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Over the last few months I keep on reading the same misinformation perpetrated by contributors to Toffeweb:
- Chelsea had reached the semi-finals of the Champions League and won trophies BEFORE the Russian money arrived.
- Fellaini cost 15 million euros, NOT pounds.
- Randy Lerner HAS made millions more available to O'Neill than Kenwright has for Moyes, Milner alone was £12 Million. The difference is Moyes has spent more wisely.
- Sunderland DO have money, they have been taken over by the now American majority shareholder
- The same players we get linked to for months & months NEVER sign for Everton — Arshavin, Moutinho etc.
- Tony Marsh is OFTEN right, he is just very passionate about his club.
- Located in London
- Located in the South
- Having a new stadium
- Having your city's name in the football club's name (If we were called Liverpool City, investment may have already arrived)
Joe McMahon, Posted 02/07/2009 at 14:47:24
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Your first sentence makes the rest of your bullet points intensely confusing. It makes it seem as if the bullet points are a list of all pieces of misinformation perpetrated by contributors to Toffeeweb (which I don’t think is what you meant).
The Villa thing is simple — they operate in a city with a population in excess of 1 million, and share said (great) city with just one other club, and are by far the better supported of the 2 sides. They have a large ground on a massive footprint and can easily increase capacity when required.
As for why we ain't managed to find investors, see Stew’s comment above.
As for why we ain't managed to find investors, see Stew’s comment above.
Christ — not another non story about why we haven’t been sold.
Face it, none of us, bar Kenwright and maybe the rest of the Everton Board of Directors, know the real reasons... so can we not stop speculating? It’s worse than the ongoing speculation on who we are going to sign!!
People talk about the fact that everyone else has had investment and why not us? But, bar Chelsea (who, as Joe points out above, were a decent side even before the investment), the rest of them haven’t gone so well.
I mean look at Newcastle for fuck's sake. They have had loads of money pumped into them for years and spent big on wages and players fees but what have they actually achieved? Liverpool have been a laughing stock despite being "bought out by Billionaires", West Ham nearly went bust as the previous owners' money collapsed, and now they are not in much more of a better state.
Villa, Sunderland, Man City, Portsmouth, Tottenham etc have all had huge investment over the last couple of years (remember that City were bankrolled by Thaksin Shinawatra the year before last and still didn’t finish higher than about 8th).
Basically, yes, we’d all love more money so that Everton can buy bigger and better players. But please put some perspective on this rather than following the whole Sky 4 propaganda that money = absolutely guaranteed success. Yes it’s a big factor, but it’s not the be all and end all.
Better the devil you know and all that. Getting rid of Kenwright for someone else with a supposed "bottomless pit for transfer funds" does not guarantee us success. West Ham fans, Tottenham fans, Sunderland fans, and even some City fans I know, would happily be in the position we are in.
Do we want youth/local lads like Rodwell & Vaughan coming through who actually know what it means to play for Everton, and the likes of Cahill, Arteta etc who know and respect that the club is bigger than them. Or do you want prima donna’s like Ronaldo et al?
I know what I’m happier with, and it makes the winning even more sweeter......
Face it, none of us, bar Kenwright and maybe the rest of the Everton Board of Directors, know the real reasons... so can we not stop speculating? It’s worse than the ongoing speculation on who we are going to sign!!
People talk about the fact that everyone else has had investment and why not us? But, bar Chelsea (who, as Joe points out above, were a decent side even before the investment), the rest of them haven’t gone so well.
I mean look at Newcastle for fuck's sake. They have had loads of money pumped into them for years and spent big on wages and players fees but what have they actually achieved? Liverpool have been a laughing stock despite being "bought out by Billionaires", West Ham nearly went bust as the previous owners' money collapsed, and now they are not in much more of a better state.
Villa, Sunderland, Man City, Portsmouth, Tottenham etc have all had huge investment over the last couple of years (remember that City were bankrolled by Thaksin Shinawatra the year before last and still didn’t finish higher than about 8th).
Basically, yes, we’d all love more money so that Everton can buy bigger and better players. But please put some perspective on this rather than following the whole Sky 4 propaganda that money = absolutely guaranteed success. Yes it’s a big factor, but it’s not the be all and end all.
Better the devil you know and all that. Getting rid of Kenwright for someone else with a supposed "bottomless pit for transfer funds" does not guarantee us success. West Ham fans, Tottenham fans, Sunderland fans, and even some City fans I know, would happily be in the position we are in.
Do we want youth/local lads like Rodwell & Vaughan coming through who actually know what it means to play for Everton, and the likes of Cahill, Arteta etc who know and respect that the club is bigger than them. Or do you want prima donna’s like Ronaldo et al?
I know what I’m happier with, and it makes the winning even more sweeter......
Aston Villa were completely debt free.
Fellaini did cost £15 million pounds. See for yourself on the OS...
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/sir-philip-expects-signings.html
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/sir-philip-expects-signings.html
This is getting incredibly boring. It seems this is all anyone can post about now between Phil Martin, Tony Marsh and now you Joe. The points you make Joe are not facts because Fellaini was £15million, Lerner has invested but in no way heavily and that funding has now dried right up, and Tony Marsh just likes a rant. Moyes would have been sacked years ago if Marsh had been correct. Are you seriously envious of Villa? They’ve finished below us two seasons running and today have been linked with Titus Bramble.
I would love Kenwright to sell up and fuck off. He’s a prize twat who is still doing his best to ruin our club by moving us to Kirkby. BUT I do believe it’s wishful thinking to think there’s some rich oligarch, tycoon or oil baron who’s going to come in and make all our dreams come true. There’s as much chance of that as me scoring a winner for Everton and Gwladys Street singing "There’s only one Alan Clarke!"
I will accept what we’ve got right now over the instability created by the likes of West Ham’s owners or Mike Ashley or an eternal merry-go-round of managers like at Spurs.
I would love Kenwright to sell up and fuck off. He’s a prize twat who is still doing his best to ruin our club by moving us to Kirkby. BUT I do believe it’s wishful thinking to think there’s some rich oligarch, tycoon or oil baron who’s going to come in and make all our dreams come true. There’s as much chance of that as me scoring a winner for Everton and Gwladys Street singing "There’s only one Alan Clarke!"
I will accept what we’ve got right now over the instability created by the likes of West Ham’s owners or Mike Ashley or an eternal merry-go-round of managers like at Spurs.
Guys, I’m actually going to do the inexplicable and defend Tony here. Whilst he and I have (and always will have) differing opinions, I am of no doubt that he is probably in his mid-30s to early 40s and thus saw us during the halcyon years of 84-87. He wants us to get back to the heights achieved during that particular zenith of our history. He is just impassioned and truly belives in Nil Satis Nisi Optimum. Now, whether this means ranting about Osman ad infinitum is his decision, and while on most cases I disagree with him, there are times he has a point.
I also think that Tony has mellowed on Moyes. Yes, there are times Moyes can be frustrating by dithering on subs... but in the main he does wonders, and I do think that Tony acknowledges this. Best you can do is to lay off him. While you may not agree with his opinion, it is his and he’s allowed to voice it.
And while we all would love Kenwright to sell up, I did think that the Arab story a few weeks back could have been the perfect deal — Arabs control the majority of the club but Kenwright stays on as an advisor, because, let’s face it — Everton is a traditional club, and I think that is what people outside this club find endearing — a club whose soul is still very much there, unlike at City or Chelsea or United. Shame that proved to be mere rumours..
I also think that Tony has mellowed on Moyes. Yes, there are times Moyes can be frustrating by dithering on subs... but in the main he does wonders, and I do think that Tony acknowledges this. Best you can do is to lay off him. While you may not agree with his opinion, it is his and he’s allowed to voice it.
And while we all would love Kenwright to sell up, I did think that the Arab story a few weeks back could have been the perfect deal — Arabs control the majority of the club but Kenwright stays on as an advisor, because, let’s face it — Everton is a traditional club, and I think that is what people outside this club find endearing — a club whose soul is still very much there, unlike at City or Chelsea or United. Shame that proved to be mere rumours..
Aston Villa were not debt free, not by a long way, but they have a stadium which doesn’t need replacing. Compared with all other issues, Goodison Park is the major obstacle to any sale. If we get planning permission for DK or a serious plan for the redevelopment for Goodison then I would expect the investment to follow very shortly.
It is amazes me how the greatly misinformed continue to shout in people’s faces about us not being for sale, without having any real convincing facts to back up their comments. More often than not, it’s the same people who get over excited whenever a rumour takeover rears its head, in classic contradictory fashion. Have a word with yourselves. No one except those at boardroom level know the exact truth as to where we stand. But like i said, feel free to back up with any hard facts you may have. Or you could always just continue making stuff up to suit your own agenda.
No point comparing our finances to one of the G14 clubs as they are exempt from finance discsussions, apparently the rules don't apply. But, as much as Bill winds me up, and I wish he had more cash to plough in, I do not want an Arab, Yank, Irish or Asian takeover of any sort! It has done no club out of the elite any good as far as I can see??
City may break that in next few years but their relationship with the Manc council is a lot better than ours with LCC (they give them a stadium FFS!).
Villa are next best and we finished bove them again??
Pompey - in shit
Newcastle — do I need to explain?
Sunderland — this is thier peak IMO
Fulham — one good season every six and even then they finished BELOW us.
West Ham — nearly out of business!!
The list goes on...
You could include Southampton and Leeds in that list but unless your club can either a) sustain a massive debt (the Shite/United/Spurs) or you have a sugar daddy (Chelsea), then foreign investment is a dangerous thing as people are forgetting why its done... to make people money???
They don't give a shit about you or the club, once their investment has been returned or credit maxed out, they are off like Gough.
See this for what it is people, and know this: it won't last forever!
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