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Wow! That was some finish to a game...

Unfortunatley, I was by that point totally brain-dead, after having suffered through another 80 minutes of pure Premier League shite. It comes to something when watching three fantastic late goals totally steal a lost cause does not even excite me any more. I think the only solution is to stop watching the games live, to await the result, and then relish the rare moments of glory that constitute the match highlites.

Sod the other 89 minutes!
Paul Hardcastle, Hoylake     Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:21:03

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Varun Rajwade
1   Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:33:07

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Paul, that's harsh... Trust me, I hated the game; we were miserable... I think that was the worst I have seen Everton play (and thats saying a lot)..

But 3 points, 3-1 away, 2 goals for Saha, all with 3 top players out (including our 2 most creative players).

Not bad. I would take this evry game... 7th (3 points from Manu) and 5 from Arsenal. Can't be all that bad. DM made the changes and they worked. Credit to him.
Dave Richman
2   Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:33:28

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Well we had an absolute monsoon here this afternoon / evening and as a result my satellite reception went to pot, and only really came back around the 75 minute mark..... So I watched a 15 minute game where we tore the opposition to shreds.... and James Vaughan started!! Hehehehe!!!

Perhaps that?s the key to it all.... only watch the last 15 / 10 / 5 minutes and we look brilliant.
Richard Dodd
3   Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:36:06

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Yet another example of how Davey can inspire our lads to apply themselves for the whole ninety minutes. Few managers can. This week we have debated endlessly whether ?the ends justifies the means.? Let?s just agree to say that it?s only the END result that MEANS anything! Well done Davey and the lads.
Lee Hind
4   Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:36:41

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No getting away from it, we were shite for 82.5 minutes. But, when the top teams don?t play well and get the result, isn? t that called "what makes a good team"?

I can think of three or four people on here who are going to say that 3 wins and a draw in our last 4 games isn?t good enough in the context of how we play. Utter twaddle ? what counts is the score at 90mins. We are out of sorts, out of form and STILL winning. Football is a results business and we?re getting the results.

I am absolutely confident that we will play a whole lot better than that in some games this season and come away empty handed. Maybe that will make to doom merchants on here happy.

Paul O'Hanlon
5   Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:34:03

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Know exactly what you mean, Paul. I go the home games and usually find a pub in town to watch the aways, but couldn?t be arsed today. So I watched the Arse - Manure game which was a cracker, and then sat back with a few beers and watched the results come in. Much more enjoyable!

Seriously though, thank fuck for Saha cos we sounded awful today. Whilst we?re winning, this style of play will be accepted by the majority. I just hope we pickup our performances soon, cos unlike the shite, we?re not blessed with the luck to be able to continue fluking wins.

Anyone after a ticket for the Boro game next Sunday? I?m plannin on bunking in for the last 10mins to catch our goals :-p
Lee Rogers
6   Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:51:16

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Has anyone got a link so I can see the goals?
Lee Rogers
7   Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:53:54

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We are game of the day on Sky... woohoo!
Steve Guy
8   Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:58:50

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By the way, we are now only 3 points off Champions league spots !! :-)
Steve Walmsley
9   Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:51:25

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I?m just gutted we conceded a goal, well you can?t please everyone ? stop moaning guys or stop watching!
Michael Hunt
10   Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:46:09

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Without a doubt, the last 10 mins were brilliant.... shame about the previous 80 but I think real signs of progression can be seen:

1) Saha is class and is regaining fitness, touch and confidence all the time (not to mention the GOALS!)

2) Vaughan?s performance has hopefully forged himself a proper chance and he looks a very good partner for Saha (therefore putting worthwhile pressure on the underperforming Yak).

3) Cahill looks below par but I feel it is inevitable his edge and sharpness will return very soon.

4) Big Vic put a proper shift in on the right and is a worthwhile (and very different) option there for us.

5) Arteta?s crosses have started beating the first man again at last!

6) Lescott bagged a cracking headed goal and that will help his confidence, plus he seemed to grow in sharpness and confidence as the game progressed.

7) Pienaar and Yak are to come back in.

8) Three wins on the bounce is proper momentum.

9) Howard seems to be getting back to his considerable best.

10) The players are working hard and the performances seem destined to improve based on the above momentum.

John Sreet
11   Posted 08/11/2008 at 18:04:41

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So stop watching, then you?ll stop moaning........problem solved. So we?re crap, as almost every other ?fan? on this site posts......ok so we must be the luckiest team in the league.........oh to be a Hammers fan, or a Newcastle fan, or a Hull fan, or maybe Tottenham, or perhaps Portsmouth or Wigan,.......etc How happy Saturdays would be... grow up!
David Reid
12   Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:53:46

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For all you purists out there, West Ham play some neat stuff on the floor but as a result they haven?t won in six outings. Contrast us, we all would like to see Everton play a similar style & some day we might but the last 10 mins today & the against Manure have shown we have a never-say-die spirit which is just as important as slick football. The cream will rise to the top, just give it time. Coyb.
Bilbo Baggins
13   Posted 08/11/2008 at 18:11:52

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What a load of shite, watched the game today and thought we were awful, just watching WBA against the shite and they are playing very good football and look as if they could get something from the game.

Cahill overated, Osman ? boy in a man's game, Arteta has been awol for over a year, and get Baines in at left back, Moyes is a shithouse trying to keep Lescott happy and constantly playing him out of position.

Ian Tunny
14   Posted 08/11/2008 at 18:23:28

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To the Hoobbit:

Did'nt Lescott score today? Didnt' we we win the game?

You chat shit an you are the shithouse who won't give his real name.
John Martin
15   Posted 08/11/2008 at 18:30:06

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Lescott looked very happy when he came off the pitch today. As for playin like West Brom, they are getting beat 2-nil, are wide open at the back and naive beyond belief. And as for their good football, they have not created a chance yet and will be beaten by 4 at least. I?ll stick to being a blue thanks, Bilbo.
Phil Hamer
16   Posted 08/11/2008 at 18:23:25

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Yeah, West Brom, that's who we should try to emulate. Lots of fancy one touch passing in our own half, and hardly getting close to the opponents penalty area for the whole match.

Sorry, that's just nonsense. If you refuse to play long passes, you?ll just get owned by every Premier League team.

Anthony Keating
17   Posted 08/11/2008 at 18:28:55

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Whats all the fucking moaning about? Yeah it was bad first 80 mins, but a game lasts for 90. And we won it. 3-1.
Alan Mates
18   Posted 08/11/2008 at 18:47:26

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WTF cares whether we play shite away from home? 99% of us don?t go so the only thing that matters is that we win. In fact, for most of us, that?s the only thing that matters at home too. Just stop fucking moaning. Moyes is a genius! Full Stop.
Billy Bradshaw
19   Posted 08/11/2008 at 18:54:36

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Mr Tunny, you're dead funny, here's my name, so dont call me that. Mr Moyes is a shithouse, he won't drop one of the centre backs to accomodate a left back we paid £06 million for. I personally am fed up of the style of football we play, it's boring, and by the way WHU haven't had a clean sheet for 24 games so please don't get over-excited.
Duncan Broadbent
20   Posted 08/11/2008 at 19:20:33

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Re Billy or whatever you want to call yourself, we won and got 3 points. Why don't you put your efforts into supporting the team instead of slagging it off?
Ian Tunny
21   Posted 08/11/2008 at 19:26:13

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Why would he drop any one from a winning team?

Why would he drop a defender when we've had a couple of clean sheets lately?

So I have to disagree when you call him a shithouse, in fact I am offended. So why shouldn't I call you a shithouse? Its not nice is it?

I think if you watch a lot of teams, they are boring, and the ones that do play football, apart from the 4, are near the bottom of the league.

It doesn't matter how you win as long as you win.
Richard Griffiths
22   Posted 08/11/2008 at 19:31:07

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What is Brian Read and Derek McGovern’s fixation with Arsenal’s "struggles"? Is it to mask the reality which is the RS are exactly that: RS.
PS Luv saturday’s when we win. Saha - no longer Haha
Ped Pearl
23   Posted 08/11/2008 at 19:24:17

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Lee Rogers

http://evertonclips.blogspot.com/
goal highlights appear a few hours after each game. also links available to download full games or each half.
http://www.thescore.com/bpl/
all prem goals and highlights for each game posted approx 24 hours after each match has ended.
Gerald Foo
24   Posted 08/11/2008 at 19:56:43

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So we won today. yippee. Sorry if I don?t sound too excited, but we had a very generous West Ham collapse to thank for our win.

I?m normally one of those who didn?t care how we played as long as we won. But today, for the first time, I realised how poor a football team we are. No width at all, non-existent midfield, fullbacks not venturing past the half-way line, isolated striker and general all around poor passing.

Only after we went 1 down did our full backs start pushing up. Was this a specific instruction by the coaching staff? If it was, then we?re in more trouble than I thought...

No wonder we were under the cosh for 85mins. Every time our defenders got the ball, no midfielder came to collect and they were forced to pump it forward before they were dispossesed. We might as well play a 4-0-6 then. Put everyone up front and we just pump it. We don?t use our midfield anyway!

Once again, I?m happy that we won but c'mon... can?t we play some decent football?
Billy Bradshaw
25   Posted 08/11/2008 at 19:45:05

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Ian, sorry I am not Michael, but I do agree with him on Mr Moyes. He has become a very negative manager whose team plays with no creativity style or cohesion. As for Tunny, most teams are boring but Mr Moyes has had 6 Years and we are playing no better football than when he took over, we may be a better defensive unit, but as for flair and attacking football we, haven't progressed at all.
Lee Hind
26   Posted 08/11/2008 at 20:08:31

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Gerald Foo,
Would you rather we played better, the Hammers had not switched off after 80 mins and we lost the match?

Man alive, we?re away from home, everyone and his dog can see we?re struggling for form. We win the game and still people grumble.

How about we grumble when we lose, be thankful when we win whilst playing badly, shout from the rooftops when we pass a team off the park.... how hard is that?

Ped Pearl
27   Posted 08/11/2008 at 20:13:37

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I think some of the posts on here are very poor. We have played some great football under Moyes over the last few years. Now that we are struggling a bit we have had to change our style and grind out results until we turn the corner... and that is exactly what we are doing. It's not pretty but its working. Wins mean confidence so I expect our play will improve. Cahill and Arteta have been especially poor lately. Got to keep faith in Moyes... actually I think we are crying out for VDM and wish he would catch a break at least off the bench as his crossing and speed would give us another dimension.
Lee Hind
28   Posted 08/11/2008 at 20:27:46

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Billy Bradshaw: "most teams are boring but Mr Moyes has had 6 Years and we are playing no better football than when he took over" ? proof positive you have no idea what you?re talking about. Anyone who thinks the last 6 years were no better than before Moyes is deluded.
Ian Tunny
29   Posted 08/11/2008 at 20:27:41

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Yes at the moment we are not playing better football than we were when Moyes took over but the results have improved and that's what counts, he's doing his job. I think with a fully fit side and when the players are in form we do play good football.

The better the results, the better the finish in the table, the more money we have to spend the better the players that come in which equals better football.

Moyes is doing a great job, we will improve.
Billy Bradshaw
30   Posted 08/11/2008 at 20:46:27

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Call me Mr Deluded but the crap we are watching is no better than when Moyes took over. we have been lucky with every win we have had this season, and we havnt had one decent 90 mins since Aug. By the way we are now into November !!
Paul Hardcastle
31   Posted 08/11/2008 at 20:53:50

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Ian Tunny, if you think that logic train you espouse is true, you must have spent the whole of last summer away on your hols.

We had a better finish in the table ? 5th. But guess what: there was no real money to spend... the better players we were (supposedly) chasing did not come in, and to cap it all, we are not playing better football. Open your feckin eyes, boy!
Matthew Salem
32   Posted 08/11/2008 at 21:08:21

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I watched the game amongst a group of Hammers fans, some of them my mates. I must admit that I was embarrassed that we won this game, the way we played over 75min. On the same token, results matter, nothing else, and we got the result. Well done, Jolly and Louis especially!
Peter Hall
33   Posted 08/11/2008 at 21:19:30

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Bilbo ? it?s the ring. Everybody who wears it ends up a WBA supporter ? having strange ideas that they are better than teams like Everton. It?s hard, I know but you have our sympathies. And by the way it?s www.wba.co.uk, so you can have some friends.
Colin Martin
34   Posted 08/11/2008 at 21:29:50

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We were shit for 80 minutes, but who gives a fuck? Another 3 points in the bag!
Ian Tunny
35   Posted 08/11/2008 at 21:29:41

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Billy have you watched the league leaders Liverpool this season?

They were awful the 1st few games and ?luckily? got wins and draws when perhaps they should have lost. They played their best 90mins of football against Spurs according to Mark Lewrensen and lost. It happens.

You create you own luck by having fitter players and more quality players, that is why we are winning not because of luck.

And Paul

?there was no real money to spend... the better players we were (supposedly) chasing did not come in,?

We smashed our transfer record and brought in a player who's scored in his last 3 games accumulating 7 points for the team and is improving with every game.
Mike Oates
36   Posted 08/11/2008 at 21:35:25

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Once again we get out of jail ? I just couldn?t watch anymore today that I shut the computer off after 80 mins ? well, still that?s life. Sign of a good team to win whilst playing poorly ? yes, if it's the odd game here and there, but not every bloody game we?ve played recently.

Don't get me wrong, I?ll take 3pts any day rather than loosing. But what we are crying out for is some PACE in the team. We, as the bloody commentators said today, are too one-dimensional ? we play sideways and sideways and sideways... never any cut and thrust. We don't know what a counter-attack is. Our time from box to box must be about 10 minutes compared to 10 seconds for Man U, Liverpool, AV, even West Ham.

When are we going to see fast first-time passing with the ball going forward ? will the day ever come or are we stuck with grinding results out.
Billy Bradshaw
37   Posted 08/11/2008 at 22:25:49

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What I was trying to say, Pete is that WBA try to play the game the right way, keeping the ball on the floor, defenders trying to play football from the back and sticking to their principles. I know they will be favourites to go down and will lose more than they will win but I think the way we have played this season is the worst since Moyes took over. The attendances don't lie.
Baz Johns
38   Posted 08/11/2008 at 23:12:35

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I must be reading up on a different match here. Sure we were poor for large parts of the game, but after watching the 90 minutes myself it?s not like Howard was making save after save!! If you care to look at the stats, total shots were 17 each, corners 9 to 4 in their favour, and possessions 57 to 43% in their favour. Doesn?t look like the stats that support the ridiculous post match analysis by the likes of that Brummy Prick Collymore!

You?d think West Ham had been camped in the Blues 25 and having wave after wave of attacks the way some of the media have reacted to this and quite frankly I wouldn?t expect to see similar headlines on a Blue website!! As was mentioned by one of the earlier posts, is this not the sign of a decent team that they can be the poorer team across the 90 mins and still come away with a positive result?

Ian Tunny
39   Posted 08/11/2008 at 23:37:30

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No, Billy, the points don't lie. More people are just watching on the TV.
Andy Crooks
40   Posted 09/11/2008 at 00:17:18

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Ian Tunny,
no doubt, as Liverpool did against Spurs, teams play great football and lose. When did this last happen to Everton? Not this season as I recall.

I am as pleased as anyone at our points tally but be honest, we really don?t deserve to be in seventh place. I just listened to DM on match of the day state that he really didn?t expect the comeback that transpired. Is no one else appalled at that? A year ago I was a supporter of David Moyes but this season something has changed. I fear that he is in a comfort zone knowing that Kenwright will never sack him and any new investor can?t really afford to.
I asked on another post whether we had bad players or a bad coach and was pretty well slated. A recurring comment is we are getting results while playing badly; wait 'til we start to play well. I think it?s getting too far into the season to be waiting for our team to play well. Maybe this is as good as we are. We could quite easily and deservedly be bottom of the table. Ian, the points do lie.

Keith Glazzard
41   Posted 09/11/2008 at 00:05:59

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I go along with Baz. Just watched MotD and Motson (god help us) who could hardly name an Everton player, naturally for a southerner blamed the 'Ammers for their own downfall. No credit to the visitors.

What struck me about our equaliser (West Ham went to sleep; at walking pace ? said the great man) was that the home team was knackered, probably from playing a high-paced game for an hour or more.

Lovely ball through from Osman to Saha who had five players in the box to cross to. And what was Lescott doing up there anyway? What a finish ? superb. After that maybe Motson was right saying that they fell apart, but only because we forced them to ? something he didn?t say. The number of blue shirts in their half of the field was almost suicidal, but they had run out of energy by now.

Survival of the fittest in football terms means up to the final whistle, and this isn?t only physical conditioning (which seems to be good) but mental attitude as well. The boys done good today.

Ian Tunny
42   Posted 09/11/2008 at 00:41:59

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Sorry, Andy, but it's daft what you say. Yes, it is still early days and the league placings can shift a lot after only a game or 2 but the league table doesn't lie otherwise why would Man U be crowned champions if it did? That is why the usual top 4 are in the top 4.

We are scoring late winners because Moyes has brought in a quality proven goal scorerin the shape of Saha, the difference was we had more quality than them to take advantage of the few chances we had.

As for the Spurs - Liverpool game, that was their only game of the season were they have played well for 90 mins, it's yet to happen for us but when our best players are back in the team I'm sure it will happen very soon.
Andy Crooks
43   Posted 09/11/2008 at 01:05:41

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Ian, the league table doesn?t lie after 38 games but it is certainly lying now. We scored three late goals today because West Ham are shite. Even our coach didn?t expect it. Hull are in a false position, Spurs are in a false position and, sorry to say, we are in a false position.

Having said that, I hope that Moyes can find the passion we showed against Man U; but why has it not been seen since?

Jimmy Hoffa
44   Posted 09/11/2008 at 00:45:49

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Dudes,

I think we played like crap in the 1st half. My money is that it?s all part of the plan. To hold them at bay in the 1st half and play good football in the second.

In the second, I think we played radical football. We were all over West Ham and were unlucky that them dudes scored on the break. Mofos didn?t come back down to defend on time and West Ham scored. But I never gave up and judging from how we played, it was a matter of time before we scored.

Then we scored 3 goals and won. We were the better team in the second half and we got the goals we deserved.
John Gee
45   Posted 09/11/2008 at 01:17:35

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Ten points out of a possible twelve, 2 away wins, 2 clean sheets, 2 goals conceded, a draw with the european champions... and still the same Moyes haters are finding something to moan about!

I think that you "haters" would rather see Everton lose than win because you love sticking the boot in to Moyes.

And Andy Crooks, we finished 4th and 5th in the last two seasons... we?re in a false position? Come on mate, get it together.
Ben Hunt
46   Posted 09/11/2008 at 01:19:39

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Jesus Christ.

We’ve won today 3-1, won the previous two games 1-0 and the one before that 1-1 against the defending league champions.

To my reckoning that’s 6 scored and 2 conceded in 4 games, with a total point gain of 10 out of a possible 12.

No, we aren’t playing well for 90 minutes, but we are defending with more confidence as the weeks go by and despite not pressurising teams for as long as we’d like, we are clearly creating the chances to score goals at crucial times. Whether West Ham’s defence crumbled today doesn’t matter, the fact is we took the chances when presented to us.

When you play away from home you can’t expect to dominate, even the ’sky 4’ often withstand a fair bit of pressure away from home against the lesser teams, but usually manage to nick a goal - much like we did today.

Give the lads some bleeding credit.
Chris Sudall
47   Posted 09/11/2008 at 01:22:29

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I was at the game. I can only say:

"YESSSSSSSSSSSS"

Come on you blues!!!!
Gerry Killen
48   Posted 09/11/2008 at 03:57:28

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I've followed the Blues since the late 50s. I haven't got Sky, so what I've done for years is to wake up in the early hours of the morning, try not to wake the Misses up, and tune into Radio Five Live on my Walkman and hopefully hear some of the game, which finished about 3am. I would have settled for 1-1 but it was a great finish for us and Saha and Lescott. Go The Blues.
Blair Johnson
49   Posted 09/11/2008 at 07:46:35

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Of course it’s not pretty but after the turmoil and vitriol of the close season... who wouldn’t take 3 wins in a row, 7th place and Saha banging some in...

COYB

Jimmy Last
50   Posted 09/11/2008 at 07:59:45

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Sorry this is a bit late, but for goals (which come online pretty soon after they go in) you can go to www.101greatgoals.com.

I was watching the scores online and with 10 minutes to go, and after reading about how bad we were from the thread on here, I resigned myself to defeat and went and did something else. When I came back half an hour later just for closure I couldn’t believe my eyes! Granted we may have been rubbish, but finally something Everton related which put a smile on my face!!
Jason Lam
51   Posted 09/11/2008 at 08:07:07

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Isn?t this what footie?s all about? Otherwise we would watch high scoring sports like basketball. I thought Moyes got his tactics right, but it?s becoming obvious we are overcrowding the right wing and playing Anichebe as target man on the right. Whip in some crosses and hope for Cahill or whichever striker to nick in some headers.

Osman had another good game, he?s finding the space he needs in front of the back 4. Rodwell is lacking experience as expected of a 17-year-old. He needs to track back for ALL counterattacks like Osman. We lost the goal because we didn?t have enough willing numbers back. I thought I saw Osman bollock Rodwell on an earlier break. I think things are looking up. COYB

Michael Simmons
52   Posted 09/11/2008 at 08:22:09

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Moyes can get them playing all the crap he likes as long as the lads keep winning. I must say he?s an innovator. Whoever heard of ?keep it tight and try to nick three??
We could become the first ?crap team? to break into the Top Four!
John Sreet
53   Posted 09/11/2008 at 09:00:15

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Well I wasn?t at the game, but I?ve watched football first and MOTD, didn?t seem like we were overun, outplayed. Howard didn?t make save after save, we weren?t played off the park, or dominated like I have read and heard that idiot Hansen say.

Yeah they were better, so what? Yeah, they had more possession, so what? We played decent enough for a team that?s struggling, and the fact that they lost os down to their inabilities and our taking the opportunities... Saha... two opportunist goals, and Lescott brilliant goal.
Phil Neville looked good, so did Lescott. I thought we look like we?re getting better.

Dave Roberts
54   Posted 09/11/2008 at 10:10:59

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Perhaps it’s just a case of what goes around comes around!

OK we were lucky and didn’t play well and won 3-1. But it’s not so long ago we played Arsenal off the pitch for 80 minutes and got hammered 4-1. They were punting long balls down the middle and we had defenders falling over and giving them goals!

We also played Man U off the pitch for 70 minutes and got beat 4-2 with our goalie chucking the ball into his own net and an own goal from Neville.

Then we all remember the Clattenberg Derby don’t we? And the 9 penalties AJ didn’t get last year and which could have got us into the top four if we’d have scored a few of them.

Maybe we’re just getting our share of the luck for a change. It’s about bloody time if you ask me!
Ray Robinson
55   Posted 09/11/2008 at 10:23:36

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For once I didn’t go to the match, instead watched some of the extended highlights on Sky. I didn’t think that we were half as bad as some people reckon but, admittedly, played for a long time without penetration.

For me the difference again was the crossing from the wing. We’ve got some decent headers in the team and the goals against Bolton, Fulham and the first yeserday all came from crosses the right wing, as opposed to big punts down the middle from the back. Getting someone wide with the ability to whip in quality crosses seems to be the area we’ve improved in.
Brian Waring
56   Posted 09/11/2008 at 10:52:43

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I was at the game yesterday, and John Sreet, West Ham were all over us, and should have been 3 up by half-time. We we?re fucking woeful to watch (again) yesterday, but, I suppose 3pts is all that matters.

Some of you lads are missing the point, we have now played 12 league games, and of them games, we had a decent 1st half against Arsenal, and a great 2nd half against the Mancs, but for the rest of the time we have been fucking terrible to watch... So, while we should be happy when we win, that doesn?t mean we have to be happy with the shite football we are served up.

Trevor Lynes
57   Posted 09/11/2008 at 11:20:11

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OK we mugged West Ham after being badly outplayed and we could easily have been three down except for poor finishing and great blocking by an overworked defence. I'm as pleased and astonished by the turn around as much as DM appeared to be but it does not disguise the fact that we are woeful in a lot of the basic abilities required: keeping the ball, controlling the ball and passing accurately.

I am a supporter of EFC for far longer than most of the people writing on this forum BUT I don't fool myself by blinding myself to the glaringly obvious ineptitude of a lot of our professional players... IF WE COULD JUST BUY ONE DECENT PLAYER you would make him an absolute hero because we have been on a starvation diet of class players for years.

Don't talk about money either. Clichy, Fabregas, Toure and plenty of others have cost buttons. We badly need a real class playmaker to lift us all. Don't settle for the dire stuff we are being served up just because we have clawed a few points from games by sheer effort. The season is long and we are running the risk of tailing off again because of burn out, suspensions and injuries. Get the ball down and play properly and win with some style!!

Tony Williams
58   Posted 09/11/2008 at 12:07:42

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What is with people continually saying, if they had scored their chance, if we played a better side? etc

We won because we scored 3 goals to their 1. I watched the full game in the pub and yes it was daylight robbery but the fact was they didn?t take their chances and we did. It ranked up their with the Fulham games as one of the worst I have watched but you know what? I don?t give a toss because we won and I will never forget the sight of a grown man swinging from the light in the Brook pub when we got our third.

Enjoy the win instead of looking for things to moan at.
Tony Williams
59   Posted 09/11/2008 at 12:11:45

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Forget to say, Paul, if 3 goals in 5 mins can?t excite you anymore maybe you should stop watching all together then..... just a thought.
Anto Meehan
60   Posted 09/11/2008 at 12:48:57

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Only out of bed after paddy power paid for my night out last night!!

Had the blues to win -1 goal at 11/2 and threw 20 quid on it.

I?m no Moyes lover but I?ll be the first to put my hands up if he turns this season around, anyone who wasn?t going mental yesterday as the goals went in should give up watching football ? that's what it's all about, HIGH FUCKING DRAMA.

We?ve been on the wrong end of matches like that too often and in the last 10 years or so I can only compare it to Radzinski's 2 late goals to beat Southampton a few years ago.
Frank Castle
61   Posted 09/11/2008 at 13:30:17

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WHY THE HELL ARE WE COMPLAING?!

Liverpool have won 2-3 matches this season while being 1-2 goals down, played pure shit but are sitting on top of the league. Are there fans complaining? No. They are glad to have won the game. There is no better feeling for a footballer to finish a game as a WINNER - scoring 4 goals and losing a match will stick and make you feel like a loser.

Let's show more support, we are 7th in the league while playing pretty poorly, where would we finish when we start playing better gives us great hope.
Dave Wilson
62   Posted 09/11/2008 at 13:27:00

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Sorry guys, I can't have any these claims that we "stole the points".

We very much second best in the first half; people like, Parker and Bowyer had far too much nous and power for young Jack and Osman. Jack's still a baby and this won't be the last runaround he gets from old pros as he learns his trade, that's part of the process.

Played off the park? not quite, West Ham were not that good, but we were very poor and we could have been a couple down at the interval. The second half was a completely different story.

Ok, fair play to the Hammers, they scored a decent goal, but apart from a long range effort from Bellamy that my missus would have saved they never threatened again.

On the other hand, Vic found Cahill unmarked in the box, normally a match sharp Cahill would have burried it, but he took too long to control it and a great chance went begging

Lescot nodded down a cross that Vaughany only failed to convert by the length of a stud ? I was right behind it, honestly it was deperately close.

Young Jack grazed the post with a close range header ? in a year, he?ll be burrying them. We forced a succession of corners throughout the half, Big Vic had them in trouble several times, only to let them off the hook by choosing the wrong option. Vaughany's introduction gave us an energy up front that almost instantly had them on the back foot. The longer we played the more West Ham faded

Ok our football wasn't as classy as we want it to be, but it's abject nonsense to claim we only came into it in the last 5 minutes. We were easily the better team in the second half, if we took all our chances, we?d have hit this crew for six.

One last point. The Evertonians once again showed up in their thousands, they were going bananas by the end, I mean absolutely fucking mental... musta been shite mustn?t it?

Mick Gallagher
63   Posted 09/11/2008 at 15:48:26

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Fuck me there?s no pleasing some people. Try telling the 3000 in the away end that was shite. Yes, we all know we played shit for must of the game but I didn?t hear anyone moaning leaving the ground. The 17 on our mini bus didn?t sound pissed off all the way home. So most on here would rather see us dominant a game for 70 minutes but get fuck all from, well I fucking don?t.
James Boden
64   Posted 09/11/2008 at 14:48:51

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Now I've been very critical of Everton in recent weeks but I will not accept that it was daylight robbery. I was at the game and I can tell you that we didn't get battered for 80 minutes.

1st 20 minutes were 50/50, then last 25 minutes were all West Ham. Thankfully, Howard made 2 superb saves. But 2nd half with exception of odd spell it was all Everton. Their goal came from a penalty we should have had. And the last 25 minutes we ripped West Ham apart.

Now despite what Sky commentators or Match Of The Day may have made out, West Ham didn't dominate proceedings. On Match Of The Day it showed Scott Parker volleying over but it never showed Saha's volley in the 1st minute. It didnt show the one where if Vaughan had got a touch it would have been in the back of the net. And did they give credit when we came back? Of course not. Instead it was because West Ham collapsed. We got lucky. Yeah RIght?

We had them on the rails and the goal deservedly came, and when it did you got the feeling we'd go on and win it. And we did. 3 goals in 5 minutes. What a magnificent feeling that was. Of course there were negatives. Cahill was totally ineffective, Osman was painfully average, as was Yobo, and most frustratingly of all it took the goal to wake us up. Why can't we play like that from the start?

However, I also saw plenty of positives. Howard was superb and I'm starting to feel confident with him again. Jajielka again couldn't argue with... Neville had another good performance. Lescott played well 2nd half and thank christ for his goal ? hopefully that'll wake him up. Rodwell played ok, got caught a few times in possession but he's learning. Arteta played well 2nd half and his delivery was actually quite threatening for once. Anichebe I thought had a good game, and while Saha was average up till final 10 minutes, you couldn't argue with his contribution for the final 3 goals, and at the end of the day that's what we bought him for. 2 goals and an assist all with his weaker right foot.

But my man of the match was James Vaughan. His contribution when he came on was outstanding and he turned the game on its head. And it was no coincidence that when we played football we dictated. And 3 goals in 5 minutes was an incredible thing to happen. It showed we had a killer instinct, and even when we scored the 2nd we knew we needed 3rd to kill off game, and indeed we got that a couple of minutes later when we hit them we they least expected it.

I'm a pessimist and I've slagged off Moyes and Everton many times on this website but for once I'm going to leave it because I'm satisfied. Maybe we can finish top 6 after all. And one final point. Now since the Premier League has has been considered the best league in the world, and Everton are the form team, thus according to logic, at this present moment ? EVERTON ARE THE WORLD'S TOP TEAM.
COYB FTRS

Andy Crooks
65   Posted 09/11/2008 at 16:27:32

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John.
I honestly don?t believe that there are "haters " on this site who like to see Everton lose in order to stick the boot into Moyes. Just Blues with different opinions. For myself, when we lose not just my weekend but my entire week is blighted. I dread to think what it must be like for those who work with kopites.
Dennis Karanikolopoulos
66   Posted 09/11/2008 at 08:12:09

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Mikel Arteta was ill leading up to the game, and Cahill had an injury to the sole of his foot. Sure, it showed, but sheesh, good win considering!!! Despite the win though, why wouldn't we play Castillo holding, and give either Arteta or Cahill a rest?
Ciarán McGlone
67   Posted 10/11/2008 at 13:40:01

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Dave Richman,

You lucky sod. The monsoon hit my dish with ten minutes to go... so I got the previous 80 minutes of complete and utter dross.
Ciarán McGlone
68   Posted 10/11/2008 at 13:42:17

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"Yet another example of how Davey can inspire our lads to apply themselves for the whole ninety minutes."

Dear Christ.

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