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What a game! I was edge of my seat for the whole second half. Great win and it should now set us on our way.
I just thought I'd comment on the first impressions offered by our two new signings playing today. For me, Castillo won the battle over Fellaini clearly. Although his long passing looks to need a little work he worked very hard for the team and made some impressive tackles. Fellaini looked ok first half but apart from winning a couple of headers was anonymnous. Let's hope it´s just first day nerves.
But, for me Castillo looks like he could cut it and take a place in the team. Great to have Tim back and, despite having a farily quiet game all in all, he did what he does best.
Robert Prince, Posted 14/09/2008 at 15:39:04
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I thought Fellaini was outmuscled a little too much in the headers but that will come with time. The best thing about both debutants is that they wanted to pass the ball and rarely went in to Pip/Jags/Lescott mode and hoofed it.
rob - i was thinking the same thing - definately screech!
I think Fellaini played equally well. He was involved just as much as Castillo, so much so he had a hand in the first goal.
A good debut by both, Castillo for slotting in well in front of defence and Fellaini for getting forward when needed.
Remember it was their first game and neither speak English.
Well done lads, welcome home.
A good debut by both, Castillo for slotting in well in front of defence and Fellaini for getting forward when needed.
Remember it was their first game and neither speak English.
Well done lads, welcome home.
Very pleased with the win. What’s up with Howard this season? He’s costing us a few goals this season.
Also does anyone know what the deal is with the FA now? I bet the bastards suspend Moyes and give Wiley the cup final. There should be a penometer set up on this site which counts the number of panlties we should be given but don’t get - see if the refs can beat last seasons total of about 20.
Also does anyone know what the deal is with the FA now? I bet the bastards suspend Moyes and give Wiley the cup final. There should be a penometer set up on this site which counts the number of panlties we should be given but don’t get - see if the refs can beat last seasons total of about 20.
I agree in that I think Castillo was the better of the 2 today... but Fellaini looks like he can still give more... Castillo’s passing will always be a little wayward but he still thinks about going foward as opposed to Carsely.. lets hope Moyes doesn’t change that....
Win vital... Great to have Tim back.... but the backs need to settle down a bit and show the grit and intelligence they did the whole of last season..
Win vital... Great to have Tim back.... but the backs need to settle down a bit and show the grit and intelligence they did the whole of last season..
Early days to make a judgement on the new lads yet, hopefully they will adjust to the pace of the prem, quickly.
Tom, not being funny mate, but for £15m, I do expect Fellaini to become outstanding, and as I mentioned, it is early days, so I’ll reserve judgement for now, but he does not look like a £15m player.
Tom, not being funny mate, but for £15m, I do expect Fellaini to become outstanding, and as I mentioned, it is early days, so I’ll reserve judgement for now, but he does not look like a £15m player.
If Fellaini really cost £15M-which I doubt-Moyes has paid well over the top on today’s showing.He’s a player with the worst disciplinary record in Begium and his timing today demonstrated why this should be so.
Can’t see him being worthy of holding a place when Pins and Ossie are fit and he’s ineligible for Europe.
Another nice little earner for some agent or other,no doubt!
Can’t see him being worthy of holding a place when Pins and Ossie are fit and he’s ineligible for Europe.
Another nice little earner for some agent or other,no doubt!
Fellaini looked good to me, not great but a decent debut. As for Castillo, i think he was the worst player on the pitch for the first 45.
Always running in the way of teammates, passing astray, positioning horrendous. He actually sat 1 meter ahead of Jagielka for the whole half.
I was seriously wondering if we?d picked up the second cousin of George Weah for a while.
Fair enough he seemed more to grips in the second half.
Always running in the way of teammates, passing astray, positioning horrendous. He actually sat 1 meter ahead of Jagielka for the whole half.
I was seriously wondering if we?d picked up the second cousin of George Weah for a while.
Fair enough he seemed more to grips in the second half.
I must be the only one who thought Castillo played pretty poorly. Not going to hold it against him given his midweek endeavours, but definitely an average performance at best.
Fellaini looked eager to be involved which is encouraging, although a blind man and his dog would be able to tell that he met his teammates for the first time onboard the coach on the way to the match, and he did seem to go missing in the 2nd half, but again impossible to hold that against him.
Given time to settle in over the next couple of matches and they will doubtlessly come on leaps and bounds.
Oh yeah, TC - like a new signing! Awesome! ;-)
Fellaini looked eager to be involved which is encouraging, although a blind man and his dog would be able to tell that he met his teammates for the first time onboard the coach on the way to the match, and he did seem to go missing in the 2nd half, but again impossible to hold that against him.
Given time to settle in over the next couple of matches and they will doubtlessly come on leaps and bounds.
Oh yeah, TC - like a new signing! Awesome! ;-)
Speaking of "like a new signing "...
Nice to see that ginger haired lad get sent to the stands....
Seemed to me that Mr. Moyes is starting to return to his intense emotional form. A turning point in today’s match for me !
COYB !
Nice to see that ginger haired lad get sent to the stands....
Seemed to me that Mr. Moyes is starting to return to his intense emotional form. A turning point in today’s match for me !
COYB !
Fellaini I thought played well!
Pressure, and positioning, and first game with everyone’s eyes on him.
He stood out, he headed out, he performed!
Good on him.
Segundo was great also. :)
Pressure, and positioning, and first game with everyone’s eyes on him.
He stood out, he headed out, he performed!
Good on him.
Segundo was great also. :)
I agree with Rob, I felt Castillo gave the ball away very easily and I noticed that he shirked one or two tackles that Carsley would have went for. However he, along with Fellaini played some nice one touch stuff.
Fellaini provided that aerial strength we definitely needed. He was involved in the first goal and was up and down.
Overall I would say things look positive, especially with pienaar ans cahill coming back.
For me Big Vic was man of the match, he was played out of position, scored a goal and defended very well.
Fellaini provided that aerial strength we definitely needed. He was involved in the first goal and was up and down.
Overall I would say things look positive, especially with pienaar ans cahill coming back.
For me Big Vic was man of the match, he was played out of position, scored a goal and defended very well.
I thought both new lads looked good.Fellaini looked top class at times and very poor at times.I think he needs to muscle up a wee bit tho, but still he sould turn out to be a first rate buy.
Castillo did well.Looked dependable and very much suited to the Carsley role.I thought his passing was poor but thats just me being hyper-critical.
Cahill=ABSOLUTE LEGEND.
Having him fit will be the best signing of the lot.
Hull next (After Leige of course) ...Bring on Barmby the Judas scum and lets fucking ave em!!!
COYB
Castillo did well.Looked dependable and very much suited to the Carsley role.I thought his passing was poor but thats just me being hyper-critical.
Cahill=ABSOLUTE LEGEND.
Having him fit will be the best signing of the lot.
Hull next (After Leige of course) ...Bring on Barmby the Judas scum and lets fucking ave em!!!
COYB
Castillo will be better than Cars, nice debut from him in a tough physical game.
Fellaini, whilst showing some promise at times, generally looked well off the pace and needs to pick up the pace of the game. At worst, despite his size, he looked lost like a gangly teenager amongst men. His abject second half performance where he seemed unable to retain possession mad him worse than a passenger at times. He needs to improve A LOT, but I’m confident he will with a week’s football training with team mates and and getting to know the better and settling in.
Overall: What a game...massive sigh of relief at the end! Stoke will shock loads of teams at home...they made Wimbledon look like brazil circa 1970 (OTT perhaps but you know what I mean anyway. Those long throws all day and numerous corners at death FFS...brown trouser time!)
Fellaini, whilst showing some promise at times, generally looked well off the pace and needs to pick up the pace of the game. At worst, despite his size, he looked lost like a gangly teenager amongst men. His abject second half performance where he seemed unable to retain possession mad him worse than a passenger at times. He needs to improve A LOT, but I’m confident he will with a week’s football training with team mates and and getting to know the better and settling in.
Overall: What a game...massive sigh of relief at the end! Stoke will shock loads of teams at home...they made Wimbledon look like brazil circa 1970 (OTT perhaps but you know what I mean anyway. Those long throws all day and numerous corners at death FFS...brown trouser time!)
Thank fook for that. Stoke are one bastard of a team to play against. They’re going to take some beating at the Britiannia.
Thoughts on new signings;
Castillo- neat and tidy, (to me atleast) to know that there in one natural DM out on the field.
Fellaini- Showed some nice touches, but still to adapt to the premiership-more so than Castillo. Passing was wayward at times and decision making was a bit suspect. Not sure whether that was down to playing a more "advanced" role than he is normally use to but I’m hopeful he will settle in time.
However, on a side note did anyone else think Victor Anichebe’s overall game has improved since returning back from olympic duty with Nigeria. His hold up play was good and his pace and direct running was complemented with "generally" good ball control.
Thoughts on new signings;
Castillo- neat and tidy, (to me atleast) to know that there in one natural DM out on the field.
Fellaini- Showed some nice touches, but still to adapt to the premiership-more so than Castillo. Passing was wayward at times and decision making was a bit suspect. Not sure whether that was down to playing a more "advanced" role than he is normally use to but I’m hopeful he will settle in time.
However, on a side note did anyone else think Victor Anichebe’s overall game has improved since returning back from olympic duty with Nigeria. His hold up play was good and his pace and direct running was complemented with "generally" good ball control.
I’m surprised nobody’s mentioned the obvious push on Jag that put him off balance hence heading into his own net. Should not have been given and, had we had the penalty, could have been a lot worse for Stoke. Pointless to talk about the new signings - give them a bit of time to settle in and then we can make judgments.
Two good results against newly promoted teams - they often start at a gallop and then begin fizzling out later - not great for Everton to get them all scheduled near the beginning of the season.
Two good results against newly promoted teams - they often start at a gallop and then begin fizzling out later - not great for Everton to get them all scheduled near the beginning of the season.
Thought Castillo made more of an impression that Felliani did today, although thats not to say that Maro was poor. I though they both contributed well on their debuts. Will definately improve over time.
I suspect you're right David.
Castillo had a role he was used to and was obviously told to hold back, break play down and distribute wide. Meat and gravy for a DM.
Felliani seemed to be playing higher up, taking the game to Yakubu and Cahill. A much tougher assignment in my opinion.
If Moyes had assigned Felliani the holding role, I think we would be criticising Castillo for looking a little lost at times..
You ?re right, big Vic looked good out there, especially in the final twenty minutes or so when the game was starting to stretch out.
Not sure if he?s got the concentration for a full game on the wing though.
Castillo had a role he was used to and was obviously told to hold back, break play down and distribute wide. Meat and gravy for a DM.
Felliani seemed to be playing higher up, taking the game to Yakubu and Cahill. A much tougher assignment in my opinion.
If Moyes had assigned Felliani the holding role, I think we would be criticising Castillo for looking a little lost at times..
You ?re right, big Vic looked good out there, especially in the final twenty minutes or so when the game was starting to stretch out.
Not sure if he?s got the concentration for a full game on the wing though.
Very happy for the lads, 6-pointer! COYB
It's gonna be interesting to see how quick ref?s are going to be to blow for a foul on the keeper/defender trying to clear the ball from Delap's throws when Stoke are playing the Sky 4, especially away from the Brittania. The back 4 from today will stand us in good stead as per last year when we are playing less direct teams. The 2 new boys look as though they want to play the ball on the floor, which can only bring us on as a footballing team. If both of them are getting a game every week then it?s gonna be back to playing 4-5-1 now Cahill's back to match fitness. I'd say the first choice team when Peanuts is back fit is gonna be
Howard
Neville
Yobo
Jags
Lescott
Peanuts
Arteta
Castillo
Fellaini
Cahill
Yak.
Howard
Neville
Yobo
Jags
Lescott
Peanuts
Arteta
Castillo
Fellaini
Cahill
Yak.
My views of the two new guys from todays display are as follows........... for me, I thought Castillo had a great debut. He looked very much of the Makelele mould, breaking up the play very well and in my opinion his passing was very good too. He made 2 obvious poor passes all game from what I saw, so maybe some people just remember those ?
As for Fellaini, I was quite impressed with him in the first half and showed that he could really be a valuable player with time. But I have to say I felt as though he went missing in the second half, and when he did get involved he gave the ball away and looked a little soft at times. However he showed some good signs and he will undoubtedely get better and better as he settles.
To sum this one up, pleasing debuts, but for me Castillo made the better start and both will get better.
As for the rest of the team, Arteta continues to make me smile with his moments of brilliance, Jags looked back at home, and Lescott on the left just seems to work for us better. Cahill is just a legend, the script was written for him before kick off, Anichebe was brilliant on the right and possibly MOM, while Yakubu gives us another great finish.
Only real dissappointment was the shocking performance of the Ref and his Officials who infuriated me during the match, and also that flaming Rory ’I have a long long long long throw’ Delap. The sight of the constant attempt to throw the ball in the back of the net was really annoying, but it is a deadly weapon for Stoke, and as much as it was winding me up, you cannot blame them for using it.
Relieved to get the win, and hopefully we can now push on from here !!
As for Fellaini, I was quite impressed with him in the first half and showed that he could really be a valuable player with time. But I have to say I felt as though he went missing in the second half, and when he did get involved he gave the ball away and looked a little soft at times. However he showed some good signs and he will undoubtedely get better and better as he settles.
To sum this one up, pleasing debuts, but for me Castillo made the better start and both will get better.
As for the rest of the team, Arteta continues to make me smile with his moments of brilliance, Jags looked back at home, and Lescott on the left just seems to work for us better. Cahill is just a legend, the script was written for him before kick off, Anichebe was brilliant on the right and possibly MOM, while Yakubu gives us another great finish.
Only real dissappointment was the shocking performance of the Ref and his Officials who infuriated me during the match, and also that flaming Rory ’I have a long long long long throw’ Delap. The sight of the constant attempt to throw the ball in the back of the net was really annoying, but it is a deadly weapon for Stoke, and as much as it was winding me up, you cannot blame them for using it.
Relieved to get the win, and hopefully we can now push on from here !!
Thought the new lads looked pretty good, Castillo was better, although his long range passing was poor. Fellaini was decent first half but anonymous second half.
Reckon they’ll bot improve when they can speak Emglish!!
P.s. Anyone think we swapped Big Vic with Obinna!!lol Never thought Id see Big Vic on the wing!!
Reckon they’ll bot improve when they can speak Emglish!!
P.s. Anyone think we swapped Big Vic with Obinna!!lol Never thought Id see Big Vic on the wing!!
Two words why we won today: TIM CAHILL
I’m glad I watched the game today so I could make my own judgement cos how can so many people on here give such different views on Castillo and Fellaini - some say they were ace, others wank. All I can say is I thought they were both better than Rodwell and Jags in the MF over the last 3 games
I thought Fellaini had an ok game but I think after a season, David Moyes will make him a better player. Castillo needs time too... Tim Cahill ? massive goal. Some of our team played well under par and it's not good enough. And also how long is Ossie out for?
Promising debuts from both in a very hard game to play in, they’ve probably never played in a game like that before, I’ve actually never seen a game like that to before. Stoke has a unique style, the new Wimbledon?
What I would say is without them we would have been dominated, if we’d have had Carsley, Pienaar and Osman in there it would have been 5-3 to them. Castillo and Fellaini gave us alot of presence today as did the likes of Anichebe, Cahill, Yakubu, Yobo, Lescott and Jagielka.
The more options we have the better, Castillo and Fellaini power aswell as Pienaar and Osman technique and creative abilities.
What I would say is without them we would have been dominated, if we’d have had Carsley, Pienaar and Osman in there it would have been 5-3 to them. Castillo and Fellaini gave us alot of presence today as did the likes of Anichebe, Cahill, Yakubu, Yobo, Lescott and Jagielka.
The more options we have the better, Castillo and Fellaini power aswell as Pienaar and Osman technique and creative abilities.
I thought Fellaini gave the ball away to often and was out muscles, I fear we have paid well over the odds for an average player at best, would much rather have seen Fernandes signed.
Castillo looked very assured after a slow start and would fit into the Carsley role with Ease.
Castillo looked very assured after a slow start and would fit into the Carsley role with Ease.
The problem for Moyes, is that when Osman and Pienaar are back, who gets the nod out of Fellaini and Castillo. It was obvious that putting both in today, was forced on Moyes, because of injuries and the physical side of Stoke. As has been mentioned,they are to similiar to play in the middle togethor. I thought Castillo looked the better all - round player today. You would imagine Castillo will play against Liege, so if he has a good game on Thursday, and the injured lads are back for the Hull game, who gets the nod, the loan player, or the £15m player?
Can’t wait to see a fully fit Saha/Pienaar in the frame.
Can’t believe people are criticising Fellaini and Castillo already. FFS - give them a chance!!!
Just for perspective, does anyone remember Arteta’s first couple of games?
I remember him giving the ball away a lot, especially in a very early (debut) game against West Brom.
Can’t remember when he last gave it away now though...
Fellaini will be top class.
I remember him giving the ball away a lot, especially in a very early (debut) game against West Brom.
Can’t remember when he last gave it away now though...
Fellaini will be top class.
The critisism is laughable to be honest, deluded fans and negative bastards.
Fellaini is 20 years old and he’s completely different to Fernandes. I rate Fernandes highly but someone like Castillo and Fellaini where much more suited to this game.
Give him a chance, there’s no doubting we payed over the odds but he still is a good player with alot of development. He’ll improve alot with us, I guarantee that.
They both have the potential to be good additions here.
Fellaini is 20 years old and he’s completely different to Fernandes. I rate Fernandes highly but someone like Castillo and Fellaini where much more suited to this game.
Give him a chance, there’s no doubting we payed over the odds but he still is a good player with alot of development. He’ll improve alot with us, I guarantee that.
They both have the potential to be good additions here.
I totally agree with Stephen Parris Castillo is our new Makelele. Fellaini looked out of sorts, however some good passes and I am hopeful in the next few games we will start to see why we paid that kind of money for him. Cahill is undoubtabally the king! Yak, Yobo and Vik were outstanding. Add to that Saha and Peanuts and we have one hell of a team.
Vital win huge 3 points today, yet again though we have an example of how the big 4 get away with murder. How can Moyes be sent off for pointing out that the ref can?t do his job (await fine and pathetic FA intervention) yet fat frank can sound off that he wants terry’s red card reversed? it was a sending off, belt up. We will never see tv footage to change decisions, why? Because it will embarrass the FA when 50 odd decisions are proved hopelessly incorrect on a regular basis
I thought screech played well its not easy to turn our hand from acting to being a premership footballer.
Give the lad a chance, Cars was no great shakes on his debut but after 4/5 years he leaves us a legend and hard to replace.
Tough game today and we stood up COYB!!!!!!
Give the lad a chance, Cars was no great shakes on his debut but after 4/5 years he leaves us a legend and hard to replace.
Tough game today and we stood up COYB!!!!!!
I’ll make a prediction. Fellaini is Moyes’ latest Kroldrup! And a bit more costly too!
Amazing the varying assessments from people who were all watching the same game!
My 2 pence worth as follows:
Felliani did well in the first half but drifted out of the game in the second.
Castillo was very poor in the first half but came into it in the second.
Both don?t speak English, both have never played in the Premier League before, both only met their teammates on Friday, both are playing after a tough international schedule. Based on this I think they both did very well.
Fellaini will be a class act and Castillo will be a solid holding midfielder..... 2 good signings, well done again Mr Moyes.
That?s my opinion for what it?s worth..
My 2 pence worth as follows:
Felliani did well in the first half but drifted out of the game in the second.
Castillo was very poor in the first half but came into it in the second.
Both don?t speak English, both have never played in the Premier League before, both only met their teammates on Friday, both are playing after a tough international schedule. Based on this I think they both did very well.
Fellaini will be a class act and Castillo will be a solid holding midfielder..... 2 good signings, well done again Mr Moyes.
That?s my opinion for what it?s worth..
I have an idea, why don’t we reserve judgment on them until they’ve played more than one game? They’ve come straight into the team from the Belgian and Serbian leagues against a team that are a throwback to the bad old days of long-ball shite that most English clubs used to serve up. Considering all that they did ok, if nothing else it was a good introduction to the physical side of the prem. I reckon they’ll play a lot better against teams who try to play football.
I remember Vieira looking decidedly average at best when he came to the Prem. The new guys need time to adjust to the pace of the league and also to their teammates and get a position established. I thought both did their job today in what must have been a very difficult game for them to come into. Cahill?s return was most unexpected and a delight. The Yak played well too.
We just need to sort out the defence! How frustrating that a defence that was so good suddenly looks so suspect. I felt sorry for Baines today as I thought he was the best of our team against Pompey, but Moyes was always likely to change it to add more height to the back line today to guard against the long throws ? which sadly didn?t work once. As for their first goal, someone should have been picking up their guy. Once the midfield gets more settled I think we?ll see more structure and picking up to give the defence the shield it had last season.
P.S. How annoying that they should doubt the disallowed goal today. Yobo was clearly tripped when it seemed the commentary team were looking at the upper half to say "outmuscled" - it was quite clearly a trip. Also, I?ve barely calmed down after that ridiculous decision not to give the penalty.
I thought Arteta worked his bollocks off today and gave us that touch of class, mom for me. However, we won because of Cahill, you have to love him.
Interesting you should mention being outmuscled. The one thing that stuck out today is the fact we had real physical presence/height about us. With Fellaini and Castillo in the engine room it’s not going to be possible to brush us off the ball as easily as it used to be. The passing will come good once these guys settle in. More optimistic especially with Saha and Pienaar to come. I suppose the last thing I’d say is give Cahill the captain’s armband. We need someone vocal to really drive us on at times and lead by example. Neville just doesn’t do that but don’t get me going on him! (at least I saw a few of his passes reach fellow players today!)
I wouldn’t say he got outmuscled, he just refused to jump a few times. He lost some headers because of it. He won his fair share though, he won the header resulting in the goals scored by Yakubu.
Neville did well today to be honest, I’m not a fan but he kept it simple today and supported Vic well going forward.
Neville did well today to be honest, I’m not a fan but he kept it simple today and supported Vic well going forward.
re: Alex Taylor, I agree that we won’t see Anichebe be converted to a fully fledged winger but nonethelesss heartening to see that the guy has developed his game over the summer months.
As for Fellaini could somebody enlighten me on his prefered/best position; Is it as a holding midfielder, a box-to-box or a mobile DM?
Today saw him play a very central role, will this be his position or as somebody else mentioned already will he be competing with Castillo for the DM slot?
Personally, I think our best player in that CM role at present (ahead of DM but behind AM) is Osman....Fernandes was also very good if not better in that position, but unfortunately he’s not an everton player.
I’m not having a go at Fellaini, he has huge potential and could develop into a superb player, I just think its interesting what conumdrums his in inclusion in the starting 11 throws up.
As for Fellaini could somebody enlighten me on his prefered/best position; Is it as a holding midfielder, a box-to-box or a mobile DM?
Today saw him play a very central role, will this be his position or as somebody else mentioned already will he be competing with Castillo for the DM slot?
Personally, I think our best player in that CM role at present (ahead of DM but behind AM) is Osman....Fernandes was also very good if not better in that position, but unfortunately he’s not an everton player.
I’m not having a go at Fellaini, he has huge potential and could develop into a superb player, I just think its interesting what conumdrums his in inclusion in the starting 11 throws up.
Difficult game for both newcomers to come into, for all the obvious reasons, so unfair to judge them on one game. However... first impressions: Castillo looked lost out their on many occasions but should be commended for keeping it neat and tidy. Fellaini, didn't look like a £15 million pound player today. I can understand his hesitancy, but I was expecting to see a better first touch and a change of gear when he had the ball at his feet with space ahead of him. Early days though, and both are better than no-one!
Connor,
Always looking forward to reading your posts, mate (amongst other fellow Evertonians of course)... But what a brilliant football mind! I just wish Davey read some of those.
Would not mind a comparative analysis of those two some time if you could muster up the time, please!!! Be a good read for us who cannot be on spot always. Admit to having looked up your posts during transfer build up. Keep?em coming.
Here is to hoping Davey will not let Castillo slip through as did Fernandes.
Worry about some of you guys.
I thought Felliani did well! He looks composed on the ball and had lots of time. Lots went through him in the first half especially as he linked midfield and the forward line.
20 years old at a new club with massive expectations of him and all against a very awkward and physical side.
Boy did well and think he will improve us.
But....yes £15m is still a lot of money!
I thought Felliani did well! He looks composed on the ball and had lots of time. Lots went through him in the first half especially as he linked midfield and the forward line.
20 years old at a new club with massive expectations of him and all against a very awkward and physical side.
Boy did well and think he will improve us.
But....yes £15m is still a lot of money!
I suspect that Fellaini didn?t expect it to be so physical. He was apparently one of the most booked men in the Belgian league last season, he says, without legitimate cause. So to play the cloggers of Stoke would have been a wake-up call for him, he was out-muscled a few times but I hope he will settle down and start pushing back without fear of getting booked.
Time will tell.
What I liked about the two newbies was that they wanted to pass it not hoof it.
Time will tell.
What I liked about the two newbies was that they wanted to pass it not hoof it.
Ah... Tony, now that would explain the scowl on Davey’s face! You can be fairly sure he’ll be coaching that nonsense out of them in the next few...
Ironically, this WAS one game were hoofball (instead of giving away throws in our half) would’ve actually helped!
Ironically, this WAS one game were hoofball (instead of giving away throws in our half) would’ve actually helped!
I think the two guys played well considering they both only arrived to train with the squad on thursday/friday. I was just pleased that they both wanted to pass the ball on the floor, where they both played in some nice one touch stuff. I do agree with everyone about Anichebe... especially second half, he was awesome. I reckon the Olympics might have done him some good. I just can’t wait for a fully fit Saha as well... imagine the team we’ll be then.
Trust me, Liverpool are gonna find it hard against us next weekend.. COYB!
Trust me, Liverpool are gonna find it hard against us next weekend.. COYB!
I don't understand some of the negative comments towards the two debutants today, you have to realise that considering they both dont speak English very well, if at all, Fellaini arrived Thursday, Castillo Friday so they haven?t had much time to train properly with the rest of the squad. To be thrown straight in against a side like Stoke, which if we're honest they probably haven?t faced opposition like it ever in their careers, and add to that the pace of our league as well, it's gonna take more than one game for them to start showing us what there really about.
But on today's performance, the signs are encouraging, well I thought so anyway! From what I saw of Fellaini in the two CL ties vs Liverpool he looked a very capable midfielder and he will show that type of form for us sooner rather than later! As for Castillo he will fill the Carsley role very well I think, he showed enough for me today that his distribution of the ball is a hell lot better than what Carsley?s was. Okay 1 or 2 passes went astray but majority of them were good and if he can break up the play and protect the back four as well as Carsley could, which I'm pretty sure he can, then we've signed a decent player in him! But let's give them time to settle in 1st, get to know the other players and see how they get on from there!!
Ben, they will find it fucking impossible mate, aren’t we playing Hull away. lol
Great win today - defo brown trousers time near the end!
With respect to an earlier post about Fellaini being the next Krøldrup... as a player who says he got booked unfairly a lot, and plays DM, I think we?ve maybe got another Dacourt! And, he doesn?t look too dissimilar to a certain Monsignor Materrazzi - cue a flurry of red cards. We?ve gone back to Wally Smith?s days almost ;-)
With respect to an earlier post about Fellaini being the next Krøldrup... as a player who says he got booked unfairly a lot, and plays DM, I think we?ve maybe got another Dacourt! And, he doesn?t look too dissimilar to a certain Monsignor Materrazzi - cue a flurry of red cards. We?ve gone back to Wally Smith?s days almost ;-)
Seriously though, great win today. Once Fellaini and Castillo get more integrated they?ll be a bit less of the going missing/headless chicken performance* (delete as appropriate) seen on occasion today by those two. Welcome to the war lads!
I was very impressed with Castillo today!!! Thought he looked like a Makelele type player recieving the ball off the defence and playing it easy!! He was involved and isn't afraid to pass the ball ? unlike Carsleys hoofball style ? hence a few lost balls which have been scrutinised. Personally I'd much prefer a player to try and keep the ball risking lost possesion than launching it, a la Neville.
Tim Laynge, thanks for the nice comments, I appreciate it.
I’d like to see more of Castillo and Fellaini before I give my full opinions of them, it’ll be very interesting watching both.
I think they both showed promise today though, Castillo more than Fellaini but he is the more experienced of the two. People forget that this is only Fellaini’s third season in his proffessional career. He’s still potential, a rough diamond.
One thing I will say about Castillo is he supports his back four really well, he has good movement off the ball and was always giving them a short option. Carsley never did that and it will no doubt improve our distribition from the back.
I’d like to see more of Castillo and Fellaini before I give my full opinions of them, it’ll be very interesting watching both.
I think they both showed promise today though, Castillo more than Fellaini but he is the more experienced of the two. People forget that this is only Fellaini’s third season in his proffessional career. He’s still potential, a rough diamond.
One thing I will say about Castillo is he supports his back four really well, he has good movement off the ball and was always giving them a short option. Carsley never did that and it will no doubt improve our distribition from the back.
To early to judge either player especially from a game such as this one... Having said that, £15M is hell of a lot for a club like Everton to be paying for a player of his type, we should be getting a ready made match-winner for that sort of money... I'm quite excited about having Peanuts and a fit Saha added to that line-up today though...
I thought today that Castillo was the better of the two.
Neither were particularly outstanding in the first half if we were honest but I think the potential was definitely evident.
I have no doubt at all that both will get better in time, as they get to know the lads, learn and understand their roles within the team and learning english will only help.
I though that Fellaini had the better first half although clumsy at times. He seemed to eager to impress and lets not kid ourselves, the Prem is a far cry from the belgium league and there wont be many teams that go to Stoke this season and win. Its hard to play football because they are not interested in doing so. They want to launch it into the box as quick as possible and by any means available. It was a tough place to start and he will get better in time, trust me. When he played those 2 games against the shite, i was in awe of him, he was immense and Gerrard could not get near him. This is because he was familiar with his team, his team mates, the style of play and his role within the 11. I have no doubt that he will be the same for us very soon.
As for Castillo, I thought the first half was sloppy and he looked of the pace but the second half was totally different. He adjusted and looked the part. He did not try too much and simply won the ball and moved it on. Thats what he is there for and he performed that role a treat, for me.
He is physically fitter than Cars and looks more powerful. If you ignore the attempted 40yrd balls, he was outstanding the second half.
Again, I have no doubt at all that within time, when he learns the language, learns his role, our style of play and has enjoyed the banter within the team, he will be a great buy and will be in the first 11 most weeks.
I don’t remember Carsley performing like that on his debut. To go to stoke and contribute the way he did, despite he ball being in Delap’s hands, ready for launch for most of the fucking game, deserves praise. I liked the look of him. He’s and athlete and puts himself about and once he has the ball, he uses it well.
I fully expect him to get better with time and it wouldnt suprise me if he was purchased come May.
GOOD TO HAVE CAHILL BACK. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
Neither were particularly outstanding in the first half if we were honest but I think the potential was definitely evident.
I have no doubt at all that both will get better in time, as they get to know the lads, learn and understand their roles within the team and learning english will only help.
I though that Fellaini had the better first half although clumsy at times. He seemed to eager to impress and lets not kid ourselves, the Prem is a far cry from the belgium league and there wont be many teams that go to Stoke this season and win. Its hard to play football because they are not interested in doing so. They want to launch it into the box as quick as possible and by any means available. It was a tough place to start and he will get better in time, trust me. When he played those 2 games against the shite, i was in awe of him, he was immense and Gerrard could not get near him. This is because he was familiar with his team, his team mates, the style of play and his role within the 11. I have no doubt that he will be the same for us very soon.
As for Castillo, I thought the first half was sloppy and he looked of the pace but the second half was totally different. He adjusted and looked the part. He did not try too much and simply won the ball and moved it on. Thats what he is there for and he performed that role a treat, for me.
He is physically fitter than Cars and looks more powerful. If you ignore the attempted 40yrd balls, he was outstanding the second half.
Again, I have no doubt at all that within time, when he learns the language, learns his role, our style of play and has enjoyed the banter within the team, he will be a great buy and will be in the first 11 most weeks.
I don’t remember Carsley performing like that on his debut. To go to stoke and contribute the way he did, despite he ball being in Delap’s hands, ready for launch for most of the fucking game, deserves praise. I liked the look of him. He’s and athlete and puts himself about and once he has the ball, he uses it well.
I fully expect him to get better with time and it wouldnt suprise me if he was purchased come May.
GOOD TO HAVE CAHILL BACK. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
Christ... Tony.. you’re right... I got my bearings a bit wrong there mate.. 2 weeks then!
I agree with Connors assessment of Castillo in that he ran square to the touchline alot to offer himself. Carsely did this only on occasion. This meant for me that Neville was able against Stoke to play an easy ball and improve his completion rate. My doubt about Castillo is his reluctance to pass long as I feel he knows this is a weakness in his game. He also doesnt like passing in front of a player and will wait to pass to feet. A worry for me!
However, he is mobile and did get about and protect the back four. He will improve this as he did get caught on the wrong side a few times.
Fellaini is young and his first game. He didnt really put in many hard tackles and his heading was a bit weak at times. I put this down to finding out about the physical parameters of the English game. Both he and Catillio are no strangers to the yellow card so perhaps they were feeling their way about a bit. I wouldn’t want to get sent off on my expensive debut - especially with Moyes breathing fire in the away end!
However, he is mobile and did get about and protect the back four. He will improve this as he did get caught on the wrong side a few times.
Fellaini is young and his first game. He didnt really put in many hard tackles and his heading was a bit weak at times. I put this down to finding out about the physical parameters of the English game. Both he and Catillio are no strangers to the yellow card so perhaps they were feeling their way about a bit. I wouldn’t want to get sent off on my expensive debut - especially with Moyes breathing fire in the away end!
I thought both Fellaini and Castillo played well considering they’ve only had day(s) to meet, let alone train, with the rest of the lads.
Fellaini’s height is a welcome addition and he looks technically adept. He’s still a young lad and I don’t think we need to worry about him being out-muscled. In fact I think we’ll be soon be worried about his spiralling yellow/red card count.
Castillo seems to be an astute signing. He looks more comfortable with the ball than Carsley, and if he can develop the latter’s defensive qualities we’ll have a fine player indeed.
Still, its early days, although thank the heavens Jagielka no longer has to play centre-mid.
Fellaini’s height is a welcome addition and he looks technically adept. He’s still a young lad and I don’t think we need to worry about him being out-muscled. In fact I think we’ll be soon be worried about his spiralling yellow/red card count.
Castillo seems to be an astute signing. He looks more comfortable with the ball than Carsley, and if he can develop the latter’s defensive qualities we’ll have a fine player indeed.
Still, its early days, although thank the heavens Jagielka no longer has to play centre-mid.
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This boy is never going to be outstanding..hes a defensive midfeielder FFS