Do you think so? Although the rift is already pretty strong, as expressed by our contributors, I'd be really surprised if the Luddites would be sufficiently motivated to form a separate club.

And I'd never ever believe they could make it from the very bottom to anywhere of any meaning or significance... never mind all the way to the top. I find that notion simply laughable.

Forgive my lack of interest but whatever became of United FC?

Well you never know what could happen in the future.

I for one would never support another club than EFC due to being a fan my whole life.

Although I can imagine some other fans who may go as far as starting their own club.

Forming a new club is a non-starter but fans staying away from Kirkby is the reality that awaits. I for one will never set foot in the Tesco Dome and niether will my kids. I know plenty more who feel the same and the knock-on effect will be devestating for the club.

Staying away from DK has nothing to do with how big a supporter you are and everything to do with being lied to and decieved by Kenwright. I won't be a party to it and thousands of others will follow suit. Why should any of us give our money and time to a twat like BK if DK ever comes off?

Like I have said before, going along with this Kirkby fiasco is like going for a pint with a fella who you just caught nicking your wallet... Not for me.

"I’d be really surprised if the Luddites would be sufficiently motivated to form a separate club."

Too bloody right, since moaning is their favourite hobby. They’d much rather trudge along to Kirby every other Saturday, making a point of walking there while griping all the way to anyone within earshot about the disgraceful lack of public transport, then upon arrival complain that the Stadium has no character, that the seats are slightly the wrong shade of blue and the coffee is too hot and the hotdogs are shorter than the ones at Goodison.

On here you would think we were on the verge of civil war.......we’re not!

Just a load of keyboard warriors who shout louder than anybody else make it look like that, I certainly didn't detect us on the verge of a major fan split at ANY of the games I attended last year, or season previous.

Of course there are divisions of opinion and nothing causes these more than Bill/takeover/Kirkby talk but its fucking extreme & daft to start all this talk of splits.

Marsh, I like having a bit of banter relating to all things blue with you but making these bold statements about not setting foot in a ground that hasn't even had permission to be built yet is pathetic, save it lad.

FC United Of Manchester have a really strong following and have had several league promotions. Even had R Giggs play for them! Ok so it was Ryan’s brother, but still...

Tony Marsh, whether you agree with DK (personally, I don't) but you're biting your nose of to spite your face by making the club suffer, not BK. I support Everton FC not Kenwright FC but we do need rid of Kenwright and I understand your frustration but we should support the club no matter what.

ps Why wait 'til a ground move — why don't supporters make their protests now!!!

I don't agree with government tax increases, but I still pay them! I don't want conservatives to win the next election, but I won't leave the country if they do! I had a shit day at work on Monday, but I was back in on Tuesday!

I support the players that put on the Everton jersey and the club itself. I go where they go, regardless. There are times in life when things dont go how I want them to, but I won't go giving up everytime that happens!

I'll never ever go to Kirkby, to use a phraze from the yes camp... END OF!! So bring on Real Everton FC or St Dominigos, beats this new sham of an Everton playing in Kirkby.

I’m with Tony Marsh on this one - I’ll never step foot inside Everton/Kirkby Stadium.

There are many reasons for this including.

1. I truly feel that this move will bring about the death of Everton Football Club as a top flight Premier League Team - and I don’t want to play any part in the funeral.

2. Everton to me represent far more than the club name - it represents a tangible part of me, my heritage, my past, my now, my future - I’ll find it difficult to associate that feeling with a inferior stadium built outside of the City of Liverpool. It matters that Everton stay true to their roots and not decamp to a retail park in the middle of nowhere.

3. The match day experience is the match DAY experience ... not sitting in a car for two to three hours pre and post match as we try to enter and leave the area...(Like at Bolton) the transport links are fucking appalling and I’ve seen no credible evidence to suggest there are any plans to improve the situation once the stadium has been built.

The day Everton FC move to Kirkby is the day my match going days end - they’ve had my money for the best part of 40 years... they’re not getting it when they cease to be the Everton I supported during those times.

If that makes me a luddite... brilliant!

But isn’t it strange that the majority of the Luddites would have walked over broken glass to get to the King’s Dock... all we got was broken promises.

BTW - I wish Everton all the best with their move... I wish all you lads who do choose to stick with the support all the best...I’m exercising my right as a consumer not to consume what I believe to be an inferior product.

Right then let’s get started. I now declare myself chairman of FC St Domingo. I am looking for investors 24/7 and have the best interest of the supporters at heart...

Any suggestions as to where I go from here, as I havn’t got a fucking clue how to run a footy club. Hang on a minute! Neither does BK. I’ll email him for some tips.

Ryan, all the protesting in the world won't stop Judas Kenwright collecting his 30 pieces of silver. You see, this whole shambolic stadium move is all about the money. Not about money the club will make as a result of any said move, but the money Kenwright and his bum chums will make out of the move.

The YES voters were in the majority, we were told, so that's that. My take on it is that, by moving away to a retail park in Kirkby and alienating our supporters, we will no longer be Everton as we know it.

The team that plays in Kirkby, if it happens will play in Blue, have Rupert's Tower on the shirt, and no doubt run out to Z-Cars but it will be a sham, a forgery, a circus.

Making a mockery of all the years the club spent being a part of the City of Liverpool and an integral part of the community that makes Everton such a special club to follow, is something I want no part of.

Kenwright sold the majority of us a lie — his vision of utopia that stinks to high heaven. I won't knock anyone who wants to jump on board the Tesco Express but you can leave me on the platform at Lime Street... I refused to be taken in 2 years ago and I won't change that now.

Is it me or do these issues always come to the fore when we have nothing else to talk about??

The club is run by liars, a move outside the city boundaries will bring on the 7 horsemen of the apocolypse and Bill Kenwright is Satan’s dad.

I was under the impression that this site was frequented by adults with certain levels of rational and a love of all things blue. All I’m hearing here are spoilt kids throwing their everton rattlers from the crib because they are not getting their way.

Everton football club is my team, I travel a 60 mile round trip to every game at Goodison. If they move a few miles elsewhere it will still be the same club that I have always loved.

Some of you lot really surprise me with your over the top statements and overblown sense of worth. I go to the game to be entertained and see my team in the flesh, I do not go to admire the support structure of the Bullens road end.

The club is doing well on the pitch which is where it matters. We have the best team for 20 odd years and a great manager to boot, investment will eventually come in time so lets stop the bloody hyperbole and look forward to an Everton moving with the times.

"The club is run by liars, a move outside the city boundaries will bring on the 7 horsemen of the apocolypse and Bill Kenwright is Satan’s dad"

Hyperbole Chris?

Kevin, I was referring to earlier posts. Thought that was obvious fella?!

Carry on kidding yourself, Chris, some of us are just a little more street-wise.

Which village are you from by the way?

"It will be a sham, a forgery, a circus. Making a mockery of all the years the club spent being a part of the City of Liverpool and an integral part of the community that makes Everton such a special club to follow, is something I want no part of."

What would happen if we moved to Bootle or Speke? Would you be saying the same, that’s not in Liverpool either.

Can you imagine telling someone who lives next the Jawbone that he is not a scouser?

You have nailed your colours to the mast, good for you. If we do go to Kirkby, I will still go to enjoy the circus.

Chris Lawlor is spot on. I support Everton.... end of.
Obviously in the ideal world I would prefer that we stay at a new and improved Goodison but, if we end up playing out of Kirkby or some other place, it won’t change my support for the club I love one bit.

Location Location Location & Kirkby simply = Wrong Location. I can't remember receiving a ballot paper to vote on this one even after being a fan for 40-odd years. Take my Everton away without considering my views and you can take my support away also.

Anyone know where I can buy a Luddite FC shirt?

You lot who are happy to wave goodbye to Goodison Park and plot up in Kirkby just don't get it, do you? The location of a new ground says everything about the club. Moving away from where we are now to a retail park gives out a wrong sort of message.

It says we are running away and hiding. It says we are skint so we have to jump into bed with a supermarket because our chairman can't get shit done. We will leave the city to Liverpool FC because we are going to find new supporters elsewhere... HA HA HA. Surrendering our birth right and our fan base at the same time.

How many kids from Walton, Anfield, Bootle, Scottie Road etc do you lot think will grow up wanting to support a team in Knowsley while they have the mighty LFC on their doorsteps with a shiny new Anfield on Stanley Park?

Why bother following a team who will parade on open top buses through Knowsley village rather than St Georges Hall if they ever did win a trophy?

For those of you who are too thick to grasp what a move to Kirkby really means, I pity you. It's not about shorter or longer journeys on match days. Who gives a fuck how many miles less or more it is? It is the shame and the humiliation of having to scuttle out of the back door like a shithouse rat to Knowsley while the Red Shite hordes gloat and laugh at us.

Most Liverpudlians I speak to seem understand the long term damage this move would do to the club and its fanbase while some of our lot are still too blind to see it.

Hey but who gives a shit, as long as some of you can say, "I still Love the Blues no matter where we play. It doesnt matter to me its still Everton out there..." Well thats Bollocks and a half-empty Tesco Dome will prove me right if it's ever built... Try getting answers from Kenwright then!

If the club have done their homework, they’ll know they are looking for 20,000 new fans, they will already have counted out the people who they will have abandoned.

It's not the people who say they won't be going the club needs to worry about — it's the thousands of people who voted for it. If they are prepared to betray fellow blues at the sight of a glossy brochure, who’d bet against them deserting in their droves at the first signs of troubled waters?

Wimbledon and Man U fans both broke off to form very successful alternatives, so why is it so ridiculous for Evertonians to do the same?

I will never set foot in the Kirkby retail shed either, but I often wonder if any of these fans that are so eager to get there, and won’t say a bad word about the place, will any of them stand up and admit to being wrong when it goes tits up!

The thing is, going the match every other week is a habit and like all habits it is easily broken.

I was going the game in the early 1980s when hooliganism nearly killed the game. If you looked around you those days the majority of supporters were lads in their early 20s who’d walk up to the game or arrive by buses, taxis, train - move forward 25 years and those same lads form the core of the home and away support and largely they’ve not been replaced by the same numbers of lads in their 20s. - have a look around you at the next home game if you don’t believe me

You piss off your core support like hooliganism did in the 1980s and they’ll stop going - only this time they wont be replaced by ’walk ups’ from the town centre.

So after the first few months of traffic chaos and people getting really pissed off with waiting around to get in and get out and the attendances will start to fall... with attendances falling so will revenue, with revenue falling good players won’t come...

And sooner rather than later the ’big game’ will be Everton V Stockport County... in front of 22,000 die hards.. whilst Liverpool FC entertain Real Madrid in front of 100,000 in the only football ground in the City of Liverpool

Welcome to one possible future lads... sorry, but you can keep it!

For once, in my life, I agree with Tony Marsh!!!

Do we have a set date when we’ll find out if its been accepted or not? It has gone on and on so long I can’t remember when it was to be decided... November?

It's a no-win situation regarding the stadium... the board must know that — but they clearly beleive that Kirkby is the better of two crap options. If we stay at Goodison, we’ll never get investment; and if we move, we might attract investment, but lose half the fanbase.

I still haven’t got a clue which way I’d have voted, so a good job I wasn’t asked!

Chris Lawlor: ’nothing else to talk about’ — didn't BK indicate recently that he is bored of this topic? ’overblown sense of worth’ I get the feeling BK has the same impression of me after all I’m only a fan... ’I do not go to admire the support structure of the Bullens road end’ Why move then?

BK Please act like a Director not a Dictator. I fear however that this plea is too late, fallen on deaf ears etc etc. Chris, I sincerely hope you have a good journey on the BK DK bulldozer.

Patty - say 10 hail Mary’s and wash your mouth out immediately!

Maybe it’s correct to describe Evertonians who are reluctant to move to Kirkby as ’luddites’. The luddites themselves were badly smeared by the power brokers of their age. They were in fact very keen on instigating change and technological advancement, but in a way that would compliment their skills and enhance their lives rather than destroy it. This outlook is entirely rational. For many anti-Kirkby Evertonians it’s surely not a case of wanting to stay in a rickety Goodison and nothing else. KEOIC, for its part, is clear on this and the ’our position explained’ section on their website seems an entirely reasonable, well-argued case.

Get a grip lads- Kirkby is only four miles from Goodison. I bet you only a tiny proportion of ’Evertonians’ will not come to see us in Kirkby, you’re probably talking no more than hundreds. The new stadium effect will have our new ground packed to the rafters for at least the first 2-3 seasons.

Better brace yourself for what’s about to come your way, Jason!

I admire your mindless optimism, Jason.

"For those of you who are too thick to grasp what a move to Kirkby really means, I pity you. It's not about shorter or longer journeys on match days. Who gives a fuck how many miles less or more it is? It's the shame and the humiliation of having to scuttle out of the back door like a shithouse rat to Knowsley while the Red Shite hordes gloat and laugh at us."


Seriously Tony, are you old enough to buy a pack of tabs? That diatrabe is what I would expect from the mouth of a 10-year-old. Get a grip man.

Anyone can see that this issue has polarised everyone’s opinions and neither side will be happy with whatever the outcome is but the doom-and-gloom merchants are not doing anyone any favours.

Chris Lawlor, It’s not about "doom and gloom" merchants as you state.

It’s about longstanding Evertonians who are passionate about the club and can see through the lies and deceipt that constantly come from Kenwright.

He has already mortgaged/sold everything that moves in EFC — GP, season ticket sales, Finch Farm etc. etc. He now plans to sell our soul with this proposed move to Kirkby.

I will always support Everton wherever they play but I’m also concerned about the Armageddon factor of Kirkby which, once done, can never be undone.

That is why so many of us are so concerned.

Jay, i take your point and respect your opinion mate but its the way people put their argument across that annoys me.

I’m no idiot contrary to what my missus would tell you, and I can see as well as any other Evertonian that our choices are limited and we are being shunted towards a new stadium.

Our club will not disappear into Kirkby, to the rest of the country it will still be Everton. Most away fans hate Goodison’s antiquated facilities and will welcome a new ground.

Most Evertonians outside of Liverpool will also travel to the new ground. Whether some like it or not, those Evertonians who are not scousers matter just as much as the locals and will just want to see their team play.

All this talk of birth rights etc is ridiculous, it's a football club, it's not actually yours.... It belongs to.... well, you know who it belongs to....

On the ’New Everton’ question, it really has little meaning. FC Utd have had some success and, for a club at that level, recieve a lot of funding. However, I am yet to meet a Man Utd fan who has stopped supporting Man Utd and switched to FC Utd. There is generally a passive interest in its developments, but the Man U supporters stayed Man U supporters.

Wimbledon is an entirely different issue, as their club was quite literally taken away, not 4 miles but 60+, and the name was changed. That will not happen in this case.

I would passively support an FC Everton or whatever, and it would make a notable political stance on fans' feelings towards Kirkby, but will have little impact.

However, I must disagree with Tony Marsh. I don't believe Kirkby will lead to an exodus of local fans. I believe that maybe a few hundred will say ’fuck off’; however, the majority support Everton will will continue to support Everton.

Firstly, most LOCAL fans support the team they support due to family, not because they can see Anfield or Goodison. Young fans won't know the difference; so long as Arteta is taking free kicks and Cahill punching the corner flag, they could be playing on Mars for all they know.

Secondly, Kirkby is in Liverpool. Only recent, politically reasoned changes have meant it's technically Knowsley, but send someone from Kirkby 60 miles down the M62 to Manchester and he’ll be a scouser.

I do however think that Kirkby will have a huge impact on developing Everton beyond Liverpool. The poor quality of stadium, the eyesore of Tesco, the lack of funds it will develop for Everton will destroy us. Moving stadium should be a building block to development, however it offers nothing in that respect. Tourists will of course venture towards Liverpool if they have this world class stadium, and Everton have a Bolton style stadium.

I seriously think the only way forward is a shared-stadium, and despite being told by the media that ’fans will never have it’, personal experience has told me a lot of fans, on both sides would be up for it, if it meant one fantastic stadium in the City of Liverpool. You could have a club museum in each, and could create a true ’football village’ of two competing historical teams.

I don't see it happening, however; I feel Tesco has a lot more to it than we are being told, yet I doubt any of these things will benefit Everton as a Football Club.

But, at the end of the day, tha'ts what we are, a football team, and whether were in Tesco or not, we will always have: Dean's and Latchford's goals; Young's Mastery; and, if Rodwell is gracing the pitch in 8 years time as team captain and possible legend, then I will still support him and the rest of the team.

Kenwright cannot destroy Everton, Tesco cannot destoy Everton, becasue this is Everton. Name another club that would have stayed in the Premier League with our players, managers and money in the mid 90s... none; name another club that would continue to qualify for Europe, and continue to improve despite having NO money, lots of injuries, Tony Hibbert at Right Back and wankers at board level... none!

We will always survive.

Chris, The argument annoys you???

It's people like you that have made this thing happen, DK wouldn't have gotten off the ground if people didn't vote for it. Don't suddenly whinge "we are being shuntered out to there," — if you didn't want to be affiliated to a scouse team, do you believe Everton was a good chose to begin with? And on what grounds do you base your claim that non-scouse Evertonians would still go to Kirkby? Ask them, did you?

Dave Wilson, nope read the post again mate and have a seat while you’re at it. I said the way people argeued their point annoyed me not the actual issue of moving home.

It's people like you, Sir, who inflame the matter by not reading posts properly and flying off the handle. When did I mention I did not want to be affiliated to a Scouse team? How do you know I'm not scouse? Now take a deep breath and let's go again mate.

Chris, I for one, nor my son, as non-scousers (350-mile round trip for home games) will also not set foot in "The Tesco-dome", but the other guys I travel with are on the opposite side of the fence.

Ok Chris, I’m now sitting comfortably. You say the way people argued their point annoyed you, but then rather annoyingly dismiss other people's point of view.

You then — rather annoyingly — make ridiculous claims to try to back your argument: "We are not being shunted to Kirkby" well no, we’re not, the fans voted for it.

And you don't really know most non-scouse fans will go to Kirkby either, do you? — you made that bit up.

Your claim that non-scouse fans are just as important to Everton as scouse fans is also untrue; I’m not direspecting them, many of our finest fans are not from Liverpool and it would be brilliant if we enjoyed the sort of nationwide backing the RS get, but we don't. If the scousers stop watching Everton, the club dies,

The overwhelming majority of scousers support one of the teams based in this city; many of us believe it is our birthright, if you don't understand that, fair enough, you don't understand, but when you dismiss it as ridiculous... it's kinda annoying.

As for whether you are scouse or not — who cares, it's immaterial.

Tony, fair point. I don't think that any supporter that does not go when we move is any less of an Evertonian. I just think we should stand together for the sake of the club, there is too much slagging going on. We support the same side.

Please stop all this luddite stuff. For many of us not connected to KEIOC we have genuine fears for the long term future of our club in Kirkby. This should not be about city boundaries but about distance from the city centre. I previously posted that all big city clubs are located within 3.5 miles of their city centres. I have also stated that Valley Rd Kirkby is 8.4 miles from ours (all distances taken from their town hall).

I have since had the experience of visiting Heaton Park to see Oasis. This was a nightmare venue as the public transport was rubbish, there was inadiquote parking and it was too far from town to walk back to our hotel. this prompted me to look at the sort of clubs that are based in the small towns on the edge of our major cities.

Guess what, we could become anouther club like Stockport 7.2 miles from Manchester city centre, Bury (8.4 miles), Oldham (7.8 miles), Tranmere (4.2 but can’t walk because of a river), Walsall (10.8 from Birmingham).

This may mean little when we first move, but do you guys really think it will be of no significance in a few years time when we are struggling to develop our next generation of city based fans.
Do you really think we should be taking this risk. I am not a luddite, please give this some thought.

If the worst should come to pass, I hope my fears are not realised but my expectation is that the scheme as proposed would only lead to the demise of Everton as a top flight club & we would find ourselves bobing around between the 2nd & 3rd divisions - so that’ll be a new low.

I also think Kenrick’s use of the term Luddite is wholly inappropriate & offensive. Not all change is progress.

Even if Bill Gates bought us, I will not be watching Everton In Kirkby. It was bent from day one and I am still angry at the way the club tried to brainwash its supporters.

Kirkby is just a way to make 2 fat, rich Tottenham supporters even richer.

It is also a way to make 2 fat, one rich, one skint, Evertonians richer.

The rest of us? I don’t think we count.

Hear, hear, Colin; there have been many attempts at brainwashing, particularly over Kirkby, but my favourite had nothing to do with Kirkby: many of Bill's followers actually now believe Evertonians don’t buy football shirts, as a way of explaining our poor retail figures.

Richard Jones: for me, the biggest load of bollox that has emanated from an Everton employee in recent years was Wyness’s ludicrous assertion that 1000 Evertonians a game would cycle to DK!!!

Now that takes the biscuit.


Although, ’Don’t ask me, I’m only the Chairman’ isn’t far behind. :)

Ha Ha I forgot about that one, Karl.

What about "I’m bored with that question, You're not getting an answer."

Not always the case... however, in this instance, I’m 110% with Tony Marsh et al.

Glynne

Back to your original point, I for one would seriously consider supporting an Everton which represented all the thing the current Everton wont if we move to kirkby.

It does not matter to me if they could ever concievably reach the top flight again as long as they are the team I was born to support, were based around St.Domingo and played in royal blue.

To those who consider people like me luddites look back into our history and you will see this situation has occured once before, which created the club you support today. It is not a fanciful Idea.

The Yes voters wont accept that to some people including me, moving out of our city feels wrong. It is wholly irrelevant where we move, it could be rochdale,widnes or anywhere but it is not Everton and that is where we are from and should remain.

Nearly every post sings the same winge "What about the shit we’ll take from Liverpool fans if we move away?" — the same people that go to matches and sing "We don’t care what the red side says" as logical as saying I won't go to Kirkby — are you an Evertonian or not? If not then fuck off — we’ll be better without yea. If you are then see you wherever the Blues turn out — some of us mean it when we say "Once a Blue, always a Blue".

How many United FC diehards who said it was the end of the club cheered as they won another 3 titles and a CL? All I bet, and the same will be true of all you luddites if Everton go to Kirkby and start winning things.

Mike Martin,

If Everton do go to Kirkby, you will soon find out how much better off you’ll be without us, sitting in a half empty stadium. Keep taking the pills, you’ll need them.

Colin Potter

So half the support is going to go if we move to Kirkby? Dream on luddite. You should be taking pills.

If you are talking about starting an FC Everton and really want to return to our history then you should really be talking about starting a cricket club not a football one.

Picture the scene Everton FC at the end of the 2011-12 season have just completed their second forray into the Champions League proper reaching the semi final of the competition have won the FA Cup that season, on the back of establishing themselves as the newest member of the Sky 4 and on the eve of the 2011-12 season just moving into the new stadium would you really say you are not setting foot in Kirkby if that really occurs?

I think not.

Chris Taggart

Picture the scene at the end of the 2014-15 season Everton FC play Tranmere Rovers in what both sets of fans consider their biggest game of the season.

Over 3,500 tranmere fans fill the away end at Kirkby for an attendance approaching 15,000 for what is being billed as the League 1 title decider.

Many of the staunch Everton fans who voted for the move to Kirkby are resolute in their support and continue to attend both home and away.

However, the equally staunch No voter’s have still not returned to the club and probably never will. The once big club’s more selective supporter’s have largely deserted them due to their current league position and inabilty to hold on to young talented players when Premier League giants such as Hull and Sunderland come knocking.

I believe that scenario is just as likely as yours!

Would you still say that moving to Kirkby was the right thing if that really occurs. I think not.

Stephen, I appreciate both our examples have a fantasy element but I doubt Moyes has your scenario in his latest blueprint for the club... mine on the other hand? Think I might get some tshirts printed

Once a blue always a blue (Expires August 2012).

Stephen Kenny

I have trouble understanding your post, it does not make sense.

You state:-
"Picture the scene at the end of the 2014-15 season Everton FC play Tranmere Rovers in what both sets of fans consider their biggest game of the season."

So you're saying if we stay at Goodison, this is not a possibility when you consider that we won't get a H&S cert for the stadium by then.
’However the equally staunch No voters have still not returned to the club and probably never will.’ — someone with no intention of returning to the club is called an ex-supporter not a staunch supporter.

"The once big clubs' more selective supporters have largely deserted them due to their current league position" — I have never heard glory hunters called selective support — nice spin.

"Would you still say that moving to Kirkby was the right thing if that really occurs" — you never made any connection between going to Kirkby and are league position/Tranmere game. How does going to Kirkby have us falling out the league and playing Tranmere?

"How does going to Kirkby have us falling out the league and playing Tranmere?"

The common perception is that if we move to Kirkby the attendance will somehow fall so drastically that it will obviously impact the revenue coming in, ergo less money on players and we struggle to compete and eventually get relegated.

"The common perception" — so what you are saying is most people believe this to be true; so most Evertonians believe that if we go to Kirkby are fan base will decrease by 50%?

This is made up, I have seen no evidence that this is the case and amongst the Blue supporters I know it is not a "common perception" at all, unless you have evidence of this "common perception"?

Even if we do play Tranmere, then I will still support Everton because: ONCE A BLUE, ALWAYS A BLUE... GET IT?

It is not my perception Mike but on here it is the "common perception" of the majority of posters.

I have already said that if we end up moving to Kirkby, I will still be going to support my team Everton FC.

The ignorant ones will call me a sheep, let them; I am not interested in their opinion. What I am interested in is watching footy.

Just to add my voice as an oversee’s supporter of Everton who has not being to Goodison YET (much to my shame) , I was a member and did get to vote on the ballot move to Kirby and voted no simply on the basis that Everton is the origional club of Liverpool and whatever about what Kirby promises, the soul of Everton and the majority of local people that have for generations supported them is in Liverpool and to move the club (ANY CLUB) away from their roots extinguishes their history, IMHO away. I think Everton would lose much more than gain by moving and I for would see no point in following a team that willinginly sold its soul.

We have survived the transition from cricket club to football club.

We have survived the split between Blue and Red



We have survived a move outside the city boundries and will do so again

If you choose not to be a part of it then that is your entitlement but if they arnt going to be "your Everton" in August 2012 then they arnt going to be "your Everton" in the present either so the question is when are you going to call it a day? Now or later? if not now why?

I’m not having a go at those who say they will never set foot in Kirkby its your money you pay so you can do what you like but i do have dificulty in undersatanding that a ton of blues will be ticking the days off on a calender awaiting the death of "their Everton"