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As the summer drags on, it seems that as an Everton Fan we are all suffering the same periannal agony. Lots of links to players but no apparent cash for Moyes to invest.
I was looking at the relegated teams and thinking that some of the players in their teams may be worth punt in the transfer market. At Boro you have a few players which may fit the Moyes Prototype. Tuncay is 28-ish and would be a hard working player who ould be used as either a striker attacking midfielder or right winger an offer of around £5M might get him. Also at Boro you have young Adam Johnson who as we witnessed at the Riverside is a fast skilul midfielder. Again he is young and would be available relatively cheaply £2-3 million.
At the Barcodes there are a fair few players who might be good. Ryan Taylor at right back, bassong and taylor at centre back. You could take Nolan as a squad player or even risk a punt on bringing Joey Barton to his boyhood club. up front Obafemi Martins might be worth a punt.
Glad we haven got M'Bia as he seemed to be a mercenary. Would ike us try to get either Moutinho Or Veloso.
Frank Brooks, Posted 27/07/2009 at 14:00:09
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Do you not want any readers on this site then Michael.
It’s just a bit of harmless banter the sort of thing we do every day at work or in the boozer. Have you never discussed with anyone who you’d like at Everton.
Though maybe it’s just your way of applying for the new series of grumpy old men.
It’s just a bit of harmless banter the sort of thing we do every day at work or in the boozer. Have you never discussed with anyone who you’d like at Everton.
Though maybe it’s just your way of applying for the new series of grumpy old men.
Some of the better players at Boro and Newcastle are on massive wages. As we’re all aware most players are in it for the money and the likes of Tuncay and Bassong are already on bigger pay packets than the current Everton wage structure allows. There’s more to transfers than agreeing the actual transfer fee and as we’ve seen with Naughton we can’t compete.
Wages keep rising and some average players are on bigger wages at other clubs than some of our better players at Everton. The next crisis we face at Everton is keeping hold of what we’ve got let alone trying to sign new ones.
Wages keep rising and some average players are on bigger wages at other clubs than some of our better players at Everton. The next crisis we face at Everton is keeping hold of what we’ve got let alone trying to sign new ones.
Michael, as editor, why was the article printed then if you think it is pointless?
You are meant to encourage and moderate the site usage, not complain about it. After all, you have control over what comes on here and what doesn’t!!
But back to the point, do you not think that these clubs will have some kind of clause, so that players and staff wages will be reduced in the event of relegation? Newcastle will still command a good gate, which should help them through in the absence of Premiership Sky money. But Boro? They will be fucked surely if the wage bill remained the same?
I am suprised nobody has been picking at these clubs yet though, as there is some talent there. It would be interesting to see how much Boro could hold out for on their decent players. It seems they did a cracking job getting 12 million for Downing. He scored a grand total of 0 (yes, fuck all) in his 37 league appearances last season. In his 181 games for Boro, he managed a massive 17 goals. And would you believe it, little Ossie has managed 23 goals in 166 appearances. 12 million my arse...
You are meant to encourage and moderate the site usage, not complain about it. After all, you have control over what comes on here and what doesn’t!!
But back to the point, do you not think that these clubs will have some kind of clause, so that players and staff wages will be reduced in the event of relegation? Newcastle will still command a good gate, which should help them through in the absence of Premiership Sky money. But Boro? They will be fucked surely if the wage bill remained the same?
I am suprised nobody has been picking at these clubs yet though, as there is some talent there. It would be interesting to see how much Boro could hold out for on their decent players. It seems they did a cracking job getting 12 million for Downing. He scored a grand total of 0 (yes, fuck all) in his 37 league appearances last season. In his 181 games for Boro, he managed a massive 17 goals. And would you believe it, little Ossie has managed 23 goals in 166 appearances. 12 million my arse...
Lets have alook at the list of players you have mentioned........
Martins, I notice no one else has been in for him, I wonder why?
Barton, a thug and a poor excuse for a player!
Nolan, not any better than the players we have.
Taylor, wants to stay at Newcastle by his own admission, not much bettter than Hibbert.
Bassong is the only real choice and would be a good cover player for our cb’s.
Tuncay, we already have quality attacking midfield players!
Adam johnson, If he can’t even get in the team above a player that can’t score all season, must be good!
Players will be brought in. We must have faith in Moyes. I just hope he isn’t be shackled by Kenwright and false promises of transfer money!
Martins, I notice no one else has been in for him, I wonder why?
Barton, a thug and a poor excuse for a player!
Nolan, not any better than the players we have.
Taylor, wants to stay at Newcastle by his own admission, not much bettter than Hibbert.
Bassong is the only real choice and would be a good cover player for our cb’s.
Tuncay, we already have quality attacking midfield players!
Adam johnson, If he can’t even get in the team above a player that can’t score all season, must be good!
Players will be brought in. We must have faith in Moyes. I just hope he isn’t be shackled by Kenwright and false promises of transfer money!
I’d have Tuncay or Adam Johnson. Tuncay works hard and has alot of ability, the only problem I can see is if another club makes a bid he will probably go there because they (whoever they are) will have more money. Adam Johnson is a naturally left sided pacy winger, which we do not have at Everton at the moment and he fits in with Moyes’ philosophy of bringing in young English players. He is surely worth a punt and would not break the bank.
As for Newcastle, the only players I might look at there would be Bassong as cover at centre back and I think under the right manager Jonas Gutierrez could be a good player in the Premier League. I’m not so sure about Martins because we’ve got enough strikers as it is, but we do miss that threat of pace upfront that we’ve previously had with both Radzinski and Andy Johnson. As for the likes of Barton and Nolan I’d steer well clear we don’t want the reputation of our football club being dragged through the dirt. One is a troublemaker and the other is a dirty kopite who’s disgraceful challenge has ended in Anichebe being ruled out for 6 months and even Bolton didn’t think he was good enough.
As for Newcastle, the only players I might look at there would be Bassong as cover at centre back and I think under the right manager Jonas Gutierrez could be a good player in the Premier League. I’m not so sure about Martins because we’ve got enough strikers as it is, but we do miss that threat of pace upfront that we’ve previously had with both Radzinski and Andy Johnson. As for the likes of Barton and Nolan I’d steer well clear we don’t want the reputation of our football club being dragged through the dirt. One is a troublemaker and the other is a dirty kopite who’s disgraceful challenge has ended in Anichebe being ruled out for 6 months and even Bolton didn’t think he was good enough.
Michael is just setting the tone for the forum (someone else quite rightly labelled it ’nonstopmoaningbastards.com’).
The players you mentioned Frank, are the kind of player we should avoid, and we certainly don’t need any more strikers. I’d be more than happy if Moyes could bring in a couple of loan signings in midfield (who could potentially turn into perminant signings depending on performance) and a cheap cover for left / central defence. The lions share of the money we have (surely we have £10m) should go on a 1st team right back... this point of view is shared by most Evertonians, but in an ideal world we’d love to see a classy replacement for Ossie aswell (this is unlikely).
The most worrying thing for me was looking at the jam-packed fixture list.... and then the squad!!! To survive the season we need 4 senior players minimum... what’s the betting they come in the last week of August?
The players you mentioned Frank, are the kind of player we should avoid, and we certainly don’t need any more strikers. I’d be more than happy if Moyes could bring in a couple of loan signings in midfield (who could potentially turn into perminant signings depending on performance) and a cheap cover for left / central defence. The lions share of the money we have (surely we have £10m) should go on a 1st team right back... this point of view is shared by most Evertonians, but in an ideal world we’d love to see a classy replacement for Ossie aswell (this is unlikely).
The most worrying thing for me was looking at the jam-packed fixture list.... and then the squad!!! To survive the season we need 4 senior players minimum... what’s the betting they come in the last week of August?
At Michael,
Your doing a rather good imperssion of a Ratner!
Your doing a rather good imperssion of a Ratner!
Most clubs have clauses in players contracts that if they go down so does the players wages. However Newcastle apparently never meaning the daft geordies are in the championship paying 50k a week etc. They will receive the "parachute" payment this year which will help them but I still believe they will be desperate to get rid of the big earners and the closer we get to the start of the season the more chance of a bargain. I agree that jonas and bassong would improve the strength and depth of our squad, but like somebody else said they would go elsewhere for the wages.
Adam Johnson, steven taylor or david wheater seem to fit Moyes’ ideal yet the last 2 are apparently showing their hometown clubs a bit of loyalty, so fair play to them. Johnson would be a good signing at the right price as if it never worked out there would be a buyer and his wages wouldn’t be too high.
Adam Johnson, steven taylor or david wheater seem to fit Moyes’ ideal yet the last 2 are apparently showing their hometown clubs a bit of loyalty, so fair play to them. Johnson would be a good signing at the right price as if it never worked out there would be a buyer and his wages wouldn’t be too high.
Hi michael
thanks for posting my comments. i have indeed played champ manager/football manager. I dont expect anyone from the club reads this website or indeed would take any notice of the 2 pences that are offered on such fan sites. I also have looked at what other people are posting as well.
thanks for posting my comments. i have indeed played champ manager/football manager. I dont expect anyone from the club reads this website or indeed would take any notice of the 2 pences that are offered on such fan sites. I also have looked at what other people are posting as well.
Frank/Francis: shame on you. Can you not comb the mailbag archives and realise you’re saying the kind of harmless chatter that fills this website everyday. Maybe it’s the heat (15 degrees here in Bristol) but when I log in to TW I want some incisive comment, or failing that, at least a verbose and lengthy character assassination of somebody. Pull yourself together.
For fuck’s sake Michael. Sometimes I wonder what the fuck you are on and whether you purposefully attempt to drive people away from this site.
What are we getting to? Topics that only Michael Kenrick approves of? Perhaps we need some form of pre-qualification criteria and a contributor’s promise that no discussions outide of these pre-agreed and ’Kenrick authorised’ topics will be entered into?
There is no need for your acerbic and condescending tone and it does nothing of any benefit to the site. You don’t necessarily have to chip into every thread by default, let it go man and loosen up.
What are we getting to? Topics that only Michael Kenrick approves of? Perhaps we need some form of pre-qualification criteria and a contributor’s promise that no discussions outide of these pre-agreed and ’Kenrick authorised’ topics will be entered into?
There is no need for your acerbic and condescending tone and it does nothing of any benefit to the site. You don’t necessarily have to chip into every thread by default, let it go man and loosen up.
Kenricks attitude stinks, it always has. If it wasnt for posts like this he wouldnt have any readers/vistitors... because there’s sod all else going on!
I’ll probably get banned for saying that aswell!
What about that young goalie who’s just got out of prison after blackmailing someone? He must be worth a look, and he’s possibly within Moyes’s transfer budget/wage structure.
Quote.
"I think i’m losing the will to live."
Well I lost the will to live in the last transfer window and have not yet regained it.
"I think i’m losing the will to live."
Well I lost the will to live in the last transfer window and have not yet regained it.
I think it’s pretty hilarious; the sad fact is that there’s not much that’s new to talk about (especially at the moment) and we contributors are not trained hacks with an eye for a story. In fact we’re a pretty ordinairy bunch of people, content to swap stories around some pretty mundane topics, I think that’s what forums are for. Poor old Michael wants rip roaring headlines and polemics, this forum just doesn’t do it for him.
Let’s go and get Manny, Miguel and anyboby else that’s interested in coming from Valencia!!
Rumour just in: Francis Benali was seen outside a blue door in stoke.
You heard it here first!
You heard it here first!
Hehe... Marcus, I think you came closest. I like a good debate about what’s really going on at Everton, about the players who actually play for Everton — not total bollocks about listing the names of players you might like to see play for Everton. Idle banter indeed... so idle that for me it verges on the utterly pointless because, even if a player is linked to Everton, our Rumour Mill has proved increasingly that it is 99% total bollocks.
It used to be 90% a few years back... then 95%, but based on the players linked versus players arriving, it’s now at least 99% bollocks. And if you actually added in (somehow) the players we sign that we are NOT linked to in the media, it would actually be 110% bollocks!
I honestly don’t give a shit who anyone thinks should be playing for Everton. I only care about the players we actually have. Maybe my time is too valuable but I can’t imagine spending one nanosecond dreaming about who, out of the hundreds of thousands of players out there, I would like in the Everton squad. That’s FM Fantasy Football, FFS.
It’s totally and utterly pointless. There are plenty of websites for that nonsense. This website is about the real Everton, and for me, that means (among many other things) it’s about the real players who really play for Everton. I reluctantly extend that to players who are linked on the now increasingly slim chance that one out of the hundred or so my actually join us.
But as for Frank’s or anybody else’s FM musings about who they would like to play for Everton if they have not at least been linked to us... To quote our Chairman. I’m bored with that question.
It used to be 90% a few years back... then 95%, but based on the players linked versus players arriving, it’s now at least 99% bollocks. And if you actually added in (somehow) the players we sign that we are NOT linked to in the media, it would actually be 110% bollocks!
I honestly don’t give a shit who anyone thinks should be playing for Everton. I only care about the players we actually have. Maybe my time is too valuable but I can’t imagine spending one nanosecond dreaming about who, out of the hundreds of thousands of players out there, I would like in the Everton squad. That’s FM Fantasy Football, FFS.
It’s totally and utterly pointless. There are plenty of websites for that nonsense. This website is about the real Everton, and for me, that means (among many other things) it’s about the real players who really play for Everton. I reluctantly extend that to players who are linked on the now increasingly slim chance that one out of the hundred or so my actually join us.
But as for Frank’s or anybody else’s FM musings about who they would like to play for Everton if they have not at least been linked to us... To quote our Chairman. I’m bored with that question.
Michael, now ain't that a better response!!!
And since you put it that way — I probably agree!
And since you put it that way — I probably agree!
Completely agree with MK.
Why people waste summer after summer drafting their amateur scouting reports is completely beyond me. More so their despair and disgust when their fantasy transfer targets don’t come off. (Not putting you in the latter bracket here Frank - it’s a general observation.)
’Dithering Dave misses out on transfer target’ — how many times have I read that about a player who the media/fans have discussed, but that Everton have never expressed any interest in?
Why people waste summer after summer drafting their amateur scouting reports is completely beyond me. More so their despair and disgust when their fantasy transfer targets don’t come off. (Not putting you in the latter bracket here Frank - it’s a general observation.)
’Dithering Dave misses out on transfer target’ — how many times have I read that about a player who the media/fans have discussed, but that Everton have never expressed any interest in?
It’s the transfer season ffs so of course most people will be speculating who we might/should buy. There’s nothing else going on at the club so why not talk about transfers. I’m sure when the season actually starts then there will be more talk about the squad and the club and less transfer speculation.
If the editorial team don’t like transfer talk, don’t print it in the mailbag. Simples.
If the editorial team don’t like transfer talk, don’t print it in the mailbag. Simples.
Mark, who says its wasting their summer? People quite enjoy thinking about new signings, in fact, many people love it.
The real, actual players at Everton are probably quite interested in who we might buy and who we’re linked with.
And thirdly, and most importantly, we spend all season discussing on here what’s right and wrong with the real, actual Everton team and players, and the summer is the opportunity the club has to improve those things that need improving. We’re going to watch the real, actual Everton players for approximately 10 months, and our moods will go up and down with their performances, so for most of us its quite important that we have as good a team and squad as possible, what happens right now, in terms of transfers, affects this. The massive problem with this of course, is that Everton seem to be pretty abysmal in the transfer market. We’ve known for ages (varying lengths of time depending on who you talk to) that we need two new first team players to progress (basically replacements for Hibbert and Osman, whether Neville plays DM or RB), and yet no-one at the club seems to know or care or be doing anything about it, which leads those of us who perhaps spend too much time thinking about Everton to start our own speculations. Its particularly galling though, that Lorik Cana, the captain of a major French club and of his country (Albeit Albania), with Champions League experience and a good reputation within the game, is available for what we would have paid for Kyle Naughton, says he wants to come to us and we do nothing. The alternative to these speculations and commentaries, a basic acceptance that ’we’re as good as we’re ever going to get so stop dreaming’ isn’t really on, especially when it comes from someone who is going to moan and whinge massively about the manager and players once the season starts.
I don’t really see what else these forums are going to be for during the summer, so leave us alone, and if a topic doesn’t interest you, don’t read it! Where else would you complain about something you’re not interested in rather than simply choose something else?
And Francis, to answer your original question, I don’t really fancy many relegated players, they tend to get relegated for a reason, but I would sign Julio Arca immediately as the replacement for Nuno Valente, and Tuncay would interest me if he was happy to stay right side all season. Whatever I was going to do, I’d have bloody well done it by now.
The real, actual players at Everton are probably quite interested in who we might buy and who we’re linked with.
And thirdly, and most importantly, we spend all season discussing on here what’s right and wrong with the real, actual Everton team and players, and the summer is the opportunity the club has to improve those things that need improving. We’re going to watch the real, actual Everton players for approximately 10 months, and our moods will go up and down with their performances, so for most of us its quite important that we have as good a team and squad as possible, what happens right now, in terms of transfers, affects this. The massive problem with this of course, is that Everton seem to be pretty abysmal in the transfer market. We’ve known for ages (varying lengths of time depending on who you talk to) that we need two new first team players to progress (basically replacements for Hibbert and Osman, whether Neville plays DM or RB), and yet no-one at the club seems to know or care or be doing anything about it, which leads those of us who perhaps spend too much time thinking about Everton to start our own speculations. Its particularly galling though, that Lorik Cana, the captain of a major French club and of his country (Albeit Albania), with Champions League experience and a good reputation within the game, is available for what we would have paid for Kyle Naughton, says he wants to come to us and we do nothing. The alternative to these speculations and commentaries, a basic acceptance that ’we’re as good as we’re ever going to get so stop dreaming’ isn’t really on, especially when it comes from someone who is going to moan and whinge massively about the manager and players once the season starts.
I don’t really see what else these forums are going to be for during the summer, so leave us alone, and if a topic doesn’t interest you, don’t read it! Where else would you complain about something you’re not interested in rather than simply choose something else?
And Francis, to answer your original question, I don’t really fancy many relegated players, they tend to get relegated for a reason, but I would sign Julio Arca immediately as the replacement for Nuno Valente, and Tuncay would interest me if he was happy to stay right side all season. Whatever I was going to do, I’d have bloody well done it by now.
The papers have to replace their footie coverage with something to fill the closed season void and I guess we as fans do exactly the same. It’s a bit like picking a scab - you know you shouldn’t but you just cant help yourself.
On that note - I heard that Moutinho was seen with Riquelme boarding a flight.....
On that note - I heard that Moutinho was seen with Riquelme boarding a flight.....
In most instances, I’d avoid players from relegated clubs. I’d rather we signed players who have a winning mentality. Say what you like about Neville but he’s a winner after being used to it at Man Utd. Let's aim for players who want to win things — not just play in the Premier League at any club that shows an interest.
I don't think there is anything at all wrong with having a little discussion on possible targets. Yes, it's a bit low-brow you could say... but there isn’t much else happening.
Frank, bit concerned about your way of thinking!
Tuncay - decent, we were linked with him in some tabloid. but do we need any more strikers? secondly you have probably undervalued him, I think about £6m minimum.
Johnson - looked ok for U-21s, but why would he be available for £2-3m? You can't get the proverbial pot to piss in for that! He is a talented young English player linked with Chelsea and Real Madrid amongst others! Double the £3m at a conservative estimate I’d say. People talk about downing going for £12m, he isn’t world class but that is simply the going rate for English players today. You couldn't get stephen hunt for £2-3m!!
Ryan Taylor is shit, agree with the guy who said he is no better than Hibbert.
Nolan - See above, also on about £50k per week
Bassong - will be a lot of interest starting with wobbleface at White Hart Lane (WAGES AGAIN)
Martins - There is a link developing with all Newcastle players, the guy is on 70k per week!!! why do we need another forward either?
We have to get realistic. With our meagre budget we are going to have to be clever and bide our time, I for one am sure Moyes will sort it out. We are not many players away from a good squad, Moyes has said he will add centre-back and left-back cover, he knows what he's doing!!
Frank, bit concerned about your way of thinking!
Tuncay - decent, we were linked with him in some tabloid. but do we need any more strikers? secondly you have probably undervalued him, I think about £6m minimum.
Johnson - looked ok for U-21s, but why would he be available for £2-3m? You can't get the proverbial pot to piss in for that! He is a talented young English player linked with Chelsea and Real Madrid amongst others! Double the £3m at a conservative estimate I’d say. People talk about downing going for £12m, he isn’t world class but that is simply the going rate for English players today. You couldn't get stephen hunt for £2-3m!!
Ryan Taylor is shit, agree with the guy who said he is no better than Hibbert.
Nolan - See above, also on about £50k per week
Bassong - will be a lot of interest starting with wobbleface at White Hart Lane (WAGES AGAIN)
Martins - There is a link developing with all Newcastle players, the guy is on 70k per week!!! why do we need another forward either?
We have to get realistic. With our meagre budget we are going to have to be clever and bide our time, I for one am sure Moyes will sort it out. We are not many players away from a good squad, Moyes has said he will add centre-back and left-back cover, he knows what he's doing!!
Fran, If I was Moysie and I was looking to grab a bargin in the North East I wouldn’t touch Barton with a barge pole, Tuncay I think is a smashing player but I think he plays his best football just behind the striker and we have both Cahill and Fellaini competing for that spot. He could probably do a job out wide but I’d rather buy a specialist wideman.
Jonas Gutierrez looked a class act at the start of last year, he can play wide right or left, has a bit of pace and is very direct with a good work ethic. His lack of goals would be a worry but he was playing in a poor team. Maybe an £8M bid could persuade the Barcodes to cash in?
Jonas Gutierrez looked a class act at the start of last year, he can play wide right or left, has a bit of pace and is very direct with a good work ethic. His lack of goals would be a worry but he was playing in a poor team. Maybe an £8M bid could persuade the Barcodes to cash in?
Didn’t Everton pay big money to FM for access to their information....I haven’t played the game myself - but on the above basis I don’t understand the retort.
I think the article says more that it attempts....it neatly sums up the despair at our innability to improve our football team..leading to a mass hysteria on all fronts.
This kind of torture could lead someone to holding tea parties in a sanatorium - while believing onself to be Kaiser Wilhelm.
I think the article says more that it attempts....it neatly sums up the despair at our innability to improve our football team..leading to a mass hysteria on all fronts.
This kind of torture could lead someone to holding tea parties in a sanatorium - while believing onself to be Kaiser Wilhelm.
I agree with Mike Allison about Julio Arca, a player I’ve been very fond of ever since I was a student in Sunderland. He is a good player, maybe not an automatic first team selection, but a player who can play left back, left wing and central midfield, always busts a gut for the team and is the kind of player who would be a perfect squad member.
It’s unlikely that he will ever play for Everton. But I’ve always kind of hoped he would.
The Guardian’s Marcela Mora y Araujo sums up his glories quite well here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/mar/21/europeanfootball.sport
It’s unlikely that he will ever play for Everton. But I’ve always kind of hoped he would.
The Guardian’s Marcela Mora y Araujo sums up his glories quite well here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/mar/21/europeanfootball.sport
Julio Arca...slow, cant defend not particulary good attacking.
Michael Johnson...was hyped up a few years ago, however massive injury problems, hardley played for City and talk around manchester is he’s heavily into coke, and been living the playboy lifestyle for last 2 years.
Bassong...A newcastle defender, really? This I dont get, Bassong, R & S Taylor etc are all rated higly but Newcastle had the worst defence in the league bar West Brom. However, contrary to many posters on here, Bassong is only on 5k at Newcastle so I doubt wages would be a big issue.
Tuncay...A player of real quality, would fit in nicely to the 4-3-3 style game with Pienaar or Jo on the Left, Yak up front and him on the right. Would also offer us something different. 5-6mil would be an excellant deal, maybe send them Anichebe/Vaughan on Loan as part of the deal.
Barton...No, No, No...How could we boo and abuse Gerrard then justify signing that scumbag. Talented yes, but NO.
Martins, looks ok, but we have Jo and Yak, plus Saha as backup and Vaughan too, so we dont need to waste money on him.
Guiterrez, looks ok, but no more than a 3-5 million player. But wouldnt complain at his signing, but wages???
Hutton...I never really seen him, but I wouldnt offer spurs more than 3-4million as they signed him for 8 and have replaced him with 2 different right backs since.
Who we sign is a big question, however expect maybe one first teamer and if JL goes a replacement in defence, then a few loans or such. The major issue we have is wages as big players all want 60k minimum, and that wont happen here as we cant afford it, that is why we get them young and why Moyes wants to check ’personality’, i.e. find out if they think £££ is more important than success.
but hey, the Yak is back in training, thats one like new signing already, were guarenteed 2 more by November
Michael Johnson...was hyped up a few years ago, however massive injury problems, hardley played for City and talk around manchester is he’s heavily into coke, and been living the playboy lifestyle for last 2 years.
Bassong...A newcastle defender, really? This I dont get, Bassong, R & S Taylor etc are all rated higly but Newcastle had the worst defence in the league bar West Brom. However, contrary to many posters on here, Bassong is only on 5k at Newcastle so I doubt wages would be a big issue.
Tuncay...A player of real quality, would fit in nicely to the 4-3-3 style game with Pienaar or Jo on the Left, Yak up front and him on the right. Would also offer us something different. 5-6mil would be an excellant deal, maybe send them Anichebe/Vaughan on Loan as part of the deal.
Barton...No, No, No...How could we boo and abuse Gerrard then justify signing that scumbag. Talented yes, but NO.
Martins, looks ok, but we have Jo and Yak, plus Saha as backup and Vaughan too, so we dont need to waste money on him.
Guiterrez, looks ok, but no more than a 3-5 million player. But wouldnt complain at his signing, but wages???
Hutton...I never really seen him, but I wouldnt offer spurs more than 3-4million as they signed him for 8 and have replaced him with 2 different right backs since.
Who we sign is a big question, however expect maybe one first teamer and if JL goes a replacement in defence, then a few loans or such. The major issue we have is wages as big players all want 60k minimum, and that wont happen here as we cant afford it, that is why we get them young and why Moyes wants to check ’personality’, i.e. find out if they think £££ is more important than success.
but hey, the Yak is back in training, thats one like new signing already, were guarenteed 2 more by November
Fran, it's Adam Johnson of ’Boro and not Michael Johnson of Man City Frank was talking about. I agree about Michael Johnson — nobody has heard about him for years, be similar to the signing of Simon Davies, doomed to failure!
Mike, your angre/defensiveness towards me in misplaced. I’m not complaining - just putting forward my point of view. I found you response to me interesting and would like to respond in a non aggressive/non complaining way to some of your comments to me:
"The real, actual players at Everton are probably quite interested in who we might buy"
Yes, and they may or may not have insight and/or input into this. We don’t.
"no-one at the club seems to know or care or be doing anything about it"
How do you know this? Had you heard anything about our enquiries into Fellaini before he signed? I’d bet my house that there are people at Everton working very hard to address the weaknesses in the current squad.
"those of us who perhaps spend too much time thinking about Everton start our own speculations"
Harmless on it’s own yes. The problem arises when the player signs for someone else. All of a sudden a) Moyes is a ditherer because he didn’t sign them and b) the club have got our hopes up and let us down again. All this in spite of the fact that nobody at the club ever publicly expressed any interest in the player!!! Perfect example: "that Lorik Cana, the captain of a major French club and of his country (Albeit Albania), with Champions League experience and a good reputation within the game, is available for what we would have paid for Kyle Naughton, says he wants to come to us and we do nothing"
It’s easy as a fan to say we should buy Cana for £7m. But did you take into account the £60000 a week salary he demanded (and got at Sunderland)? I’m sure Moyes and Kenwright did. How does this fit in with the wage structure at Everton?
"Kyle Naughton, says he wants to come to us and we do nothing."
Really? Did we not have a bid publicly accepted? Was it not the choice of the player / his club to accept Spurs offer over ours?
"Where else would you complain about something you’re not interested in rather than simply choose something else?"
I didn’t complain. You can write and discuss what you want. I merely expressed my opinion that fans ’recommending’ who the club should buy seems pointless. It will not lead to that player being bought and breeds resentment towards the club when the player goes elsewhere.
One last thing
"Everton seem to be pretty abysmal in the transfer market."
In my opinion, you may disagree, David Moyes has generally done very well in his transfer dealings since he arrived at Everton.
"The real, actual players at Everton are probably quite interested in who we might buy"
Yes, and they may or may not have insight and/or input into this. We don’t.
"no-one at the club seems to know or care or be doing anything about it"
How do you know this? Had you heard anything about our enquiries into Fellaini before he signed? I’d bet my house that there are people at Everton working very hard to address the weaknesses in the current squad.
"those of us who perhaps spend too much time thinking about Everton start our own speculations"
Harmless on it’s own yes. The problem arises when the player signs for someone else. All of a sudden a) Moyes is a ditherer because he didn’t sign them and b) the club have got our hopes up and let us down again. All this in spite of the fact that nobody at the club ever publicly expressed any interest in the player!!! Perfect example: "that Lorik Cana, the captain of a major French club and of his country (Albeit Albania), with Champions League experience and a good reputation within the game, is available for what we would have paid for Kyle Naughton, says he wants to come to us and we do nothing"
It’s easy as a fan to say we should buy Cana for £7m. But did you take into account the £60000 a week salary he demanded (and got at Sunderland)? I’m sure Moyes and Kenwright did. How does this fit in with the wage structure at Everton?
"Kyle Naughton, says he wants to come to us and we do nothing."
Really? Did we not have a bid publicly accepted? Was it not the choice of the player / his club to accept Spurs offer over ours?
"Where else would you complain about something you’re not interested in rather than simply choose something else?"
I didn’t complain. You can write and discuss what you want. I merely expressed my opinion that fans ’recommending’ who the club should buy seems pointless. It will not lead to that player being bought and breeds resentment towards the club when the player goes elsewhere.
One last thing
"Everton seem to be pretty abysmal in the transfer market."
In my opinion, you may disagree, David Moyes has generally done very well in his transfer dealings since he arrived at Everton.
After the last close season, was anyone genuinely surprised that we have yet to make a major signing, whilst players we have been strongly linked to (whether speculation or not) have gone elsewhere?
I know Michael can come across as a tad cynical at times, but on this issue, I wholeheartedly agree.
Until BK is able to drum up investment, which may be linked to the result of DK or not, I’m afraid this is what we have to accept. Moyes and the team worked minor miracles achieving 5th last season, plus the cup final appearance. But how many of us seriously think he can keep pulling these rabbits out of the hat?
I personally think that his priority this summer has been to keep the crux of the squad intact. I am also of the opinion that if we were to lose Lescott to City, it would be the start of the break up of the tight squad we have. Hope I’m wrong on both counts...
I know Michael can come across as a tad cynical at times, but on this issue, I wholeheartedly agree.
Until BK is able to drum up investment, which may be linked to the result of DK or not, I’m afraid this is what we have to accept. Moyes and the team worked minor miracles achieving 5th last season, plus the cup final appearance. But how many of us seriously think he can keep pulling these rabbits out of the hat?
I personally think that his priority this summer has been to keep the crux of the squad intact. I am also of the opinion that if we were to lose Lescott to City, it would be the start of the break up of the tight squad we have. Hope I’m wrong on both counts...
To be fair Mark, what I wrote was a joint response to both you and Michael Kenrick, so the complaining bit isn’t really relevant to you.
I don’t know if you deliberately misquoted me but the ’Kyle Naughton, says he wants to come to us and we do nothing’ quote was the end of a sentence about Lorik Cana, so no, we didn’t have a bid accepted in that context. Also, we should have been interested in Cana, I’ve just written why on the other thread which you started (I’ve only just found your reply on here since). Cana’s fee was also reported as £5M not £7M so seems a pretty good deal, wages I know nothing about.
You ignore a very important word ’seems’ in one of my sentences. There is nothing visible happening. Also, if they were working that hard, they’d have had a £5M bid for Cana accepted and then hit the wages stumbling block. They SEEM not to know that we need a DM or RM, as I’ve said before, they should have signed them by now, I don’t want a desperate £15M signing of someone who’s only played in the Belgian league on August 31st, that’s not good enough.
And your one last thing, Dt. Columbo, I said ’Everton seem to be pretty abysmal in the transfer market’. Not David Moyes does badly in the transfer market. The key difference being that your phrase makes it sound like I think the players he buys are shit, whereas I’m much more worried about the players he doesn’t buy. I will not accept "we have a small squad, we don’t have the resources of other clubs" as an excuse this season. They’ve had years to get the squad up to the right level, and have failed to do it, constrantly missing out on available players who would be good for us.
One example, about 2-3 years ago, which I remember posting on here, was that Wenger announced he wouold let Flamini go as he wasn’t getting first team football. I said we should sign him (he might even have been free, but certainly would have been a bargain) and we didn’t. The next season he was in the Arsenal first XI, one of their better players, and moved to AC Milan. We miss out on a lot of stuff, and seeing the manager arsing around in Utah against a cobbled together team doesn’t exactly inspire confidence that they’re working hard to sign the players we need.
The fact is we spent £15M last summer on one player who, if everyone else was fit, I wouldn’t put in my starting XI, while complaining our squad is too small. That’s pretty abysmal in the transfer market if you ask me.
I don’t know if you deliberately misquoted me but the ’Kyle Naughton, says he wants to come to us and we do nothing’ quote was the end of a sentence about Lorik Cana, so no, we didn’t have a bid accepted in that context. Also, we should have been interested in Cana, I’ve just written why on the other thread which you started (I’ve only just found your reply on here since). Cana’s fee was also reported as £5M not £7M so seems a pretty good deal, wages I know nothing about.
You ignore a very important word ’seems’ in one of my sentences. There is nothing visible happening. Also, if they were working that hard, they’d have had a £5M bid for Cana accepted and then hit the wages stumbling block. They SEEM not to know that we need a DM or RM, as I’ve said before, they should have signed them by now, I don’t want a desperate £15M signing of someone who’s only played in the Belgian league on August 31st, that’s not good enough.
And your one last thing, Dt. Columbo, I said ’Everton seem to be pretty abysmal in the transfer market’. Not David Moyes does badly in the transfer market. The key difference being that your phrase makes it sound like I think the players he buys are shit, whereas I’m much more worried about the players he doesn’t buy. I will not accept "we have a small squad, we don’t have the resources of other clubs" as an excuse this season. They’ve had years to get the squad up to the right level, and have failed to do it, constrantly missing out on available players who would be good for us.
One example, about 2-3 years ago, which I remember posting on here, was that Wenger announced he wouold let Flamini go as he wasn’t getting first team football. I said we should sign him (he might even have been free, but certainly would have been a bargain) and we didn’t. The next season he was in the Arsenal first XI, one of their better players, and moved to AC Milan. We miss out on a lot of stuff, and seeing the manager arsing around in Utah against a cobbled together team doesn’t exactly inspire confidence that they’re working hard to sign the players we need.
The fact is we spent £15M last summer on one player who, if everyone else was fit, I wouldn’t put in my starting XI, while complaining our squad is too small. That’s pretty abysmal in the transfer market if you ask me.
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Have you ever played Football Manager?
Have you ever looked at this website before and read what people have been posting about Everton transfers?
Do you really think someone at the Club is going to read the names you suggest and actually say..."Gee, why didn't we think of him?", and go out and make a bid for said player?
This summer is bad but either it's the heat (100 F in Portland, OR) I think I'm losing the will to live...