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Just doing my daily rounds of TW, Kipper and the OS and happened across Sir Phillip Carter's take on the transfer situation... It reads:
Moyes is yet to secure his first signing ahead of the 2009-10 season, however Sir Philip believes the return of the likes of Yakubu and Mikel Arteta will be like new additions to the squad.
"I think we are all looking forward to the introduction of new players. But we have to remember if we get players that have been injured during the last season back, they will be like new players for us. And with them returning we have to have a successful season."
Let's hope Dave's able to pull a rabbit out of the hat and bag us at least a couple of bargains (preferably before deadline day this season!) but I'm sure I'm not the only one with a bad sense of deja vu after Sir Phil's comments.
Sean Dylan, Posted 04/07/2009 at 10:18:50
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...does that mean keeping Kenwright is like having new owners too??
...and maybe if we sign an injured player that counts as two?
You are looking at Phils quote and looking at it from a negative angle.
He never said we wont be buying new players because we are broke.
All he said was what every other fan is is saying. "it will be good to have The Yak, Jags & Arteta back for next season.
He never said we wont be buying new players because we are broke.
All he said was what every other fan is is saying. "it will be good to have The Yak, Jags & Arteta back for next season.
Sir Phillip was a crap Chairman and seems set fair to be a crap President.
Mind you, they’ve got most of the season ticket income in the bank by now, so they don’t have to worry too much. Perhaps he should be honoured for his candour?
Mind you, they’ve got most of the season ticket income in the bank by now, so they don’t have to worry too much. Perhaps he should be honoured for his candour?
Michael is right... "Injuries happen, etc". Of course they seem to happen at a high rate for us...
I’m sure our paper-thin squad numbers have nothing to with it!?
I can’t wait for the "getting shut of VDM is like signing a new player" soundbite.
I’m sure our paper-thin squad numbers have nothing to with it!?
I can’t wait for the "getting shut of VDM is like signing a new player" soundbite.
I can see why you think we might be taking Phil’s comments a little negatively Simon but If you’d followed the summer transfer sagas as closely as I sadly have over the last few summers, then I think you’d be better able to appreciate the collective disappointment in comments like Phil’s just made.
Of course we’ll all welcome the lads back and be glad they are — we just don’t like being patronised by the fellas running the club with statements that imply that, if we aren’t able to make any decent signings, then no matter, as we’ve got some of the injured lads back anyway. Know what I mean?
Anyway it’s Saturday night and there’s a bottle of Ardbeg sat above my head with my name on it... apologies if I’m unfit to make a reply.
Of course we’ll all welcome the lads back and be glad they are — we just don’t like being patronised by the fellas running the club with statements that imply that, if we aren’t able to make any decent signings, then no matter, as we’ve got some of the injured lads back anyway. Know what I mean?
Anyway it’s Saturday night and there’s a bottle of Ardbeg sat above my head with my name on it... apologies if I’m unfit to make a reply.
Second time he’s said it this summer and it’s only early July!
The impression I get is that we have very little to spend and a summer like last year’s beckons again.
I think we are in a stronger position than last year in terms of our squad strength going into the new season with the likes of Fellaini and Saha and probably Jo added to younger players coming through such as Rodwell, Gosling and maybe even Baxter as well.
That said it is still so bloody frustrating as we all know we are only a couple of real quality additions away from becoming a very, very good team.
The impression I get is that we have very little to spend and a summer like last year’s beckons again.
I think we are in a stronger position than last year in terms of our squad strength going into the new season with the likes of Fellaini and Saha and probably Jo added to younger players coming through such as Rodwell, Gosling and maybe even Baxter as well.
That said it is still so bloody frustrating as we all know we are only a couple of real quality additions away from becoming a very, very good team.
Simon Dixon - Are you after a job in the Everton PR dept’ or what!!!
I guess we should all make a pledge to regard EVERY rumour, leak and ’fact’ as utter bullshit until the guy runs onto the field wearing an Everton kit. Last year we all worked ourselves into a right lather over so many ’absolute certainties’ who were never really on the radar.
So I’m saying ’bollocks’ to EVERY story that appears on here or anywhere else because we ALL know that the club’s policy / finance prevents us from signing ANYBODY until that bloody window’s about to slam. That way,I’ll have a good holiday and sleep nights.
Thank you Sir Phil (useless tosser that you are!) for telling it as it is!
Brian, I salute you. I think that is the right attitude to take. It’s all bollocks until they actually sign and we have them on the back of the Echo, holding up the shirt.
Even that wasn’t enough one time... remember Manny Fernandes??!
Even that wasn’t enough one time... remember Manny Fernandes??!
Not surprising we’ve not signed anyone as we are skint; what else did you expect us to be after our massive outlay on players, poor performaces in the Premier League and FA Cup and, of course, we were hardly ever televised
Oh! hang on...
Oh! hang on...
Sean, I felt the same when I saw that article on the OS. So I left a post telling them how fed up I am with the spin they put on their stories, and why don’t they just report the facts and let the fans make up their own minds... funny how it still hasn’t appeared in the comments section under the article?
Paul, what a brilliant idea! Facts is what we want. No more of this spin-doctoring, we demand the truth.
Er... wait on a minute, before we go down that road, can we handle the truth? Would it lead to pandemic depression?
On second thoughts is it better to believe in Bill's bedtime stories.
I am starting to feel that posting on here makes me feel complicit with all things anti the Blue hierarchy but I will persevere. No-one seems to be looking at the fact that we are looking at an inflated market at the moment. The money being talked about for relatively average players is mad. When was the time we turned down £15 mill for any of our players — yet we are now doing that with Lescott!
Other posts have a go at Carter — the chairman who didn’t sack Kendall when we had all-time low crowds and campaigns against him (I stiil have my 'Kendall Out' photostat... from God knows when) — yet he was useless too!!
We are in an over-inflated market due to Real Madrid’s apparent licence to print their own money and the subsequent knock-on effect — not to mention Man City’s bottomless pits of oil dosh. Like any other cult or religion, you are meant to have faith well beyond reason. Keep the faith and one way or another we will get there!
Mike Maclean
"Sir Phillip was a crap Chairman and seems set fair to be a crap President"
He was in fact the most successful chairman in our history... so according to you we have obviously NEVER had a good chairman?
While I too get frustrated and what we can't do due to our finanaces, some of the board bashing on here has no basis in truth, especially comments like Mike's... Mr Editor?
"Sir Phillip was a crap Chairman and seems set fair to be a crap President"
He was in fact the most successful chairman in our history... so according to you we have obviously NEVER had a good chairman?
While I too get frustrated and what we can't do due to our finanaces, some of the board bashing on here has no basis in truth, especially comments like Mike's... Mr Editor?
Brian, couldn’t agree more. Only in the Express today it says Cahill’s fed up with the British weather and fancies a move to Spain or England.
Given he’s been here 12 years, how come he’s only now noticed the weather’s rubbish? It’s yet more paper talk designed at unsettling our players and thus preventing us from really mouting a challenge on the Sky Four.
Given he’s been here 12 years, how come he’s only now noticed the weather’s rubbish? It’s yet more paper talk designed at unsettling our players and thus preventing us from really mouting a challenge on the Sky Four.
Peter Roberts,
I find your view that the media is deliberately attempting to unsettle our players in order to prevent us from mounting a challenge on the top 4 hard to believe. My question is: Why would the media conspire to do such a thing? And by media, do you mean the whole of it, including all the newspapers and TV companies? Could you also let on whether you know which people are heading this conspiracy?
I find your view that the media is deliberately attempting to unsettle our players in order to prevent us from mounting a challenge on the top 4 hard to believe. My question is: Why would the media conspire to do such a thing? And by media, do you mean the whole of it, including all the newspapers and TV companies? Could you also let on whether you know which people are heading this conspiracy?
John Dybvad,
Whilst I stop well short of stating that there is a media ’conspiracy’ against our club, this summer seems to be a little bit different, so I’m with Peter (sort of).
You only have to look at some of the shite that has been printed about our ’outward-bound’ stars to seriously start questioning the peculiar length the media are going to this summer to unsettle the harmony of the players.
Two shining examples are: 1) That Phil Neville, Moyes’s right arse cheek, who recently signed a new four-year contract at the back end of last season, club captain and in the top EFC pay bracket, forever publicly stating his pride to be the leader of our midget gems, is apparently willing to drop down a division to join M’Boro because he once played with Southgate for his country and has been offered a player-coaching role.
Example 2) Joesph Yobo, also signed a new four-year contract less than two months ago FFS, has since stated he did not hesitate to put pen to paper (dubious... but his words) and our tremendous team spirit was the ultimate reason why, now he is apparently to be sold to either Spurs or Arsenal for £8M because he only has a year left on his contract and we have to cash in!!!!!!!! (This was just last week.)
Both of the aforementioned cases are not snippets from some obscure websites but have been widely reported in numerous national newspapers, I’m certain plenty TW viewers will corroborate. I could go on and on, the Cahill story particularly grates, but my point is, these are obvious piles of horse manure, but why print such tripe if not for a purpose? I believe that purpose is to rupture the fundamental aspect of our squad harmony and togetherness, the one thing Moysie says that we would finish top of the league for every season.
Why has it been so feverent this summer? I don't know and don't subscribe to a ’Sky 4 conspiracy’ but you have to seriously question the notion behind these stories and they cannot be dismissed with the usual comments of "Don't get caught up in in it all they print this shite weekly" comments.
Whilst I stop well short of stating that there is a media ’conspiracy’ against our club, this summer seems to be a little bit different, so I’m with Peter (sort of).
You only have to look at some of the shite that has been printed about our ’outward-bound’ stars to seriously start questioning the peculiar length the media are going to this summer to unsettle the harmony of the players.
Two shining examples are: 1) That Phil Neville, Moyes’s right arse cheek, who recently signed a new four-year contract at the back end of last season, club captain and in the top EFC pay bracket, forever publicly stating his pride to be the leader of our midget gems, is apparently willing to drop down a division to join M’Boro because he once played with Southgate for his country and has been offered a player-coaching role.
Example 2) Joesph Yobo, also signed a new four-year contract less than two months ago FFS, has since stated he did not hesitate to put pen to paper (dubious... but his words) and our tremendous team spirit was the ultimate reason why, now he is apparently to be sold to either Spurs or Arsenal for £8M because he only has a year left on his contract and we have to cash in!!!!!!!! (This was just last week.)
Both of the aforementioned cases are not snippets from some obscure websites but have been widely reported in numerous national newspapers, I’m certain plenty TW viewers will corroborate. I could go on and on, the Cahill story particularly grates, but my point is, these are obvious piles of horse manure, but why print such tripe if not for a purpose? I believe that purpose is to rupture the fundamental aspect of our squad harmony and togetherness, the one thing Moysie says that we would finish top of the league for every season.
Why has it been so feverent this summer? I don't know and don't subscribe to a ’Sky 4 conspiracy’ but you have to seriously question the notion behind these stories and they cannot be dismissed with the usual comments of "Don't get caught up in in it all they print this shite weekly" comments.
Ismael, I pray you are right and it is a conspiracy against us, because today we are being linked with Paul Scholes of all people. For god’s sake why we would want to sign a 34-year-old has-been is beyond me. We must be really running out of options (and have no forward thinking at all) if we are going after him.
My word Vijay how many times, "DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO SKY 4 CONSPIRACY" its two bloody lines above your posting.
"Oh No... it's going to be last last season all over again!!!"
So what... if we push for top 4 and get to a major final, it's bloody excellent!
If we get the backbone to the squad firing by November for the rest of the season then it's right, it will be like having new players, but players who know the squad, respect the manager and know exactly what needs to be done
4th no problem if we have the Yak, Arteta and Jags back.
COYB.
So what... if we push for top 4 and get to a major final, it's bloody excellent!
If we get the backbone to the squad firing by November for the rest of the season then it's right, it will be like having new players, but players who know the squad, respect the manager and know exactly what needs to be done
4th no problem if we have the Yak, Arteta and Jags back.
COYB.
Terry Maddock, people are offering their opinions on the Board, on Sir Phillip... whatever. Things like "best chairman" is not a definitive fact, never can be. It is always going to be a matter of opinion. Asking for it to be edited out because it’s not an opinion you agree with is shocking and indeed worthy of editorial intervention — but not in the way you intend.
Is this an official admission from the site that Arteta will actually be fit for Arsenal, because it seems like a long time since they mentioned anything about him. I actually thought it was more likely he wouldn’t be back until October?
"It’s yet more paper talk designed at unsettling our players and thus preventing us from really mouting a challenge on the Sky Four. "
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And there’s me thinking it was simply ’designed’ to sell papers... My god, that’s a conspiracy theory and a half!
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And there’s me thinking it was simply ’designed’ to sell papers... My god, that’s a conspiracy theory and a half!
Who in the right mind buys a paper for the headline Phill Neville to Middlesbrough?
Point being, it is seriously conceivable that shuch shite, and its current frequency of appearance in relation to almost every Everton player only serves purpose as a media discourse, aimed at unsettling our squad.
And who’s in charge of this great media scandal Ismael?
In the grand scheme of things, we don’t actually get that much paper interest....
Media conspiracy. Give me strength.
In the grand scheme of things, we don’t actually get that much paper interest....
Media conspiracy. Give me strength.
I just can’t work out why, if it’s all about the Media not wishing the Sky 4 to be disturbed, Aston Villa and perhaps even more so Manchester City are not being subjected to similar attempts to unsettle their squads and their planning for the future? Why only Everton?
The fact is most of this transfer gibberish is concocted by journalists who get just as bored as we do in the close-season without fear of being sued as their political or social colleagues may be in similar circumstances.
It always reminds me of the time Everton sold Alan Ball. Every Evertonian I knew was absolutely gutted but we were cheered up a little by paper-talk of the imminent, reciprocal arrival of Charlie George from Arsenal. There was no window in those days and this went on for weeks during the season itself with banner headlines on the back pages several times a week, only for it to be revealed in due course that there was absolutely nothing at all in the story. Arsenal had no intention of selling George and Everton had no wish to buy him.
Sports journalists are lazy bastards in the generality. (Their title ’journalist’ is a little bit of a misnomer for me... especially those who’s speciality is football.) Take no notice. I don’t even read the sports pages anymore because most of the contents are unadulterated shite!
The fact is most of this transfer gibberish is concocted by journalists who get just as bored as we do in the close-season without fear of being sued as their political or social colleagues may be in similar circumstances.
It always reminds me of the time Everton sold Alan Ball. Every Evertonian I knew was absolutely gutted but we were cheered up a little by paper-talk of the imminent, reciprocal arrival of Charlie George from Arsenal. There was no window in those days and this went on for weeks during the season itself with banner headlines on the back pages several times a week, only for it to be revealed in due course that there was absolutely nothing at all in the story. Arsenal had no intention of selling George and Everton had no wish to buy him.
Sports journalists are lazy bastards in the generality. (Their title ’journalist’ is a little bit of a misnomer for me... especially those who’s speciality is football.) Take no notice. I don’t even read the sports pages anymore because most of the contents are unadulterated shite!
So the usual OS bullshit regarding returning injured players being like "new signings" has reared it's ugly head again.
I have an idea that will put paid to the usual transfer window speculation. Let's smash the knees of one or two of our fit players now and when they are on the road to recovery, tout them as "new signings" for the January window. No need to spend any transfer money and a couple of fantastic "new signings" to boot!
I know I will get pilloried for this, but it's just my way of letting off steam and staying sane.
Editor.
Ok I get the idea... slag the board off, or anybody who has ever been on it = good...
Point out that Sir Philip was — and I will quote myself here as it was obviously a misprint on your behalf earlier... "the most successful" chairman we have ever... EVER... had...
Ok I get the idea... slag the board off, or anybody who has ever been on it = good...
Point out that Sir Philip was — and I will quote myself here as it was obviously a misprint on your behalf earlier... "the most successful" chairman we have ever... EVER... had...
My point is... it's obvious — not in my opinion, but just plain clear as the nose on your face... OBVIOUS that he was not a crap chairman...
But if you wish to defend every point I disagree with — no matter how ridiculous — well carry on... it's your toy after all.
(I wish to point out that no Evertonians were abused in this comment.)
Terry; Best... most successful... whatever. Point is, that is a value judgment based on opinion... as is "crap chairman". If one is a valid opinion, then so is the other. There is no OBVIOUS about it.
What is obvious is your continuing intolerance of viewpoints contrary to your own, breeding a bilious disdain of fellow Evertonians who dare to spout such views. I find that offensive.
What is obvious is your continuing intolerance of viewpoints contrary to your own, breeding a bilious disdain of fellow Evertonians who dare to spout such views. I find that offensive.
Spouting views is one thing... but they have to make sense! If anybody had told us Carter was a crap Chairman in the eighties he (or she) would have been immediately dispatched to the looney-bin. So what has changed... why is he ’crap’ now?
What has changed is that Everton are no longer a trophy winning club. In those circumstances, for a lot of supporters, everybody involved in running the club becomes ’crap’.
The same thing happens with managers. They are treated like gods when, say, they bring a club up to the Premier League but are often villified when they go straight back down. It is the fickle nature of humanity, not only football supporters, although the latter seem particularly prone.
If Everton were to win the league, the FA Cup and the Europa League this season then my guess would confidently be that even Bill Kenwright would be fully redeemed even in the eyes of many of those Evertonians who think he is a useless moron who should depart as soon as possible, preferably yesterday! That is how the world works for many.
When General Galtieri sent his army to invade the Falklands he was adored by the Argentine masses. When the victory turned into a defeat they wanted to lynch him.
Similarly, in his early days, Ferguson was villified by many Manure supporters who couldn’t wait to see the back of him. Today, after getting on the trophy trail, they think the sky will cave in when he goes... or dies, whichever is the sooner. It happens the other way round too.
Carter presided over Everton’s most successful period. Why is he crap now? It is not him that has changed, it is the nature of the game and the fact that we are not a rich and winning club anymore. None of that was any more his fault than it was for John Moores dying!
What has changed is that Everton are no longer a trophy winning club. In those circumstances, for a lot of supporters, everybody involved in running the club becomes ’crap’.
The same thing happens with managers. They are treated like gods when, say, they bring a club up to the Premier League but are often villified when they go straight back down. It is the fickle nature of humanity, not only football supporters, although the latter seem particularly prone.
If Everton were to win the league, the FA Cup and the Europa League this season then my guess would confidently be that even Bill Kenwright would be fully redeemed even in the eyes of many of those Evertonians who think he is a useless moron who should depart as soon as possible, preferably yesterday! That is how the world works for many.
When General Galtieri sent his army to invade the Falklands he was adored by the Argentine masses. When the victory turned into a defeat they wanted to lynch him.
Similarly, in his early days, Ferguson was villified by many Manure supporters who couldn’t wait to see the back of him. Today, after getting on the trophy trail, they think the sky will cave in when he goes... or dies, whichever is the sooner. It happens the other way round too.
Carter presided over Everton’s most successful period. Why is he crap now? It is not him that has changed, it is the nature of the game and the fact that we are not a rich and winning club anymore. None of that was any more his fault than it was for John Moores dying!
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