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"Mikel Arteta returned from the illness" you're joking right? He's still ill, 3 corners or free kicks that can't even make it into the mix.
Where the hell is the defence, do we really have 8 players on the ground as it looks from the TV.
You know you stay up till 3am NZ time to watch this rubbish. The closest chance we get Yakubu decides to go for an Oscar - tosser. And is Fellaini a defensive midfielder or a defensive attacker - he seems lost in the role Moyes has given him.
Paul Le Comte, Posted 28/09/2008 at 14:11:36
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Cahill is not right in the head. I wondered if he got a straight red for dissent. The ref was calling him back but he wouldn?t come. He?d raised a hand 5 minutes earlier.
Oh, could someone please tell me what Steve Round does as it?s obviously nothing to do with coaching.
God help our season; Liege will beat us at this rate and we'll do well to finish top ten as the football we are playing is pathetic. Moyes, what is going on?
We’re garbage and the season is as good as over.
A monumental farce of a preseason. Very disappointing.
I am not going to carp on any longer about our impregnably bird-brained long-ball tactics; it has gone beyond embarrassing and leaps straight into Dead Zone territory. It?s as if the boys are scared to even carry the ball forward.
It?s really sad to see the comparisons between the two clubs today. Even during the moribund Nineties, you could count on the Derby as the one yardstick Everton would never fail at: on effort, endeavor and simple pride.
Today, it?s safety-first, hoof-ball forward. It?s been like this for quite some time. AJ was right; you can?t win anything with a PASS FROM LONG DISTANCE. :(
We do not seem to have a clue what to do. God help us for the rest of the season; however, I will still be watching every game I can.
We will wait for the positives from the powers that be that they will no doubt take from the game after we went down to 10 men. Don?t waste your breath lads.
DM, go back to the lower leagues and strut your stuff, pal, cos I have seen enough. 4 million pound contract. I would not pay you in washers "son" as Andy Gray says. Get Alan Irvine back and we may stay up if we are lucky.
Pretty awful. Hoof ball for 75 minutes to the Yak. God help us. Don?t blame Billy Bullshit for that load of nonsense. The beer is cold and it still nice and cold but the sour taste of the performance won't go away. We deserve better than this!
Moysey needs to realise that if you want to win a match you HAVE TO FUCKING SCORE!!!! 4-5-1, you can shove it up your arse. The worst thing Black Bill can do now is keep Moyseys contract on the table - PUT IT IN THE BIN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone think we should be another "seasoned international" with long-ball experience?
Hibbert did ok I thought, which was surprising, and it was his first game back. Neville in midfield? Castillo on the bench? Bizarre.
Was hoping to see something a little more adventurous from Moyes today as we’ve generally looked our best in the second half of games when we jib the 4-5-1 off and go a bit more straight up.
Today there was no fight, no passion, no urgency. The whole team looked as apathetic as my little brother when faced with a mountain of homework. At the end of the day if you cant put your foot in during a derby then you shouldn’t be playing.
Yak - embarrasing dive. Bottles being thrown from the crowd - pathetic, considering I was bashing the Liege fans for the same thing last week.
Pull your finger out, all losses at home this season and something needs to change before its too late.
Perhaps the most galling is that had we played half decent we could have won the games because THEY were really nothing that special.
Unfortunately we were so bad they didn’t have to be any good to beat us....
Pig sick.
I?m gonna get rid of everything that links me to this club, it is destroying me and my life. I wish all you bluebloods all the luck in the world but I can?t go on... enough is enough. I?m moving to the country and hopefully away from the bullshit.
I can?t even bear to think of the hammering I?m gonna get at work, from now on no more football. So good luck and may your god be with you.
C?mon Tony give us your thoughts. Nobody is gonna argue with you after that load of shite (unfortunately red).
We live in hope!
Fucking shambles.
Anyone will do ? he won?t sign his contract, so give it to someone who wants it.
Fuck Sky and the foreign owners allowed in by the FA. British Football as we used to know it is dead. Everton based on a lack of investment are dying as a Premier League club.
You obviously can accept what we have just witnessed.
Love the short response.
Obviously nothing more that you can add.
It's not about lack of investments. It's about the long balls and clueless/pathetic tactics. We were lucky last season as the defence somehow stayed formidable.
Jags and Fellaini looked to be our only 2 central players.
I can?t see what is so bad about Fellaini at all. Two-footed and keeps th ball ? needs someone next to him as a driving force.
WTF HAPPENED AFTER THE INTERVAL????????????
You obviously did not see the game, or the previous 2. If you did, than I really worry about peoples ability to comment on the game, because clearly fella, that is nonsense!
He is not up to it, and we need to admit it and put him on the bench.
Simple as that.
Here?s a clue about my thoughts on everything that is Everton FC: I?m firmly in the Tony Marsh camp.
He will claim to have taken us as far as he can without massive investment - and I probably agree now having watched hoofball for 93 minutes.
Thanks for the glimpses of hope every so often Davey. Shame we wasted this summer’s opportunity.
Oh well, bring on Standrad Liege ; )
The summer transfer farce is beginning to take effect and sadly it looks as if DM either isn?t able or can?t be bothered to make things work. Regardless of the £15M price tag, the young lad is still a good prospect but I can see DM ruining him like Beattie and AJ. DM seems to have other things on his mind... Old Trafford, perhaps? BK needs to spend some time in a psych unit to reestablish a grip on reality.
Time for a change, at board level and sadly at managerial level.
Fellaini is shite, end of. He just watched the game pass him by and strolled around doing absolutely fuck all. To those who thought he did alright, you must be mental ? £15M? Do me a fuckin favour! Leige must be pissing themselves...
Our season?ll be over on Thursday when we get dumped out the Uefa Cup. Moyes?ll be off, maybe not on Thurs/Fri but he defo won?t sign and he?ll go at the end of the season.
When the game was clearly going badly, why on earth did Moyes leave it until after they had scored twice to bring on Saha? Either we simply do not have the quality to give them a game, or he?s now proved himself to be tactically very inept. I can?t quite decide which it is...
"Who are ya, who are ya, who are ya" to Torres with 30 minutes to go? Who are these idiots that go the home games?
Fucking shambles and gutless display. By the way Fellaini is absolutely shit and he can?t be arsed.
But the tactics, turning good players into bad / average ones, clueless tactics, fear, safety first and come every Derby our team sits back shitting themselves instead of having a good go at them (like the Kendall and Royle teams, Christ even Dave Watson managed us for a Derby after Royle left and Watson?s team showed more bottle in a Derby than a Moyes team).
Not usually so angry with Moyes, but today, after yet another pathetic showing against an average Liverpool side, I hope Moyes doesn?t sign the new contract. I hope he?s gone at the end of the season.
We need a change. We have good players but the tactics are stifling / strangling them to death.
This hurts so bad it?s unreal.
All those factors taken into consideration leads me to one conclusion;
MOYES MUST GO.
I never thought I would say that but today is the last straw.
Sack him now before he signs the contract as we will then have to pay him compensation when we sack him after Christmas cos we are in the bottom three.
Lads seriously "calm down" :-)
Everton weren?t ?poor? today.... Liverpool just played better. That doesn?t mean Everton played poorly.
First half the Everton defence was very solid. Every ball was getting an Everton head or toe on it in the final third. Some shocking final balls from Liverpool probably helped there. Yobo and Jags had Torres in their pocket. You could see Torres getting more and more frustrated as the Everton defence was getting physical with him. Liverpool did have more chances in the first half, but couldn?t put them away. Everton had a couple as well, but I think both teams didn?t even have a shot on target in the first half. Stalemate up to that point.
Second half, Liverpool seemed a lot more up for it than Everton did. 2 stupid defensive errors caused Everton 2 goals in pretty quick succession. Nobody picking up Torres and he had loads of time for both goals. Osman just gave up for the first one.. He saw him about 10 yards ahead but just stopped...
Saha coming on gave Everton a lot more attacking options (I reckon we should have started with a 4-4-2) and we did get into the box and created some chances after his entrance. Just as we were getting some luck and looked like we might have got something good going in midfield and attack.... Mike ?fuckin? Riley pulls another clanger.... Red card for Cahill. I?m sorry, but there was no way that was a straight red card. It was a tough tackle and he didn?t win the ball. It was a yellow card at most...
With 10 mins left Everton still had some sort of chance of getting 1 back and making it an interesting last few mins for the equaliser. Mike Riley pretty much ended any chance of that. The man is an incompetent fool. If I continuously made mistakes and bad decisions in my job like that, I?d get fired...
I just hate it when referees are the talking point of a game like he always seems to be. He didn?t let the game flow at all today. Blowing up for free-kicks which were soft (for both sides) where playing on would have been warranted...
Overall Liverpool were better on the day, but it could have been such a different story if Everton?s concentration at the back had lasted that bit longer...
As I mentioned, apart from the obvious non-marking of Torres, our defensive display today was a lot better than I?ve seen so far. Hibbert was very good. Not much got past him today.
Midfield, I would have had Castillo on instead of Neville. Neville dives in too quickly at times and then backs off at others. His decision making ability in that holding midfield role is pants...
Cahill, Arteta, Fellaini and Osman were ok today. Arteta was getting stuck in and played well. His delivery from a couple of free kicks and corners was poor. He needs to practise on that. Fellaini needs time to adjust to the pace of the premier league. At times he was very confident on the ball and made great passes. At other times he didn?t look up at all. Fair play to him though, he was getting the tackles in and winning balls... Osman played ok. For me, he should have been tracking Torres for the first goal.
The Yak, couldn?t really do much today with the service he was getting. He got into the game a lot more when Saha came on. Surely Moyes has to realise that a 4-4-2 with Yak and Saha is the way to go now..
Oh well... Uefa Cup game to win on Thursday, then Newcastle at home! Hopefully that will be 2 wins! Onwards and upwards!
We will go out on Thursday, and then its fucking Newcastle. Don't you just know we will crumble against the only team in a supposedly worse state than us, and we?ve missed out on Joe Kinnear!!!
The Cahill sending off? If it was for not going to Riley then why did he go and Ashley Cole (who plays for the Sky 4) didn't? Let's not go there with Riley?
I?m certainly NOT going again for a while as I can?t justify spending money to watch that pile of shite. I knew this would happen & have been posting as much since the early summer, only to be shot at by the ?calm downers?. However, even I am shocked by how much Kenwright & Moyes have thrown away & utterly wasted the oppurtunity last season?s finish gave us.
As of now, we are in a relegation fight & that is a FACT as I can?t think of three worse teams than us at the moment.
Kenwright, take the contract off the table & sell the club NOW!
Moyes if you are as good as you, your agent & your media budies think you are (BIG 4 manager, You?re having a laugh!) then sort it out or fuck off to Newcastle or Celtic!
We never had one shot on target, Reina must have been bored shitless. I would say that we were pretty bad judging by that!!!
Dark days ahead.....
I listend to Andy Gray and all the other Liverpool hype machine pundits go on about how great the red shite are and how Everton might cause an upset but unlikely (A draw would be good, one dickhead said). Before the match even started I was pissed off because I want to support the team that's likely to win and I want to support the team that plays this thing called good, eye-catching football.
The first half I was pleased we were level and still in it, but ? reality check: I was fuming because it was the same crap we have witnessed for the last god knows how long and let's be honest we all new what was gonna happen in the second half.
Enough of what happend. I have supported Moyes fully and have buzzed off some of the great games we've had under him, but it's never lasted and, even getting 4th and 5th etc, it's not been persistently good football, it's been mostly dire. Well, that love for Moyes has gone and I'm now fully agreed we have been found out. I don't want dire football and inept tactics anymore, I want to be the ones that are expected to win and expected to play the good football.
Investment, new manager, change of tactics, clear out, let's get it sorted asap and see some hope, some light at the end of the tunnel ? not a few one-nil wins and we have turned it round. Time's up Kenwright, Moyes, Neville and anyone else who wants to punt this club futher up in the air.
"Everton weren?t ?poor? today"
Are you for real lad?
Are you seriously happy with that performance!? Good grief...
These players have played enough times together. We have now resorted to hoofball, bad tactics, players out of position, players not motivated. I?m afraid DM will need to start looking for another job!
As for comments about Cahill, there was barely any contact. Alonso made a meal of it and Riley bought it ? not even sure it warranted a Yellow to be honest; disgraceful decision and one we must surely appeal.
Today was a day more than ever that we missed a player like Carsley. Moyes I?m afraid failed miserably tactically ? he now seems to have adopted the idea that Fellaini and Castillo cannot play together... god help us if he continues with this approach as what we need now is for these two to play together regularly even if our results suffer in the short term. Eventually they will develop an understanding but it will take time.
What we simply cannot do is resort back to Neville in midfield ? he?s simply awful.
I agree with you about why David Moyes lets Arteta take all our free kicks and corners. How many more of them must be wasted before our manager recognises what every man and his dog has known for ages?
Osman's performance was exactly as I thought it would be and summed up best as pathetic. The lad tries to compete but, when push comes to shove, he disappears.
As the game progressed it became blindingly obvious that, while Liverpool were attacking in numbers, our lone striker was facing a lonesome losing battle.
Of course I?m not happy with the result.... I?m just pointing out to the doom and gloom merchants that on the day we were beaten by a better team.. End of story.
We are improving, but as I mentioned, Moyes now needs to take the bull by the horns and play a 4-4-2.
For the first time in my life today I actually agreed with Jamie Redknapp in that Cahill?s suspension looks like it will force Moyes hand into playing with 2 up front and using 2 central midfielders (Castillo and Felliani)...
For me he was possibly the only one out there on our side that tried to pass the ball on the odd occasion that he had possession, the fact that his team mates were skying the ball over his head makes him look bad and it?s really not fair to be having a pop at the lad for that.
Okay, so a lot of his passes didn?t come off and he ended up losing possession a number of times which causes frustration but it was as nothing compared to the frustration I felt as Jags, Yobo, Lescott, Neville and Hibbert all decided that the best way to play themselves out of trouble was to howitzer the ball straight back to The Shite?s defenders.
I bet Fellaini would slip effortlessly into the Arsenal midfield, his biggest problem at Everton will be our style of play, and the lack of passing ability in our back four. Hopefully his passing intent will rub off on the others... I repeat, hopefully.
From one Evertonian to another. Take your point mate.
Sometimes frustration talks.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend.
Another day beckons
COYB
(because 3 of those midfielders were Osman, Cahill, and Neville)
If children and babies knew that the redshite would run at Hibbert on our right and test his match readiness (which wasn?t) and our tactical changes, how come Moyes didn?t know that?
(because that?s what Moyes always does - there is no reason)
If we have 2 strikers like Yak and Saha, how come we couldn?t get a shot in?
(because we didn?t have a midfield capable of getting the ball to them)
If the game is being refereed by Wiley, how could we expect anything else about the cards?
(we didn?t - and while I wouldn?t call him a bastard he sets the standard for why kissing cousins shouldn?t).
If Moyes doesn?t want to sign his contract, why is he still here?
(fucked if I know)
I think Fellaini will slot into our midfield soon enough. It was encouraging to see him at the end demanding the ball from defence to stop the likes of Jags & Yobo launching it straight to Carragher & co. I believe his big problem at the start of his career here is the communication barrier, that will sort itself - but we may have to ride some tough times first!!
Finally the Cahill challenge was never a red! I think Cahill was frustrated after being fouled by Aurelio a couple of mins before and obviously the score line didn’t help. I hate the way though when Cahill was fouled by Aurelio no real Everton players protested (the right way) and yet virtually every Liverpool player kicked off over the Alonso challenge.
I expected the tonking so the result doesnt hurt me as much as it used to (or should do), these days its something I just accept is going to happen...which is a bit like the attitude Moyes seems to have when preparing the team. He's often been quoted talking about making this club great again but to me he shows no ambition in his team selections or tactics.
You just cannot hoof and concede possesion like we did and expect to hold out against a quality attack. Neville I'm afraid was useless again in midfield, he was never in the right position and hardly ever put his foot in when in midfield. Fellaini must wonder what the hell he has let himself in for. He showed a few good touches for a big fella I thought but I think he would be best suited sitting in front of the back four rather than Neville... at least he attempts to pass to feet.
"... but the football on display was rank...."
Moyes has got to GO! This is embarrassing.
I think he has turned us around since he arrived and we’ve played some of the most exciting games I have ever seen since he took charge.
BUT;
If we do not Destroy Standard Liege, I will personally be on here calling for Moyes’ head. Things have got bad. Very bad.
Our one glimmer of hope is this: we have started seasons badly and come good before.
Maybe our defenders will start defending after a few games.
I was also the one who (admitedly slightly tounge-in-cheek) was calling for us to look to off load Fellaini straight away.
AND, yes, he was rubbish again today, but I do get it now. I CAN see the potential there. He’s big strong and can pass/shoot/tackle but you lot will probably just have to trust me on that as he has shown that he COULD do all of these even if he’s not proved it yet.
Oh, and Saha must start all games, looked really lively.
I know you will all say "I give up on everton. Fuck the rest of the season, can’t watch any more"
But lets be real lads.
You won’t. You’ll be back next week. So will I. So lets take these glimmers of hope and try to re-inject some much needed positivity into our begrudgingly beloved club.
Suckers aren’t we?
I blame the manager, those defenders looked like they had been instructed to play like that today. I feel sorry for the fans at the game who had to pay to watch that. If I was David Moyes I’d be ashamed to serve up shite like that in front of 40,000, absolutely disgraceful.
Which point are you referring to as tongue in cheek?
Why did I buy a season ticket??!! It?s unbelievable that Moyes throws Hibbert back in at the first chance he gets, because he can?t wait to put his superstar captain into midfield. What must Castillo be thinking, it must be a real psychological blow to him to find out that the manager thinks Phil Neville is a better midfielder than you! If Moyes does go, I?m sure Neville will too! Can?t wait to see the back of him. The first name on the team sheet, hopefully not for much longer.
On view today were two types of tactics, the first saw Liverpool retain the ball and be patient relying on player movement to progress up the pitch (football). The other tactic ? if you could call it that ? was to launch the ball from the defence and let 1 striker for most of the game compete for scraps against 4 defenders (Blue square premier). As an extremely lone striker rightly gets cheesed off with having to do the dogging training all game, the ball is given back to the opposition and then (see tactic 1) the ball is retained easily.
Awful performance today with the only positive being that it was only 2-0. 6½ years in charge of the club and people are still defending this negative shit, "they need time to gel", "language barriers" and all the other shit I have read. Look at today's team and ask yourself how one new player in a team with 10 from last season cannot play football whatsoever and then tell me they need to gel, WTF!
As David Beckham might say "the tic tacs are woeful". Please feel free to enlighten me...
The rest of the team were awful, the tactics were even worse. Moyes set us out wrong today and the negative tactics where awful.
He deserves all the critisism he gets today, he really does and I couldn?t disagree with any of it.
Their defence had nothing to do until Saha came on. Saha has been the only decent player in the last 2 games so why the fuck is Moyes starting him on the bench? He’s clueless.
If we’d beaten Portsmouth and Blackburn then you can argue Liverpool have better players because they have more money but we haven’t competed with any of them. And well done to the dickheads in Gladys Street chanting his name.
If we continue with these defensive tactics we will be bottom half of the table all season. We now have two of the best strikers in the Premier League and must therefore utilise what should now be our best asset ? our attack. If not, I despair.
Fellaini will take time but does look like he will come good. Unfortunately there is just not enough around him at the moment to help integrate him. You cannot expect him to dominate a game just yet ? that is just ridiculous.
This was always going to be a testing week. I think that the coming few weeks will now determine Moyes?s future. When we were getting results, negative tactics and hoofball were tolerated. If we do not qualify on Thursday and continue to stutter in the league then I can see the crowd turning against Moyes as well as Kenwright very quickly. God knows what his compensation will be if we have to sack him a couple of months into a 5-year, £17M contract will be though!
We are not exactly adrift at the moment but I really do fear that very dark times are ahead, starting on Thursday!
As I said yesterday, we have another couple of months grief before we get back to a "good" Premier League team. The thing we have to do is to make sure we stay in the 8 - 13th position in the league until then.
Sell him? Cut our losses? Why don?t we actually pass the fucking ball rather than twat it over his head?
When Tony Marsh comes on delighted in the fact we got hammered today, in all his driveling ramblings he will point out the fact that the football was shit again and for that it is all Moyes?s fault, and for once he will be right.
Either get your head back in the game, Moyes and get some pride back, or fuck off and get someone else in charge. We started like a team that would change to a 4-4-2 when we went behind. Why not, for a change, don?t we try and make the other team worry about us?
Excuse me for singling you out but I have an issue with your statement: "Moyes doesn?t program the players", what exactly does he do then? Why have a manager at any football club if the do not imprint on the players EXACTLY what they want them to do in games?
I feel the problem is that Moyes DOES program them, he programs them with negativity as that is what he is, was as a player and always will be unless he gets someone in to work with him and the players on the attacking side of their game.
One substitute brought on too late in the game tells me he was happy with what he was seeing up until that point. As for this ?bedding in? nonsense there were 10 players starting today who ALL played last season! I hope you do not see this an attack on your character but I am sick of this blindness to our tactics and play.
Moyes persists with playing Hibbo against the top 4 teams when he?s not really good enough ? Neville should be RB. Jags played well today but should play on the right side of the CH pairing ? this is one reason why he plays long balls.
Lescott clearly doesn?t want to play LB and was poor again ? play Baines there. Osman was poor today and needs to play centrally. We?re paying for a poor pre-season and the gambles not paying off. Without cover for Pienaar we lack width. Yak needs to stay on his feet and would be better with Saha with Cahill in the middle.
I?m not calling for Moyes head but if he goes, he goes. He puts too much faith in some players ? Hibbo, Neville in midfield and Lescott at left back. I don?t subscribe to some people?s views that the long balls are down to Moyes. The problem is that Yobo/Lescott/Jags aren?t comfortable enough on the ball and would rather clear it than give the ball away. Yobo should be dropped and players put in positions where they?re more comfortable.
Moyes made mistakes today and needs to get things right by making a few bold decisions but calling for his head is wrong.
I?ve defended Moyes lots on this site but not any more. A good manager would have been outraged if their chairman didn't give him money in the summer Moyes sat back. Failure to prepare ? prepare to fail ? that's what we did this summer and Moyes is to blame for the summer.
If Kenwright has lied and money wasn't available, can you see any other decent manager keeping quiet? We all hate fat Rafa but he left the shite's fans in no doubt who was to blame for the mess they were in. Moyes is too close to Kenwright if he didn't think no money being available wasn't on. As sad as I am to say it, Moyes has taken us as far has his limitations can.
Anyone else think that Moyes is starting to resemble a (I have removed the offensive term) but it?s 2 words and the first one starts with "p" and the second starts with a "t", the way he keeps going on about his contract.
The Moyes apologists need only check the record of our results against these 4 teams since 2002.
No stone unturned ? ... more like no corner left uncut!
Yes, the improvement has been there along with top 5 finish?s but thats pleasing because we have been so crap before, we need to aim higher still and ok granted investment would help but would you want David Moyes spending mega bucks? Wait for it, someone is gonna come back with "yes but look at Cahill and Lescott etc..." "So what?" I say; of course he has made some good buys on a cheap budget but he?s the manager so he should.
The thing that sums up and shows what David Moyes is all about is Phil Neville. How the hell is that man allowed to wear a Blue Shirt and captain our side? He?s in one word is useless. I cringe seeing him hoof the ball and pass to no one everygame and he?s the example to the other players (THE LEADER). Felliani looks shit because of the wasters around him, you only have to look at past footage of Standard games to see that he had players in positions wanting to play on the deck football around him not smack it to the centre forward and hope for the best.
Like someone said on a previous post, football has evolved and teams change tactically too keep up and produce performances that make results. These results are gained through good football that is attractive to the eye simple as. Hoofball, 4-5-1 ? it's the past and might get you the odd good result but tactically its poor.
I could go on and on all night but I'm becoming boring and probably beginning to piss myself off even more. Hopefully Boring Mr Moyes will do the right thing and piss off asap and let us rebuild into a footballing team.
If anyone comes back with, "Yes but who?s gonna replace him?", I'm ready with a list and reasons for so let's have it!
Now some people could blame the manager but personally.. I blame Pienaar's injury... or maybe even Van der Meyde's injury.
Osman is playing poorly now... I don't think that can be argued... and we need Pienaar on the left and shift Osman in the middle until Cahill is back. I have faith that once Pienaar is back, it wil add a bit more width, a bit more composure and a bit less hoofball!!
And we need to sort out awful defense this season!!
As I predicted, Davey set out to retain the point we started with and the defence looked re-born in the first half with Hibbo back in action. Then the defence suddenly gets amnesia and Torres has a free shot. How frustrating this must be for Davey ? a week?s work undone in a trice. You can hardly blame the manager when his players don?t carry out his instructions and he?s also entitled to be annoyed with Tim for a needless, pointless sending off.
I did, however, pick up some good news after the game. Apparently there is to be a final, final meeting on the contract after Thursday?s game and everyone is positive that the minor differences between the parties will then be resolved. Once all that?s sorted out, Davey will be able to concentrate all his efforts on taking us up the league - although I somehow feel we shall still have an interest in Europe as well!!
IMWT
Please tell me if I am wrong but didn't Fellaini start life as a defender and then at Liege moved to a defensive mid role? If that is right, why the hell was Neville moved to play that role? You could see that Fellaini wanted the ball from the back but all too often Jags, Hibbert, Lescott and Yobo just hoofed it through midfield... Come on, lads ? Route 1 isn't going to get us anywhere (not top bloody 4 anyway).
I personally do not think Cahill can play in a 4-4-2 and with him being suspended it could be a blessing. I would stick Arteta in the centre (his natural position) and leave Fellaini to play the DM role. Saha has to start with the YAk!! Come on, Moyes ? give it a go!!
fucking inept manager My observations of Felliani over the 93 minutes was that i thought he did ok you cant do much when the ball is lumped 70 yards over your head to the Yak surrounded by 3-4 defender.
Was a great dive well worth the yellow. Cahill gets a red for a strong tackle when minutes earlier was on the end of a heavy tackle from behind.
Fucking Riley is a complete wanker.
MOYES has lost the plot and why play Neville in midfield just dont make any sense. I am sure Vaughny would have causwed a few problems.
Nor sure we deserve this shite
"You can hardly blame the manager when his players don?t carry out his instructions"
Of course you can, it shows a clear lack of respect for Moyes from his players and he has clearly lost the dressing room.
Incidentally, what fucking instructions???? Did he ask them to play ball to feet, cos if he did then he should drop his whole back four plus Neville for doing the opposite all season long.
If I were an Everton player I would not respect Moyes either, especially if I were Saha or Castillo, both should have started the game and we all know it. His star pupil in central midfield, with Castillo on the bench, Neville is not a midfielder.
Ridiculous!!!!!
David Moyes 2002-2008.
Are you just takin the piss for the sake of it? Surely your post is meant to be taken with a pinch of salt.
In case you forgot, we were at home today, so why the fuck are you content to start with 4-5-1? The onus is on us to attack and try to win the game, not to stand back and give the shite all the time they want to pass the ball around and quite frankly take the piss out of us on our own ground.
And yes, we can blame your ginger chum. He sends the team out to follow his instructions. He must have told them to sit deep and just leather the ball anywhere. Today's performance was gutless, spineless & outright shite.
I for one don't give a flying fuck if DM signs his contract or not, he looks to have run out of ideas to me, but he knows he has people like your good self and BK who think the sun shines out of his arse. Time to wake up or fuck off, Moyes And yes, I do apprecieate the good work he has done in the past, but the last 20 games we have played have been dismal.
I have defended Moyes on here because I lay most of the blame on your hero Billy Bullshit for all his deceipt but today when we had the opportunity and apparent desire in the players we play with 10 men in our own half for much of the game giving their MF the opportunity to pick us off.
And no, I don't think they were the better team. They were as nervous as hell for most of the 1st half and had we put them under pressure we would have scored a couple and changed the game completely.
Moyes has got to change the sulk, believe more in the players we?ve got and give them confidence or just go before he falls on Billy Bullshit?s sword.
I think he has turned us around since he arrived and we’ve played some of the most exciting games I have ever seen since he took charge.
BUT;
If we do not Destroy Standard Liege, I will personally be on here calling for Moyes’ head. Things have got bad. Very bad.
Our one glimmer of hope is this: we have started seasons badly and come good before.
Maybe our defenders will start defending after a few games.
I was also the one who (admitedly slightly tounge-in-cheek) was calling for us to look to off load Fellaini straight away.
AND, yes, he was rubbish again today, but I do get it now. I CAN see the potential there. He’s big strong and can pass/shoot/tackle but you lot will probably just have to trust me on that as he has shown that he COULD do all of these even if he’s not proved it yet.
Oh, and Saha must start all games, looked really lively.
I know you will all say "I give up on everton. Fuck the rest of the season, can’t watch any more"
But lets be real lads.
You won’t. You’ll be back next week. So will I. So lets take these glimmers of hope and try to re-inject some much needed positivity into our begrudgingly beloved club.
Suckers aren’t we?
It's a home game.
Liverpool?s weakest players are 3 of the back 4.
If Saha is fit play him FROM THE START.
Phil Neville is NOT A MIDFIELDER.
STOP CHOKING THE TEAM WITH YOUR TACTICS.
I Just went down to local video store and saw that a DVD of today?s match in the HORROR section... and it was on sale rack at same time. Let it be mentioned that I first looked for in the COMEDY section.
Irvine leaves for PNE who are languishing near the bottom of the Championship - he takes them into the top five. Since he has gone we have performed like a relegation threatened side.
Steve Round comes in and we are still useless - in fact we are even worse.
Alan Irvine is the man - QED.
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