I think we will get hammered against Liverpool and Liege..
That's all I have to say.

"That's all I have to say"

...thank goodness for small mercies.

He certainly does not look, act or sound like the same manager that took over in 2002.

I have never seen him appear so negative and lacklustre as he has appeared this season ? it seems to me as if Everton have killed his hunger and desire and he is looking very resigned at the moment and that is showing on the field.
Something has to change and quick, that's for sure.

Against Blackburn last night we were awful but from my seat in Ewood Park I looked towards the bench and Moyes wasn?t up rallying the troops like he usually would be. I will not slate Moyes though, this is still the best team we have had in years and the best manager. But somehow I do feel as well as if his heart is no longer in the stressful Everton job. I hope I?m wrong.

I?m praying that he leaves... totally overrated, dour, workmanlike, useless in the transfer market, dated PE-teacher tactics and zero charisma. He?s basically Gary Megson, and the day he leaves is the day I?ll see some light at the end of a long dark tunnel!

If he left, who would be an acceptable replacement? I cannot think of many.

From what i have heard he won?t sign the contract as he believes he will get the Man Utd job so wants it in his contact that he can leave if he gets offered the job and the players are starting to hate him as he trains them that hard that when it comes to match days they just don?t have the energy to last the full match

I think if I had worked my socks off to get us into contention for the top 4 and endured the last 3 months of no transfers, the call in of DK, no foreign investor, Man City getting a bottomless pit of cash and the cruel draws I would give up to. In fact, I will give up.

"I have taken this club as far as I can?"

So whose fault is that? The club isn?t good enough or the manager?

Karl Winstanley wrote "From what I have heard, he won?t sign the contract as he believes he will get the Man Utd job so wants it in his contact that he can leave if he gets offered the job".

This is the worst rumour from the many false rumours that float around and that takes some beating. A club the size of Manchester United, with a global fanbase, currently the most sucessful club in England, recent winners of the Champions League, even considering a manager that has not won anything. (Unless a Division 2 promotion with Preston counts!!). There?s more chance of us having a management team of Stuart Barlow and Brett Angell than David Moyes managing Manchester United.....

Would not totally agree with you there Richard. Moyes is a friend of Sir Alex and when you consider that he has had to work under Bullshit Billy and his cronies with tight funding etc, I think that he has done a reasonable job.
The SKY 4 clubs, apart from Arsenal have spent mega bucks. Can you suggest another (or better) manager that would take over at Man U or us, who is not a has been or who is unproven? We would be back to square one. Hopefully Moysey will give us something to shout about on Saturday.

Declan Burke wrote " Moyes is a friend of Sir Alex and when you consider that he has had to work under Bullshit Billy and his cronies with tight funding etc, I think that he has done a reasonable job".

I don?t think that a club of Manchester United?s stature would accept someone who has just done a ?reasonable job?!! Unless they had financial constraints and wanted someone who could operate on a budget. After Alex Ferguson, they would not take the chance on David Moyes. It will either be a big name successful manager or an ex-Manchester United player who has managerial experience.

Surely there must be managers who would cost less than £3.5 million each year and a have a better command of tactics than David Moyes! Being honest, in all the years of David Moyes how many times have you seen a game where we have dominated after taking the lead? Very few, I expect!! You?d think that this would happen by luck or default more often even if it?s not intentional.

A win is a win but how many times have we looked comfortable when we go ahead? A successful team has regular comfortable wins and will dominate many games to assert their superiority. Which isn?t (unfortunately) the mark of a David Moyes team...

Get a grip, David Moyes has done a great job and who would replace him?

All this talk of new contracts should be binned until the end of the season. Within a week we could be out of contention for Europe (after only 5 games, we’re already 4 four points behind last season and we qualified for the UEFA Cup by only 8 points - and that’s ignoring the investments made elsewhere), embarassed by our neighbours and out of Europe this season to go with the Carling Cup debacle.

Whilst I’ve never been a Moyes critic, I just wonder if he has become battle-weary of late, which has contributed to the really poor end of last season and underwhelming start of this. Add to that the unimpressive and unattractive brand of football, and I just wonder if by the end of the season, both Moyes and the Club will believe that a change is for the best.

Foreign clubs believe that managers run out of ideas after 3 - 4 years and a change is made almost of a matter of routine. Certainly £15m for a fish out of water suggests panic rather than someone completely in control of his own and his club’s direction, plans and destiny. Therefore there may be some truth in that.

Anyway, there is absolutely no sense in a club in our parlous position throwing out a £3.5m 5-year contract against the current backdrop. I know many of you will argue that to not sign Moyes up now will incur the risk of him walking, but I would argue that the risk of sacking him at the end of a terrible season (god, I hope that isn’t the case) and having to fund a £14m payoff for his unexpired part of his contract is a far bigger risk that would have serious financial consequences for many years.

Let’s all sit tight until the end of the season and take it from there; if he turns us around then he will deserve a bumper pay increase, if not then we can shake hands and say thanks for everything without a cost.

Richard and Steve, I repeat my question if Davey left or walked now, who would relpace him? Your list will be short I expect.

Declan

Allardyce + Curbishley did pretty much the same job as Moyes, playing pretty much the same football, for much much smaller clubs, Either could easily replace Moyes for a fraction of his wages.

On the other hand, if we wanted to do more than just "replace" him.

£20 million quid would attract some of Europes finest coaches

If it's a short list your looking for, start penciling the names of the coaches around the world who earn more than Moyes is being offered.

Dave
this is now descending into farce.

Curbishley and Allardyce are not fit to lace Moyes boots.

I know he’s dour and we’re having a bad patch but lets not forget where we were and what has been achieved on a comparative shoestring.

I find it hard to believe it’s Moyes and not Kenwright who we’re all having a go at.

Dave,

Moyes is a better manager than Allardyce or Curbishley.
Foreign managers? With the exceptions of Wenger and the "special one" (who spent countless millions) I don?t recall any foreign manager being a success. I mean apart from a poxy CL win, what has the RS manager done.
I think that very few of these guys can cope with the cut and thrust and pressure of the Premier League.
Moysey has faults but ....

I can see all your points, can you see mine; get Carsley back FFS!

Declan,

I’m afraid you clearly haven’t read my post accurately. Never anywhere did I say replace him. I was making a point about there being no need to commit £17.5m of money the club hasn’t got when at the end of the season a parting of the ways may be inevitable.

To repeat my last sentence:

"Let?s all sit tight until the end of the season and take it from there; if he turns us around then he will deserve a bumper pay increase, if not then we can shake hands and say thanks for everything without a cost."

I get a bit fed up with ?if Moyes leaves who will replace him? attitude people have. For me, that's a poor outlook to have. He is not God. He has been here more than six years has not won a trophy or reached a final, our football still looks completely pedestrian and for whatever reason it's always been one step forward and two back and this season looks like being another example.

The fact is Moyes is untouchable with Kenwright because Bull Bill knows all too well that if Everton were to have a dreadful run between now and Christmas he still couldn't sack him for fear of supporter backlash.

I am not with all this messiah shit to be honest... Yes, he steadied a sinking ship six years but so long on we are still looking a team that cannot make a step up in terms of winning some silverware. I have said hundereds of times surely that would have been Moyes's ambition when he took over at Everton. It's all well and good finishing fifth but if you dont do anything in the Uefa Cup then what's the point in finishing fifth really? There is little money to be had in it.

Perhaps the novelty has worn off with managing Everton now for Moyes, six years is a long time to be at a club these days and only Wenger and Ferguson have stayed at Utd and Arsenal because there are so successful. Maybe Moyes needs a change maybe Everton needs a change. A change with new ideas to take us to another level again.

If Moyes where to leave, how about Alan Irvine or Roy Keane or even Tony Mowbray. At least these three get their teams to play football on the deck. We should,nt be surprised at the way the team is performing as bad season always follows good season under Moyes.

Declan + Jay

Charlton and Bolton both got promoted under these guys, they both challeged for Europe regularly, they were/ are tiny clubs in comparison to Everton

Are you seriously suggesting CurbIshleys and big Sams achievements - or style of football - cant be compared to Moyes ???

I believe DM is better than both, but not by much, the point is they would do a similar job for a fraction of his cost

Come on Guys
Neither one of you can seriously believe Moyes wages deserves to be in the top 2% of Managers world wide

Declan
Turn your stats around the right way mate, take SAF out of the equation and the foreigners would have only been interupted by Harry Redknaps cup win last year

I think Moyes is disillussioned as he knows now there is no chance of getting into the top four (now top 5 with Man City's billions)

I think we’re all panicking too soon, aside from Blackburn twice we haven’t played that badly, even against Pompey.

However, if we lose the next two matches without a good fight of it I may reconsider my opinion!

Richard Harris.... it?s from an ex-Everton player himself actually.

Let's do a Charlton then. Push out the manager we?ve had for years in search of the big time!!!!!!!!!!!

The Championship. Never played there, never want to but I can name a bunch of Toffeeweb regulars who won?t be happy till we do.

I have never been the most ardent Moyes fan but I am not sure his leaving would necessarily solve anything.
As previously mentioned I too cannot believe that we are discussing Moyes future when it is painfully clear who is to blame for the mess we are in.
"Watch this space !"

Just a thought if Moyes did leave and we managed to sign a good new manager I can see one major problem. Most managers when they come into a new club like to bring in some of their own players. As we are skint we would only be getting new players by going deeper into debt or selling others.

Dean,

Charlton didn't push Curbishley out. He?s the only manager I can rememeber doing a lap of honour after he called it a Doris.

I accept we could do worse than Moyes, but who the fuck does he think he is holding out for so long?

He?ll NEVER get a better job than this, but he?s started to believe his own publicity

If Kenwright had any pride he withdraw his offer tonight.

Karl: "we have not played that badly"?!
I take it you never went to Blackburn then, well try saying those words to the 5000 who did, it was shocking to say the least and up there with Smith?s dark days.

Myself and a few others posted on here pre season of our worries of buying so late because we new what was coming, it did not need a rocket scientist to know this, as it has all happened before, but we were slaughtered as doom mongers by Doddy and Co and still are now with shouts of a top ten finish would be a good season!

I thought it was all Billy Bullshit's fault but, now Moyes has owned up too, he deserves his stick as the balance in the squad is shocking. We had Rodwell, Cahill and Vaughan all playing the winger at Blackburn and Anichebe has had a go too, it's just a fucking disgrace.

The man who has bragged of getting all these players on long-term contracts cannot manage to sign his and we wonder why some of the players don't look interested? Either sign up soon or fuck off.

Dave Wilson, you hit the nail on the head. Where would he go? Newcastle, and it would appear he thinks he is better than he is, I have always thought this when he has constantly reminding us of our top ten finishes although forgets some of his worst in history acts he has made too. Don't get me wrong, I think he is still the man for us but this 'one season good, the next bad' is wearing a bit thin now.

A simple formula that seems to apply whenever Everton have a disappointing result -
Reaction from some of you out there =
1) Slag off Moyes
2) Slag off Kenwright
3) Slag off Neville
4) Slag off Moyes + Kenwright
5) Slag off Moyes + Kenwright + Neville

In the early part of last season our form was not brilliant - good result then bad result for a few games. We seemed to hit form and put together a good run when we started to get our injured players back e.g. Cahill and Jagielka had a settled position in the back four. You don?t need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out that this was no coincidence.

Let?s just be a little bit more patient ? our result at Blackburn wasn?t what we wanted ? it wasn?t a good performance. But look at Aston Villa?s result at home to QPR from the Championship and Man City going out at Brighton.

Some Evertonians seem to hit the panic button too early. Let?s cut Moyes a bit of slack ? it?s early days yet as regards this season. To read some of the comments some of you sound like Newcastle fans ? patience please. In the real world quick fix solutions often don?t bring the best results in the long term. Ask the Geordies!!

All this negativity just before we play the redshite!!! Let's get behind them rather than whinging.

I think DM will sign the contract either today or tomorrow to get one over them before the game.
COYB

Paul - ".......his one season good the next bad are wearing thin ......."
Have you been on a desert island or something the last couple of seasons ?
2006-07: 6th qualified for Uefa Cup
2007-08: 5th qulified for Uefa Cup
Also Semi-Final in Carling Cup and last 16 of Uefa Cup.

End this nonsense now! Moyes is going nowhere and why should he? Without doubt our best manager in modern times with a Chairman who has implacable faith in him, he is just tidying up the loose ends of a new 5-year contract.

Whilst some Evertonians will accept nothing less that the Prem title (and probably Champions Cup as well!), the reality is a regular top half finish is brilliant with our resources and David has proved he can give us this on a regular basis.

He is here for the duration ?and so should it be!

I can?t believe people are still asking who we could replace Moyes with, he has done well but he is not irreplaceable. I?ve seen the names of Guus Hiddink and Luis van Gaal mentioned, and they are both excellent managers whose abilites far exceed that of Moyes. Like many are saying, Moyes is starting to believe his own hype, and it has to be said: no manager or player is greater than our club.

Karl Winstanley wrote "Richard Harris.... it?s from an ex-Everton player himself actually". I don?t disagree that David Moyes may believe that he could be the manager of Manchester United or that this fact comes from a reliable source but the reality is very different!! Why would one of the biggest and high profile football clubs in the world with an unrivaled recent domestic record want to employ a manager that hasn?t yet won anything?

Now we all know that David Moyes steadied the ship and apart from the lowest points total season, he has achieved beyond our means but most of the football on offer is safety first and when it goes wrong it?d hardly inspiring! He is admired by his fellow professionals for his integrity and success on a budget but he still hasn?t won anything after 10 years in management.

When Alex Ferguson came to Manchester United (in the days when managers were given more time to achieve success) he had already won three league titles (breaking the old firm stranglehold), four Scottish FA Cups, one Scottish League Cup and the UEFA Cup Winners Cup with Aberdeen. Then if you add his record with Manchester United and ask why David Moyes would be the next Manchester United manager? It will just not happen.........

All this talk of Moyes wanting to or going to join ManU, is way off the mark there is no way he is good enough to manage them. His next club will be Celtic and it will be written into his contract that he can leave when they come calling. I have just had a about enough of him to be honest get rid and replace him with someone with ambition for OUR club.......Irivine + Stubbs.......Billic + Carsley, and get Lescott to fuck while they are at it, if he thinks he is too good for us let him go and sign for Rangers or Spurs...haha

Michael I knew that when I was writing it and yes he broke the mould once last year but get beat on Thursday and I would regard this season as on it?s way to getting back to the mould.

I have said before he is the right man still and has done a good job at the club, but some people think he is immortal and after six years in charge I expect developement each year not shite that a top ten finish is a success.

Paul - the odds are against us for Thursday night's game as Standard Liege have the away goals advantage. But if the worst comes to the worst the season doesn?t end next Thursday. There will still be a lot to play for.

It’s a fair point to ask whether Moyes has taken us as far as he can, but I really can’t see who can take us any further without fresh investment.