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We need to talk about David
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No contract signed despite a £17M offer, players rejected as not good enough for him, the Board blamed for not releasing funds early enough in the summer when the funds were not there.
These are the facts of our manager's behaviour. He is now about one thing: David Moyes. He is a carrer man ...remember, 'one day I'd like to manage an Old Firm team?' He feels he cannot take the club further without getting money we have not got. Yet, take the Cardiff lad out of the Arsenal team that beat Sheff Utd 6-0 last night and the cost of that impressive young squad is next to nothing. That is down to quality management. We are losing again, tonight. It is time we talked about David.
Ged Alexander, Posted 24/09/2008 at 21:34:16
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If Moyes was to leave, who do we get to replace him????.......................Look no further than ALAN IRVINE!!!!! No coincidence that our form has dropped since he left and he was the one leading the coaching and certainly on the defensive side of things. Knows how the club works, knows most of the players and would have the fans behind him
Interesting thread for many reasons, I for one am just waiting for the axe to fall on Mark Hughes at Man City. Why? because if you have the money you want worlds best and with no disrespect to Mark Hughes, there are some great managers (who would command great salaries too) that the new owners would look to bring in.
Same thing applies should a similar thing happen to EFC, new owner, new direction, new chairman, new manager. new players. The merrygo round continues.
David Moyes does need to sign his contract not just because it (sounds like) a great deal but to give us and the players some confidence. After all, if the players see the manager being uncommitted then it spreads through the team too.
We don’t know and can only speculate on all the reasons the team has not played well, why players weren’t brought in etc etc.. but its daft to think that all the crap off the pitch and the managers commitment doesn;t effect the performance on the pitch. I get the feeling as many have said, this is going to be an uncomfortable season as fans of EFC.
Same thing applies should a similar thing happen to EFC, new owner, new direction, new chairman, new manager. new players. The merrygo round continues.
David Moyes does need to sign his contract not just because it (sounds like) a great deal but to give us and the players some confidence. After all, if the players see the manager being uncommitted then it spreads through the team too.
We don’t know and can only speculate on all the reasons the team has not played well, why players weren’t brought in etc etc.. but its daft to think that all the crap off the pitch and the managers commitment doesn;t effect the performance on the pitch. I get the feeling as many have said, this is going to be an uncomfortable season as fans of EFC.
Michael, Moyes is to blame. He picks the team, it’s his tactics the team employ on the pitch, and obviously it’s not working. BK also takes the blame, the money should have been made available sooner.
And now the end is near, and so I face the final curtain......
Its time to go Davy lad.
Its time to go Davy lad.
To me it seems the players are very low on confidence which is probably down to events over the summer. Who knows who is more to blame out of DM and BK. I don’t think a change of manager would help matters at this particular point in time. I think DM has earned the right to be given time to sort the mess out.
Saying that though I do think there are plenty of managers good enough to replace him if need be. The likes of Mowbray, Brown, Billy Davies, Gary Johnson all have better track records than DM did when he took over. There are probably lots of even better foreign options, but surely BK wouldn’t have the insight to know who they are?
Saying that though I do think there are plenty of managers good enough to replace him if need be. The likes of Mowbray, Brown, Billy Davies, Gary Johnson all have better track records than DM did when he took over. There are probably lots of even better foreign options, but surely BK wouldn’t have the insight to know who they are?
To me it seems the players are very low on confidence which is probably down to events over the summer. Who knows who is more to blame out of DM and BK. I don’t think a change of manager would help matters at this particular point in time. I think DM has earned the right to be given time to sort the mess out.
Saying that though I do think there are plenty of managers good enough to replace him if need be. The likes of Mowbray, Brown, Billy Davies, Gary Johnson all have better track records than DM did when he took over. There are probably lots of even better foreign options, but surely BK wouldn’t have the insight to know who they are?
Saying that though I do think there are plenty of managers good enough to replace him if need be. The likes of Mowbray, Brown, Billy Davies, Gary Johnson all have better track records than DM did when he took over. There are probably lots of even better foreign options, but surely BK wouldn’t have the insight to know who they are?
What has bugged me about Moyes this season is that we could of got Castillo when the window opened.He would of now before the season started got to speak good english and have a understanding of the squad players = Spirit . Something we are now badly lacking after letting british players leave ie McFadden,Carsley & AJ.We have replaced them with 2 foreign lads that cant speak english and a foreign defender in his 30s
Caught between 2 minds with this one. Up to now I think Moyes has done a great job on a limited budget. However with him dragging his feet on a £60,000 + a week contract, over 2 years pay for most of us, is his heart still in the job. Up until we signed Felliani his body language was very defeatist to say the least. No one can deny we’re in a much better state now than when he took over, and we’ve had some great results without really looking like winning anything. Are his ambitions a lot higher than the board and in the end he’s thought sod it, might as well get as much as I can. Or maybe it is time to freshen things up and have a new outlook on things, sack him before he signs his contract and save a fortune in a payoff. Then there’s the question of who do we get. An ambitious young manager Irvine or maybe Roberto Martinez from Swansea, both play great football but can they hack the premier league. Or a good European Gus Hiddink or Dick Advocaat two names that come to mind how about Bilic ?. I’ll make my mind up next Friday when we could be either A) Cocker hoop with a Derby win and a great result in Europe or B) Beaten by the lovable Reds and knocked out of another cup competition. Can’t wait, honest.
To sum up EFC under Moyes, this looks like another yoyo season ie bad follows good.
Ged you clearly need your head testing mate!
David is doing fantastic, your issues are with the board. Im delighted to hear players were rejected for not being good enough. (At last the trend is turning and crap players are being barred entry to easy pay checks and a lack luster football at everton.
Don’t we agree that while everybody else was spending we were not and again, Bill (give him his credit to) pulled off a few quality transfers. That means we have an exciting season ahead of us if we all pull together rather than pick holes at something just for the sake of it.
Lets face it were not going to be able to win every cup with the size of our squad so im not to disappointed with being knocked out of the cup against Blackburn.
If David leaves Goodison i’d be gutted, The people who posted negative comments should just keep it to them to themselves. Its still only the start of the season!!!
David is doing fantastic, your issues are with the board. Im delighted to hear players were rejected for not being good enough. (At last the trend is turning and crap players are being barred entry to easy pay checks and a lack luster football at everton.
Don’t we agree that while everybody else was spending we were not and again, Bill (give him his credit to) pulled off a few quality transfers. That means we have an exciting season ahead of us if we all pull together rather than pick holes at something just for the sake of it.
Lets face it were not going to be able to win every cup with the size of our squad so im not to disappointed with being knocked out of the cup against Blackburn.
If David leaves Goodison i’d be gutted, The people who posted negative comments should just keep it to them to themselves. Its still only the start of the season!!!
Also, look at the state of Newcastle, they got all the money, players and there still rubbish and going nowhere fast...
We need Moyes at the moment because without investment we could not attract the type of manager that can give us pretty football and silverware. If we get rid of Moyes before we get investment then we will end up with whoever BK can afford and is available as we can’t afford to buy out a contract either (e.g. the same old short-list of transient managers like Sam Allardyce, Peter Reid, Joe Royle etc.).
Moyse is okay for now, but I would expect a change if we had a massive injection of cash - oh, and I would avoid Alan Irvine, as this is similar to the Newcastle fans misguided demand for a link to the barcodes old boy network.
Moyse is okay for now, but I would expect a change if we had a massive injection of cash - oh, and I would avoid Alan Irvine, as this is similar to the Newcastle fans misguided demand for a link to the barcodes old boy network.
We need Moyes at the moment because without investment we could not attract the type of manager that can give us pretty football and silverware. If we get rid of Moyes before we get investment then we will end up with whoever BK can afford and is available as we can’t afford to buy out a contract either (e.g. the same old short-list of transient managers like Sam Allardyce, Peter Reid, Joe Royle etc.).
Moyse is okay for now, but I would expect a change if we had a massive injection of cash - oh, and I would avoid Alan Irvine, as this is similar to the Newcastle fans misguided demand for a link to the barcodes old boy network.
Moyse is okay for now, but I would expect a change if we had a massive injection of cash - oh, and I would avoid Alan Irvine, as this is similar to the Newcastle fans misguided demand for a link to the barcodes old boy network.
For starters I think any of the perpetual moaners who stated that we should ’sacrifice’ the worthless Carling Cup, should not be allowed to use last nights performance as a stick with which to beat Moyes.
He is a great manager doing wonders on a shoestring budget, would I swap him for Wenger...yes of course, but it’s not ever going to happen, and there are NO other Wenger style managers out there, he is a one-off freak of football managing nature, and even if there were ’A Nother’ he wouldn’t be coming to EFC so stop dreaming.
If Moyes did end up leaving the club i’m certain we would just end up with Allardyce, Gary Johnson or perhaps a continental Miracle Manager like Christian Gross.
Moyes really is the best manager for the club, so as disappointing and useless as we were last night, let’s move on and put our all into winning either the UEFA cup and FA Cup.
He is a great manager doing wonders on a shoestring budget, would I swap him for Wenger...yes of course, but it’s not ever going to happen, and there are NO other Wenger style managers out there, he is a one-off freak of football managing nature, and even if there were ’A Nother’ he wouldn’t be coming to EFC so stop dreaming.
If Moyes did end up leaving the club i’m certain we would just end up with Allardyce, Gary Johnson or perhaps a continental Miracle Manager like Christian Gross.
Moyes really is the best manager for the club, so as disappointing and useless as we were last night, let’s move on and put our all into winning either the UEFA cup and FA Cup.
I would like a manager that blended all the finer aspects of Kendall, Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho, Hiddink, Capello, Ramsey, Clough, Stein et al sprinkled with a just touch of the Ossie Ardiles kamikazi attacking spirit, who was born and bred in Merseyside and could rebuild the club by the force of his personality alone,taking us to League and European glory whilst also returning a net profit in his transfer dealings.
Paul Jewell anyone?
Paul Jewell anyone?
And so the sharks appear.
Where were we before Moyes came in, struggling to beat the drop and in freefall. Crap players and our only joy was trying to beat the reds twice a year.
So we have played 7 games this season, won 2 drawn 2 and lost 3 in all competitions.
Get a grip, I too am frustrated but we will end up like the barcodes next with fans revolts on our hands.
Fickle fans are a disgrace to our club.
Where were we before Moyes came in, struggling to beat the drop and in freefall. Crap players and our only joy was trying to beat the reds twice a year.
So we have played 7 games this season, won 2 drawn 2 and lost 3 in all competitions.
Get a grip, I too am frustrated but we will end up like the barcodes next with fans revolts on our hands.
Fickle fans are a disgrace to our club.
Lescott has to go I’d sell him in Jan. I don’t think he wants to play for us anymore, or more to the point he wants to play for a team with ambition and money (the same thing?). I would also give the manager a deadline to sign the new contract. Moyes attitude and tactics have been piss poor recently. I suspect he is miffed that we have not shown more ambition in the transfer market, and thinks he is too good for us now. Well good luck Davey time will tell, but I really think we need a change of attitude from him and some of the players, or get rid. I am sick of losing to teams like Blackburn. With respect to them, getting knocked out of the cup in the first round is unacceptable. It represents one of our only realistic chances of winning something, and we have a great tradition in cup competition. When Moyes & Lescott were looking to make a name for themselves, we fitted the bill, but now they are sulking and its rubbing off on the club.
I just can’t believe that he has had a contract sitting there for that long and still not signed it!
If that was a player he would of been out the door by now!
We want players who want to play for Everton but we also need a Manager that wants to manage Everton from what I see he no longer wants to manage us and is waiting for Celtic.
Bring Irvine back as he was the man who was running the club not Moyes.
If that was a player he would of been out the door by now!
We want players who want to play for Everton but we also need a Manager that wants to manage Everton from what I see he no longer wants to manage us and is waiting for Celtic.
Bring Irvine back as he was the man who was running the club not Moyes.
Firstly I do NOT think that everything Moyes does is brilliant - he make mistakes - so do all football managers - but to read some of the comments here. For goodness sake put things into perspective some of you.
I don’t like losing any match - but I wonder how some of you would react to losing to QPR at home or being beaten on penalties away at Brighton ? Yes our start to the season hasn’t being exactly brilliant - but it’s not as bad as some of the clubs we get compared to - say for example Spurs. They are one of the teams often seen as being potential challengers for the top 4 . Yes they have spent loadsa money - more that us in the last 2 seasons on players - it doesn’t look to have moved them closer to fulfilling their potential.
If you can remember last season - we didn’t really start to get going until after the Goodison Derby - when we got most of our injured players back. As Channel 5 pointed out last week Cahill played 18 League games last season - I wonder how Chelsea would have coped without Lampard for 20 League games or Man Utd without Ronaldo or Liverpool with Gerrard missing for that period of time.
Some of you are so predictable - we get a bad result and it’s time to ......
1) Slag off Moyes
2) Slag off Kenwright
3) Slag off Neville
Or do all three.
And they say Newcastle fans are impatient - they’ve got nothing on some of you guys. Ever heard of Peter Johnson any of you - now there was a Chairman who nearly riuned our club.Some of you seem to have forgotten that.
I don’t like losing any match - but I wonder how some of you would react to losing to QPR at home or being beaten on penalties away at Brighton ? Yes our start to the season hasn’t being exactly brilliant - but it’s not as bad as some of the clubs we get compared to - say for example Spurs. They are one of the teams often seen as being potential challengers for the top 4 . Yes they have spent loadsa money - more that us in the last 2 seasons on players - it doesn’t look to have moved them closer to fulfilling their potential.
If you can remember last season - we didn’t really start to get going until after the Goodison Derby - when we got most of our injured players back. As Channel 5 pointed out last week Cahill played 18 League games last season - I wonder how Chelsea would have coped without Lampard for 20 League games or Man Utd without Ronaldo or Liverpool with Gerrard missing for that period of time.
Some of you are so predictable - we get a bad result and it’s time to ......
1) Slag off Moyes
2) Slag off Kenwright
3) Slag off Neville
Or do all three.
And they say Newcastle fans are impatient - they’ve got nothing on some of you guys. Ever heard of Peter Johnson any of you - now there was a Chairman who nearly riuned our club.Some of you seem to have forgotten that.
It appears to me that Moyes prevarication on the contract front is entirely to do with the ambition of the club and he can’t be faulted for that. Also I was at Hull on Sunday and we clearly tried to play football. Anyone who says we played hoofball wasn’t at the game. I watched Everton on ESPN Classic lose 4-2 to Newcastle away in the early days of Moyes’ reign. The wide players were Steve Watson and Zinedine Kilbane. No disrespect but we’ve moved miles away from those days of instrumental football, of Unsy wacking it wildly left to right. People have short memories.
I suppose there will come a time when the manager and the club are no longer right for each other. I’m not frightened of change. To me Moyes has raised the bar at the club. Shandy aside there are no passengers at the club and even he has been dealt with appropriately. Last year certain people were calling for Moyes’ head for coming 5th. It’s not surprising that we are where we are. It could be worse you know we could be Newcastle or Leeds or Spurs.
I suppose there will come a time when the manager and the club are no longer right for each other. I’m not frightened of change. To me Moyes has raised the bar at the club. Shandy aside there are no passengers at the club and even he has been dealt with appropriately. Last year certain people were calling for Moyes’ head for coming 5th. It’s not surprising that we are where we are. It could be worse you know we could be Newcastle or Leeds or Spurs.
It appears to me that Moyes prevarication on the contract front is entirely to do with the ambition of the club and he can’t be faulted for that. Also I was at Hull on Sunday and we clearly tried to play football. Anyone who says we played hoofball wasn’t at the game. I watched Everton on ESPN Classic lose 4-2 to Newcastle away in the early days of Moyes’ reign. The wide players were Steve Watson and Zinedine Kilbane. No disrespect but we’ve moved miles away from those days of instrumental football, of Unsy wacking it wildly left to right. People have short memories.
I suppose there will come a time when the manager and the club are no longer right for each other. I’m not frightened of change. To me Moyes has raised the bar at the club. Shandy aside there are no passengers at the club and even he has been dealt with appropriately. Last year certain people were calling for Moyes’ head for coming 5th. It’s not surprising that we are where we are. It could be worse you know we could be Newcastle or Leeds or Spurs.
I suppose there will come a time when the manager and the club are no longer right for each other. I’m not frightened of change. To me Moyes has raised the bar at the club. Shandy aside there are no passengers at the club and even he has been dealt with appropriately. Last year certain people were calling for Moyes’ head for coming 5th. It’s not surprising that we are where we are. It could be worse you know we could be Newcastle or Leeds or Spurs.
Sorry Ged, but that’s garbage.
If Moyes had set about things the Arsenal way - we would have went down. Wenger was blessed with a side he could build with - Moyes wasn’t. Arsenal can afford to spend X amount of millions on kids, but Everton cannot. That’s it - end of.
Trying to compare Arsenal under Wenger to Everton under Moyes is pathetic.
If Moyes had set about things the Arsenal way - we would have went down. Wenger was blessed with a side he could build with - Moyes wasn’t. Arsenal can afford to spend X amount of millions on kids, but Everton cannot. That’s it - end of.
Trying to compare Arsenal under Wenger to Everton under Moyes is pathetic.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We cant let Davey go ! ! !
dont post it, Dont say it.
DONT EVEN THINK IT ! ! !
Ok, so we play hideous football and we might have won fuck all, since he came here and so what if we are annually humiliated by, the likes of Oldhams, Tranmere and Shrewsbury
Think how lucky we’ll be if condescends to sign his 20 mill contract ?
We cant let Davey go ! ! !
dont post it, Dont say it.
DONT EVEN THINK IT ! ! !
Ok, so we play hideous football and we might have won fuck all, since he came here and so what if we are annually humiliated by, the likes of Oldhams, Tranmere and Shrewsbury
Think how lucky we’ll be if condescends to sign his 20 mill contract ?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We cant let Davey go ! ! !
dont post it, Dont say it.
DONT EVEN THINK IT ! ! !
Ok, so we play hideous football and we might have won fuck all, since he came here and so what if we are annually humiliated by, the likes of Oldhams, Tranmere and Shrewsbury
Think how lucky we’ll be if condescends to sign his 20 mill contract ?
We cant let Davey go ! ! !
dont post it, Dont say it.
DONT EVEN THINK IT ! ! !
Ok, so we play hideous football and we might have won fuck all, since he came here and so what if we are annually humiliated by, the likes of Oldhams, Tranmere and Shrewsbury
Think how lucky we’ll be if condescends to sign his 20 mill contract ?
Don’t forget Slaven Bilic didn’t go to West Ham in the end, there’s one manager that can kick his player’s arses and get them playing reasonable football - and before I get a reply from the jackbooted few I know Engerland beat them at home but one defeat doesn’t make them crap all of a sudden.
How long before we start saying Moyes out etc etc with the way we’re playing this season?
I’m a Moyes fan but wouldn’t be gutted if he left I’d just be worried about who’d replace him. I think it’s overdue that the board leave, how van other clubs e.g. Newcastle & Man City find so many investors so quickly but we can’t find anything?
Then we’d have the money to supply Moyes to show what he can really dowithout relying on the scraps of the transfer market and a ton of loan deals.
Would be no good saying Moyes out now cos a new boss would have the same problems.
I’m a Moyes fan but wouldn’t be gutted if he left I’d just be worried about who’d replace him. I think it’s overdue that the board leave, how van other clubs e.g. Newcastle & Man City find so many investors so quickly but we can’t find anything?
Then we’d have the money to supply Moyes to show what he can really dowithout relying on the scraps of the transfer market and a ton of loan deals.
Would be no good saying Moyes out now cos a new boss would have the same problems.
If a player had refused to sign a contract as good as his on offer he would be getting all kinds of shite thrown at him... spot on: LET'S TALK ABOUT DAVE!
IMWT
A new boss might actually tell the guys to play the ball on the deck than hopless "hoofballs" from back to front, he might have a plan B when plan A doesn?t work, might pick a side with shape and balance, might show more faith in the youngsters when the senior players are not doing the biz.
Moyes is wanting a bumper pay rise and for what has he achieved to ask for £3.5m-£4m a year, absolutly nothing. Nil satis nisi optimum? ? you're having a laugh, Moyes!!! Time for a change from top to bottom.
Even if by a miracle we beat Liverpool on Saturday, that still doesn?t change the fact that Moyes is an average-good manager who does not possess the qualities to build a squad who can play good passing football consistently.
Sorry but Moyes & Kenwright out!!!
Regardless of if you are a fan of Moyes or not, something is very wrong at Everton; we can talk about losing Carsley all day but the buck stops with the Manager!
I think with the combination of his contract talks, the introduction of Steve Round and the piss-poor performance in the summer, Everton FC have completely fucked this season up.
I think with the combination of his contract talks, the introduction of Steve Round and the piss-poor performance in the summer, Everton FC have completely fucked this season up.
Funny that, for years myself, Tony Marsh, Gavin and others have been arguing about Moyes?s poor management style, his dour defensive plans, lack of strategical planning, inability to change a game, preference for playing hoofball, poor interpersonal skills, support of his favourites, useless transfer ability and on and on and been castigated for it. Now, what do we have? The defence has been shite this season and suddenly people?s eyes are beginning to open.
Everton FC and the fans deserve better than this. In the present uncertainty with the ground, the complete lack of funds and the appearance as ?laughing stock? of the Premier League... SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE. Moyes has sat on this contract for months. Actually, he does not deserve it because he has achieved ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
Everton FC and the fans deserve better than this. In the present uncertainty with the ground, the complete lack of funds and the appearance as ?laughing stock? of the Premier League... SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE. Moyes has sat on this contract for months. Actually, he does not deserve it because he has achieved ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
Of course we should talk about Dave! He is not beyond criticism by any means!
The only thing is that I have absolutely no confidence in the board ever finding a better replacement ? but that?s not to say there isn?t a better manager out there with the potential to do a ?Wenger? with us ? because I am sure there is.
The direction of the club is lead from the top i.e. Kenwright. When you have the main man crying poverty, throwing in the white flag before the season starts, and causing the biggest ever split amongst Evertonians in history then it is obvious where the problem lies.
Kenwright thanks his lucky stars everyday that he has a manger in Moyes who acts like his lap dog. I was hoping Moyes would turn on BK in the summer, in turn whipping up a huge amount of support from the blues who follow him blindly. But I have to say, Moyes seems to put up with BK?s shit, but I can?t do the same with the style of football Moyes has drilled into the squad.
7 defensive players started against Blackburn. It?s a fucking cup game, Davey, you go all out for goals, excitement and glory.
Last year's cup runs look like the closest we will ever get to winning a trophy with Moyes. This season's cup performances seem to be following the trend set at Everton since Moyes took over.
The only thing is that I have absolutely no confidence in the board ever finding a better replacement ? but that?s not to say there isn?t a better manager out there with the potential to do a ?Wenger? with us ? because I am sure there is.
The direction of the club is lead from the top i.e. Kenwright. When you have the main man crying poverty, throwing in the white flag before the season starts, and causing the biggest ever split amongst Evertonians in history then it is obvious where the problem lies.
Kenwright thanks his lucky stars everyday that he has a manger in Moyes who acts like his lap dog. I was hoping Moyes would turn on BK in the summer, in turn whipping up a huge amount of support from the blues who follow him blindly. But I have to say, Moyes seems to put up with BK?s shit, but I can?t do the same with the style of football Moyes has drilled into the squad.
7 defensive players started against Blackburn. It?s a fucking cup game, Davey, you go all out for goals, excitement and glory.
Last year's cup runs look like the closest we will ever get to winning a trophy with Moyes. This season's cup performances seem to be following the trend set at Everton since Moyes took over.
There is a very good contract on offer for Moyes to take and by stalling on it he is only losing potential earnings, so you have to ask questions. I for one am very glad of the work Moyes has put in but maybe its now time to move on.
You should all listen to Roy Keane's comments on his teams below par performance so honest and made it clear that he wouldn't accept rubbish performances, perhaps some of our players need that kind of managing.
COYB!!!!!!
FFS lads lets put something into context here.
Moyes has operated with an average spend of around 4 million on new players after inheriting a squad of has beens and never made its.
He has got us into the top 6 on 3 occasions and only out of the top 10 on one occasion in 6 years.
Yes we are having a bit of a crisis right now but’s lets remember Billy Bullshit’s statements - "the funds have been there all summer and are not affected by DK" "Watch this space" as opposed to Moyes saying honestly we needed to get players in early to get preseason bedding in.
What have we got in reality - 2 desperate last minute signings and 2 loan deals 2 weeks after the season started!!
Now I dont know how much blame we can lay at Moyes door for that but I certainly hold Kenwright responsible.
Kenwright has had "the old boy’s act" , 4 chief executives, incompetent directing and operating management,piss poor marketing,sold off all our assets,got record debts and plans to take us to cloud cuckoo land with no money.
Somebody remind me again what BK has done for our club.
Moyes has operated with an average spend of around 4 million on new players after inheriting a squad of has beens and never made its.
He has got us into the top 6 on 3 occasions and only out of the top 10 on one occasion in 6 years.
Yes we are having a bit of a crisis right now but’s lets remember Billy Bullshit’s statements - "the funds have been there all summer and are not affected by DK" "Watch this space" as opposed to Moyes saying honestly we needed to get players in early to get preseason bedding in.
What have we got in reality - 2 desperate last minute signings and 2 loan deals 2 weeks after the season started!!
Now I dont know how much blame we can lay at Moyes door for that but I certainly hold Kenwright responsible.
Kenwright has had "the old boy’s act" , 4 chief executives, incompetent directing and operating management,piss poor marketing,sold off all our assets,got record debts and plans to take us to cloud cuckoo land with no money.
Somebody remind me again what BK has done for our club.
By all accounts, Moyes?s agent is advising him to hold out for a £20M five year deal ? or at least to get the £17M on offer paid net of tax.
Moyes should fire his agent, sign the deal on the table NOW before the offer is withdrawn on the back of a bad season brought about by HIS bad signings and tactics. The clock is ticking!
Moyes should fire his agent, sign the deal on the table NOW before the offer is withdrawn on the back of a bad season brought about by HIS bad signings and tactics. The clock is ticking!
Den
do you really believe that rumour?
Moyes has lost about 4 months increase equating to about £0.5 million by not signing.
I believe he has had enough of Billy Bullshit and is just seeing his contract out.
do you really believe that rumour?
Moyes has lost about 4 months increase equating to about £0.5 million by not signing.
I believe he has had enough of Billy Bullshit and is just seeing his contract out.
Tonight's defeat is indeed demoralising and Moyes's "strong line-up" (as he claimed) is evidently not as strong as it could be! The stats seem to show we had more corners, more shots on goal, more shots off target. That said, we had much less possession and it seems crazy that 37-year-old Tugay ran the show when we had both Castillo and Fellaini in the middle.
Maybe such a defeat will bring wise words from Tony Marsh (if he is not hiding in the shadows after falling foul of Simon Cowell on X-factor!?)
Great reading all the comments posted - food for thought. Reckon Moyes will head North as soon as... Have no idea how we as Evertonians are going to get out of this mess... can see us all coming over to Goodison from the 4 corners of the Globe to burn our Rooney "Once a Blue, Always a Blue" shirts that have just been WAITING to be burnt at an appropriate moment fitting of such a GREAT club as ours was, is and will continue to be ? thanks to the supporters. Hey guys, don?t worry. Blue blood..
I am a huge Moyes fan, let's not forget the bunch of no-hopers we have had in the past, the name Smith is still painful for me.
Moyes isn?t to blame, there is one man and that's old Bill, he loves power and has no intention of selling up and we need a man with a lot of money if we are to move forward.
Moyes isn?t to blame, there is one man and that's old Bill, he loves power and has no intention of selling up and we need a man with a lot of money if we are to move forward.
I am more worried about Moyes signing his contract at the moment; if he signs and we continue as we are, just imagine the compensation he would be due if Blue Bill sacked him if this very poor run continues.
I fear dithering Dave is getting more and more like Walter ? 7 defensive players on a pitch, and people out of position... Time to move on me thinks, replaced with who? Haven?t got a clue, but someone who can teach players all earning well over £1,000,000 per year how to put 5 passes together would be a good start.
ps: A few people have said to me our downturn started when Irvine left, look at him and Moyes since then, was Moyes the frontman and Irvine the brains?
I fear dithering Dave is getting more and more like Walter ? 7 defensive players on a pitch, and people out of position... Time to move on me thinks, replaced with who? Haven?t got a clue, but someone who can teach players all earning well over £1,000,000 per year how to put 5 passes together would be a good start.
ps: A few people have said to me our downturn started when Irvine left, look at him and Moyes since then, was Moyes the frontman and Irvine the brains?
After tonight and the poor start to the season, I couldn?t give a flying shite if he signs the contract or not. I've no time for this board but I don?t think that Mr Moyes is the be-all and end-all. Yeah, he may've steadied the ship but, for whatever reason, when the real questions are asked, we always fall short.
I didn?t expect to win tonight, I don?t expect to win against the shite, and guess what. I don?t expect us to beat Liege either. IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR EVERTON? NO IT AIN'T.
Irvine would be my vote for the next manager. The players know him well, he is respected and I do believe he was the brains behind our progress in recent years. Better coach than round anyday. And I think he could do a really good job.
If Moyes doesn?t sign or is eventually sacked (when hell freezes over), I would want an experienced manager that knows how to play real football on the floor and put in a strong system. The calibre of Gus Hiddink is what we need. Pity it's a pipe dream.
Lets put one myth to rest here. Irvine left in November last year. We had our best results (by far) between mid-October and April last season. Despite a slightly disappointing start to this season (looks bad in the Uefa Cup at the moment, but could still progress and 3-4 points off expected pace in the PL), I don?t think Alan Irvine?s exit has got too much to do with this "slump".
Lars Eidissen wrote "Despite a slightly disappointing start to this season (looks bad in the Uefa Cup at the moment, but could still progress and 3-4 points off expected pace in the PL)".
Slightly disappointing? That?s an understatement !! In the spirit of the old days of Toffeenet - Fuck off Lars :0)
Slightly disappointing? That?s an understatement !! In the spirit of the old days of Toffeenet - Fuck off Lars :0)
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