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Good players bad coach?
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Look outside the top four and see how our squad compares to the rest of the Premier League. We have some players who, at their best, are pretty decent players...
- The Yak is a proven goalscorer with crap teams. At a decent side he'd be a great player, at least the equal of Anelka.
- Arteta is a class midfielder, playing, in my view, out of position.
- Lescott is an England centre-back totally devoid of confidence and playing out of position.
- Yobo is an international centre back who would fit into most teams in the Premier League.
- Baines is an attacking left back, comfortable on the ball,and a good crosser.
- I've seen Dan Gosling play and believe me he looked a future international.
- AvdM, Vaughan, Anichebe, Baxter, Turner, Rodwell could all fit into many Premier League teams.
Our squad are being wasted. Hoofball must surely be the fault of the manager.
This season will be the tightest relegation battle ever. We will be in it. Bad players or bad coach? You decide...
Andy Crooks, Posted 05/11/2008 at 15:25:13
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Michael Kenrick
Hmmm... you know, I think I've read something like this before on here. Moyes a bad coach... yes, it does have a familiar ring to it. But predictions are for the birds, Andy. Adding dubious predictions ("tightest relegation battle ever. We will be in it.") in an effort to enhance any point you may be making only detracts from it.
The players, as a collection and as individuals can without a doubt, play a hell of a lot better than they are currently playing...
What you infer after that is usually a matter of elimination.
What you infer after that is usually a matter of elimination.
To add to Michael’s post I would say that the famous "3 months" of last season when we played some decent football occurred without Alan Irvine - many posters on here were actually saying it because he left!
Also, "Lescott is an England centre-back totally devoid of confidence and playing out of position." Didn’t he play all of last season at LB, earning an England call-up for his performances in the process? Now he’s not playing well he’s out of position and it’s Moyes’ fault?
Also, "Lescott is an England centre-back totally devoid of confidence and playing out of position." Didn’t he play all of last season at LB, earning an England call-up for his performances in the process? Now he’s not playing well he’s out of position and it’s Moyes’ fault?
Lescott played more games in centre half last season than in left back... 21 games in the centre, 20 on the left.
He is not a left back.
He is not a left back.
Ciaran,
as I’ve been out of the country for the last 18 months, I haven’t seen as many games as I would like. Where did you get those stats from? Who played 21 games at LB while Lescott was in the centre?
as I’ve been out of the country for the last 18 months, I haven’t seen as many games as I would like. Where did you get those stats from? Who played 21 games at LB while Lescott was in the centre?
I counted them myself - on the basis that people keep repeated this erroneous claim..
Baines and Valente covered the rest.
Baines and Valente covered the rest.
For the love of god will people stop mentioning Andy Van Der Meyde in footblling terms. He never plays for us and he never will. He is a waste of space. You say he could fit in to many Premier League teams? He can?t even fit into a jersey for fuck sake!!
Andy
You could have a point about Gosling; the team is crying out for width... he is young, pacy and quite direct. People are suggesting Arteta be rested so I don?t see what harm playing Gosling for a game or two could do...
You could have a point about Gosling; the team is crying out for width... he is young, pacy and quite direct. People are suggesting Arteta be rested so I don?t see what harm playing Gosling for a game or two could do...
Graham does make a good point and it kind of detracts from what the opening poster is trying to say.
Shandy Andy is finished and has been for two seasons, I have only seen Baxter in the friendlies so have other and to say he would fit into many premiership teams is nonsensical and Turner has played 3/4 games with us, got sent off, blew thw game with ManUre and conceeded loads against Chelsea so I am lost as to how you include him in your list.
The Yak scored his highest total last season and....oh you know what I can?t be bothered going over the same ground again and again, some posts different title, Moyes is crap blah de fooking blah.
Shandy Andy is finished and has been for two seasons, I have only seen Baxter in the friendlies so have other and to say he would fit into many premiership teams is nonsensical and Turner has played 3/4 games with us, got sent off, blew thw game with ManUre and conceeded loads against Chelsea so I am lost as to how you include him in your list.
The Yak scored his highest total last season and....oh you know what I can?t be bothered going over the same ground again and again, some posts different title, Moyes is crap blah de fooking blah.
How come we did manage that purple patch last season? How come those players you’ve mentioned were on top of their game last season (for a while anyway)? I can’t work out why they are now so shit.
Also, Sean, if you watched Gosling in pre-season you will realise he’s utter shite and that’s why he won’t get a game. He’ll be sold to somewhere like Yeovil in the next year I reckon.
Also, Sean, if you watched Gosling in pre-season you will realise he’s utter shite and that’s why he won’t get a game. He’ll be sold to somewhere like Yeovil in the next year I reckon.
Alan, Gosling wasn?t shite when he came here. David Moyes obviously agreed so to make Ciaran?s point again it?s a matter of elimination.
Okay AvdM isn?t a great example (I still believe with support and a run in the side it could be different).
We have good players who are playing crap football. It?sDM?s team and his tactics.
Michael, in the absence of any Derby this year it will be a tight relegation battle. We are very lucky to have the points we have.Without good fortune we?d be bottom now. We need to improve before our luck runs out.
Billy Dean, to give you more accurate figures, Baines and Valente only made 12 league starts between them. Lescott played left back 29 times, once in the middle of the park and believe it or not, he played up top for the second half at Fulham.
Thank you, Andy Crooks. Finally, someone has the nerve to speak the truth on Toffeeweb. I?ve been getting so tired of reading all the balanced, rational, optimistic, pro-Moyes posts on this site; it?s refreshing to read one that is so utterly irrational and without foundation ? at last! Many thanks for brightening my day with your wild, baseless insights.
Come on Andy, you talk like Gosling was some world beater. He was an average kid at Plymouth with some potential. I don’t think it’s bad coaching with him, it’s just one of those things, he’s not actually any good.
What exactly is your point, Andy? I?m at a loss at what you are trying to say.
Where do you want Arteta to play? He?s not a center of the field player at all, and does his best work from the left side.
?I?ve seen Dan Gosling play and believe me he looked a future international."... based on what? A reserve run out, a lower league game.... boy, that would prove to me that a player had a chance to play for England in the future. Get a life, mate!
"AvdM, Vaughan, Anichebe, Baxter, Turner, Rodwell could all fit into many Premier League teams"..... I hate to break it to you but when Vaughan and Anichebe come on the pitch there aren?t a lot of opposing managers saying.... ohhhh, we got to worry now..... here come the big guns. They have some promise, but c?mon.
Baxter is a kid, and looked so overmatched in his early season trial that it was sad. He might have promise, but then again I?m not a talent scout. Rodwell was also overmatched in his appearances. If you look at video of his appearances you?ll see him floundering at the pace of the game, and he did not look like he knew where he was supposed to be on the pitch. But he is a kid. Turner? What???
Shandy Andy... why do you even bring him up? Do you think we would still be paying him if another team in the Prem had come and asked about him? We would have driven him to the other club?s training ground if there had been an inquiry about his status.
Andy... I would wager you 10,000 of anything you want that we will not be anywhere near a relagation battle at the end of this year.
And by the way, Lescott is NOT an England player anymore. You actually have to earn the right to play for your country. He stopped earning.
Where do you want Arteta to play? He?s not a center of the field player at all, and does his best work from the left side.
?I?ve seen Dan Gosling play and believe me he looked a future international."... based on what? A reserve run out, a lower league game.... boy, that would prove to me that a player had a chance to play for England in the future. Get a life, mate!
"AvdM, Vaughan, Anichebe, Baxter, Turner, Rodwell could all fit into many Premier League teams"..... I hate to break it to you but when Vaughan and Anichebe come on the pitch there aren?t a lot of opposing managers saying.... ohhhh, we got to worry now..... here come the big guns. They have some promise, but c?mon.
Baxter is a kid, and looked so overmatched in his early season trial that it was sad. He might have promise, but then again I?m not a talent scout. Rodwell was also overmatched in his appearances. If you look at video of his appearances you?ll see him floundering at the pace of the game, and he did not look like he knew where he was supposed to be on the pitch. But he is a kid. Turner? What???
Shandy Andy... why do you even bring him up? Do you think we would still be paying him if another team in the Prem had come and asked about him? We would have driven him to the other club?s training ground if there had been an inquiry about his status.
Andy... I would wager you 10,000 of anything you want that we will not be anywhere near a relagation battle at the end of this year.
And by the way, Lescott is NOT an England player anymore. You actually have to earn the right to play for your country. He stopped earning.
Irvine was here when we finished above the relegated sides, the season we stayed up on goal difference. The only important thing that was missing then was Carsley, who done all the unnoticed dirty work that is missing now.
Castillo was the replacement for Carsley and did well, but lacked that bit of pace which you get with games. So I would go with Castillo in a five man midfield, along with Arteta, Osman, Pienaar and Cahill against West Ham.
Castillo was the replacement for Carsley and did well, but lacked that bit of pace which you get with games. So I would go with Castillo in a five man midfield, along with Arteta, Osman, Pienaar and Cahill against West Ham.
Yak is a goalscorer and will get his 20 goals a season.
Arteta was forgotten man in Reall Sociedad before Moyes brought him and gave him a chance.
Lescott got into the England squad when he was signed and guided by Moyes, ditto Jag.
Baines hasn't done anything impressive to warrant starting place yet.
Gosling; haven?t seen him playing, can't comment but he was bought as one for the future.
Vaughan, Anichebe, Baxter, Turner, Rodwell all have been given their chance by Moyes and are flooded step by step.
AvdM is one of the best wasted talents I have ever seen.
You are one of the most limited and deluded individuals ever to post here.
I proposed that bet before and will proposed it again, unfortunately there a lot of people talking crap but no one has put his money where his mouth is, I will bet anyone any amount of money that Everton will not be in relegation battle this season.
Finally last season after the Tottenham game I posted an article named ?Another horror show? just to show how easy it is to slate people without any facts or substance in it, sadly this is even worse, joke post
Arteta was forgotten man in Reall Sociedad before Moyes brought him and gave him a chance.
Lescott got into the England squad when he was signed and guided by Moyes, ditto Jag.
Baines hasn't done anything impressive to warrant starting place yet.
Gosling; haven?t seen him playing, can't comment but he was bought as one for the future.
Vaughan, Anichebe, Baxter, Turner, Rodwell all have been given their chance by Moyes and are flooded step by step.
AvdM is one of the best wasted talents I have ever seen.
You are one of the most limited and deluded individuals ever to post here.
I proposed that bet before and will proposed it again, unfortunately there a lot of people talking crap but no one has put his money where his mouth is, I will bet anyone any amount of money that Everton will not be in relegation battle this season.
Finally last season after the Tottenham game I posted an article named ?Another horror show? just to show how easy it is to slate people without any facts or substance in it, sadly this is even worse, joke post
Have to agree with Cyde McPhat on this one. I think you're biggin up players who have never done it at this level yet. To say the likes of Turner (average keeper at best), V D Meyde, Gosling, Vaughan, Baxter, Anichebe and Rodwell would get into lots of Prem teams is a bit unbelievable to be honest.
V D Meyde is yesterday's man now... He is never going to make an impact in the Premier League again with his injury past, personal problems.
Baxter has only just left school and when he did play for us earlier in the season he looked as though he needs another year or two at least at reserve level, maybe go out on loan somewhere. Rodwell looks big but let's not forget other teams have experienced internationals playing for them, it was a bit too evident that Rodwell was raw when he played against Portsmouth and played two of their goals onside for taking up schoolboy positions and falling asleep. He is only 17... Maybe in two or three years when he is 20 he will be more like the finished article.
I hate to say it also but Vaughan and Big Vic don't ever look like getting any better than they are now, and all they really are now is half useful subs. It's hard to see how either player really gets a great deal better than what they are at now, when Rooney came through he had this exquisite touch and control couple with an great shot and close control, I don't see any of these aspects too prominent in Vaughan or Anichebe...
Ian Turner... Well he has been here since January 2003 and can anyone honestly really see him becoming a regular goalkeeper for Everton?? When he has played he has looked very shaky, no doubt due to a lack of appearances also, but he doesn't look good enough, perhaps the same could be said of Ruddy. I have seen nothing of Gosling at all so cannot comment on what type of player he is or where he is meant to play..
The big problem is we have had people bigging players up to be better than they actually are for years and years on end, going right back to Michael Branch, then we had Peter Clarke, Anthony Gerrard. JP Kissock, Paddy Boyle but none of them ever make it so my advice is let's just see what the future holds..
I did not see Gosling play but from what I have heard he seems to be different to what we have in the squad a genuine wide player who loves to get forward but as many have said he could well be not up to scratch.
There is one way to find out and that is to give him a game he should certainly be ahead of Van der Meyde in the pecking order as joking aside the man is waste of money that we do not have.
There is one way to find out and that is to give him a game he should certainly be ahead of Van der Meyde in the pecking order as joking aside the man is waste of money that we do not have.
AvdM, Vaughan, Anichebe, Baxter, Turner, Rodwell probably wouldn?t walk into most Premier League teams.
I?ve had enough of hoofball now and think the COACH role is very important. It is interesting that the next game after Alan Irvine left we well and beat Sunderland 7-1. Could have been an anomaly though?
I think Andy Holden did a great job as Moyes?s number 2 but was too stretched having to take the rezzies as well. Steve Round seems a nice guy but doubt he inspires the enthusiasm and fires up the lads like of a blue nose Mr Motivator like Andy Holden. I reckon Moyes and Round get too scientific/technical at times and can confuse/demotivate the players (though the hoofball is hardly scientific). In support of this theory, it is interesting that it was - according to Capt Phil Neville - big blue (team MASSEUR - not coach/manager) JIMMY COMER that fired the lads up at half time to turn the game around verus Man Utd!
I think Andy Holden did a great job as Moyes?s number 2 but was too stretched having to take the rezzies as well. Steve Round seems a nice guy but doubt he inspires the enthusiasm and fires up the lads like of a blue nose Mr Motivator like Andy Holden. I reckon Moyes and Round get too scientific/technical at times and can confuse/demotivate the players (though the hoofball is hardly scientific). In support of this theory, it is interesting that it was - according to Capt Phil Neville - big blue (team MASSEUR - not coach/manager) JIMMY COMER that fired the lads up at half time to turn the game around verus Man Utd!
Round may have all the qualifications but the lads already have talent and know how to play different formations. His CV as assistant to Steve McLaren?s England and perennial underachievers Newcastle does not fill me with confidence, I doubt it does the players either. So much of the game is played in the head i.e. mental determination and desire is key. Accordingly, I?d prefer someone like Andy Holden alongside Moyes, rather than Round.
(A proven winner manager that will inspire the players (like Mourinho) is probably the real answer, but as we all know, Moyes ain?t going anywhere!)
Mostly a pile of shite this, AVDM!!! ? speak to any streetwise Merseysider and they will tell you about this cheat and what he gets up to each weekend and then has the cheek to slag people (who could've easily sacked the fraud) to a friend of mine last week. Baxter and Co will be good in time but are just not good enough yet and why do you think Sir Alex and Co have never come in for Arteta? Quite simply he is not as good as most blues think and has been very average for a good year. You cannot blame Moyes for someone hiding against the bigger teams which he has done for years, do these people go the games? They are making me sound like a Moyes lover which I am not.
We have kept two clean sheets this season and both of them have been when Lescott has been playing left-back, with Jags and Yobo in the centre. I don?t think we can afford to leave one of Lescott, Neville, Yobo or Jagielka out the side at the moment, so where would you fit Baines in?
Also Andy, Arteta has been playing outwide and him and Pienaar have been given almost a free role, so what do you think his best position is? Give the team time I am quite confident that performances and results will improve! Things aren?t even that bad at the moment we haven?t played well at all this season and we?re still only 5 points of fourth spot!
If the Yak is to get 20 goals this season, could he please hurry up and start scoring!!
We now have a very talented although small squad backed up by some outstanding young players. Most pundits believe we also have one of the Premier?s outstanding managers who has a long held reputation as an inovative coach. We are seventh in the league, have drawn with the Double Champions and won our last two matches. Everton are in great shape. Fact.
The post has a lot of players listed that certainly wouldn?t get into most prem teams. AVDM (don't make me laugh), Baxter, Anichebe, Turner, Vaughan, Rodwell, Gosling... Now I?m not knocking these players, some may turn out to be very good indeed (AVDM apart) but the real ones that a lot of managers would like (apart from Yak and Arteta and Lescott) who are already listed would be Fellaini, Pienaar, Cahill and maybe Jags.
Is it really so irrational to suggest that, when almost an entire team, not just a couple of individuals, are out of form then it might just be the fault of the coach?
Yes, Richard, we are seventh, but surely even you must agree that we have been poor for most of the season.
Andy, apart from one half of footy, we have been beyond poor, however, me being an optimist, I am glad that after playing shite all season we find ourselves in 7th place with back to back wins for the first time in a while.
When we are low on confidence I will gladly take several "ugly" wins.
When we are low on confidence I will gladly take several "ugly" wins.
Andy,
You make a great point. We are 7th, after playing poorly.
So when this team clicks again, what else is possible?
Yes, nobody disagree?s its been a poor start from a footballing viewpoint. No consistency, poor passing, lack of real attacking threat.
But you also have to agree Andy, that over the past few weeks there are signs that the cohesion and fluency is getting better. Still miles away from where we want to be, but its getting better.
And to say we are already in a relegation battle is complete fucking nonsense. If the big 4 didn't have the ?luck? of refereeing decisions, then they too would not be as good.
The goals we scored were not luck, they were due to good football, and good finishing. It's simple.
You make a great point. We are 7th, after playing poorly.
So when this team clicks again, what else is possible?
Yes, nobody disagree?s its been a poor start from a footballing viewpoint. No consistency, poor passing, lack of real attacking threat.
But you also have to agree Andy, that over the past few weeks there are signs that the cohesion and fluency is getting better. Still miles away from where we want to be, but its getting better.
And to say we are already in a relegation battle is complete fucking nonsense. If the big 4 didn't have the ?luck? of refereeing decisions, then they too would not be as good.
The goals we scored were not luck, they were due to good football, and good finishing. It's simple.
What Clyde said ;-)
"Billy Dean, to give you more accurate figures, Baines and Valente only made 12 league starts between them. Lescott played left back 29 times, once in the middle of the park and believe it or not, he played up top for the second half at Fulham. "
Did you take notes from your obstructed view? Absolute Bollocks. Baines played 17 times, the stat is 21/20 for Lescott at centre half.
Did you take notes from your obstructed view? Absolute Bollocks. Baines played 17 times, the stat is 21/20 for Lescott at centre half.
Tony Williams: We are just four points away from the relegation places. We’re nearer to 19th than we are to sixth. Stop looking at position and instead cast your eyes on our points tally. What is it with people and their attempts to gloss over the reality of a situation? I just don’t get it. Really, I can’t understand why you want to present things in in way that is patently false. Is this some kind of wishful thinking, where you interpret facts or perceptions according to what you would like to be the case rather than according to the actual case?
I’ll admit that the PL this season looks pretty much like any team can beat any team (outside the top 4) so it might indeed be true that we’re on the up. Equally, though, we could be on the way down to a relegation struggle.
I’ll admit that the PL this season looks pretty much like any team can beat any team (outside the top 4) so it might indeed be true that we’re on the up. Equally, though, we could be on the way down to a relegation struggle.
Bad coach maybe the explanation, after all most of our players go away on international duties and look full of confidence and appear to be at their best.
Lescott played over 50 games last season, 29 apps at left back. I know coz I saw them all ? pity they weren?t on MOTD then you?d know as much as me
Keep going, you're showing your ignorance with every post. Oh and while you're skulking back to your record books, check how many league games Baines started, I promise you?ll look even sillier.
Keep going, you're showing your ignorance with every post. Oh and while you're skulking back to your record books, check how many league games Baines started, I promise you?ll look even sillier.
Paul Gladwell,
ADVM is no doubt a wasted talent, but as I am not from Merseyside, I would really like to know what he (allegedly) gets up to at the weekend that makes him such a hated figure. I know he?s had problems in the past with injuries and break-ins, but what does he do that so infuriates Evertonians?
ADVM is no doubt a wasted talent, but as I am not from Merseyside, I would really like to know what he (allegedly) gets up to at the weekend that makes him such a hated figure. I know he?s had problems in the past with injuries and break-ins, but what does he do that so infuriates Evertonians?
Oh Dave...presenting yourself as the winner on your own say so, is such a self-defeating tactic.
I seen every game last year too...
Lescott played 21 games in the Premier League in the centre, and 21 on the left...
I seen every game last year too...
Lescott played 21 games in the Premier League in the centre, and 21 on the left...
Tell me something I dont know.....thought you lot might enjoy this as much as I did!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AaqymT_upmc
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AaqymT_upmc
Sorry me old china ? that's 42 games... last time I looked we didn't play that many in the prem.
Still wanna keep diggin?
Still wanna keep diggin?
And in answer to Liam - the reason people dislike AVDM is because he draws a wage from EFC without really appearing to do much to warrant it - basically getting paid but never playing; ever.
Oh my, well, well, there, there..........
The ex-girlfriend of suspended Premier League referee Mark Clattenburg has been arrested on suspicion of trashing his £40,000 Porsche.
Question..........
Does anyone think that the RS would have a legitimate claim for the damage to THEIR Porsche?
No insinuation meant!
The ex-girlfriend of suspended Premier League referee Mark Clattenburg has been arrested on suspicion of trashing his £40,000 Porsche.
Question..........
Does anyone think that the RS would have a legitimate claim for the damage to THEIR Porsche?
No insinuation meant!
I'm afraid I?ll eat humble pie..
I had counted a couple of Carling Cup matches and left out the European matches.
He still played 21 games in the middle.
I had counted a couple of Carling Cup matches and left out the European matches.
He still played 21 games in the middle.
One-up-manship is not an appealing trait gents :)
Liam, the list is endless, mate, and I would not like to be the one to start writing them on any site, but as far as I am concerned he should've had his contract terminated a long time ago. Instead, he earns what he does... paid for by us supporters who bleed blue blood and yet we still get the shit in the paper and on the official site about how he aims to prove a point when it's all bullshit. And then spouting off about the people who have gave him so many chances proves to me what a prick he is ? and why they gave him the chance in the first place is beyond me. If Moyes likes to suss a player out first like he did over a 30-odd-year-old quality professional like Nigel Martyn then he would've found that AVDM was no different in Italy to what he has been here.
"Tony Williams: We are just four points away from the relegation places. We?re nearer to 19th than we are to sixth. Stop looking at position and instead cast your eyes on our points tally. What is it with people and their attempts to gloss over the reality of a situation? I just don?t get it. Really, I can?t understand why you want to present things in in way that is patently false"
Yes and we are 5 points from 4th.
Please re-read my post, especially the bit where I state I am an opitmist.
So position isn’t important the points tally is? Explain that to a team that has missed out on an European place or a play off place on goal difference?
How have I presented anything that is "patently false"? We are in 7th position, Quod erat demonstrandum
Yes and we are 5 points from 4th.
Please re-read my post, especially the bit where I state I am an opitmist.
So position isn’t important the points tally is? Explain that to a team that has missed out on an European place or a play off place on goal difference?
How have I presented anything that is "patently false"? We are in 7th position, Quod erat demonstrandum
Ciaran, Baines did not play 17 games for us last season, where you getting this stuff from?
Paul Gladwell,
I mentioned AvdM based on his pre-season form when I really thought he was turning things around. However, I don?t live in Liverpool and must therefore accept what you say. I think, though that the other players I mentioned could do better elsewhere. Vic can hurt any defence, he showed that in the Uefa Cup.
I mentioned AvdM based on his pre-season form when I really thought he was turning things around. However, I don?t live in Liverpool and must therefore accept what you say. I think, though that the other players I mentioned could do better elsewhere. Vic can hurt any defence, he showed that in the Uefa Cup.
Vaughan has pace and needs games to settle down. I watched Gosling five times before he came to us and he looked to have real potential.
Stefan, I will not take you up on your bet because I support Everton and would not want to win 10,000 of anything to see them relegated.
Finally,and this is the toughest thing I have ever had to say on this site: In the summer I said that if AvDM had not proved, by Christmas, that he was a quality player, I would admit that I was a wanker who knew nothing about football. Well, I admit it.
Only one thing, Paul, why has AvDM not been sacked for gross misconduct?
Is it just me or is Ciarán becoming the most annoying poster on Toffeeweb?
No James it is not you.
"Most Annoying Poster" Is that an option for a Toffeeweb Poll?
Must admit Ciaran’s still well outdone by either of the Marsh & Dodd combo.
Must admit Ciaran’s still well outdone by either of the Marsh & Dodd combo.
James /John
Ciaran likes an argument, is a passionate blue, I dont think I’ve ever agreed with him, but these pages would be a shade duller without him
Ciaran likes an argument, is a passionate blue, I dont think I’ve ever agreed with him, but these pages would be a shade duller without him
Agree with you Dave, Ciaran has given me a few kickings on this site but he?s a true blue and is one of the most tacticly astute posters on this site.
Andy,
To some degree I have to agree with you. If you really have to look at our squad, we should be at least in the top 7 on the log by now.
I really think Moyes is a piece of shit and he knows fuck all about player managing (how to work with a player?s head like Fegie, Wenger, Hughes and Redknap.)
VDM, had anyone seen this player before he landed with us? (brilliant player, ask Pienaar); Anichebe, great talent... but not being used; Rodwell, should have started at least 5 games this season. Baines... has been brilliant, especially with Pienaar on the left, why was this combination broken? (cause shit performer Lescott had to be a starter).
The list goes on and on, do you guys get the point?
Moyes is a piece of shit!!
To some degree I have to agree with you. If you really have to look at our squad, we should be at least in the top 7 on the log by now.
I really think Moyes is a piece of shit and he knows fuck all about player managing (how to work with a player?s head like Fegie, Wenger, Hughes and Redknap.)
VDM, had anyone seen this player before he landed with us? (brilliant player, ask Pienaar); Anichebe, great talent... but not being used; Rodwell, should have started at least 5 games this season. Baines... has been brilliant, especially with Pienaar on the left, why was this combination broken? (cause shit performer Lescott had to be a starter).
The list goes on and on, do you guys get the point?
Moyes is a piece of shit!!
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Like I said, Ciaran is a passionate blue.
but my cat’s more tactically astute than he is
Like I said, Ciaran is a passionate blue.
but my cat’s more tactically astute than he is
Ricardo, do you go the games? Baines has been brilliant! Watching games on Justin tv obviously hides something. He is good coming forward but is not as good as Lescott. He has had a bad run, that is all, it happens and any defender who can score 10 a season in a tight fit defence is worth his weight in gold.
And yes I saw AvdM before he came, ripping Gary Naysmith apart for the Dutch v the Jocks... I also know he hardly played fuck all for Milan due to the usual shit he is showing here and quite simply any fraud footballer who spends his life partying will NEVER be fit to play top flight football
And as for your knobhead comment on Moyes, I have been a critic of him in the past but why does he deserve comments like that off idiots like you? And yet that thief gets praise for ripping the club and fans off with millions of pounds ? and by the way, we are in the top seven.
"Ciaran, Baines did not play 17 games for us last season, where you getting this stuff from? "
I'm afraid you're right... it was 16 starts...
Go check the stats..
I suppose I?ve let myself down, Dave?s cat would clearly not have been one game out.
Shame on me.
I'm afraid you're right... it was 16 starts...
Go check the stats..
I suppose I?ve let myself down, Dave?s cat would clearly not have been one game out.
Shame on me.
I think everone is missing the point here. We are poor this season, very poor, but ? wait for it ? we are 7th in the league. So what does that tell you? If we play better, we will win more games and improve our position...
IMWT
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It tells me what I have known for a while: the PL is shite and so is modern football.
I was quite inclined to agree up until the point about Gosling being a future international? I’ve seen him play half a dozen times and he doesn’t look as if he’ll even cut it in the division let alone as an international so i’ve no idea at all what you’ve been watching. He is totally one paced and has no outstanding ability. To make it in this league you need to have something about you, either great size, great pace or great ability. He has none of those things, he just looks a plodder to me. Rodwell has bags more ability and from watching the ressies i’d say that Hope Akpan has a far more serious chance of making it than Gosling. I agree Moyes is a bad coach though.
The Yak is a better player than Anelka at the club he is at now, hence getting more goals than Anelka last season!!!
Arteta CAN be a class player on his day(that day HAVING to be at Goodison as he goes hiding away from home) but in my view lacks the correct mentality, and if you watch us play he normally spends time on both wings during a game and drops into the middle at times too.
Lescott has been in the England squad yes, well pointed out, but he has also played his best football in an Everton shirt at left back !
Yobo is an international player too?!?! You really make some quite groundbreaking points arent you!!
Van der Meyde and Turner would get into many other premier league sides!! Ones a junkie alcoholic that never players and one is a shit Scottish keeper, havent heard about clubs beating down the door to sign them have you ?
You are deluded my friend, our squad or team have no more right than any other club out of the top 4 to win games, our squad is slightly above average and lags behind Spurs, Villa and City. If you're looking for a "good team, bad coach" scenario, look for Spurs under Ramos. A team that finishes fourth with players like David Weir, Marcus Bent, Kevin Kilbane etc etc (no disrespect to any of those players I admire them for what they did for us) does not have a bad coach at the helm!
Arteta CAN be a class player on his day(that day HAVING to be at Goodison as he goes hiding away from home) but in my view lacks the correct mentality, and if you watch us play he normally spends time on both wings during a game and drops into the middle at times too.
Lescott has been in the England squad yes, well pointed out, but he has also played his best football in an Everton shirt at left back !
Yobo is an international player too?!?! You really make some quite groundbreaking points arent you!!
Van der Meyde and Turner would get into many other premier league sides!! Ones a junkie alcoholic that never players and one is a shit Scottish keeper, havent heard about clubs beating down the door to sign them have you ?
You are deluded my friend, our squad or team have no more right than any other club out of the top 4 to win games, our squad is slightly above average and lags behind Spurs, Villa and City. If you're looking for a "good team, bad coach" scenario, look for Spurs under Ramos. A team that finishes fourth with players like David Weir, Marcus Bent, Kevin Kilbane etc etc (no disrespect to any of those players I admire them for what they did for us) does not have a bad coach at the helm!
If only...
Moyes had signed his contract one month earlier... The Kirkby nonsense had been sorted one month earlier... We?d have signed Loius one month earlier... Wyness had have gone one month earlier... Why, we?d be in Nirvana. Arise Sir David.
Moyes had signed his contract one month earlier... The Kirkby nonsense had been sorted one month earlier... We?d have signed Loius one month earlier... Wyness had have gone one month earlier... Why, we?d be in Nirvana. Arise Sir David.
Gary, I accept what you say about AvDM but what you say about Turner is grossly unfair. I have a friend who supports Sheff Wed and he has raved about Turner. His opportunities at Eveton have seen him called into the side at short notice in high pressure games. Like all young players he needs a decent run to build his confidence. Vic and James Vaughan would be regulars, and better players for it, in many Premier League sides. Moyes has his favourites and to cross him is a pretty bad career move. Castillo and Vaughan must have really annoyed him.
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