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Just catching up with the 606 programme on with Mark Saggers, Steve Claridge, Ian McGary and John Motson... And during the show, not quite got to the end of it yet, but they seem to going round some basic discussions about Newcastle and Spurs. But on the side is comment about Everton, or indeed David Moyes...
First note to point was, when talking about Spurs being bought up, Motson said he expected two other clubs to be bought before Spurs, and neither of those to be Newcastle. When later pressed on who those clubs where he suggested Portsmouth and Everton. So there is a bit of speculation, though I know Motson's commentary style isn't for all, I do believe he lives football, and wouldn't make comment without having some good feelings.
Motson later said, if he was buying Newcastle his first move would be to go to Everton and offer £20mil for David Moyes. Now at the moment many fans would snap the hand off if Newcastle's new owners did that. But it does raise an interesting point.
Is David Moyes a man who could take pretty much any lower table Prem team to the position we are in now? On a limited budget and is good at turning round squad morale and dealing with clubs with older squads or squads full of expensive flops.
I think there may be a point there; Moyes seems to feel now he has hit a ceiling with Everton. He wants money to spend and we don't have it. Doesn't seem his heart is really in it 100%. I believe that would change if a new board came in with money, as again Moyes's ambition will match the clubs spending power. But until that happens, has his mind got half an eye on what comes next? If he wanted to stay no matter what at Everton, he would have signed a new deal; now for fans, club and the man himself, we have to realise time is ticking down very quickly.
It's clear that Moyes is a hugely respected manager in football and rightly so, I guess the question that everyone is asking, is is he the manager for Everton as we are now in 2008? That is a hard one to answer...
David Turner, Posted 30/09/2008 at 19:34:01
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Most Spurs fans I know now see his sacking part way through last season as a big mistake.
If Moyes is to leave I think its best to wait until the end of the season, like Chelsea replacing Grant with Scolari.
I would rather judge Moyes at the end of the season anyway, I still think he can turn it round.
If he doesn’t then replace him and at least the new manager would have the entire summer to find his feet, make a few of his signings, tutor the team in his own playing style and get to know the players.
I havent heard this anywhere before and seems a strange thing to say.
Surely Kenwright doesnt expect Moyes to fund his own scoutinf trips or has Davey taken a leaf of the politicians book with regards to his expenses.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/everton-stutter-amid-moyes-contract-delay-1484869.html
What people dont seem to realise is if Moyes were to go elsewhere then their is a good chance that a few players would go with him. Now i know a few people would think, great Neville might finally hit the high road but realistically it would more likely be players like Cahill, Arteta, Lescott and i’d hate to see that happen.
He is making mistakes he made 4 years ago....and seems destined to repeat them ad infinitum...
If you think the repetition of these series of calamities represents ’working wonders’...then I don’t share your ambition for this club..
Or should that be...lack of ambition.
We’ll never progress further until we treat them with less fear - witness Hull at Arsenal. A Moyes team would never have crossed the halfway line.
I agree with the poster the other day who said as long as we have Moyes we should play 7 - 0 - 3; a more solid defence, a full attack and no-one in the middle of the park where we never play the ball anyway.
People like you wind me up so much because you just accept total mediocrity and try and claim the moral high ground with it. I was brought up in an era when Everton won things and I’ve not lost my winning mentality. Jez, you obviously have.
Moyes is able to take any lower table team and get them to the position we are in now. I also believe he can take them higher - but it takes money and that is the sticking point he is at now. To go further money is required and Everton doesn?t have it. Newcastle will have it and Spurs do have it.
If Newcastle get bought out and KK isn?t restored then the chances are they will come knocking for Moyes. Equally, give Ramos a few more games and Spurs are likely to be there too.
I too was brought up in a time when Everton were at the height of their success, I don’t settle for mediocrity, we were constant favourites for relegation before Moyes came, but still it isn’t good enough that he has changed us into constant favourites for European football, we have had a terrible start, so the obvious thing to do is start turning on ourselves and the people we claim to support! What moral high ground? your average shite fan knows nothing, they can demand all they like, they have people bank rolling them, we don’t! As was mentioned earlier in this thread getting rid of managers early in a season is a recipe for disaster, that was the point I was trying to get across as well.
Or doesn’t that matter because irt was last season?
I think keeping our manager when there is obviously no confidence in him within the dressing room is a far worse recipe for disaster.
I am not deluding myself, I know things are bad, and I do accept your point Brian about this starting last season after Fiorentina, I can’t accept however that after 5 league games gone we are considered relegation fodder again, if it was 10 games to go, perhaps.
I do watch the games, and I am looking at the table, this season is going to be a step backwards due the nonsense in the transfer window/contract talks/kenwright/kirkby I cant tell you who is to blame for absolute definite. But lets hope this season is used to galvanise the squad we have with hopefully a couple of decent additions.
We always have hope? Don’t we?
In reality I don?t want Moyes to go at the minute - because that still leaves us with the main protagonist.
However, I also fail to accept your suggestion that a) there are no alternatives and b) that supporters need to offer an alternative to make their opinion that Moyes has not got the acumen to go any further..
I merely offered opinion as to why a growing number of fans want Moyes to go.... I am suggesting those may be similar reasons as to why I am disgusted at the way he is performing at the moment.
And your final suggestion about not making us as bad as that shower across the park ? somehow suggests that we aren?t!
I would suggest that?s a false dichotomy ? based on nothing other than fairytales and does your point no service... we are all fans of football teams and want the best for those teams ? and ours is woeful at the moment ? and has been for some time.
This ’limbo’ state we are in and period of shit football is also on the players mind and cannot continue...Moyes better be decisive to either rescue or run.
Some people have asked who could we get as his replacement? Well, Martin Jol is one strong candidate who we could realistically consider.
This is an extremely strong league and it gets harder every season. I don't blame Moyes for our position, (although I do understand people's frustrations with the hoofball.) He hasn?t had a great deal of backing from the board, especially compared to our rivals for a European place and that is what i meant by working wonders.
We are only 5 games in ffs. Ok we are out of the Carling Cup, but Blackburn away isn?t an easy game and niether is the Standard Liege fixture.
How can Newcastle Utd have seven, yes seven potential buisnessman/consortiums intersted in ?em within weeks of being put up for sale yet supposedly weve been up for sale for some time now (years supposedly?!) and yet we can't attract anyone to come forward with some definate interest?! I just get the impression Kenwright as no intention of selling are club, the fella has more than out-stayed his welcome here now and needs to get his finger out and fuck off and let us prosper under someone who can take us to where we want to be with the appropriate backing!!
I am not going to come on here and say it is impossible for any team to get relegated because of course it isn?t.
But are Man United going to go down? Because they are only a point ahead of relegation fodder with only 33 games to go, and now Rooney is injured as well.
I was at the match on Saturday and it was crap, but did anyone notice how many clear chances Liverpool had before our now customry defensive lapse? This was us at our poorest?? I?ll take that.
I?m no Richard Dodd, but if we do get two wins in our next two games then suddenly all the doom mongers will be quiet again, and this will be followed by a chorus of ?we?re gonna win the league? and ?we shall not be moved? by the Richard Dodd?s of this world. Come on guys is there no middle ground?
Yes we are shite at the moment, yes we have taken a backward step because of the summer, but I?d rather risk the steady increase to the top that we are on now, than getting a new manager in with the slight possibility of improvement or more likely being a Newcastle or Tottenham.
Bobby Robson and Martin Jol were rubbish weren?t they? I can see exactly why they got rid of them now.
Does our form not worry you Steve or our performances since we lost to Fiorentina? The thing is BK won’t get rid of Moyes so we’ll get to see where he’ll take us. Patience is not a virtue in this instance.
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