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Fellaini Sucks
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Move over, Per Krøldrup, enjoy your paid 4-year injury Van der Meyde ? we have a new grand champion for the worst money spent by Everton Football Club.
Broadcast his excuses all day, my mind is made up. The guy has promise but simply never could live up to his price tag. Keep in mind both our free signings, Castillo and Saha have been probably two of our best players on the pitch since putting on a Blue Jersey. His passing is ok, but he doesn't win many balls, and that's why we bought him, and his idea to pass forward was nice for half a game but now he passes back more than any other player it seems.
Cahill out jumps him, Osman wins more balls, and obviously Arteta has better ability and all three of them combined cost a quarter of him. Just think that Fellaini cost more than the Yak.
So why does Moyes play him? It's because he seems to have given up. The manager is poisoning our team spirit, and if he isn't and someone else is, BK, then it's still up to Moyes to keep that shit out of the players' minds. Did you see his reaction to Cahill's red? Which by the way was not a red, but we will never win an appeal. But Moyes's lack of reaction was shocking, could he show he's given up any more?
Someone fix this club, we have so much quality now, and yet, here we are. The season is fizzling, does anyone think it can be stopped?
Joey Brown, Posted 27/09/2008 at 14:39:47
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If we actually ever PASSED THE FUCKING BALL then I am sure he would look a lot more like a dominant CM. Truth be told he must be thinking "what is the shit? Why do they play like a pub team? Why don?t the defenders or keeper actually pas it to the midfielders?"
Yak was shit today too, but what do you all expect? Him to win his own flick-ons and beat 4 defenders after someone aimlessly hoofed it 40 yards from goal?
Fellaini isn't making us look shit, Moyes is making him look shit.
Fellaini is a perfectly good player with potential, he?s not the finished article but he?s perfectly capable and in a few years once he fills out will be quite a player.
Today he was one of the few Everton player who wanted to play, he made himself available for the back four and he was tidy in possession. Nothing special by any means but he did okay, as much as he could with the type of football Moyes had set us out to play.
Look at the way he played in Belguim and the players around him, not world beaters but they played football how it should be played. Someone?s gonna come back with, "But the Belguim league's shit." If it's that shit, how come were gonna get turned over in the away leg and they scored two at Goodison? Maybe the Standard boss might fancy a crack at the Premier League... cos Moyes doesn't.
In Moyes we trust? ? well, I used too... but not any more.
I?d like to see some of us not to be so quick to lament new signings (Yakubu last year, anyone?). Have some patience and faith.
I?ve seen him not do it several times. That is not a good sign.
He also managed to hit Carragher's arse from 4 yards when he had an entire goal to aim at, it would have been harder not to score, but he managed it.
And I was a bit stunned at his chest deflection when again it would have been easier to score, or let it run through to the Yak who was poised only to see it fly wide.
You can make excuses at £3 million, but £15 million? No.
You know my idea on the price tag Brian, I don?t think he is worth it and I never have done. I just hope people don?t hold that against him, it?s not his fault we paid £15 million for him.
There?s is a very decent player in there though, he should be given a fair chance like everyone.
On Castillo, I’d have played him also but he’s more defensive than Fellaini. Him playing probably would have made us play even deeper.
Shall we look at some of the more experienced players Osman never once found a blue shirt, Lescott just does not look interested, Moyes or Round had better sort this out pretty quick or it's going to get an awful lot worse [if possible] before it gets better.
OK, we maybe paid over the odds for him. A panic buy some feel so whatever he does I don?t know whether he?ll ever be able to fulfill £15 m?
He looked good against Liverpool for Liege, a team he was comfortable with... He?s only young. Give him a break!
rather than being a "disgrace" as you eloquently put it, can you not consider the fact that maybe - just maybe - some of us, Alan, can assess player performances (pragmatically, without any blue-tinted specs), Premiers League suitability, and potential better than you can? Even in 3 games....?
I?ll be big enough to come back on here and admit I am wrong if Fellaini turns out to be the buy of the season.
Now, tell me ? are you prepared to if he turns out to be a dud?
Surely its not pragmatic to simply damn a player?s worth after only three league games.
I think that it is fans like Alan Jones who are the pragmatic ones, who are not letting the (perhaps) inflated fee and bad team performance cloud their belief and want to give a player time to prove himself rather than reaching some kind of shotgun verdict that he, as the title of the thread suggests, ?sucks?.
Moyes is full of shit and it’s his fault Fellaini will be an okay player but he’ll always have the £15 million price tag round his neck so he’ll always be classed a failure.
I’d rather have a player that will pass backwards in a blue shirt than just hoof it forward like the rest of them.
How is he supposed to make an impression on the game when his team mates are only interested in long balls? Him and Jagielka are the only players to come out with some pride, every one else was just bollocks.
When Pienaar comes back, I’m sure Fellaini will improve vastly.
The price tag wasn’t his fault he will become a good player given a chance.
The blame lies entirely with Moyes his letheragic demeanor has spread throughout the club his humourless personality has finaly taken it’s toll and young Felli may well be struggling to settle at the minute.
Leave him alone and let him devolpe into the player we all hope he can be.
Almost on every occasion Neville gets to play in the middle we look in total disarray and since when has it been a pre-requisite that midfielders have to be good in the air. For heavens sake we should be aiming to play the ball to feet not seeking to win a game of headed ping pong. Leaving aside his youth, when just about everyone around you has given up its bloody hard to take the game to the opposition singlehandedly even if you have cost 30m. Cut the guy some slack, some of the comments appearing about Fellaini are totally ludicrous.
The players are better than this hoofball rubbish.
Time for a change.
I heard that a Belgian newspaper reported that Liege were only asking 15 million euros and knowing Billy Liar we will only have put a third of that down.
They say money is the root of all evil... well, lack of money is the root of Everton?s evil.
We let Johnson, McFadden, Carsley, Fernandes, Stubbs etc go from an already threadbare squad collecting at least 15 million in the process and not replaced them adequately.
Now Moyes has to take some of the blame particularly over this contract issue but if reports are right that Bill promised him a substantial fund if we got into Europe again and he in turn promised the players he would make some quality additions that would explain a lot.
I really can't believe Billy liar is not getting more flak over the shambles that is currently Everton.
In my opinion the current squad, and todays team, is surely capable of a much higher level of performance, excluding the awful Hibbert and Neville. I don?t the answer, I just know I?ve lost faith in Moyes.
You?re right we are capable of performing a lot better. It would?ve been almost acceptable if there was committment.
Still think Fellaini will have a decent season when we start winning a few games. Doesn?t speak the language, big price tag, crap teammates, clu in turmoil. Doesn?t help
It?s time for Moyes to go simply because he?s gone stale, refused to sign the biggest mangerial contract in the clubs history and is clueless tactically. Kenwright does not pick the team nor choose the tactics. NEVER leave Saha on the bench again, let?s got to Leige and play 4-4-2 and give it a right good wallop !
Is right, lad.
The entire stadium knew the Shite, were going to score when they did, we were all over the fucken place and everyone was screaming for changes to be made, A Reds goal at that stage wasnt a possibility, it was an inevitability. Why the fuck couldnt DM see this? Only when the game was lost did he do anything.
To pin any blame on a kid whose only been in the country a couple of weeks is utter stupidity.
Our movement is shocking to be honest and alot of players didn’t want the ball today. I’m just hoping we can get Pienaar back soon, he’s a player who doesn’t shy away from the ball and is always moving.
When I said I thought you were right, I meant about Fellaini. But your wrong about Kenwright. He's responsible for EVERYTHING at the club, including standing by while Moyse takes the piss out of our club over this contract bollocks.
Dont buy that "dont ask me I?m only the chairman" line. A fucken big brush is required to sweep GP clean.
As for Fellaini I did think he did had a poor Game, but you have to compare him to Anichebe and Vaughan as they are around the same age. I think if they were defensive midfieders they would make more mistakes as it's a hard role to play, its easy to make costly mistakes, so you cant blame Fellaini for playing it safe, he's adapting to a new way of playing remember and it's not his fault he cost so much. Just give them all time and support and I'm sure they?ll do well.
I?ve always supported Moyes and he has been a good manager for the club. I just feel that he can?t take the club any further. His record against big clubs, his transfer dealings, contract stalling and outdated long ball tactics have finally got to me.
By now our internationals are mentally destroyed and twe turn from one of the meanest, fittest, aggressive teams to one which gets turned over with sumptous ease. Fellaini, Saha et co must wonder what the hell they?ve joined - a team which hasnt got theconfidence to move and pass.
We?ll be like this until we get one of those Saturdays when the opposition have a bad day and we win well without conceding. Then the tide will change.
Let's all be patient for once, Moyes is here for 5 years and we can't make any substantial changes until January ? we should be able to get more loanees or buy someone with the spare £1.7m we have!!!
To be honest, he looked fairly promising today.
We need a couple of wingers so bad.
Good luck to you... but on thursday I think we will win,... Funny to compare your week-end with our: both clubs played their worst rival (Liverpool and Anderlecht) but... WE won!
: )) supporter of the best belgian chocolate league.... hope you like it !!
The problem is alot of Evertonians want him to fail so they can claim they where right all along and Fellaini was always going to be a flop.
I just don’t get that mentality but alot of people like to right and they want to be negative about every single thing.
I feel sorry for the lad, it’s not his fault Moyes spent 15 million for him. I have no doubts he’s a good player though and if given the support he’ll make a good career here. He has the talent and the potential, it’s just about getting him in a positive enviroment and nurturing him into the player he’s capable of being.
I?m bloody sick of fans who don?t have a bloody clue. Don?t seem to be able to grasp the whole picture.
Is it any wonder that players don?t keep the ball lots when after 4 passes all they hear is screams of "get it forward", "Stop fucking about". Then when they play it long all they hear is people screaming "fucking hoofball" or "You?re just giving it away".
The ridiculous chanting from the fans at the game is echoed on this site with very little intelligent, insightful discussion but just single minded verbal rambling.
Fellaini cannot be deemed a failure after such a short amount of time. That is the only credible reply to the original post.
Osman... too weak, no pace and went missing today. I?m thinking that he must be injured as it would have been impossible to be that ineffective otherwise.
Jagielka... Played decent 1st half but where the fuck was he for both goals??? Why leave their most dangerous player on his own??
Lescott... Poor positioning all afternoon.
Yobo... Another poor performance and chief hoofball merchant...
Arteta.... Went missing too often. Our most creative player (when Pienaar isn?t playing) should be demanding the ball and driving us on.
So before we blame Fellaini, Castillo, Saha or any other new arrival we need to look at our ?experienced players? first.
As a side note moyes needs to fuck off his awful 4-5-1 shite and also start kicking some players arses. Drop one from Yobo, Lescott or Jagielka and give Baines a proper run in the team. Also encourage the team to pass and move as to create chances for the Yak and Saha....
Just reading through the threads about Fellaini’s price tag, his young age etc.
Just a thought, in 1966 we broke the British transfer record and signed another 20 year old. He was Alan Ball, the greatest of them all. Didn’t take Bally long to settle in. Given time maybe Fellaini will as well.
Not that I’m disagreeing with anything else you say.
Why exactly is Olivier's post the best one on this thread?
Connor Roher - The Oracle.
Richard, When I posted I was only recalling the goals from memory, now I?ve seen the second goal it was Yobo who left Torres not Jags who indeed made a great tackle on Kuyt. The first goal however, why was he not marking Torres? Also why didn?t Howard come out and take Torres?s head off??
Liege gave him a chance, they developed him to a certain level and he did a very good job for them. Hopefully he can do that for us but he is 20 years old, he has only been playing for two years and he’s in the process of bedding into a new team and country. He doesn’t even speak English.
The Oracle has spoken.
When an unknown Patrick Vieira was signed by Arsene Wenger from AC Milan reserves and thrust into the Premier League he had played 2 games for the Rossoneri at the exact same age as Fellaini. In front of a settled back four he cut a composed figure whose simple and effective passing range linked the entire team together.
Fellaini has been compared to Vieira in Belgium and it is not hard to see why. By far Liege's and Belgium's best player in both the league and internationally, he has few weaknesses. Obviously he also has more experience than Vieira at his age which shows in certain aspects of his game.
Comparing their movement, positioning and passing range we can see some distinct similarities between both players. They actually play very similarly and their height and strength along with leadership abilities look to be ideal for a centre midfielder ? proven now with Vieira.
Some have alluded to Fellaini being lazy ? he runs in exactly the same manner as Vieira and can be seen berating his teammates (with minimal English) for not keeping the ball on the ground. He moves into space and always gives an option for a pass although due to the curent style of play is unable to find other teammates willing to do the same.
Vieira has always been more effective for Arsenal when playing alongside a box to box midfielder such as Petit. For France he has had both this and also Makelele behind him, at Everton he has been the only centre midfielder and lacks a partner.
It is my opinion that we have a gem on our hands and sadly do not have another player with him in the centre to allow him to play his natural game pushing us on and keeping the ball on the floor. Sadly I was unable to watch the Blackburn and Hull games last week though I assume it was the same sorry tale of punting the ball over his head and him thinking he was in the 1st World War.
The team needs to get the ball on the ground and stop all the percentage football nonsense now. We have a bunch of midfielders who are small ball players and are not playing to either their or Fellaini's strengths.
At this moment I would advocate playing 4-4-2 with Cahill or Osman next to Fellaini in the centre of midfield. This defensive midfield necessity is a negative waste of time and we must start playing to our strengths, it is no good having a team of quality passers and playing long ball.
January we need a Moutinho or even a Bullard alongside Fellaini but in the meantime let's get Cahill or Osman in there and get the ball on the floor. For the naysayers, watch the Liverpool game again on TV and watch the guy's movement and composure ? it is the mark of a top player.
As for the comments about him being worth £5 mill at the start of the summer, we bid £7 mill for him in March and it was rejected, and Leige weren?t remotely interested in selling him until they were knocked out of the Champions League.
The lad will come good, but he?ll need a season behind him.
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