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Yes, but who've they played?

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In this mailbag I read arguements everyday..."Everton are hopeless" versus "but we are doing OK". I see both sides of these arguements. On the one hand we are not playing well. There is not much good football to be seen. But on the other hand we are 7th and 5 points off Villa and Hull.

If what we are saying is that the football can only get better, I just hope that means we keep climbing the table as well.

If you look at arguably 4 of our biggest rivals and who they have actually played, it might put things into perspective. Below are our rivals and ourselves, and how many of the current top ten they/we have played:

  • Arsenal - 2 teams from top ten (none of the "Sky 4")
  • Aston Villa - 4 teams from top ten (2 of the "Sky 4")
  • Man City - 5 teams from top ten (2 of the "Sky 4")
  • Spurs - 6 teams from the top ten (3 of the "Sky 4")
  • Everton - 5 teams from the top ten (3 of the "Sky 4")
Whilst Hull are up there and have to be classed our rivals, I can't bring myself to inlcude them in this exercise, although they do count as a top ten team played.

The point I am making is that Arsenal may be top of this pile but who have they played? Ourselves and Hull!! I believe this makes them vulnerable in the lead up to Christmas. Look at Tottenham! They may be six points behind us but they have already played 6 teams currently in the top ten including three of the big ones. Don't be surprised by their rise into contention.

Let's focus on us though. As I said, I see the point about our poor displays. But I also see that we have played almost half our games against teams who occupy the top ten. There are others around us who have the more difficult games coming up. So with a bit of improvement in our play, solid displays at the back, and a bit of luck, we could be right up there by Christmas, and it wouldn't surprise me one little bit.
Gareth Mercer, London     Posted 06/11/2008 at 11:12:23

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Michael Kenrick
Hmmm... I wonder if the top-ten teams we played are in the top ten because they beat us! Your theory is pretty revolutionary: if we improve, we could go up the table. Here's something I've noticed though: if we don't improve, we may not go up the table... in fact, if we get worse again, we may go down the table. So... could go either way... Watch This Space!!!
Alan Clarke
1   Posted 06/11/2008 at 20:42:23

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We also lost at home to Blackburn who are below us and we let a 2 goal lead slip against Newcastle who are also below us. There is enough evidence to suggest we should be looking over our shoulder far more than we should be looking up in the table.
Ian Tunny
2   Posted 06/11/2008 at 20:44:53

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Well we must be doing well if we're playing crap and still winning... just wait 'til we are in form! Teams better watch out!

Nobody seems to complain when Liverpool or Chelsea are crap and score last-minute winners, apparently they are not lucky, it's because lesser sides can't keep up the pace of closing down for 90 mins so the team with more quality will eventually find openings late in the game and have more chance of scoring, so this must apply to us, which shows we must be a real quality team and we don't even have to play well and still win.

Seriously though the defence with the exception of Jags are no where near their best, the midfield isn't balanced, Arteta and Pienaar are out of form, Cahill is not match fit, Yakubu is out of form and the others are just settling in. Once everyone starts to click, I have high expectations.
Jay Wilson
3   Posted 06/11/2008 at 22:32:27

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Agree with Ian Tunny, the most sensible post on here for some time.
Jay Harris
4   Posted 06/11/2008 at 22:54:40

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I think the only consistent thing is the top 4. The rest of us are not consistently good enough. Even Villa have hit a brick wall now.

The Prem is a marathon not a sprint and the best defenders and best attackers will rise to the top over a season. For the rest of us it?s either good luck (dodgy decisions or rub of the green) or good timing(playing a team when they?re not playing well).

We?re not outstandingly good nor outstandingly bad so I anticipate a mid table finish until we can get new owners/players in.
Derek Thomas
5   Posted 07/11/2008 at 03:04:42

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Gareth, you?ve been down South in that there London for too long, you are too busy missing the top 10 point for the crap 4 trees.

It doesn?t matter how many times you play whomever out of which ever group, (hold on to your hat for novel concept)...It?s how many times you BEAT ALL teams that get you more or less points.

Spurs have 4pts from 6 Vs the crap 4...

We have ONE from NINE!

AND, with the odd 45 min exception, the football is STILL shite.
Mike Wright
6   Posted 07/11/2008 at 09:29:33

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I wouldn't exactly say Villa have hit a brick wall, they only lost the game at Newcastle, either side of that they won last night, beat Blackburn and Ajax and then won 4-0 at Wigan, bloody hell I wish we could hit your brick wall...

We have grinded out three very useful results which are important as we know how low confidence has been this season and I would say going right back to when we got knocked out by Fiorentina. The football standard is pretty dismal and I don't expect us to go and play Brazilian style tomorrow at West Ham, that will be a much sterner test than Bolton and Fulham and I would guess if we play as lethargically as we did against Fulham then our mini-revival could come to an end at Upton Park.

At the same time, from the remaining games in November, we could all sit down and try to do calculations on paper about if we draw at West Ham and then beat Boro and then beat Wigan before perhaps we do lose at Spurs then November will have been a decent month but we all know with Everton nothing is ever straightforward.

I agree with someone that at this moment in time we should still be looking over our shoulder rather than getting too complacent simply because this season nobody really looks like getting cut off from the rest in terms of how bad Derby where last year...

Newcastle are steadily improving and my major worry is Spurs, I actually think they won't finish anywhere near the bottom but at the present minute they are below us.

Harry Redknapp is a clever manager, you don't win the FA Cup with a team that were languishing in Division One when he took over if you don't know the game. Already he has got Spurs playing good football and what's more they are scoring goals again. If our defence went to the dogs again would we be able to say the same? Would we be able to score four at the Emirates? Well we all know we didn't but it's a perfect example.

The wise head says after the start we had endured, when the season started just as poorly as the previous ended, all we can do is take one game at a time and not worry about who is beatable on paper.

Trevor Price
7   Posted 07/11/2008 at 10:38:55

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Somebody told us the other day that Everton are 9th in the ?All-time Premier League table?. Surely, if we can equal or better that we shall have had a reasonable season. I don?t support Everton EXPECTING them to be world beaters and as long as they win more than they lose that will do for me. Lofty ambitions are fine but you will only get heartache by demanding too much.
Seamus Murphy
8   Posted 07/11/2008 at 10:55:18

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Trevor Price, are you having a laugh?
That's like some BS you tell kids... "it's not the winning ? it's the taking part". Well, this is professional football at the highest level we are talking about so it is about the winning. It's the team's and management's job to win and they get paid absurd amounts of money to do so. So wise up will you ? this is not an under-8s team we are talking about here.
Alasdair Mackay
9   Posted 07/11/2008 at 11:35:24

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I agree with Seamus Murphy - we should be aiming to win every game and execting to win most of them. Realistically that is not going to happen, but you have to be ambitious. Before Sir Alex Ferguson came along, Man United had won less league titles than us!
Gareth Mercer
10   Posted 07/11/2008 at 12:28:35

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I accept (and was expecting) the arguements that my theory is poor in terms of evidence. You are right, below the top 4 there is a lot of inconsistency. But there are some elements of interest, I feel. Arsenal are not at their best, and seemingly they have played the vast majority of their games against teams also struggling for form. Spurs have played quite a few teams who are on form and therefore can kick on with their own form improving.

My point, if not well made, is that it's not all doom and gloom. Not great, but there's no disaster yet (excepting the early exit from Uefa and Carling cups!!!).
Joe McMahon
11   Posted 07/11/2008 at 12:32:02

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Mike Wright ? spot on. I couldn?t agree more. The trouble is a Moyes team would not be set up to score 4 at the Emirates, it would be set up to (maybe????) nick one.
Alan Codd
12   Posted 07/11/2008 at 13:27:21

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To Trevor Price, EARTH welcomes you and Bill Kenwright to our planet...
Pete Clark
13   Posted 07/11/2008 at 14:03:42

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When I look at our team or squad and see Osman, Pienaar, Jags, Neville and Hibbert, I honestly cannot imagine watching in awe if any of these players were running around in another teams colours. I do not see these kind of players winning anything for Everton but at the same time I could not see another manager in the Prem getting top-six finishes with them in another team. DM is doing something right, it is just hard to see what it is through the crap footy that we are seeing.
Derek Thomas
14   Posted 08/11/2008 at 20:48:21

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Gareth, for the life of Brian read the life of Davy, Apart from a poor stsrt and out of 2 cups by Oct. we’re having a not bad season...aka... what have the Romans ever done for us, the point in the film was, well everything, the point in the real life of Day, playing shite and flattering to deceive due to the over all poor quality of EPL....Another ’ waffer ’ thin mint of a performance to day.

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