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Moyes out!
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I see from a number of threads that people are begininng to call for the head of Moyes. All I can say is keep it up, let's really start calling for his departure. One more bad result and he has to go, I say!!!!!
Everytime this happens (normally in a pre season) and you lot start saying shit like this he pulls it around and we start winning games. Moyes out? You're having a laugh.
Craig Taylor, Posted 26/09/2008 at 13:15:50
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Bill must be laughin his socks off... along comes a few dodgy results and period of dodgy play and all of a sudden he?s in the clear again... Even though he?s the root cause of the problem.
I get it now... the cheesy grin, the bag puss like disposition... he?s a bloody cat ? 9 lives an all that!
Don?t be so patronising to your fellow Evertonians. Living in Leicester, do you go the game much? If you did, you?d realise why people are calling for Moyes?s head. The standard of football we play is very very poor. I feel our results are now matching the way we?ve been playing for a long time. If it?s just results you want then stay at home and just listen to Paul Merson?s report on the game but if you bother to go to Goodison you?d realise a fresh approach is needed to make us play football that people actually want to watch.
There have been threads where people criticise Match of the Day or other sections of the media because of the poor coverage we get. Well it?s simple, we?re shit to watch and the media aren?t interested in us because of that. And that is Moyes?s fault so fuck off Moyes.
I understand your frustration. The majority barring Doddy are frustrated.
But I?ll pose a question to you. Who would you see as a able replacement. I want you to be realistic in the type of manager that would come to a club, with no funds and Everton's standings in the world?
Personally, I?d like Moyes to stay. But that's just me.
1. We are no closer to getting CL and we will be lucky to make top 10 this season
2. We play shite football/His tactics are limited
3. Moyes has not/will not sign a new contract
4. I honestly believe he thinks he has outgrown us and deserves bigger and better.
5. He is a miserable fucker whose demeanour of late stinks.
7 out of 15 points considering our squad at the start is satisfactory (queue the ?I can?t believe you settle for satisfactory? toss pots).
Knocked out of the LC away to a solid Prem team is no reason for concern, and we outplayed Liege in the first leg.
Under Moyes we?re not going to play like Arsenal, get over it.
And nothing the man has done has warranted any sackings. Going by Moyes? start half the Prem managers need sacking including Alex Ferguson... I don?t know, maybe it?s not worth replying to people who do want him sacked, they?ll change their mind anyway soon enough.
Alan Irvine potentially.... Oh well at least we wouldn't end up with Joe Kinnear... yet!
He has us competing again.
He raised the standards.
This years team is better (on paper) than last years.
IMWT
Although it is really is upto the players to stand up, be counted and start fighting from the kick off, as opposed to waiting till we’re a goal (or two) down!
I?ve checked it out in the last couple of weeks but if anything things have got worse. I can only conclude than EFC have nearly as large a contingent of delusional arseholes as Newcastle!
Anyone recommend a website for Everton SUPPORTERS?
7 years = 0 trophies.
Not good enough.
Moyes is a good manager. I just feel he has had a lot to deal with of late. Once he gets over this everything will be fine and we will not finish out of the top six. Get off his back and suppport him.
Some of you have got very short memories, Moyes in the last six or so years has brought us on in leaps and bounds and yet some of you choose to be ignorant and only think of the last six or so games. Yes we haven?t hit the ground running this season but that's understandable considering the summer we've had and key players missing from the start due to injury but once everyone is back and FIT we?ll hopefully kick on and start to show the form that we did in are unbeaten run of last season were we played some of our best stuff for years!
Just a thought, if Moyesy leads us to another memorable derby victory tomorrow, will all you that want Moyes out be of the same opinion?!!! IMWT!!!!
I am guessing you mean supporters who express an opinion that is different from yours.
Unfortunately I for one will continue to be a "delusional arsehole? sorry pal.
The hoofball Moyes employs is sickening to watch as an Evertonian. In 6 years we’ve still only about 3 players in the team with any composure on the ball.
That?s exactly we we need to be like. How come they won?t tollerate an ounce mediocrity, they will happily protest and sack a manager if they go a season without winning a trophy. Yet, a club like Everton, same type of supporters, have some of it?s followers believe that Premier League survival is good enough. That mediocre attitude, as much as anything else, permits Kenwright to hang around, permits Moyes to play shit football and permits Everton never to win a trophy. I want Everton to win the League.
Just winning the derby tomorrow is not good enough.
Act with a bit of class lads!!
When Moyes has his 1st choice 11 out, we do play decent stuff, unfortunately financial restraints make it difficult to keep that up for a full season.
Moyes has made signings to try to rectify our midfield problems of last season but they?ll take time to adapt. How do you think those players would adapt if they lost the manager that showed faith in signing them?
Losing our manager at this moment in time would be disastrous in my opinion. Let?s see where we are approaching Christmas before we go all ?Toon Army?.
Patience is a virtue, so lets show some and give Moyes (the best young manager in the PL) our support.
"I?m willing to give him time to be honest, 7 games isn?t enough time to get into his rythm, get the right balance and get players in. Especially with the farce in the summer..."
Just exactly how much time do you want to give? He?s in his SIXTH year at Everton and achieved absolutely NOTHING! His demeanour is miserable, the circumstances at the club dire - this club isn?t the New Labour Party by default is it???
Patience is a virtue, so lets show some and give Moyes (the best young manager in the PL) our support. "
Idiots, delusion arseholes - let the insults come lads - it?s you who are acting without the class called for by David Marsden. By the way, Moyes is not still the best young manager in the PL anymore - he was 110 last birthday!
Perhaps if we didn?t settle for fifth (with a bonus fourth for one season) best then we would have actually won something !! Houllier won five trophies and that wasn?t considered good enough because that didn?t include the Premiership title and the Champions League. And yet so many people try to belittle the Carling Cup as if it didn?t matter to be dumped out at the first attempt this year. The League Cup was both Houllier?s and Mourinho?s first trophy in England so it?s a good place to start!!
There?s no way that Liverpool will win a Premier League title with Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal having better teams/tactics but at least they won?t settle for a manager who hasn?t yet won anything in his career. If David Moyes doesn?t win anything this season (or at the very least doesn?t get us back into Europe via our league position) then it?s time to move on. On the other hand, perhaps we will qualify for the fair play spot in the UEFA Cup as we seem to be giving too many goals away and helping the opposition with own goals so that is very fair and gentlemanly :0)
Last season we took a while to get into the swing of things, once everything clicked we had a good season. We finished 5th and had two cup runs. It wasn’t perfect by any means but it was good good consistent season.
Bar the top four managers not many have achived much to be honest, shall everyone sack there managers and start again. No they shouldn’t.
I’m just being realistic Stephen, there is no way Moyes will be sacked after 7 games, not a chance at all. If we’s lost every game then maybe but that’s far from the case.
We’ve had an inconsistent start, there is lots of time to get better and improve.
To be fair, the average lifespan of a Toon manager is about nine months. Moyes is now one of the longest serving managers in the Premiership. I’d wager the ones that have been in post longer have actually won something. Anyone who thinks Everton are on the brink of something big needs to get their medication levels checked.
I said this before Everton’s purple patch last year where we somehow got into the UEFA cup, that I don’t like the football Everton play under his tutelage and that I’d like to see a change. Given the financial situation in the EPL there is less than a cat in hell’s chance of getting into Europe this term unless we somehow win the UEFA cup.
Time for a change I think. Should we have a couple of bad results and get dumped out by Liege, I’d like to see him get the chop. One problem though is that Moyes’ fate is inextricably linked with that of Kenwright. Unless the chairman miraculously goes, I can see Moyes getting paid whatever he likes for the foreseeable.
Martin O’Neil like Moyes has always been a percentages manager. Hoof it up, knock it down and the flair/creative players pick up the pieces. Very similar managers in terms of style to be honest.
They’ve got more pace, we’ve got more creativity, not much difference at all. We play a similar brand of football.
Call yerselves supporters, I ask you !
But where would the unbounded optimism come from then ? That would just leave us cynics and school of science purists :0) Maybe I was spoilt as a child by seeing the Holy Trinity in action and believing that this was the Everton way.......
Anything to oblige Doddy. I?ll support the team until my dying day, but like a good gardener who prunes the dead-wood for the sake of the vine, I want to see Moyes out, so Everton can improve.
Do I take that as a final "farewell" from you Richard?
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Can someone please answer me this: what do most Evertonians class as progress? We finished 4th and since then finished 17th, 6th and 5th, so that’s not progress. I very much doubt we’ll finish 5th again this season so that’s another step backwards. How long do we persevere?
Good riddance Dodd!
And why won?t he sign any wide players? We?ve only really got Pienaar, because Arteta and Osman are central midfielders. And why has he gave Phil Neville a four-year contract? He?s got a screw lose somewhere if you ask me. The majority of us fans could have planned for the start of the season better than Moyes did.
The captain cannot lead - though hand picked by Moyes and handed another long contract - he has to be the worst guy out there and yet seems to be the first name on the teamsheet. That's Moyes, no argument.
No decent cup runs (don't give me last year's Carling Cup - we had a bye in the 2nd round or would have gone out then like usual). That?s Moyes, no argument.
When contract signed, Moyes will be the 4th best paid manager in the league. Will he produce the 4th best side??? Surely, please, we can judge Moyes on this, he is not, as some blues believe, the untouchable bullet-proof Messiah. He is a distinctly average, albeit sometimes fortuitous, manager.
This is Moyes's hoofball and I for one will not pay to watch it.
That is why I have not renewed my season tickets for myself and my son.
Moyes is the most successful manager outside the Sky Four in the past five years. Let’s get real.
Howard
Hibbert
Yobo
Jagielka
Lescott
Osman
Fellaini
Neville
Arteta
Cahill
Yakubu
He’s usually very reliable, he’s got the last 5/6 teams selections spot on.
COYB
He is nowhere near Catterick and Kendall as they both won trophies and League Championships and I seem to remember a manager named Joe Royle who won our last trophy and surely Joe loves the club more than David Moyes? Joe was also a great Everton player and David Moyes was never in the same league as a player. How many more years does David Moyes have to bring success (that is actually winning something) to the club?
In terms of finances (whether higher turnover, richer investor or a combination) there are at least 8 clubs in a better position than us. Up against those clubs with more money, Moyes has guided us to 4 top 7 finishes in 6 years.
I was considering going on but I?m not going to give the idiotic notion of sacking Moyes any more credit.
IMWT
Like Everton, Aberdeen have spent the last few seasons challenging for Uefa Cup places one year and finishing mid table the next but throughout this time we?ve had no real relegation fears and the club is progressing. This season has started off poorly and we?re out of the scottish league cup after two rounds and the fans are becoming restless. The main point with both teams is that progression has been made throughout this time but with the large amounts of money flying around it will always be hard to compete with the Celtic, Rangers, Man Utd?s and Chelsea?s of this world.
Stability and a level headed approach is needed and both Calderwood and Moyes bring this, stick with them for the time being and allow them both to work within the resources available. Think back to the nineties and remember the grass is not always greener on the other side.
It?s pretty much been Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man U in every way except the odd CCC or FAcup going somewhere else sporadically.
No other outside top 4 except Pompey have won the FA Cup in this millennium (am I right?) and for the ccc it?s been a bit more (Boro, Spurs, Blackburn and Leicester ? Would you want to swap place with any of those?)
So the he?s not won anything argument is slating alot of current and past Premier League managers some of you lot would kill to have.
Really, you moaners just won’’t know what you’ve lost until he’s gone.
Rest assured, I have it on good authority that our excellent manager and hard-working Everton through-and-through chairman won?t mind if you bugger off
Mind you, I?ll miss your conterbalance to the real world (a wee bit).
I can see us losing tomorrow and then in Europe and him going "see ya!!"
I cant believe people are calling for his head on here, have you not read what’s been happening at Newastle United?? Do we really want to end up in that position?? Christ I hope not!!
There was an efc long before him and there will be one long after him. I want him signed but it should be an honour and a priviledge to be our manager and the sooner he remembers that thebetter.
Look forward to some very happy posters tomorrow afternoon!
Who the fuck would we get who would do a better job?????
Compared to the multimillions that the RS have pissed against the wall, David Moyes has produced incredible results from a few quid. He’s good, but he doesn’t walk on water. If EFC was an entirely different club - like New City perhaps - then we might need an entirely new kind of manager - sorry, coach.
The faithful need to make up their minds about what kind of club they want to support.
The biggest problem for me is the style of football. It's shite to be polite. Over 6 years he has had been in charge and the football is still shite. His substitutions are for the most part clueless. I remember first asking questions when we played Spurs at home a couple of seasons back, 1-1 with ten minutes to go and he put on more defenders. I'll put my neck on the line and say I would rather see us fight for the 3 points than even attempt to settle for one, at home, against a team at our level. Arsenal, United, the shite, maybe, Spurs, City, Villa, Portsmouth etc NO!
All to often am I, and, others are walking away from Goodison after the game thinking how abject the football is.
No matter how you look at it, it's Moyes who has bought these players, it's Moyes who trains them all week, it's Moyes who barks orders at the sidelines, Moyes is responsible.
Nottingham Forrest stuck by Brian Clough, who won them European Cups/leagues etc and look what happened to them in the end. 2005 was 3 years ago and he has done nothing in my mind to build on that.
The pre-season after we got in the CL he dithered in the transfer market, and apparently had Robbie Keane at Goodison, but wouldn't break the wages barrier to snap him up. We ended up with Van der Meyde! He stated all pre-season he had money to spend (the truth of which we will never really know). So why leave it to the last minute to sign a journeyman keeper and a player who had played less than 80 games in Belgium, for £15 million?
The next 2 games are critical, lose heavily to them, and go out of Europe then I can see the crowd really asking some questions.
There have been people trying to compare us sacking Moyes to Newcastle offloading managers. 6 years is not to be confused with 6 months!
Couldn?t happen?
It?s a crazy idea I know , but they can?t continue to spend crazy money chasing the holy grail - and DM has ambitions of being in the CL on a regular basis.
It would be interesting but not something I personally would like to see.
And do you really believe that someone else would all of sudden get Lescott to morph back into the player from last year, to get Arteta to suddenly be able to beat the first man with a free kick or corner etc etc, don?t be stupid. Point the fingers where they need to be pointed first and that?s at the players on the pitch who last season where a darn sight better than they have been so far. If Kenwright had got his act together and sold the club or brought in significant investment then we would have been able to have bought more players to bring in when people don?t perform, but he didn?t, so point a finger at him before Moyes.
We are what we are, and with the crap Moyes has had to put up with from the higher ups and the "limited" budgets compared to other so called top clubs over the past god knows how many seasons, he?s done the only job that you could expect. Anyone who thinks that someone else could have got us into the top 4 with the same resources Moyes has had over the past 7 years is a complete numbnuts! Stop your complaining and get behind them going into the Derby...save your sack the manager garbage till seasons end at least! More turmoil is just what we don?t need at this time.
Should have got Joe Kinnear!!!!!!!!!
Do you honestly think we would be discussing this thread if Moysey had been given the backing when he obviously needed it most...at the beginning of the transfer window.
COYB
Does anybody remember the situation that we were in when the man took over? He has changed us from a team that fought relegation to one that consistently qualifies for Eurpoean competetion. Last year we finished 5th behind 4 other teams that have spent 100s illions pounds more than us.
His transfer records stands up against any of the top 4 managers. Lescott, Cahill, Yak, Valente, Jags, Yobo, Arteta... What are they worth now? £4 million profit on AJ replaced with a better goalscorer for £2.5 million in Saha.
You will only realise how good a manager he is when you morons drive him out. The same morons that scream at Neville and Arteta each week telling them they are shit. Idiots who have no knowledge of football!
The time Moyes should have received transfer backing was in JANUARY not in June when we were on a roll but getting tired and about to lose key players to the AFCON.
And what did he get instead? Instructions to SELL bloody McFadden. That was the root of our recent decline, why he still hasnt signed, and why we havent been playing well.
Because BK and the board managed to fuck our momentum, our confidence and our BELIEF.
As for this season, we had really bad luck losing Piennar and Obinna in the same week as i believe that type of player could have made a monster difference to our football but here’s hoping that is soon rectified.
In fact today at 12.45 would be a good start...
COYFB
COYB
Shit to watch my arse lad. From a neutrals perspective most of our matches have been very exciting this season.
The season we finished 17th he had so much stick I’m surprised he stayed loyal to us, and the last 2 seasons have been progress. This one is off to a dodgy start, but its not as awful as that, so we can definately turn it around.
FFS lets get behind the lads and get them up for the big one today.
Sorry skippy but if you are going to sit in the land of Oz "laughing" and "crying" over EFC and calling for the head of our best manager since Kendall then I would tell you to go get a life or fellate a wombat or something.
I was not saying non-match attending or foreign based fans are lesser in any way, i’m trying to express my belief that TW is actually a place where a handful of negative types have successfully taken over, but it is in no way an accurate barometer of how the majority feel towards the club or the manager.
So my over-sensitive antipodean blue brother, enjoy the game today and help cheer Moyesy and the blues on to victory. You’ll be with the majority.
G’day
Simon, like Everton, Aberdeen are not the biggest club in the league and probably won?t win much each season if anything at all. Like Everton we?ve had good and bad times and have a proud history, I?m fully aware of the history of both clubs. Aberdeen?s gates are generally higher than the scottish leagues average apart from Celtic and Rangers and even during Fergie?s years they generally were no higher than they are now apart from the odd european game, cup final and big league game.League gates don?t make clubs big just ask Newcastle. Tell me your how you gauge a footballing pedigree because if it?s on honours then the 1983 Cup Winners Cup Win and the 1983 European Super Cup win and the 1984 European Cup Winners Cup semi final and the 1985 European Cup quarter final probably puts us ahead of the majority of England?s "big" clubs. I could go on!!
I?ll say it once again we are Scotland?s Everton as Celtic are the Man Utd of Scotland.
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We saw that last season, after the Metalist home game everyone wanted him out, Tony Marsh came out with all his top quality articles and it was all doom and gloom.
Moyes and the players found that balance and we pushed on. It can happen again this season, I hope it does anyway.
I’m as pissed off as everyone with the team, manager and Kenwright etc but it’s only early. Things can be changed and I’m sure they will.