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Reality of Expectation
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Before we kick a ball in this year's Uefa Cup, it seems pertinent to ask, "How far can we go?"
There's no doubt we had a great run last year, losing only one game and beating the eventual winners Zenit St Petersburg. But that's no guarantee we can produce anything like those results this season.
Through prevarication (his or the Board's?), David Moyes was extremely late getting getting his troops all mustered this time round ? and injuries have not helped his cause either. In fact, it is likely that only one 'new face' will make tonight`s line-up and several of the old brigade may be missing too.
At last Sunday's game at Stoke, several inveterate travellers told me they did not expect to be travelling widely in Europe this season as Moyes was likely to see domestic consolidation as his first priority. Certainly our uncertain start to the season will make hanging on to a top six spot extremely difficult, particularly as Villa seem to have 'bought better' in the summer. Having said that, I can't imagine we shall see Davey "doing a Megson" and easing us out of the global game to concentrate on matters nearer to home....
So can we, should we, go all-out for European glory? Or,as many would have it, focus the main effort on the Prem and national cups?
The fact that we face one of the teams relegated from the Champions League makes it 'a hard ask' but Personally I shall be crying in my beer if we don`t make it to the group stages. Am I expecting too much?
Martin Thompson, Posted 18/09/2008 at 11:10:53
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It was only a rumour, we are still tied on Kirkby proposal so don't expect anything until DK is solved one way or another.
BUT Standard will be a tough test, especially with our squad as it is.
Always believe though :)
I think e will miss Andy Johnson's pace and workrate in Europe this season. I was gutted to see him playing for Fulham.
I though that Johnson was a great squad/team player and we should have kept him.
I’d love us to have a great European campaign but the depth not the quality of our squad will impede our chances. Liege will be a formidable task.If we can beat them we could go a long way,with the right draws. I’d worry about our ability to keep it going in the PL if that were the case
And for godsake will the Anil/DK mob just let us talk about football for a bloody change-I honestly think some people are more interested in the politics than the game!
All it takes is a little luck. COYB...
Bayern Munich were the favourites last year....They didn’t win it!
Out here in Catalunya I have just checked that Justin.tv is streaming and 5?s coverage is all there so far for anyone else that?s on line.
It can be done you blues - I?m sure they?ll give it all they?ve got.
I?m sorry already, I?m going fucking nuts... won't get near a telly either so it's the old tranny for me ? is that gobshite Green still comentating?
COYB
you answered my question before I asked it
I’m watching a Sopcast of it now.
Someone start a thread and I can commentate for those who can’t watch.
Yobo coming up front.
He did it twice. Yellow card for him.
Drop the man for some games, he’s fucking up over and over....
Europe seems due to end before we begin...
One sec..
There’s a TVU but apparently offline.
A few media players, haven’t checked as my sopcast working.
Also two TV ants channels.
Only just saw the Standard goal then..
DAMN :(
On the other hand, why didn’t Neville stick to the man who actually scored?
Go on!
Haveta do with delayed feed, early voice.
Yak just scored..
Didn’t see who provided him though.
1-1
Some one else may need to commentate.
My feed aint good enough.
I’ll commentate on Sunday ;)
Every man in our back four is looking fuckin? shit. Liege have been dangerous on a number of occations as well.
And as I lament, 2-2 Castillo! Thunderball!
What a goal.
Wrong Net Yobo.
We must have 1st game jitters in UEFA.
You guys ahead of me :)
lol
Speak to you guys at half time :)
What the fuck were Howard and Yobo doing for the 2nd?? Why is Lescott so piss poor?? Jagielka = couldnt pass water.
Castillo looks a decent player, he may not be the best on the ball but he’s new to the country & team and the rest of his game looks pretty good to me - he covers ok, not a world beater but not an egg beater either.
Ossie looks out of shape, Anichebe playing well for once, Cahill looks off the pace and Arteta as usual cant beat the first man with his crosses.
6 our of 10, could do better.
2 away goals = I think we’re fucked cos they dont lose at home.
When we bother to pass the ball to midfield we look okay but the long punt to their massive CBs - Please ?????
Full on kick into the oppositions leg/foot.
Vaughan be on now.
Might be an idea to bring Baines on newayz.
I’ll be straight to bed after this then up for Doctors.
Let him go for the header.. don’t interfere.
LOL
Bye Bye UEFA-cup.
Shame.
Need all new defenders.
Shame.
Still, there?s always Hibbo to come back in.
Shame.
And WHY OH WHY do we let Arteta take the freekicks?!!!!!!!
Awful day at the office, but at least the game was exciting and hopefully converted a few neutrals.
Curry anyone? ;)
NEwayz.. Bed time.. 7am.. lol (9am for u)
Now what are you going on about Arteta? Ok, he hadn’t the best of games but have you forgotten about last Sunday already? Arteta: 2 ASSISTS. Good night.
Great goal, but he looked like the perfect new Cars.
Buen hecho Segundo!
However, our back line was shocking in the first half (and, although I thought he was great last season, Lescott kept that up defensively in the second). I have to say, I really don’t understand it. Ok, we’ve lost Cars, but the first goal.. Lescott’s not paying attention, the centre backs just standing there, Neville not following his man... Horrible! The second is unfortunate, although there should be enough communication back there to allow Yobo to let the ball pass. No-one in the danger area, just one man up ahead, and he is three-four yards behind Yobo. Horrible!
On a more positive note, we continue to create chances and score goals. And although Castillo still has a couple of shaky passes, he also shows skills Cars could only dream of.
Here’s hoping!
All came from a hoof up field from Jags. One of our 3 "world class" centre halves needs some bench time...
Play Baines and put some pressure on the 2 that aren?t dropped to perform. 8 goals conceded in 3 home games so far this season.
Thanks to Lee Howard for the link!
Damn, so close...
I think we are out of the UEFA Cup now but on the plus side Castillo looks good and I think he can hold down the midfield place and make it his own as time goes on. Osman looked off the pace as did Cahill which is to be expected. It makes me wonder why we didnt give Anthony Gardner a short term deal though. True his injury record is poor but I have to ask myself asides from Valente we dont have a single experienced defender to cover for any injury or loss of form which we are having with a few players now.
Poor defending.
Poor delivery on set pieces (Arteta was awful).
Ray of light in Castlllo?s performance. If we have an option to sign this guy on the cheap then we need to exercise it.
Howard - steady; can't be blamed for the goals.
Neville - Solid enough
Yobo - OG... what else can you say.
Jags - Best defender in the second half.
Lescot - Good going foward but totaly out of it in defence (drop him for Baines?)
Arteta - Too much weight on one man's shoulders and the opposition know it, we need another outlet.
Castillo - Great goal looked strong, promising addition to squad.
Osman - looked a bit lost at times, not quite fit yet maybe.
Cahill - I don't know what to say about Tim, he always gives 100%
Anichebe - superb effort; showed a different side to his game today that I didn't know he had.
Yakubu - Feed him and he scores nuff said.
To sum up most played well and if it weren't for two self-destruct moments we?d all be cracking another Stella by now. Personally I don't know wether to go for the scotch instead.
Lescott hasnt grabbed the technicalities on the move from CH to LB , he’s letting balls go past him on the inside thinking Howard will pick up - like the late penalty appeal, the Santa Cruz goal , etc.
Trouble is he clearly wants the CH spot but Jags and Yobo are the better partnership.
1) Arteta needs to CROSS THE BLOODY BALL. Pip put in better crosses than Mikel all night and that isn?t right and makes my head hurt
2) Lescott had his worst game in a Blue shirt. Save that shit for England.
3) Osman was great but had so many hospital balls hit his way I?m surprised he managed to full 90.
4)like Castillo. Loved that backheel in the second half. Roberto Carsley only ever passed the ball fowards once his whole career (but it was into the Redhsite net)
Was it Carsley?s voice that held it all together last season?
We need footballers at this level. As much as I admire his commitment and workrate, I reckon I could line out beside Yobo and hoof the ball forward or into touch any time it comes near me.....
Basic ’school boy errors’ cost us yet again :-(
Surely Howard must have yelled ’LEAVE IT’ to Yobo??
Lescott seemed to consistently be more concerned with charging forward than making sure it was tight at the back...surely Moyes made it clear that away goals can count double?!
Our squad is not massive, but it is big enough to shake things up for Hull and remind the lads there IS competition for places. I’d drop Lescott or Yobo and play Baines or Valente at LB vs Hull. I’d also drop Howard and play Nash in goal at Hull.
There is no point having a squad if you are not going to use it when the guys in possession of the jersey are seriously underperforming.
Still, if we can get Pienaar back for the second leg and Saha up front with the Yak I’m confident that Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Yak and Saha are bursting with goals as a combo. If they are on the pitch, the back line (with Castillo in DM protecting them) just need to keep it tight at the back and let the lads in front of them work their magic.
We can get through, but only if we plug the huge leaks at the back! COYB.
^maybe Moyes signing at least, will be the news the players need to see us through.
I want to cry! I can?t believe how shitty our defense is. We will need to score at least 2 goals in Liege since there is no way we?ll keep a clean sheet there. Fuck!
That’s two own-goals in two games.
Everton FC will never win anything ever again, unless we get someone in with a bit of cash....
Howard was ill, Cahill was a passenger, Ossie was half fit, we scored a stupid OG, Lescott... well.
We need to go over to Liege looking for a high scoring draw or a win, Moyesy must realise there is no way we’re going to squeeze a tight 0-1 victory so will be telling the lads to go for it. The lads surely don’t want to be out of it at this stage already and will want to go for it.
Anchibe on the wing was a revelation, his play has come on in leaps and bounds since the olympics he no longer has just one dimension, as opposed to Vaughn who was so gunning for it his play suffered last night.
IF Saha is fit, the script is written for him in the reverse fixture, Saha Yak up front Arteta or VDM plus Anchibe on the wings... that combo has goals written all over it and we need just two but a thrilling 2-4 victory will do me.


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