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The poor standard (as compared to that of last season) of defending could be due in part to a change of emphasis coincident with the arrival of Steve Round. I don't think he did a very good job at Newcastle. Again tonight, some of the defenders were not sure of themselves, certainly I think Yobo looks confused beyond belief and there's is a distinct lack of leadership back there. Better get it sorted by the weekend.
Michael Greaves, Posted 24/09/2008 at 22:17:50
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Can Kenwright withdraw Moyes’ contract offer? Surely getting rid now wouldn’t cost too much in compensation.
Despite the summer we had, Moyes should still have had his team motivated. We’ve been lacklustre all season now and that’s Moyes’ fault.
Despite the summer we had, Moyes should still have had his team motivated. We’ve been lacklustre all season now and that’s Moyes’ fault.
I dont think we can point the finger at Round ,Moyes makes the decisions and to swap two players at half time for the second game running shows a manager who is losing the plot fast.I fear we could be in for a long drawn out season.
You can’t put all the blame on the management all the time but i agree something is very wrong at this football club. But at the end of the day these palyers are professionals and they get paid a lot of money to wear that shirt so they need to get their fuckin head out the clouds and fast or we will sink.
How bloody typical! Blame everybody but the man in charge.I well recall that it was always Irvine’s fault when Everton were crap and more recently it’s been Kenwright’s fault that we’ve looked dreadful.
For crissake open your bloody eyes! MOYES is the man in charge and nothing,absolutely nothing ,happens at Finch Farm or on matchdays that he doesn’t direct personally.
Everton have been garbage since last January-and Round was nowhere to be seen then-so wise up and stop making excuses for the man who has had praise heaped upon him and is soon to rewarded with riches beyond his wildest dreams---and ability!
For crissake open your bloody eyes! MOYES is the man in charge and nothing,absolutely nothing ,happens at Finch Farm or on matchdays that he doesn’t direct personally.
Everton have been garbage since last January-and Round was nowhere to be seen then-so wise up and stop making excuses for the man who has had praise heaped upon him and is soon to rewarded with riches beyond his wildest dreams---and ability!
How bloody typical! Blame everybody but the man in charge.I well recall that it was always Irvine’s fault when Everton were crap and more recently it’s been Kenwright’s fault that we’ve looked dreadful.
For crissake open your bloody eyes! MOYES is the man in charge and nothing,absolutely nothing ,happens at Finch Farm or on matchdays that he doesn’t direct personally.
Everton have been garbage since last January-and Round was nowhere to be seen then-so wise up and stop making excuses for the man who has had praise heaped upon him and is soon to rewarded with riches beyond his wildest dreams---and ability!
For crissake open your bloody eyes! MOYES is the man in charge and nothing,absolutely nothing ,happens at Finch Farm or on matchdays that he doesn’t direct personally.
Everton have been garbage since last January-and Round was nowhere to be seen then-so wise up and stop making excuses for the man who has had praise heaped upon him and is soon to rewarded with riches beyond his wildest dreams---and ability!
If it is not GLARINGLY obvious to some after last nights performance then it never will be! Forget Steve Round it’s not him, It’s not even the defence primarily which is the cause of so much uncertainty-
ITS OUR FUCKING NON EXISTENT MIDFIELD!!!
how can anybody not see that this is the source of the problems????
If Fellaini is judged on his current levels of performances £15m is the most appalling waste of money i have ever seen at the club. The lad is 6’4 20 years old, and alledgedly one of the top European rising stars-well I am telling you now, I would rather have swapped fucking Tugay for the gormless dud. Fellaini wont close down, he just jogs around the pitch aimlessly, he gives us fans fucking nothing to warrant suppporting him. If he was neat on the ball or won his fair share of headers and tackles or goals, I would be shouting to give him a chance but no! he gives us nothing!
Osman is good when given support, but awful when on his own! The lad tries but time after time is his own worst enemy.
Castillo is improving but ultimately does not get involved enough, he wont scream for the ball back after laying it off, he is decent in the tackle but doesn’t do it anywhere near enough!
Arteta and Cahill are the only bright sparks in a very grim midfield, but two fucking players wont take us anywhere near the champions league!
I am absolutely disgusted with our hierachy for allowing us to throw away our season by not strengthening in the Summer.....
Roll on the Derby...hahaha dont make me laugh.....
ITS OUR FUCKING NON EXISTENT MIDFIELD!!!
how can anybody not see that this is the source of the problems????
If Fellaini is judged on his current levels of performances £15m is the most appalling waste of money i have ever seen at the club. The lad is 6’4 20 years old, and alledgedly one of the top European rising stars-well I am telling you now, I would rather have swapped fucking Tugay for the gormless dud. Fellaini wont close down, he just jogs around the pitch aimlessly, he gives us fans fucking nothing to warrant suppporting him. If he was neat on the ball or won his fair share of headers and tackles or goals, I would be shouting to give him a chance but no! he gives us nothing!
Osman is good when given support, but awful when on his own! The lad tries but time after time is his own worst enemy.
Castillo is improving but ultimately does not get involved enough, he wont scream for the ball back after laying it off, he is decent in the tackle but doesn’t do it anywhere near enough!
Arteta and Cahill are the only bright sparks in a very grim midfield, but two fucking players wont take us anywhere near the champions league!
I am absolutely disgusted with our hierachy for allowing us to throw away our season by not strengthening in the Summer.....
Roll on the Derby...hahaha dont make me laugh.....
Good point Russell. I seem to recall after the injustice of last years fixture, the Goodison derby proved to be the catalyst to our strong season. Let’s hope it’s the same again!
No idea how much responsibility we can attribute to Steve Round - apparently ok at Boro but Toon’s defending has been a laughing stock for years. Truth probably somewhere in between as Moyes and Round sort out their different ideas
This got brought up on the phone in after the Hull match.At the time i thought it cant be all down to him but after a few days i starting wondering how such a solid base of defenders can ALL play so bad and look like they just dont know each other.Plus looking at the clubs Round has been a No2 to it does ring alarm bells.Boro(Shit team under McClaren and) England(Job for the boyys brought in by McClaren - shit team) Newcastle (Do i have to say anymore!! now Everton(???????????????)
2 words - ALAN STUBBS
2 words - ALAN STUBBS
The overall problem with the club is lack of investment. The shambles during the summer transfer window is coming back to haunt us now and make know bones about it was a shambles. A lot of Evertonians were placated by the late arrival of a couple of loan deals and the club in desperation going out and spending 15m on Fellaini. O.K. the guy had a couple of good games against Liverpool but at the moment he’s looking like a mega flop. If we had the money to go out and buy the players that we really wanted I doubt very much if we had gone anywhere near him. This fella could be a very big albatross around David Moyes neck for some time to come. We can talk about this and blame that but the bottom line is that Everton Football Club are treading water right now and the only hope we have is for some billionaire to come in and provide the investment that is desperately needed to put us on a level playing field. For those who say the game isn’t just about money, well your wrong. If you don’t like it walk away. This isn’t the game that I was brought up to know and love and I find it more differcult every season to stick with it as I become more and more disillusioned. What holds me there is the memory’s I have of the great Alex Young, Alan Ball etc and being privileged of see Everton win four league championships. I feel sorry for the young Evertonians who are feeding off scraps. So I’m caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. I hate the way the game has gone but if you are going to stay with it there is only one way to do it and that is to have loadddds of money, otherwise were all wasting our time and breath.
I’m livid with Moyes post match comment that we’re lacking balance to the team at the moment! OF COURSE WE ARE DAVEY, what do you expect with 3 Def Mids and one C Mid played across the midfield!!! What a plonker.
I know we are currently forced to play square pegs in round holes but for me Vaughan or Anichebe RM, Fellaini DM, Osman CM, Baines LM with Cahill and one of Saha or Yak up front would have been far more BALANCED!!!!
I know we are currently forced to play square pegs in round holes but for me Vaughan or Anichebe RM, Fellaini DM, Osman CM, Baines LM with Cahill and one of Saha or Yak up front would have been far more BALANCED!!!!
Last night we had Vaughan, Saha, Osman, Yakubu, Cahill all on
on the pitch and they still couldn’t score a goal between them. Best shot was probably Fellaini’s. If it hasn’t have been for some good saves by Howard, it could have been worse!! Speaks for itself doesn’t it?
Anyone else gone off Paul Merson. Watched him commentating on our game on Sky Sports - full of delight and giggles at us getting beat by Blackburn because his best mate, Robbie Fowler was playing [ ugh!!] Thought these commentators were supposed to be impartial, unless, of course, they are Phil Thompson!! Even his fellow commentators were remarking on his attitude.
on the pitch and they still couldn’t score a goal between them. Best shot was probably Fellaini’s. If it hasn’t have been for some good saves by Howard, it could have been worse!! Speaks for itself doesn’t it?
Anyone else gone off Paul Merson. Watched him commentating on our game on Sky Sports - full of delight and giggles at us getting beat by Blackburn because his best mate, Robbie Fowler was playing [ ugh!!] Thought these commentators were supposed to be impartial, unless, of course, they are Phil Thompson!! Even his fellow commentators were remarking on his attitude.
Last night we had Vaughan, Saha, Osman, Yakubu, Cahill and Baxter all on the field and they couldn’t hit a goal between them!! Says something doesn’t it. I think the closest shot on target was probably Fellaini’s. At this rate expect a right going over by the RS - think we will all end up feeling like Harry Redknapp’s nightmare week!!
Has anyone else gone off Paul Merson? He couldn’t contain his glee last night on Sky Sprts at Everton going out of the Carling Cup and all because his best mate, Robbie Fowler was playing. Thought commentators were supposed to be impartial! Even his fellow comentators were commenting on his obvious pleasure at us being beaten by another ex Red shite,
Has anyone else gone off Paul Merson? He couldn’t contain his glee last night on Sky Sprts at Everton going out of the Carling Cup and all because his best mate, Robbie Fowler was playing. Thought commentators were supposed to be impartial! Even his fellow comentators were commenting on his obvious pleasure at us being beaten by another ex Red shite,
For goodness sake we all know that the new lads will take 2-3 months to gel in . Castillo and Felliani will have never played football at this tempo , they havent had to close down people so quickly - give them time . Its not their fault that they were bought 7-8 weeks too late.
Moyes has taken the blame for the lack of movement in the summer and now as he predicted will take a number of months to get going. It means if we are going to get anything from this season it will come with a good 2nd half to it. We need to tread water until Xmas .
I dont like it as anyone else but I’m trying to be realistic with what’s happened. The major down side is that the back 4/5 have competely lost it at the moment , something Moyes wasnt expecting and they in turn can point to the lack of midfield help /support .
I do feel its going to go backwards for a while yet - or we come to our senses after a good 4-0 thrashing off someone.
I doubt if we’ll see Castillo or Felliani against Liverpool or Man Utd - they’ll and we’ll get destroyed . He’ll put Neville back in the middle for now whilst are new lads learn their Premiership trade against mmid and lower level clubs.
Moyes has taken the blame for the lack of movement in the summer and now as he predicted will take a number of months to get going. It means if we are going to get anything from this season it will come with a good 2nd half to it. We need to tread water until Xmas .
I dont like it as anyone else but I’m trying to be realistic with what’s happened. The major down side is that the back 4/5 have competely lost it at the moment , something Moyes wasnt expecting and they in turn can point to the lack of midfield help /support .
I do feel its going to go backwards for a while yet - or we come to our senses after a good 4-0 thrashing off someone.
I doubt if we’ll see Castillo or Felliani against Liverpool or Man Utd - they’ll and we’ll get destroyed . He’ll put Neville back in the middle for now whilst are new lads learn their Premiership trade against mmid and lower level clubs.
i don’t like Round at all, his record at previous clubs is poor. Moyes should have appointed Stubbs and Holden as his assistants.
I think the main problem is a distinct lack of strenght in depth. We have a lot of players out of form who have been ever since pre-season, but we dont have the players to take them out of the team. One player out of form is no disaster as you can remove them or even keep them in hoping they will re-discover their form, but theres a large percentage of players not cutting the mustard at the moment and we can’t drop them all. Just seems like a lack of confidence has spread through the team and it’ll take a while to turn that round. A player in poor form is always one good game away from re-discovering his good form, however if that applies to half you team your in trouble.
If we get tonked by the reds??? What planet are you on? Wake up call by getting beat 4-0 what a load of crap, we need to steam into these red twats its about time a Moyes team went into a derby up for it and ready to tackle a bag of crisps, the wake up call we need is a performance a result and bragging rights for half the season, Come on Russell bit of pride please
I agree that leadership and communication appears to be a defensive issue. Howard could be a bit more vocal toward his team mates before and not after corners etc
When defending corners and free kicks do we really need to park the entire team around the six yard box? This tactic gives us no chance of rebounding into attack. It also allows opponents to pile forward.
When defending corners and free kicks do we really need to park the entire team around the six yard box? This tactic gives us no chance of rebounding into attack. It also allows opponents to pile forward.
i agree with u Russell. Rounds record at previous clubs is poor. I personally think Moyes should have bought in Stubbs and Holden as his assistants.
I don’t know whether Round is to blame for our defensive problems, but I do think that Moyes missed a trick by appointing him. His only experience has come from working with coaching luminaries McClaren and Allardyce. I think he should’ve gone for someone with a bit more experience personally.
If all goes to shit with Moyes and he ends up parting ways.. due to performance or greed or whatever, I think Roy Keane could be worth a punt. Cheap(er) and with that winning mentality.
I am a big Moyes fan by the way, I just wish he was as stingy with his own salary as he is with the rest of our finances!
Money Money Money
I am a big Moyes fan by the way, I just wish he was as stingy with his own salary as he is with the rest of our finances!
Money Money Money
I’m convinced we’ve been trying to play zonal defense. Watch on Saturday - we’ll get murdered if we defend like that.
Russel>i think michael has a good point here
Remember how shite newcastles defence was/is? Mr.round was partly responsible for that surely?
Now our defence,which lets face it,was the reason we did so well last year,is fuckin useless.With SR and C.Woods organising our backline,we look to be in dire straits.
Moyes too much shoulder a lot of the blame as he must oversee training methods and results.
I’m sure i am not alone in dreading saturdays game with the shite.
Its getting harder to keep the faith isnt it boys?
Blue till i die
Remember how shite newcastles defence was/is? Mr.round was partly responsible for that surely?
Now our defence,which lets face it,was the reason we did so well last year,is fuckin useless.With SR and C.Woods organising our backline,we look to be in dire straits.
Moyes too much shoulder a lot of the blame as he must oversee training methods and results.
I’m sure i am not alone in dreading saturdays game with the shite.
Its getting harder to keep the faith isnt it boys?
Blue till i die
Well something has certainly changed! Last year we had a solid back four with two of them picked for England, now they would struggle to get in Macclesfields side - it is hard to imagine that all four have suddenly lost form plus Baines and Valente also playing like shite. So what has changed;
The coach is different - that is down to Moyes
Carsley has gone and been replaced by Castillo who doesnt tackle - that is also down to Moyes.
It isnt exactly rocket science is it?
The coach is different - that is down to Moyes
Carsley has gone and been replaced by Castillo who doesnt tackle - that is also down to Moyes.
It isnt exactly rocket science is it?
I think it is down to the loss of Lee Carsley, he controlled things in front of the defence, and they are lost.
And how can you link that to Round? Have you seen the training sessions? What exactly has he done to confuse Yobo?
Ridiculous post.
Ridiculous post.
I’m with Russell on this.
We’re all looking for reason for the poor start to the season.
I think one of the answers certainly lies in the central MF issue.
We were poor after January last season until Fernandes found his form and fitness and bringing the 2 new guys in 2 weeks into the new season doesnt help.
Add to that the low morale and confidence and the concerns over the manager not signing his contract and the club being for sale(theoretically speaking) and we have a recipe for disaster.
We’re all looking for reason for the poor start to the season.
I think one of the answers certainly lies in the central MF issue.
We were poor after January last season until Fernandes found his form and fitness and bringing the 2 new guys in 2 weeks into the new season doesnt help.
Add to that the low morale and confidence and the concerns over the manager not signing his contract and the club being for sale(theoretically speaking) and we have a recipe for disaster.
I cant see Round coming in and saying to the defence "You were class last season but forget everything you learnt and listen to me. After all, I have just come from Newcastle, and they know a thing or 2 about defending"
It's obvious that something's off but I doubt Round has had such a drastic impact. Moyes is still in charge and thus takes on the responsibility. While the managers and even Bill have to take some responsibility in Everton?s poor start to the season, methinks it's about time the players got a kick up the arse. Not looking good for the weekend. If we get tonked by the Reds than it might act as the wake-up call we need.
The wake-up call should have been there at half-time last night. Round has nothing to do with the current defensive cock-ups, he is not in charge and if he brings in a half-baked idea, super Davey can over rule him. The players are nowhere near the level of last year and some look lost out on the pitch. No balance, no idea. I hope it picks up soon otherwise the season will be over before the end of October, and our better players will be touted around in the January window. The fans (about 7000) deserved better last night.
Mike, Looks like a lukewarm reception to your post mate.
I?m with those who blame the loss of Harry Hill on the fragility of the back 4. Remember P Nev also played the lions share of last season there too. Even though P Nev is a moderate midfielder at best we were rarely inundated at the back like we are now. Neville will play centre-mid on Saturday with Hibbert back. Team should be
Timmy; Hibbo, Joey, Jags, Roger, Arteta, Castillo, Neville, Osman, Tiny, Yak. Leo Sayer (Fellaini) can come off the bench, see if that gets him going. Made up to see Stubbsy back at the club.
I?m with those who blame the loss of Harry Hill on the fragility of the back 4. Remember P Nev also played the lions share of last season there too. Even though P Nev is a moderate midfielder at best we were rarely inundated at the back like we are now. Neville will play centre-mid on Saturday with Hibbert back. Team should be
Timmy; Hibbo, Joey, Jags, Roger, Arteta, Castillo, Neville, Osman, Tiny, Yak. Leo Sayer (Fellaini) can come off the bench, see if that gets him going. Made up to see Stubbsy back at the club.
The season was over before it started. A poorly planned season playing the likes of Cambridge and Preston yet again ? plus the fact that we didn't get any players in. If we didn't have any money Moyes should have said so, he should've had the balls to say so. He looks like he's got a job for life at the moment. Out of one cup... soon to be another next week, and the way we are playing the shite will beat us. We'll be lucky to finish tenth. Still there is the FA Cup to play for...
We need to acquire two quality players, one at the back & one in midfield. I think going after a player like Song at Arsenal in the Jan transfer window would be the way to go, he would be perfect alongside Nevs, at the back we need someone with real presence along the lines of Senderos.
Alan Robb, As usual mate you are talking squarely out of your arse. However, acquiring Song is a decent shout as he would out do Fellaini in the hair stakes. Perhaps we could sign Steve Foster from Brighton circa 1980 to complement him at centre-half.
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