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Moyes - the passion's back?
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All-in-all, I was pleased with the team's efforts today. Unlike Derby last year, who were awful, Stoke are no pushovers at the Britannia. I don't like the long throw tactic but you can't argue with its legitimacy. This was 3 points won in an hostile environment and a few more teams will come a cropper there before the season's end.
As pleasing as the result, was Moyes's obvious passion for the win ? the man who ran to the away end at the end of the game didn't look like a man who was going anywhere soon. Also, did anyone else notice the tug'o'ball between Arteta and Yak when Everton were awarded the penalty that wasn't? Not sure that was entirely amicable!
Ray Robinson, Posted 14/09/2008 at 19:37:34
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I agree the first half was terrible but I think that we were quite solid at the back, apart from the throw-ins. But I wouldn?t say we fell for the throw-in tactic. Is there a lot than can be done? It?s a bit like Hinchcliffe?s corners in ?95 ? very difficult to deal with. In saying all that, I?m not confident ahead of Thursday night.
Tony I really do admire the fact that you call things as you see them and during the course of the year you will have numerous points that make absolute sense, but the problem I have is that you always look at things from a negative perspective. You will probably argue that it is a realistic perspective but I would also argue with that.
You commented upon the first half being a non-event. This is regular in all levels of football. Top international teams, champions league finals, matches between the sky 4 have all had ?non-events?. It?s not exclusive to EFC.
Also, the commentators commented all day about the sustained periods of controlled possession we had.
And, the new guys are likely to improve by this very accurate 60% you?ve quoted, as one thing I?ve noticed as a believer in Moyes is that he generally improves players from what they were to what they are now (Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Yak etc) and relatively quickly too.
And one last thing, of course we wouldn?t have been as cheerful without Cahill?s goal. There is a fine line between ecstasy and misery. Just ask John Terry about last season?s Champions League Final.
You commented upon the first half being a non-event. This is regular in all levels of football. Top international teams, champions league finals, matches between the sky 4 have all had ?non-events?. It?s not exclusive to EFC.
Also, the commentators commented all day about the sustained periods of controlled possession we had.
And, the new guys are likely to improve by this very accurate 60% you?ve quoted, as one thing I?ve noticed as a believer in Moyes is that he generally improves players from what they were to what they are now (Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Yak etc) and relatively quickly too.
And one last thing, of course we wouldn?t have been as cheerful without Cahill?s goal. There is a fine line between ecstasy and misery. Just ask John Terry about last season?s Champions League Final.
Times are changing I think and we seem more confident.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Everton of old would have took the 1-0 lead at half time and shut up shop during the second to complete the famous 1-0 win or be pegged back to a 1-1 draw. Fair play to Moyes and the team to have the courage to crack on and attempt to stretch the lead. In poor form and away against a very tough physical side I would have forgave them if they didn?t.
I have to admit, it was a tense nail-biting experience but would you prefer to close up shop for 1-0 wins or try for the second? I only hope we do the same against the so-called top 4!
Come on you blues!
There is no doubt in my mind that the Everton of old would have took the 1-0 lead at half time and shut up shop during the second to complete the famous 1-0 win or be pegged back to a 1-1 draw. Fair play to Moyes and the team to have the courage to crack on and attempt to stretch the lead. In poor form and away against a very tough physical side I would have forgave them if they didn?t.
I have to admit, it was a tense nail-biting experience but would you prefer to close up shop for 1-0 wins or try for the second? I only hope we do the same against the so-called top 4!
Come on you blues!
Actually we had a decent game based on our performances so far we passed the ball, retained possession without being really dangerous up front, there were also occasional aimless hoof balls but it was considerably less than the last 3 games with Jack and Jag in the middle.
I am more worried about our defence which has shipped 9 goals already 2.25 on average?!? I hope DM sort it out asap.
I am more worried about our defence which has shipped 9 goals already 2.25 on average?!? I hope DM sort it out asap.
Tony Marsh: "If Cahill hadn’t saved us at the death with a cracking finish would we all be as cheerfull as we are now? I doubt it."
But he did, Tony, and that’s the point. If Rideout hadn’t scored in 1995, we wouldn’t have won the FA Cup. If Geoff Hurst hadn’t scored a hat-trick in 1966, England wouldn’t have won the World Cup. Big deal!
But he did, Tony, and that’s the point. If Rideout hadn’t scored in 1995, we wouldn’t have won the FA Cup. If Geoff Hurst hadn’t scored a hat-trick in 1966, England wouldn’t have won the World Cup. Big deal!
Using the Marsh-equation "If Cahill Hadn’t..."
If Blackburn hadn’t scored in the last minute against us, if Defoe was injured and Yak had scored the pen against Portsmouth then we would have at least 8 points now and be sitting in a Champions League spot.
If you ever said anything positive about Everton a lot of people would be off work the next day with sudden injuries caused by falling off their chairs...
If Blackburn hadn’t scored in the last minute against us, if Defoe was injured and Yak had scored the pen against Portsmouth then we would have at least 8 points now and be sitting in a Champions League spot.
If you ever said anything positive about Everton a lot of people would be off work the next day with sudden injuries caused by falling off their chairs...
For the first time ever today I was proud that David Moyes is our manager. In true Everton fashion, he stood up for what he believed in and didn't take shit from no-one. The way he ran to the away fans taking his top off in the process and beating his chest was amazing. Clearly it took a game like today to make him and others start to believe again.
Season starts here, boys....
Sign the Contract!!!!!
Season starts here, boys....
Sign the Contract!!!!!
Yeah lads, the passion may still be there, but why no contract signed yet?
And don’t come back with all the " he has a year left, so he’s in no hurry "
" He’s playing hardball, to get a better contract " We were told ages ago, that he was offered a good contract , and he was happy with it, and would sign it within days, that seems like an age ago now. I’m just waiting for Ross to come out with some shite along the lines of " Davey is going to sign the new contract, but is just concentrating on the season for now " But we know that would be a load of bullshit, because the contract could have been signed pre - season. Maybe his passion is there for the players and fans, but maybe not for BK and Co.
And don’t come back with all the " he has a year left, so he’s in no hurry "
" He’s playing hardball, to get a better contract " We were told ages ago, that he was offered a good contract , and he was happy with it, and would sign it within days, that seems like an age ago now. I’m just waiting for Ross to come out with some shite along the lines of " Davey is going to sign the new contract, but is just concentrating on the season for now " But we know that would be a load of bullshit, because the contract could have been signed pre - season. Maybe his passion is there for the players and fans, but maybe not for BK and Co.
First of all, the new players can barely speak to each other let alone play together so lets Mr. Marsh calm down.
Tactically I?m afraid we were very poor today. Anichebe is dreadful and Castillo looked a mess, but again, he needs time to settle -- the EPL is a far cry from the Serbian league from which he came--
The team is dying for width and penetration... Peanuts anyone?
Oh and on an aside, Felliani better get his act together quickly or he is going to cost us some games with his rough play and costly yellow and red cards. He can say what he wants about Belgian referees but he needs to play a little cleaner and efficiently if he wants to become the next Viera... With that said, he does remind me of a stronger Fernandes the way he puts his foot through those passes. The boy will come good!!!
Tactically I?m afraid we were very poor today. Anichebe is dreadful and Castillo looked a mess, but again, he needs time to settle -- the EPL is a far cry from the Serbian league from which he came--
The team is dying for width and penetration... Peanuts anyone?
Oh and on an aside, Felliani better get his act together quickly or he is going to cost us some games with his rough play and costly yellow and red cards. He can say what he wants about Belgian referees but he needs to play a little cleaner and efficiently if he wants to become the next Viera... With that said, he does remind me of a stronger Fernandes the way he puts his foot through those passes. The boy will come good!!!
Lewis Abbott,
Have you watched Moyes against Ferguson in the game when Big Dunc scored.
Have you watched Moyes against Ferguson in the game when Big Dunc scored.
Strongly disagree with you about Anichebe. I?m by no means a fan and most of the time I don?t think he?s fit for the PL but yesterday I felt he done really well. He made some excellent strong runs down the wing, proving to be an outlet on many occasions and got on the score sheet. I think Moyes should coach him in this wide position as he?s clearly not gonna score enough goals as a striker.
Remember his goal against Nuremberg last season? From wide on the right.
Also Chris, give Fellaini a chance FFS!! He doesn?t even speak the language and therefore getting through to him what he needed to do would have been difficult never mind the fact that it was his first taste of this league against a bullish side.
Remember his goal against Nuremberg last season? From wide on the right.
Also Chris, give Fellaini a chance FFS!! He doesn?t even speak the language and therefore getting through to him what he needed to do would have been difficult never mind the fact that it was his first taste of this league against a bullish side.
And wouldn?t it be nice to see Liverpool come a cropper at the Britannia - now that I would enjoy. Unfortunately they are playing Stoke at home this week and I don?t think the Midlands team will stand a chance there....
Defensive frailties again though.... Tim Howard needs a kick up the arse and a lesson on how to catch a football. His nervousness seems to radiate through the back 4... come on son, sort it out.
Anyway now in the top half and looking forward to Thursday under the lights... COYB!
Anyway now in the top half and looking forward to Thursday under the lights... COYB!
Perhaps DM isn’t signing a contract because he thinks he’ll get offered a better one if the 6th richest man in the world takes over????
If his son was at the PSV game then he will have known about the interest for some time!
If his son was at the PSV game then he will have known about the interest for some time!
Maybe we would of had 12 points in the bag by now if that divvy Kenwright would of had made funds available a lot earlier to the manager.
The 2 home defeats were shocking
The 2 home defeats were shocking
Tony,
I agree that we were not very good today. Stating the bleeding obvious that we would have felt different had Cahill not scored ? but he did. Even though we weren?t great I always thought we?d win. Why were we not great? Two new midfielders, Cahill not fully fit, Vic playing out of position, etc. I said before the game that if we can scrape past Stoke and Hull then we might be okay. After that we will hopefully have players back (Pienaar, Cahill fitter), new players starting to settle and then we can push on and play better, etc.
Jay, the money was always there, we just had trouble with the other clubs, etc (so Moyes said anyway). Had we not had the injuries and deals had been agreed earlier I agree that we would have probably had 12 points. It?s frustrating. It really is. We also didn?t have the greatest of luck in the home games either. Oh well, we just have to be strong and try to push on now.
COYB
I agree that we were not very good today. Stating the bleeding obvious that we would have felt different had Cahill not scored ? but he did. Even though we weren?t great I always thought we?d win. Why were we not great? Two new midfielders, Cahill not fully fit, Vic playing out of position, etc. I said before the game that if we can scrape past Stoke and Hull then we might be okay. After that we will hopefully have players back (Pienaar, Cahill fitter), new players starting to settle and then we can push on and play better, etc.
Jay, the money was always there, we just had trouble with the other clubs, etc (so Moyes said anyway). Had we not had the injuries and deals had been agreed earlier I agree that we would have probably had 12 points. It?s frustrating. It really is. We also didn?t have the greatest of luck in the home games either. Oh well, we just have to be strong and try to push on now.
COYB
I thought it was hilarious when Moyes was shaking hands with the Stoke fans at the final whistle. We have every right to argue unfair decisions otherwise we’ll go back to being the pussies of previous seasons and just accept whatever is dished out to us. You don’t see the likes of Peter Reid, Andy Gray, Roy Keane accept crap from no-one. Leaders they all. This mean streak by Moyes and Arteta is what we need. Respect (with refs) works only if it’s mutual.
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The first half we were shocking and only a Yakubu goal saved the blushes. A none event if you ask me.
All the same old frailities are still there ie. Terrible ball retention, awful passing, dreadful defending at set pieces, and long balls booted anywhere. If Cahill hadn't saved us at the death with a cracking finish would we all be as cheerfull as we are now? I doubt it.
It's fantstic edge of the seat stuff if the result goes the right way but we were never comfortable in the game even at 2-0 up ? WHY is that? The football reeks of desperation and the new guys will have to come on at least 60% if we are to improve. Let's face it Stoke will be relegated this season and not many top sides will fall for that throw-in routine twice in one game will they?
All-in-all, a good win but the footy needs re-thinking...