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Wow! That was some finish to a game...
Unfortunatley, I was by that point totally brain-dead, after having suffered through another 80 minutes of pure Premier League shite. It comes to something when watching three fantastic late goals totally steal a lost cause does not even excite me any more. I think the only solution is to stop watching the games live, to await the result, and then relish the rare moments of glory that constitute the match highlites.
Sod the other 89 minutes!
Paul Hardcastle, Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:21:03
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Perhaps that?s the key to it all.... only watch the last 15 / 10 / 5 minutes and we look brilliant.
I can think of three or four people on here who are going to say that 3 wins and a draw in our last 4 games isn?t good enough in the context of how we play. Utter twaddle ? what counts is the score at 90mins. We are out of sorts, out of form and STILL winning. Football is a results business and we?re getting the results.
I am absolutely confident that we will play a whole lot better than that in some games this season and come away empty handed. Maybe that will make to doom merchants on here happy.
Seriously though, thank fuck for Saha cos we sounded awful today. Whilst we?re winning, this style of play will be accepted by the majority. I just hope we pickup our performances soon, cos unlike the shite, we?re not blessed with the luck to be able to continue fluking wins.
Anyone after a ticket for the Boro game next Sunday? I?m plannin on bunking in for the last 10mins to catch our goals :-p
1) Saha is class and is regaining fitness, touch and confidence all the time (not to mention the GOALS!)
2) Vaughan?s performance has hopefully forged himself a proper chance and he looks a very good partner for Saha (therefore putting worthwhile pressure on the underperforming Yak).
3) Cahill looks below par but I feel it is inevitable his edge and sharpness will return very soon.
4) Big Vic put a proper shift in on the right and is a worthwhile (and very different) option there for us.
5) Arteta?s crosses have started beating the first man again at last!
6) Lescott bagged a cracking headed goal and that will help his confidence, plus he seemed to grow in sharpness and confidence as the game progressed.
7) Pienaar and Yak are to come back in.
8) Three wins on the bounce is proper momentum.
9) Howard seems to be getting back to his considerable best.
10) The players are working hard and the performances seem destined to improve based on the above momentum.
Cahill overated, Osman ? boy in a man's game, Arteta has been awol for over a year, and get Baines in at left back, Moyes is a shithouse trying to keep Lescott happy and constantly playing him out of position.
Did'nt Lescott score today? Didnt' we we win the game?
You chat shit an you are the shithouse who won't give his real name.
Sorry, that's just nonsense. If you refuse to play long passes, you?ll just get owned by every Premier League team.
Why would he drop a defender when we've had a couple of clean sheets lately?
So I have to disagree when you call him a shithouse, in fact I am offended. So why shouldn't I call you a shithouse? Its not nice is it?
I think if you watch a lot of teams, they are boring, and the ones that do play football, apart from the 4, are near the bottom of the league.
It doesn't matter how you win as long as you win.
PS Luv saturday’s when we win. Saha - no longer Haha
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I?m normally one of those who didn?t care how we played as long as we won. But today, for the first time, I realised how poor a football team we are. No width at all, non-existent midfield, fullbacks not venturing past the half-way line, isolated striker and general all around poor passing.
Only after we went 1 down did our full backs start pushing up. Was this a specific instruction by the coaching staff? If it was, then we?re in more trouble than I thought...
No wonder we were under the cosh for 85mins. Every time our defenders got the ball, no midfielder came to collect and they were forced to pump it forward before they were dispossesed. We might as well play a 4-0-6 then. Put everyone up front and we just pump it. We don?t use our midfield anyway!
Once again, I?m happy that we won but c'mon... can?t we play some decent football?
Would you rather we played better, the Hammers had not switched off after 80 mins and we lost the match?
Man alive, we?re away from home, everyone and his dog can see we?re struggling for form. We win the game and still people grumble.
How about we grumble when we lose, be thankful when we win whilst playing badly, shout from the rooftops when we pass a team off the park.... how hard is that?
The better the results, the better the finish in the table, the more money we have to spend the better the players that come in which equals better football.
Moyes is doing a great job, we will improve.
We had a better finish in the table ? 5th. But guess what: there was no real money to spend... the better players we were (supposedly) chasing did not come in, and to cap it all, we are not playing better football. Open your feckin eyes, boy!
They were awful the 1st few games and ?luckily? got wins and draws when perhaps they should have lost. They played their best 90mins of football against Spurs according to Mark Lewrensen and lost. It happens.
You create you own luck by having fitter players and more quality players, that is why we are winning not because of luck.
And Paul
?there was no real money to spend... the better players we were (supposedly) chasing did not come in,?
We smashed our transfer record and brought in a player who's scored in his last 3 games accumulating 7 points for the team and is improving with every game.
Don't get me wrong, I?ll take 3pts any day rather than loosing. But what we are crying out for is some PACE in the team. We, as the bloody commentators said today, are too one-dimensional ? we play sideways and sideways and sideways... never any cut and thrust. We don't know what a counter-attack is. Our time from box to box must be about 10 minutes compared to 10 seconds for Man U, Liverpool, AV, even West Ham.
When are we going to see fast first-time passing with the ball going forward ? will the day ever come or are we stuck with grinding results out.
You?d think West Ham had been camped in the Blues 25 and having wave after wave of attacks the way some of the media have reacted to this and quite frankly I wouldn?t expect to see similar headlines on a Blue website!! As was mentioned by one of the earlier posts, is this not the sign of a decent team that they can be the poorer team across the 90 mins and still come away with a positive result?
no doubt, as Liverpool did against Spurs, teams play great football and lose. When did this last happen to Everton? Not this season as I recall.
I am as pleased as anyone at our points tally but be honest, we really don?t deserve to be in seventh place. I just listened to DM on match of the day state that he really didn?t expect the comeback that transpired. Is no one else appalled at that? A year ago I was a supporter of David Moyes but this season something has changed. I fear that he is in a comfort zone knowing that Kenwright will never sack him and any new investor can?t really afford to.
I asked on another post whether we had bad players or a bad coach and was pretty well slated. A recurring comment is we are getting results while playing badly; wait 'til we start to play well. I think it?s getting too far into the season to be waiting for our team to play well. Maybe this is as good as we are. We could quite easily and deservedly be bottom of the table. Ian, the points do lie.
What struck me about our equaliser (West Ham went to sleep; at walking pace ? said the great man) was that the home team was knackered, probably from playing a high-paced game for an hour or more.
Lovely ball through from Osman to Saha who had five players in the box to cross to. And what was Lescott doing up there anyway? What a finish ? superb. After that maybe Motson was right saying that they fell apart, but only because we forced them to ? something he didn?t say. The number of blue shirts in their half of the field was almost suicidal, but they had run out of energy by now.
Survival of the fittest in football terms means up to the final whistle, and this isn?t only physical conditioning (which seems to be good) but mental attitude as well. The boys done good today.
We are scoring late winners because Moyes has brought in a quality proven goal scorerin the shape of Saha, the difference was we had more quality than them to take advantage of the few chances we had.
As for the Spurs - Liverpool game, that was their only game of the season were they have played well for 90 mins, it's yet to happen for us but when our best players are back in the team I'm sure it will happen very soon.
Having said that, I hope that Moyes can find the passion we showed against Man U; but why has it not been seen since?
I think we played like crap in the 1st half. My money is that it?s all part of the plan. To hold them at bay in the 1st half and play good football in the second.
In the second, I think we played radical football. We were all over West Ham and were unlucky that them dudes scored on the break. Mofos didn?t come back down to defend on time and West Ham scored. But I never gave up and judging from how we played, it was a matter of time before we scored.
Then we scored 3 goals and won. We were the better team in the second half and we got the goals we deserved.
I think that you "haters" would rather see Everton lose than win because you love sticking the boot in to Moyes.
And Andy Crooks, we finished 4th and 5th in the last two seasons... we?re in a false position? Come on mate, get it together.
We’ve won today 3-1, won the previous two games 1-0 and the one before that 1-1 against the defending league champions.
To my reckoning that’s 6 scored and 2 conceded in 4 games, with a total point gain of 10 out of a possible 12.
No, we aren’t playing well for 90 minutes, but we are defending with more confidence as the weeks go by and despite not pressurising teams for as long as we’d like, we are clearly creating the chances to score goals at crucial times. Whether West Ham’s defence crumbled today doesn’t matter, the fact is we took the chances when presented to us.
When you play away from home you can’t expect to dominate, even the ’sky 4’ often withstand a fair bit of pressure away from home against the lesser teams, but usually manage to nick a goal - much like we did today.
Give the lads some bleeding credit.
"YESSSSSSSSSSSS"
Come on you blues!!!!
COYB
I was watching the scores online and with 10 minutes to go, and after reading about how bad we were from the thread on here, I resigned myself to defeat and went and did something else. When I came back half an hour later just for closure I couldn’t believe my eyes! Granted we may have been rubbish, but finally something Everton related which put a smile on my face!!
Osman had another good game, he?s finding the space he needs in front of the back 4. Rodwell is lacking experience as expected of a 17-year-old. He needs to track back for ALL counterattacks like Osman. We lost the goal because we didn?t have enough willing numbers back. I thought I saw Osman bollock Rodwell on an earlier break. I think things are looking up. COYB
We could become the first ?crap team? to break into the Top Four!
Yeah they were better, so what? Yeah, they had more possession, so what? We played decent enough for a team that?s struggling, and the fact that they lost os down to their inabilities and our taking the opportunities... Saha... two opportunist goals, and Lescott brilliant goal.
Phil Neville looked good, so did Lescott. I thought we look like we?re getting better.
OK we were lucky and didn’t play well and won 3-1. But it’s not so long ago we played Arsenal off the pitch for 80 minutes and got hammered 4-1. They were punting long balls down the middle and we had defenders falling over and giving them goals!
We also played Man U off the pitch for 70 minutes and got beat 4-2 with our goalie chucking the ball into his own net and an own goal from Neville.
Then we all remember the Clattenberg Derby don’t we? And the 9 penalties AJ didn’t get last year and which could have got us into the top four if we’d have scored a few of them.
Maybe we’re just getting our share of the luck for a change. It’s about bloody time if you ask me!
For me the difference again was the crossing from the wing. We’ve got some decent headers in the team and the goals against Bolton, Fulham and the first yeserday all came from crosses the right wing, as opposed to big punts down the middle from the back. Getting someone wide with the ability to whip in quality crosses seems to be the area we’ve improved in.
Some of you lads are missing the point, we have now played 12 league games, and of them games, we had a decent 1st half against Arsenal, and a great 2nd half against the Mancs, but for the rest of the time we have been fucking terrible to watch... So, while we should be happy when we win, that doesn?t mean we have to be happy with the shite football we are served up.
I am a supporter of EFC for far longer than most of the people writing on this forum BUT I don't fool myself by blinding myself to the glaringly obvious ineptitude of a lot of our professional players... IF WE COULD JUST BUY ONE DECENT PLAYER you would make him an absolute hero because we have been on a starvation diet of class players for years.
Don't talk about money either. Clichy, Fabregas, Toure and plenty of others have cost buttons. We badly need a real class playmaker to lift us all. Don't settle for the dire stuff we are being served up just because we have clawed a few points from games by sheer effort. The season is long and we are running the risk of tailing off again because of burn out, suspensions and injuries. Get the ball down and play properly and win with some style!!
We won because we scored 3 goals to their 1. I watched the full game in the pub and yes it was daylight robbery but the fact was they didn?t take their chances and we did. It ranked up their with the Fulham games as one of the worst I have watched but you know what? I don?t give a toss because we won and I will never forget the sight of a grown man swinging from the light in the Brook pub when we got our third.
Enjoy the win instead of looking for things to moan at.
Had the blues to win -1 goal at 11/2 and threw 20 quid on it.
I?m no Moyes lover but I?ll be the first to put my hands up if he turns this season around, anyone who wasn?t going mental yesterday as the goals went in should give up watching football ? that's what it's all about, HIGH FUCKING DRAMA.
We?ve been on the wrong end of matches like that too often and in the last 10 years or so I can only compare it to Radzinski's 2 late goals to beat Southampton a few years ago.
Liverpool have won 2-3 matches this season while being 1-2 goals down, played pure shit but are sitting on top of the league. Are there fans complaining? No. They are glad to have won the game. There is no better feeling for a footballer to finish a game as a WINNER - scoring 4 goals and losing a match will stick and make you feel like a loser.
Let's show more support, we are 7th in the league while playing pretty poorly, where would we finish when we start playing better gives us great hope.
We very much second best in the first half; people like, Parker and Bowyer had far too much nous and power for young Jack and Osman. Jack's still a baby and this won't be the last runaround he gets from old pros as he learns his trade, that's part of the process.
Played off the park? not quite, West Ham were not that good, but we were very poor and we could have been a couple down at the interval. The second half was a completely different story.
Ok, fair play to the Hammers, they scored a decent goal, but apart from a long range effort from Bellamy that my missus would have saved they never threatened again.
On the other hand, Vic found Cahill unmarked in the box, normally a match sharp Cahill would have burried it, but he took too long to control it and a great chance went begging
Lescot nodded down a cross that Vaughany only failed to convert by the length of a stud ? I was right behind it, honestly it was deperately close.
Young Jack grazed the post with a close range header ? in a year, he?ll be burrying them. We forced a succession of corners throughout the half, Big Vic had them in trouble several times, only to let them off the hook by choosing the wrong option. Vaughany's introduction gave us an energy up front that almost instantly had them on the back foot. The longer we played the more West Ham faded
Ok our football wasn't as classy as we want it to be, but it's abject nonsense to claim we only came into it in the last 5 minutes. We were easily the better team in the second half, if we took all our chances, we?d have hit this crew for six.
One last point. The Evertonians once again showed up in their thousands, they were going bananas by the end, I mean absolutely fucking mental... musta been shite mustn?t it?
1st 20 minutes were 50/50, then last 25 minutes were all West Ham. Thankfully, Howard made 2 superb saves. But 2nd half with exception of odd spell it was all Everton. Their goal came from a penalty we should have had. And the last 25 minutes we ripped West Ham apart.
Now despite what Sky commentators or Match Of The Day may have made out, West Ham didn't dominate proceedings. On Match Of The Day it showed Scott Parker volleying over but it never showed Saha's volley in the 1st minute. It didnt show the one where if Vaughan had got a touch it would have been in the back of the net. And did they give credit when we came back? Of course not. Instead it was because West Ham collapsed. We got lucky. Yeah RIght?
We had them on the rails and the goal deservedly came, and when it did you got the feeling we'd go on and win it. And we did. 3 goals in 5 minutes. What a magnificent feeling that was. Of course there were negatives. Cahill was totally ineffective, Osman was painfully average, as was Yobo, and most frustratingly of all it took the goal to wake us up. Why can't we play like that from the start?
However, I also saw plenty of positives. Howard was superb and I'm starting to feel confident with him again. Jajielka again couldn't argue with... Neville had another good performance. Lescott played well 2nd half and thank christ for his goal ? hopefully that'll wake him up. Rodwell played ok, got caught a few times in possession but he's learning. Arteta played well 2nd half and his delivery was actually quite threatening for once. Anichebe I thought had a good game, and while Saha was average up till final 10 minutes, you couldn't argue with his contribution for the final 3 goals, and at the end of the day that's what we bought him for. 2 goals and an assist all with his weaker right foot.
But my man of the match was James Vaughan. His contribution when he came on was outstanding and he turned the game on its head. And it was no coincidence that when we played football we dictated. And 3 goals in 5 minutes was an incredible thing to happen. It showed we had a killer instinct, and even when we scored the 2nd we knew we needed 3rd to kill off game, and indeed we got that a couple of minutes later when we hit them we they least expected it.
I'm a pessimist and I've slagged off Moyes and Everton many times on this website but for once I'm going to leave it because I'm satisfied. Maybe we can finish top 6 after all. And one final point. Now since the Premier League has has been considered the best league in the world, and Everton are the form team, thus according to logic, at this present moment ? EVERTON ARE THE WORLD'S TOP TEAM.
COYB FTRS
I honestly don?t believe that there are "haters " on this site who like to see Everton lose in order to stick the boot into Moyes. Just Blues with different opinions. For myself, when we lose not just my weekend but my entire week is blighted. I dread to think what it must be like for those who work with kopites.
You lucky sod. The monsoon hit my dish with ten minutes to go... so I got the previous 80 minutes of complete and utter dross.
Dear Christ.


1 Posted 08/11/2008 at 17:33:07
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But 3 points, 3-1 away, 2 goals for Saha, all with 3 top players out (including our 2 most creative players).
Not bad. I would take this evry game... 7th (3 points from Manu) and 5 from Arsenal. Can't be all that bad. DM made the changes and they worked. Credit to him.