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By which Bill means offer us £20M(ish) and the man is all yours! (This is of course based on the Rooney deal of a few years ago). Makes me wonder if we've already done a deal regarding Joleon as we seem to be bidding money we don't have for Cana and Naughton, and Jo came back with a little too much fuss hanging around on that loan deal.
Something just sits at the back of my mind that BK has agreed to keep it lowkey so City can chase Terry...?
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Adam Carey, Posted 19/07/2009 at 15:05:22
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Leads me to believe that the £30mill tag will end up being £15mill plus Jo somewhere along the negotiation line, maybe in the next window when Jags will be back? I’d like to say "gentlemen’s agreement" but City have shown little of that conduct in their behaviour recently.
I’d be OK with that. A striker we couldn’t afford and were chasing a year or so back, and money and time to get another CB (or money to the banks).
If Lescott goes it will be because he does want to go to City for the cash / because they may well be chasing honours this season given the cash they’re throwing at it. If that happens then it looks like we’ll get a simply massive profit on him, which I firmly believe BK will allow Moyes to pump straight back into the squad. And if it does happen, I firmly believe Moyes will have the final say.
Like Dan said why would Lescott have played and travelled out to the US? Why would Moyes have said on Wednesday night that he won’t be selling any first team players? Why did Hughes remark on Radio 5 this morning that City had only "made contact with Everton" and things were similar to the Terry situation in that we had rejected the bid?
It’s all a conspiracy and they’re all out to get me! The level of paranoia amongst some Blues is unbelievable, I’m not sure some of you don’t need to see a psychiatrist.
Give Bill a break. There has been no deal done and we are trying our best to keep Lescott. If we get £30m for Lescott, then Bill will still get slated for selling him. If we get a billionaire investor, Bill will get criticised for the investor being foreign, or having no interest in Everton. If we win the Premier League and FA Cup this season, Bill will still get criticised for not spending money.
Stop finding petty and pathetic reasons to criticise him. Who would you rather have in charge, Peter Johnson? Mike Ashley?
A £15M profit on a player is not to be griped at and I’d happily accept it if we built up the squad with 2 or 3 good players in return.
By the way, a mini tornado has just flattened my front and side fence. Damn that Blue Bill!
Buying and selling of players, particularly those with high values, is like a game of chess with each club trying to outwit each other and get the best possible result for their respective clubs. Alex Ferguson said they wouldn’t sell Real Madrid a virus and that Ronaldo was going nowhere. Lescott is going and the club is involved in playing a game to try and get the best possible price.
At the recent Shareholders Forum, Moyes said we didn’t have any money to purchase first team players yet we’ve been bidding for Naughton, Cana and allegedly Defour. We all know City have been interested. For a club like ourselves with no money, selling an asset for 4 times what we paid for it will be too good to turn down.
Something strange happened with the Jo loan deal. It was confirmed on official site then removed then confirmed again 5 days later. Kenwright has been getting a lot of criticism from fans so he will do all he can to demonstrate to supporters that he is doing the best he can for the club. I expect a package to be agreed at around £20 million. Whether that includes another player remains to be seen. I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal was already agreed.
John Roberts, that statement, unfortunately again, is like the Rooney deal; Kenwright comes out and says he wouldn’t sell Rooney for £50m... he was right; he sold him on the cheap but the biggest difference here is that the little scumbag wanted to go and started spreading untruths to help it along.
Moyes has said that he does not want to sell; Kenwright has placed the ball clearly in Moyes’s court by saying, the sales are down to Moyes. Moyes stated specifically again at the Shareholders Forum that he will not be selling players and Kenwright has never forced him to sell any; he would look a very stupid man and a compete liar if a deal had already been done.
I hope he doesn’t go but... god forbid it... watch this space!!!!
Lawlor, alledgedly bidding for Cana and Defour doesn’t actually constitute a formal bid for these players. Defour’s agent even denied a bid from Everton. You’re just reacting to newspaper talk. Moyes also said he wouldn’t be buying first team players. Naughton would not be an automatic first choice first-team player so I don’t know why you have so little trust for what our manager has said.
The only way that Lescott will be sold is if the player himself asks for a transfer. He was very dismissive of the question on sales and stated that he has already said more than enough and he is fed up giving the red tops more column inches.
This "intense" man has integrity and I don’t believe it is in him to openly lie to the public; Kenwright.... not so much but I trust Moyes’s word.
Is this a mistake or have I missed something? When did he say this?
Who, hand on heart would do the job of somebody more senior and not want a pay rise? This I think will be where the problems start and finish. As a club, we are in no position to pay those sort of wages, so for the player it’s simple: go where you can get them.
Having said all that, does it make good business sense to sell an asset for £30 million, to one of your main rivals for Champions League money and give them the advantage? In the past, when Rooney was sold, we were no way near this close to the money tree... but now, losing a player like Lescott would set us back and also hand over an advantage to a probable rival.
If you are referring to Kenwright then fair enough but it has been made abundantly clear that Moyes will be dealing with the buying/selling of players so the Kenwright barb is a pointless one in this scenario.
I just hope that they don't mess about until the end of the transfer window and end up with a Spurs and Berbatov situation, where we have no replacements, a weakened team, and cash to sit on that will probably miraculously disappear by January!
Senior management have more jobs to do, more pressure. Lescott plays football for a living and, no matter where he goes, he will be doing the same job.
Yes, his agent may press for a pay rise but that’s what happens every season and Everton do reward good players with better contracts. It’s not a case of "I am worth X amount so you have to pay me Y."
Er... or have I spoke too soon?
By the way, spending £6 million on a defender is most certainly a first team player (Naughton)? When do we have millions to spend on squad players?
Brian, it’s silly season: there are no facts...
Conversations & "enquiries" go on all the time. Even what-ifs occur daily. Formal bids are few & far between, because most clubs have to weigh up many factors before entering into a formal offer for a player.
The relentless attacks on Kenwright are malicious, groundless crap. The moronic recounting of what he said about Rooney just beggars belief. So a chairman said "I wouldn’t sell
Despite Rooney’s own moronic behaviour, Moyes and Kenwright did everything they could to stop Rooney leaving. But he, and his agent, weren’t having any of it. The situation was insoluble and we are not so flush as to leave Rooney rotting in the reserves.
So then clubs start bidding for him and we basically end up with one serious bid and one joke bid. In the end we got a total of almost £30m for an 18-year-old. And any halfwit can see that, given the player’s completely uncooperative and aggressive position, we got the very best we could.
And yet we still need to read the pedants recounting the precise wording of Bill Kenwright and completely ignoring the circumstances. I mean, who needs context when you apparently have words that suit your purpose?
As per usual, vaccuous, meaningless drivel. Lescott may go, he may not. If he does then Moyes will have decided he can work without him or Lescott will have made it perfectly clear he wants out. For what it’s worth, I fully expect Joleon Lescott to start, and end, this season in Royal Blue.
Aside from the obvious pleasure that will bring me and many others, it might also be a sobering exercise for all those who prefer to believe any old crap about Everton and, when there isn’t any, just make it up themselves.
Is there no bottom to this pit of endless garbage?
Any speculation is just guesswork unless you’re actually privvy to any of the conversations that goes on between players, managers, agents, chairmen, CEOs etc.
With regards to the other two players I used the words allegedly and reportedly. Mark my words, Lescott is going to City.
I’ll give you Naughton. Now, who are these "various players"? No, don’t tell me. I’ve seen far too many lists of stupid names so far this summer...
I think some of the players in the rumors don’t cost that much, so I really doubt we need to sell Lescott for it. One or two players for under £10M is really like what we have been doing for years now...
Could it be a possibility that EFC’s stance about not letting him go is... true? But let me guess: it's just a smokescreen to try and cover Black Bill’s secret agenda of selling all our top stars before he comes out of his secret underground lair, and sells EFC to the highest bidder.
I don’t think it's a done deal since, unlike a decade ago, we are in Europe now, have a decent squad and a good run for a few years. The debt servicing hasn’t been in the news for some time now, so I can only assume all is well on the books.
Yet, despite all this, there’s still a outcry when our poorly resourced team doesn’t trample all opposition and win the league.
He’s young, talented and everyone knows it, so I think every supporter should just look at the worthiness of the deal.
With £x millions, we could groom another good player or even build a stronger team. That’s my call at least.
Of course, whatever the reason to sell Lescott, top dollar will suit BK well anyway.
I hope that Roger doesn’t request a move and at least he isn’t getting the "Come and play at Utd — coz you’ll win loads" whispers in his ear like Rooney did while playing for England. Hopefully Jo’s experience will make Roger stay at a friendlier (if poorer) club.
I am worried that he will be swayed by the ridiculous sums of money being bandied about. Roger is not a lifelong Evertonian, so how loyal is going to be? I’d hope he’d give us another year to break into the top 4 — especially as City cannot even offer him Europe this year.
I must admit that there appears to be so many wild stories around — Spurs appear to buying everyone!
WTF!?! Last I looked City were not in Europe, had not won a trophy for centuries and although had spent a scary amount of cash have from my point of view a medioce team with a few "names" sprinkled in.
No disrespect but Sant Cruz is NOT a "name", nor is Adebayor. OK, he has scored well at Arsenal but he is not a world class striker, and I am sure if Sir Alex wanted Tevez at Man Utd, he would have had no problem keeping him there.
The fact is, bar Barry (whom I do like), City are poor — so why would Lescott want to leave the stable environment of Goodison!?
However it is a rumour in a paper, I bet it starts off with "A close source..."
I would imagine that if he had asked that he would not have been on the plane to the US of A.
Would he be worth a punt? Or would you stay as far away from doing any sort of business with Man City because of the Lescott saga....
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If he does end up leaving, then it’s in our interest to make a few signings before then anyway. If it’s common knowledge that we’ve had a big windfall then other clubs will just hold us to ransom over any players we try to sign after that.