351 (4)
1974-75: 40,021 (3)
1975-76: 27,115 (12)
1976-77: 30,046 (11)
1977-78: 39,513 (4)
1978-79: 35,456 (5)
1979-80: 28,711 (7)
Not even nearly approaching 50,000 to be fair :)
Sorry to post so many in a rown but Michael, do you think these super-rich people are in it for the money and nothing else? Surely someone with wealth in the region of say $50billion doesn't have much to make in the world of football that's going to come close to say oil or steel money? I suspect there's more to it than money to be made from football itself ? political gain for example?
Tim Lloyd, is Kirkby a first class stadium then?
We are prime for investment now because our value will go up if we moved to a newer stadium. Surely an investor would want to make more money out of us? The reason there will be no take over is because Kenwright wants to make a mint out of our club and he won’t do so until he’s moved us.
We are prime for investment now because our value will go up if we moved to a newer stadium. Surely an investor would want to make more money out of us? The reason there will be no take over is because Kenwright wants to make a mint out of our club and he won’t do so until he’s moved us.
a, Bill Kenwright is not Bill Gates
b, I demand we are a world name on the proviso we don?t move the venue four miles.
c, I would only be confident if our midfield general cost £30 million.
d, Whenever did a loan signing work out well except for Arteta and Pienaar?
b, I demand we are a world name on the proviso we don?t move the venue four miles.
c, I would only be confident if our midfield general cost £30 million.
d, Whenever did a loan signing work out well except for Arteta and Pienaar?
Gavin Ramejkis: What right have you got to tell the TRUE facts? A lot of people on here prefer to bury their head in the sand. I know the saying, "one swallow doesn?t make a season", but apparently ONE signing does. With our luck, the only person Bill will hand over control to is an administrator... No wonder Dave has not signed ? still Bill, bless him, is a true blue.
James - our attendances were lower in some seasons in the 1970’s when the team struggled, also in the late 70’s early 1980’s attendances fell across the country as the economic situation took effect e.g. high unemployment. There is the current global financial situation - how long before the reality of that hits football ?
The world's economic slowdown is already underway as you rightly point out Micheal, and those at the top table will feel if as much as those at the low end to varying degrees obviously. We at Everton are feeling it because there's only so much wealth to go around.
The reason I noted the attendance figures for the 70s was slightly tongue-in-cheek as a result of your comments about 50,000 at Goodison. :)
Only time will tell how much football is hit, and how hard the economic slow-down hits sport in general. There have and always will be an ebb & flow economically so this is nothing new.
The reason I noted the attendance figures for the 70s was slightly tongue-in-cheek as a result of your comments about 50,000 at Goodison. :)
Only time will tell how much football is hit, and how hard the economic slow-down hits sport in general. There have and always will be an ebb & flow economically so this is nothing new.
Anyone want to see Felliani in action tonite, you can access this site and they should be showing it: http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports
or even the England game if anyone doesn't have Setanta.
or even the England game if anyone doesn't have Setanta.
James - 50,000 at Goodison - indeed
vs Middlesbrough 4th Round FA Cup Jan 1971. 3-0 win
vs Derby County 5th Round FA Cup
Feb 1971 1-0 win
vs Colchester United 6th Round FA Cup March 1971 5-0 win
All those games had attendances of over 50,000 ( probably closer to 55,000) and were greater than the European Cup attendances at Goodison that season.
The following year - if memory serves me right - we had one 50,000 + attendance in the FA Cup for the 5th Round game vs Tottenham and two 45,000 + gates for 3rd Round replay vs Crystal Palace and 4th Round vs Walsall.
I was 14 at that time ( 1972) and I recall it was the time of miners strikes,power workers strikes and later on in the decade the 3 day week. Some midweek games had to played during the afternoon , so that had an effect on the attendances.
Sorry to be an anorak !!!
Indeed there will always be an economic ebb as flow as you put it. But whilst ownership by the "Super Rich" - either in the form of an individual or a group - looks appealing I worry about the long term. Remember it’s not so long ago that the Icelandic guys breezed into Upton Park ( sorry for the pun) and Tevez and Mascherano were "signed" and there were promises of more to come. I wonder what Alan Curbishley thinks about it all !!? :( Nearer to home Liverpool have found out that their "foreign" ownership has come with strings atttached. Nowe if only someone could persuade Paul McCartney to buy us !!
vs Middlesbrough 4th Round FA Cup Jan 1971. 3-0 win
vs Derby County 5th Round FA Cup
Feb 1971 1-0 win
vs Colchester United 6th Round FA Cup March 1971 5-0 win
All those games had attendances of over 50,000 ( probably closer to 55,000) and were greater than the European Cup attendances at Goodison that season.
The following year - if memory serves me right - we had one 50,000 + attendance in the FA Cup for the 5th Round game vs Tottenham and two 45,000 + gates for 3rd Round replay vs Crystal Palace and 4th Round vs Walsall.
I was 14 at that time ( 1972) and I recall it was the time of miners strikes,power workers strikes and later on in the decade the 3 day week. Some midweek games had to played during the afternoon , so that had an effect on the attendances.
Sorry to be an anorak !!!
Indeed there will always be an economic ebb as flow as you put it. But whilst ownership by the "Super Rich" - either in the form of an individual or a group - looks appealing I worry about the long term. Remember it’s not so long ago that the Icelandic guys breezed into Upton Park ( sorry for the pun) and Tevez and Mascherano were "signed" and there were promises of more to come. I wonder what Alan Curbishley thinks about it all !!? :( Nearer to home Liverpool have found out that their "foreign" ownership has come with strings atttached. Nowe if only someone could persuade Paul McCartney to buy us !!
Michael, I’m not saying we need a foreign investor by the way, in case that was the impression I was giving you - I was merely trying to answer Stephen’s question as to why we haven’t managed to find one as yet.
I’m like you in that I think all this money will ruin football, and to a large degree already has.
If its inevitable that in the modern age you either ’sink or swim’ then I’d rather we swam in the short to medium term than just sank without trace - better to have loved & lost, than never to have loved at all.....
I’m like you in that I think all this money will ruin football, and to a large degree already has.
If its inevitable that in the modern age you either ’sink or swim’ then I’d rather we swam in the short to medium term than just sank without trace - better to have loved & lost, than never to have loved at all.....
I agree with you on that one - the reference to Foreign ownership was due to the fact that it seems to be the fashion these days. I would not be against American ownership of Everton - as long as it was Bruce Springsteen !!
Seriously the lack of investment in Everton is something that is quite strange really. We have a great tradition and a loyal following. All the right ingredients you would think. But let?s not forget that Aston Villa have only recently been taken over - i.e. within the last couple of years. For a long while they were in a virtually the same position as us. There are other clubs similar to Everton that have not had great investment and some clubs that have had major investment have been wishing that they hadn?t.
Seriously the lack of investment in Everton is something that is quite strange really. We have a great tradition and a loyal following. All the right ingredients you would think. But let?s not forget that Aston Villa have only recently been taken over - i.e. within the last couple of years. For a long while they were in a virtually the same position as us. There are other clubs similar to Everton that have not had great investment and some clubs that have had major investment have been wishing that they hadn?t.
As long as the investment is wise, for instance Man City are suddenly catapulted into the realms of the mega-rich. But it?s how the money is spent that is the key. Will theses guys allow Mark Hughes to do things his way? Or will they interfere?
Yobo was a loan signing too.... as was Big Dunc. They turned out alright didn?t they?
Ajay, BK signed DM on Walter Smith’s recommendation - he didn’t find him.
As far as loans that have become permanent signings yes fair play but as per the horse’s arse mouth himself at the EGM he is potless and unable to continue as he has been so what money tree does he use to fund making them permanent and surely he has already looked down the back of his couch.
But as Roy said so well why say things too close to home when you can put your fingers in your ears and pretend all is well as Black Bill "is a blue".
As far as loans that have become permanent signings yes fair play but as per the horse’s arse mouth himself at the EGM he is potless and unable to continue as he has been so what money tree does he use to fund making them permanent and surely he has already looked down the back of his couch.
But as Roy said so well why say things too close to home when you can put your fingers in your ears and pretend all is well as Black Bill "is a blue".
Crowds attend football matches if they can afford to attend and if they are being entertained. I have been in Goodison when crowd records were set... 78,000 versus Liverpool and 72,000 versus Spurs in the FA Cup 5th round. So people will go if the criteria is met. At the current prices, many people cannot afford to go regularly and let's face it we have not been entertained by quick passing football. I believe we are the only club who qualified for the champions cup with a negative goal difference when we finished 4th and most of our goals in those days came from set pieces. Play good football and the crowds will rise... we would get huge crowds if we entertained like Arsenal do even without winning trophies.
Rob Holis - Yobo? Howard? Ring any bells?
James,
A bit mischevous with your attendance table there. The season before the first one that you listed we averaged 49,531.... with several similar in the seasons preceeding including a 51,603 average in 1963.
A bit mischevous with your attendance table there. The season before the first one that you listed we averaged 49,531.... with several similar in the seasons preceeding including a 51,603 average in 1963.
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a. the clown that employed him is still with us
b. who knows and given the EGM transcript BK is dead set blinkers on all steam ahead to keeping the exclusivity deal on for desperation/disaster Kirkby
c. agree having watched him against the RS and hope he does just that again in the Derby match - hopefully we wont get a RS ref this season
d. we have only borrowed a potential Carsley replacement, I hope he does work out but where does BK find the money to buy him next year?
e. again I hope they work out but given Saha’s injury record I’ll wait and see and Jacobsen only got seven games last year so again wait and see