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Incoming bid for JLo...
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One of the big 'attractions' for Lescott to join them ones up the M62, at least according to the red-top bearers of truth, would be his high visibility to Capello in this World Cup year... WRONG!
It would make his skills LESS noticeable and open to consideration — think it through. The England coach needs to see how players adapt to differing styles of play outside the Premier League; in other words, 'Europa' & 'CL'. City of course, won't be eligible (if at all), for either of those tournaments until the polls close, as it were, AFTER the scrap in South Africa next summer.
And why would Lescott be less on show anyway with Everton, currently plying his trade as he does in the same league as 'The Citizens?
Now the wages; ah, that's a different matter...
Ro Clive, Posted 29/07/2009 at 06:41:06
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Michael Kenrick
These questions have been raised before, Ro, so check out the numerous Lescott threads we have... but we need another one today to discuss the latest impending threat from City. Can you honestly say you ain't just a little bit worried?
As the pending improved bid for JLo is coming, it's probably in going to be in the region of £20 million. With this money, we should buy Tuncay, £9 million has been offered by Stuttgart, so we match that bid and pull him in. He's stated he would like to stay in the Premier League so if we act quickly we'll get him.
Ashley Williams from Swansea looks to be a good prospect, he's come up through the lower leagues and is now a Welsh International. Similar in stature & as a player to JLo and will only improve under Moyes. Can't cost more than £5 million. Leaving us with £6 million to spend on a right back or right winger.
Although I agree with you Ro, I think Michael is right - I am a little worried, but only because Lescott ahsn’t actually popped up and told City to "get stuffed"!
Let’s face it, practically the whole team has made some sort of comment of the Lescott situation except the man himself. Now I agree that he shouldn’t have to, but anyone with half an ounce of nouse can see that this situation is being wound up by the papers and causing riffles within the fans if not the club as well.
Lescott could easily put all of this to bed with a quick statement to the effect that he is not interested.
Of course, this could be an elaborate ploy by EFC to eke out the situation leaving, keep City waiting and so leave them with a defensive hole at the start of the season... we know how good EFC are at playing this sort of game don’t we;;?
Let’s face it, practically the whole team has made some sort of comment of the Lescott situation except the man himself. Now I agree that he shouldn’t have to, but anyone with half an ounce of nouse can see that this situation is being wound up by the papers and causing riffles within the fans if not the club as well.
Lescott could easily put all of this to bed with a quick statement to the effect that he is not interested.
Of course, this could be an elaborate ploy by EFC to eke out the situation leaving, keep City waiting and so leave them with a defensive hole at the start of the season... we know how good EFC are at playing this sort of game don’t we;;?
He’s on his way let’s face up to it, and to be honest good luck to the lad, who wouldn’t turn down a doubling of salary and promises of bigger riches to come?
We can’t afford to turn away £20m+, it doesn’t send out a great message but reality bites.
We can’t afford to turn away £20m+, it doesn’t send out a great message but reality bites.
While I understand the worries out there about Lescott we seem to keep going over the same ground every week.
Personally I think he’ll go, I dont want him to for many reasons. The main issue I have with the whole thing is that City know the only way to get him now is to unsettle him, making public their desire for him and all this crap when info is leaked to sky sports about an imbending bid!
For god sake how often do you ever hear of breaking news that a bid may be made in the next 24 hours?!!!
I actually trust moyes wont sell him unless Lescott says he wants to move. City know this so keep making there intentions public!.... Wankers!
Personally I think he’ll go, I dont want him to for many reasons. The main issue I have with the whole thing is that City know the only way to get him now is to unsettle him, making public their desire for him and all this crap when info is leaked to sky sports about an imbending bid!
For god sake how often do you ever hear of breaking news that a bid may be made in the next 24 hours?!!!
I actually trust moyes wont sell him unless Lescott says he wants to move. City know this so keep making there intentions public!.... Wankers!
£9 million for Tuncay?!? Never worth it, and Middlesborough need rid of big earners like him so cant see Stuttgart opening with that much! If we sold Lescott, im not sure we could risk buying a ’good prospect’, because remember, they will have to be thrown straight into action until at least October!
Lescott will go to City in the last hour on transfer deadline day and Blue Bill will say we did not have enough time to get in a replacement or to make our first signing of the season. Come the winter transfer deadline, we will have no money available! Oh how I hate these transfer tales of doom and gloom.
Or could it be that Joleon has said nothing because that’s the way we do business at Everton?
If he comes out and says he is definitely staying then it makes the club look like the villains of the piece. If he says he definitely doesn’t want to go then he looks a fool when he eventually signs for them (no matter whose decision it was).
By staying silent (made to stay silent) it keeps City guessing, and forces them to improve the bid because they can’t cite the player agitating for a move. Unfortunately it keeps us Blues guessing too and mostly guessing it will be bad news for us.
If he comes out and says he is definitely staying then it makes the club look like the villains of the piece. If he says he definitely doesn’t want to go then he looks a fool when he eventually signs for them (no matter whose decision it was).
By staying silent (made to stay silent) it keeps City guessing, and forces them to improve the bid because they can’t cite the player agitating for a move. Unfortunately it keeps us Blues guessing too and mostly guessing it will be bad news for us.
According to a report in tonights media apparently both Kenwrong & Moyes are united and adament that Lescott will NOT be sold..
Didn’t they say the same just before we off-loaded Rooney....!!
Just dont believe a word Kenwrong says anymore...he’s full of shit.
We’re in the shite if Lescott goes not because he’s THAT good but because we will have nobody to play at centre half....Yobo is a loose canon and prone to make mistakes that cost us goals & Jags wont be back until November...As much potential as he has Rodwell is IMO just not ready to play there yet...that leaves us who..Nedeme Onuha...please god no !!
Didn’t they say the same just before we off-loaded Rooney....!!
Just dont believe a word Kenwrong says anymore...he’s full of shit.
We’re in the shite if Lescott goes not because he’s THAT good but because we will have nobody to play at centre half....Yobo is a loose canon and prone to make mistakes that cost us goals & Jags wont be back until November...As much potential as he has Rodwell is IMO just not ready to play there yet...that leaves us who..Nedeme Onuha...please god no !!
Let’s just remember Lescott is tied to a long term contract....all we have to say is NO and keep saying NO until they go away !!
If they are allowed to bully us into selling then the game is well and truely fucked and we all might as well wrap up and make it a five team league.
Stand up to the arrogant bastards (particularly that smug twat Hughes)and tell them to FUCK OFF !!
I dearly hope that they fuck up their first ten games and that twat gets the sack I really do...serve him right for shitting on everyone.
If they are allowed to bully us into selling then the game is well and truely fucked and we all might as well wrap up and make it a five team league.
Stand up to the arrogant bastards (particularly that smug twat Hughes)and tell them to FUCK OFF !!
I dearly hope that they fuck up their first ten games and that twat gets the sack I really do...serve him right for shitting on everyone.
Why dont we as a club put a release clause in contracts like many other clubs do? That way its simple, the price is in the contract. All this business about a players worth is a joke, Everton could have seen this coming and put a release clause in his contract for say a fair 28 million. Too much you might say but that is the idea, if your prepared to pay that amount then we will let you talk to him. Therefore it wouldn’t matter how much they put in the press... its all in the contract!! Then City say "we’ll pay that!", it then becomes up to Lescott if he desires to leave and we get the price we want. We lost out massively with Rooney, everybody in the game could see his worth but we let them play the "he’s not proven" line to keep the price down. Todays market would see Rooney at 3 times the price we got for him and I don’t think he’s 3 time the player. We would have made more on Rooney in merchandising by now and it would be interesting to see how much he has made for United. These players are investments just as much as footballers, I think all the Arab wealth in the game should tell you that. I think the writings on the wall for Lescott, I just hope we learn from this and protect our investments better from now on.
What we have to remember is that Lescott is a high level professional footballer. Now I know that Everton and Moyes have somewhat ’made him’ into the international player he is, but surely we should expect him to want to move on to city.
Now, I would love to see Joleon stay as much as any evertonian. I believe he is one of our absolute vital players, but surely nobody can argue that City isnt a tep up from Everton now....Tevez; Adebayor; Barry; Robinho; Santa Cruz; Ireland; Wright-Phillips; Toure, this is a quality team that are going places, and inevitibly far quicker than we are at everton. Yes, he wont play in the Europa League this season, but thats hardly a deal breaker. City are going to fighting for honours this season, and in my opinion definatley playing in the Chapions League in the following year, should everything go to plan. Unfortunatley we are not.
If he hands in a transfer request, i know there will be sections branding him disloyal and a money grabber, but as I say even the most optimistic evertonian surely cant believe that City are any longer a step down from us.
If he stays great, if he goes, all the best Joleon; its been great to have you at Goodison!!
Now, I would love to see Joleon stay as much as any evertonian. I believe he is one of our absolute vital players, but surely nobody can argue that City isnt a tep up from Everton now....Tevez; Adebayor; Barry; Robinho; Santa Cruz; Ireland; Wright-Phillips; Toure, this is a quality team that are going places, and inevitibly far quicker than we are at everton. Yes, he wont play in the Europa League this season, but thats hardly a deal breaker. City are going to fighting for honours this season, and in my opinion definatley playing in the Chapions League in the following year, should everything go to plan. Unfortunatley we are not.
If he hands in a transfer request, i know there will be sections branding him disloyal and a money grabber, but as I say even the most optimistic evertonian surely cant believe that City are any longer a step down from us.
If he stays great, if he goes, all the best Joleon; its been great to have you at Goodison!!
Does anyone know how much we will owe Wolves as part of any deal?
Robert some good points but he owes Everton a bit of loyalty.
We took a bit of a gamble to say the least given he was a lower league player with history of a very serious injury.
If he puts in a transfer request then I think he deserves any stick he gets.
We took a bit of a gamble to say the least given he was a lower league player with history of a very serious injury.
If he puts in a transfer request then I think he deserves any stick he gets.
We’ve all read today that City are coming in with a bigger bid ... today the club have not been out shouting from the rooftops that they would reject any bid for first team players...
Lescott - pack your bags your off up the M62 mate whether you like it or not - thanks for the service - BTW Jags will get your England spot for the World Cup, he is the better defender after all.
Lescott - pack your bags your off up the M62 mate whether you like it or not - thanks for the service - BTW Jags will get your England spot for the World Cup, he is the better defender after all.
One of the things I note about Robert Pierpoint’s post is that Mark Hughes might have written it.
So we should expect him to want to move to City should we?
Well, no actually I don’t think we should expect that. I expect a little bit of loyalty from a player to a Club that gave him a chance to resurrect his career when nobody else would touch him because of his chronic knee problem.
So City are a step up from Everton now are they? Well, no I don’t think that is necessarily true. Real Madrid are a much richer club than Barcelona who bought every Galactico in sight for years but which is the superior team? No arguments there I suspect.
So City will be fighting for honours next season will they?...well we were fighting for them last season and weren’t City supposed to be on their way to the top four when Shittywatra bought the club...what happened then?
As for ’all the best Joleon’ if he goes, that will be just one more nail in the coffin of this game and further proof that the players we think we are at one with in the support of football clubs are just proven to be a bunch of mercenaries who don’t give a fuck about the Clubs and supporters who made them what they are.
It is not as if Lescott is trying to find his way out of a minumum wage job to the dizzying heights of £10 an hour. He already earns in a week more than most supporters earn in two years. I might be being unfair to Lescott because he might come out with a statement tomorrow telling City to fuck off. But it is more likely he will be asking for a transfer at some point on his agent’s advice and in that case it will not be ’good luck Joleon’ from me it will be ’good riddance shitbag’.
So we should expect him to want to move to City should we?
Well, no actually I don’t think we should expect that. I expect a little bit of loyalty from a player to a Club that gave him a chance to resurrect his career when nobody else would touch him because of his chronic knee problem.
So City are a step up from Everton now are they? Well, no I don’t think that is necessarily true. Real Madrid are a much richer club than Barcelona who bought every Galactico in sight for years but which is the superior team? No arguments there I suspect.
So City will be fighting for honours next season will they?...well we were fighting for them last season and weren’t City supposed to be on their way to the top four when Shittywatra bought the club...what happened then?
As for ’all the best Joleon’ if he goes, that will be just one more nail in the coffin of this game and further proof that the players we think we are at one with in the support of football clubs are just proven to be a bunch of mercenaries who don’t give a fuck about the Clubs and supporters who made them what they are.
It is not as if Lescott is trying to find his way out of a minumum wage job to the dizzying heights of £10 an hour. He already earns in a week more than most supporters earn in two years. I might be being unfair to Lescott because he might come out with a statement tomorrow telling City to fuck off. But it is more likely he will be asking for a transfer at some point on his agent’s advice and in that case it will not be ’good luck Joleon’ from me it will be ’good riddance shitbag’.
Now that Toure has signed for City and Onuoha has signed a five year contract maybe City’s interest will cool? After all they also have Richard Dunne who is still a model of consistency and Richards who can play at centre back too.
I am not being funny but why are they going to be challenging for trophies straight away?
They have a manager who so far has proven very average at best.
Out of the players he has bought IMHO Baines is better than Bridge, Jags is better than Toure, Arteta is better than Barry and most Arsenal fans will tell you Adabarndoor (his nickname last season) is not as good as the Yak.
Its all well and good having six forwards but when are they going to get a game? as they don’t have enough games for squad rotation so this will bring some form of unrest.
Don’t get me wrong it will obviously come in the end but I would not bank on next year.
They have a manager who so far has proven very average at best.
Out of the players he has bought IMHO Baines is better than Bridge, Jags is better than Toure, Arteta is better than Barry and most Arsenal fans will tell you Adabarndoor (his nickname last season) is not as good as the Yak.
Its all well and good having six forwards but when are they going to get a game? as they don’t have enough games for squad rotation so this will bring some form of unrest.
Don’t get me wrong it will obviously come in the end but I would not bank on next year.
You beat me to it, Dave - Man City are a step above us now, eh? I have to ask folks, What evidence exists that makes it a dead cert that Lescott leaves? They have more money? Well, there have been players who turned down salary before in order to stay where they’re comfortable and happy. Lescott hasn’t said anything? Wouldn’t be the first time a player remained quiet when his name has been consistently mentioned in transfer talks. So what is it? Echoes of Rooney? Fear? As was mentioned before, Lescott is on a long term contract, we cannot move him until Jags returns, Man City has signed their supposed makeweight in any Lescott deal - there seems to me to be a lot of obstacles that prevent him from leaving.
lol Kenwrong......that made me laugh.
I don’t begrudge Lescott moving clubs, but if it’s going to happen ( and surely the club have sounded him out? ) then let’s get it done soon, so we at least have a chance of bringing in an adequate replacement until Jags is back.
If we do sell, for f*ck sake it better be for £20m or above, considering City just splashed out £16m on a 29yr old in the last year of his contract!
I don’t begrudge Lescott moving clubs, but if it’s going to happen ( and surely the club have sounded him out? ) then let’s get it done soon, so we at least have a chance of bringing in an adequate replacement until Jags is back.
If we do sell, for f*ck sake it better be for £20m or above, considering City just splashed out £16m on a 29yr old in the last year of his contract!
I’ve just had another look back at Robert Pierpoint-Hughes’ quality team and would like to put this into perspective, player by player...
TEVEZ Can be a very influential player. But for every good game I have seen him play for Man U he plays two in which he was totally ineffective. His workrate is phenomenal but this alone does not make him a great player. That is why SAF reckons he’s not worth £25 million...and I agree.
ADEBAYOR Arsenal make more chances than any other team in the Premiership so any half decent striker will score goals there. Adebayor was half decent and scored a few goals at Arsenal. Yakubu or Torres would score millions at Arsenal! Adebayor is a lazy whinging bastard that Arsenal and their supporters are glad to see the back of.
BARRY Overrated in my opinion. Good, tidy midfielder and makes tidy short passes to keep possession. Gives too many fouls away for me and sometimes loses his way in games. At Goodison last year in the league game he was totally ineffectual and spent most of the match pretending to be injured when Villa were under pressure. Just a little better than ordinary for me.
ROBINHO Looks to be in the wrong team when playing for Brazil. Can score great goals though and always has to be watched. His temperament (more off the pitch than on it) will be his ruination, mark my words.
SANTA CRUZ Spent most of his career at Blackburn being told to wake up and do a bit of work. Occasional flashes of brilliance but not consistent. Disappears when things aren’t going well and still doesn’t work hard enough for me.
IRELAND No arguments there. Very good player. Good combination of toughness and creativity. Too good for City. If he gets better he will be snapped up by a ’bigger’ club.
WRIGHT-PHILLIPS Tricky little devil sometimes but with the worst delivery from wide positions than anybody else I know except Tony Hibbert and the latter is a full back! Definitely overrated. Chelsea found that out...he was abysmal for them and no other ’top’ team was interested apart from the rumour about the Fat Spanish Waiter and what would he know? Definitely overrated.
Of couse nobody can know in advance how all these individuals will ’gel’ but on the face of it there is only one player I would welcome at Goodison and that is Ireland. Hardly quality is it?
TEVEZ Can be a very influential player. But for every good game I have seen him play for Man U he plays two in which he was totally ineffective. His workrate is phenomenal but this alone does not make him a great player. That is why SAF reckons he’s not worth £25 million...and I agree.
ADEBAYOR Arsenal make more chances than any other team in the Premiership so any half decent striker will score goals there. Adebayor was half decent and scored a few goals at Arsenal. Yakubu or Torres would score millions at Arsenal! Adebayor is a lazy whinging bastard that Arsenal and their supporters are glad to see the back of.
BARRY Overrated in my opinion. Good, tidy midfielder and makes tidy short passes to keep possession. Gives too many fouls away for me and sometimes loses his way in games. At Goodison last year in the league game he was totally ineffectual and spent most of the match pretending to be injured when Villa were under pressure. Just a little better than ordinary for me.
ROBINHO Looks to be in the wrong team when playing for Brazil. Can score great goals though and always has to be watched. His temperament (more off the pitch than on it) will be his ruination, mark my words.
SANTA CRUZ Spent most of his career at Blackburn being told to wake up and do a bit of work. Occasional flashes of brilliance but not consistent. Disappears when things aren’t going well and still doesn’t work hard enough for me.
IRELAND No arguments there. Very good player. Good combination of toughness and creativity. Too good for City. If he gets better he will be snapped up by a ’bigger’ club.
WRIGHT-PHILLIPS Tricky little devil sometimes but with the worst delivery from wide positions than anybody else I know except Tony Hibbert and the latter is a full back! Definitely overrated. Chelsea found that out...he was abysmal for them and no other ’top’ team was interested apart from the rumour about the Fat Spanish Waiter and what would he know? Definitely overrated.
Of couse nobody can know in advance how all these individuals will ’gel’ but on the face of it there is only one player I would welcome at Goodison and that is Ireland. Hardly quality is it?
Loyalty doesn’t exist in football anymore lads,and no-one could blame him for going, even if it was just for the cash.
At the end of the day, City will be going places, it may be in a few years time, because they have the one thing that will get them there, cash, and lots of it.
At the end of the day, City will be going places, it may be in a few years time, because they have the one thing that will get them there, cash, and lots of it.
Dave that’s seven players already without a defender or keeper and only two midfielders, they will have unrest in that camp this year, they will not be able to play them all each week, can you imagine them at Stoke getting lumps kicked out of them, every club is going to be out for the arrogant fuckers.
Dave - I think you need to wake up and smell the coffee. It would be interesting to see just what you would do in Joleon’s position. Don’t forget he is a Villa supporter not an Evertonian and the vast majority of players are mercenaries.
We are the fools who chuck all that money at a bunch of millionaires kicking a football about. I think he is as good as gone and the only thing that interests me now is how much we get for him so we can improve the team.
I don’t think it will be the end of the world if he dose go. He was shite at the start of last season and went missing for Chelsea’s equalizer in the cup final.
For those who still don’t think that City are a step up, well the game is all about money. I hate the way it is but unfortunately that is the way it is and City have more than any other team in the premier league. If I were a player I would sooner go to City than go to Arsenal. City can only improve and Chelsea are testament to what that sought of money can do. I think some of you are burying your heads in the sand and hoping they will just go away.
We are the fools who chuck all that money at a bunch of millionaires kicking a football about. I think he is as good as gone and the only thing that interests me now is how much we get for him so we can improve the team.
I don’t think it will be the end of the world if he dose go. He was shite at the start of last season and went missing for Chelsea’s equalizer in the cup final.
For those who still don’t think that City are a step up, well the game is all about money. I hate the way it is but unfortunately that is the way it is and City have more than any other team in the premier league. If I were a player I would sooner go to City than go to Arsenal. City can only improve and Chelsea are testament to what that sought of money can do. I think some of you are burying your heads in the sand and hoping they will just go away.
Perhaps making the point that City are a ’step up’ from Everton was rather heated. Of course there are reasons why we believe that Lescott should stay at Everton. We have the nucleus of a very good team; indeed i believe that Lescott is central to that, I fully believe that Lescott will go to the world cup if he is playing at everton next year. However i do maintain that if we ask the question of who has the greater chance of winning honours and participating in the champions league in the near future, then surely it has to be City.
Without wanting to stary from the point of Lescott, City have been canny. They have bought quality premiership footballers, who SHOULD be able to adjust to a new club. There’s no Veron or Shevchenko in their signings. I saw in one of the above posts someone suggest that the Yak was a better striking option than Adebayor, which i believe is a little deluded. Adebayor has the ability to be one of the best in Europe.
It isn’t my greatest worry that Lescott leaves. As I say, I would wish him well and remember him as a great centre back who in the main gave committed and significant service to Everton. My main worry lies with who replaces Lescott. In my eyes there is nobody at his standard who we would be able to bring in, unless it is for the exact price which we receive for Joleon.
Without wanting to stary from the point of Lescott, City have been canny. They have bought quality premiership footballers, who SHOULD be able to adjust to a new club. There’s no Veron or Shevchenko in their signings. I saw in one of the above posts someone suggest that the Yak was a better striking option than Adebayor, which i believe is a little deluded. Adebayor has the ability to be one of the best in Europe.
It isn’t my greatest worry that Lescott leaves. As I say, I would wish him well and remember him as a great centre back who in the main gave committed and significant service to Everton. My main worry lies with who replaces Lescott. In my eyes there is nobody at his standard who we would be able to bring in, unless it is for the exact price which we receive for Joleon.
Robert it is not deluded mate the Yaks record speaks for itself every single season he has been in the top flight.
Adebayor was slaughtered last year by Arsenal fans, he has potential but he also has more than potential to have more clubs than Anelka and to be as greedy and a lot for trouble causing than him.
Adebayor was slaughtered last year by Arsenal fans, he has potential but he also has more than potential to have more clubs than Anelka and to be as greedy and a lot for trouble causing than him.
Steve Edwards
I can smell the coffee...I’m having one now. If the game was only about money Everton would have been relegated by now. Just think of all the teams who are richer than us and finished below us last season.
Villa
Man City
Sunderland
Newcastle
Wigan (yeah Wigan!)
et al.
Everton are the proof that football is NOT only about money and that clubs can progress and achieve with only a modicum of the stuff.
Robert Pierpoint
Adebayor better than Yakubu?
Do you want a coffee?
I can smell the coffee...I’m having one now. If the game was only about money Everton would have been relegated by now. Just think of all the teams who are richer than us and finished below us last season.
Villa
Man City
Sunderland
Newcastle
Wigan (yeah Wigan!)
et al.
Everton are the proof that football is NOT only about money and that clubs can progress and achieve with only a modicum of the stuff.
Robert Pierpoint
Adebayor better than Yakubu?
Do you want a coffee?
Dave, i do respect your opinion and the fact that you spent such time giving your views on the ’quality’ City players that I suggested. But i firmly believe its you who needs the coffee if you think that the only player that City have who would get into our squad is Steven Ireland!!
I for one would love to see Robinho and Wright-Phillips form a three pronged attack with the Yak!!!
On Adebayor, its all opinion. I’m amazed that Chelsea didnt want him, and if I was asked to give a tip for the top scorer for next season, he wouldn’t be far from my thoughts.
I understand when you say that football isn’t solely based on money, but season on season it gets more and more important. I seriously doubt whether you could get a Lescott figure from the championship now, and it surely wouldnt be for five million. The Arteta and Cahill deals, almost certainly couldnt be repeated in 2009. If Lescott leaves, what are the options? Michael Turner for £8m. He’s had one season in the premier league with a poor hull team. Doesnt seem value for money to me!
I for one would love to see Robinho and Wright-Phillips form a three pronged attack with the Yak!!!
On Adebayor, its all opinion. I’m amazed that Chelsea didnt want him, and if I was asked to give a tip for the top scorer for next season, he wouldn’t be far from my thoughts.
I understand when you say that football isn’t solely based on money, but season on season it gets more and more important. I seriously doubt whether you could get a Lescott figure from the championship now, and it surely wouldnt be for five million. The Arteta and Cahill deals, almost certainly couldnt be repeated in 2009. If Lescott leaves, what are the options? Michael Turner for £8m. He’s had one season in the premier league with a poor hull team. Doesnt seem value for money to me!
What has really got my back up today has been the role of the media especially Sky sports in all this. It appears that before making a second official bid for Lescott, City have leaked the fact that they will be making the bid in the next 24 hours. Everton are unable to respond however Lescott becommes more unsettled. City are the new Sky darlings they worship money and show no interest in clubs that build slowly and can’t spend a fortune. I think that they no Everton will not sell (their is no obvious replacement) and are totally dependent on Lescott asking for a move and they are doing it through the media. Sickening!!!
Robert it’s all about opinions so I will say this, the Yak will score more than him, never mind the usual suspects Torres etc.
Worrying.
The OS says Pienaar is unavailable tonight. Doesn’t say why.
The OS says Pienaar is unavailable tonight. Doesn’t say why.
JLo? I know he’s immense at the back but thats going a bit far
The bid is £19m. City obviously looking for Lescott to request a transfer...
Why not take a leaf out of Chelsea’s book by reporting City to the PL for ’tapping up’ Lescott.
They know he signed a long contract and are deliberately using the sucking up media to influence him. If he goes then he goes, just so long as we get a decent price for him. Personally I think City wont do all that well this season, too many individuals (mercenaries if you like) and not enough team players. Add to that a Manager who cant handle all the ego’s and if they finish in the top 10 i’ll be surprised.
They know he signed a long contract and are deliberately using the sucking up media to influence him. If he goes then he goes, just so long as we get a decent price for him. Personally I think City wont do all that well this season, too many individuals (mercenaries if you like) and not enough team players. Add to that a Manager who cant handle all the ego’s and if they finish in the top 10 i’ll be surprised.
£19m...no deal. He’s on a long term contract and we don’t want to sell. We dictate the price, not the bidder.
Why aren’t they bidding stupid prices for any of the red shites team??? Even if they don’t get them it’d still be nice to see their boat rocked for once this summer!
Why aren’t they bidding stupid prices for any of the red shites team??? Even if they don’t get them it’d still be nice to see their boat rocked for once this summer!
Graeme Bradman - I agree totally!
Hence why I asked why we dont have a release clause in his contract? If we did business this way it would be clear for all and it would cut all the media nonsense out. Meet the price or walk away. If the price is high people will say he’s not worth it, although they must remember it’s not about Lescott’s worth but his worth to Everton. As some have already said, any money we gain from a sale would need to go on a replacement. To find someone of the same quality would cost around the same as Lescott... whats in it for Everton?
Now some have said Richards or this other defender as part of a deal, why the hell would they give up the fortune they’re already earning to come to Everton? There will be no swap IMO and paying big wages could be City’s downfall. If you pay big money, nobody will want to leave, making it difficult to have a good clearout without it costing even more. I reckon they’ll need all that money to buy out all the bad contracts they’ve signed up too. Success for City I believe will be down to how long Hughes can keep everything going well. As soon as he is finished at City the next manager will be left with this lot and it will be difficult for any manager to stamp his authority on City for many a year because of it. Look how Chelsea have struggled after the special one left. Nobody wants to leave Chelsea, they are told to go.
Hence why I asked why we dont have a release clause in his contract? If we did business this way it would be clear for all and it would cut all the media nonsense out. Meet the price or walk away. If the price is high people will say he’s not worth it, although they must remember it’s not about Lescott’s worth but his worth to Everton. As some have already said, any money we gain from a sale would need to go on a replacement. To find someone of the same quality would cost around the same as Lescott... whats in it for Everton?
Now some have said Richards or this other defender as part of a deal, why the hell would they give up the fortune they’re already earning to come to Everton? There will be no swap IMO and paying big wages could be City’s downfall. If you pay big money, nobody will want to leave, making it difficult to have a good clearout without it costing even more. I reckon they’ll need all that money to buy out all the bad contracts they’ve signed up too. Success for City I believe will be down to how long Hughes can keep everything going well. As soon as he is finished at City the next manager will be left with this lot and it will be difficult for any manager to stamp his authority on City for many a year because of it. Look how Chelsea have struggled after the special one left. Nobody wants to leave Chelsea, they are told to go.
As the Million Dollar Man always said: ’Everybody has a price’. At some point Blue Bill will step in and accept a relatively substantial bid (20m+) and likewise Lescott will at some point start wondering what it would be like to win the lotto (earn a city contract). But i hope to jesus we dont accept this latest bid. Going by todays standards, we should easily be getting 25m or at least some kind of swap deal (not likely now that onuha has signed a new contract).
Robert - this isn’t going to happen unless Lescott requests a transfer. I doubt whether there are many who have posted on here would not be tempted by £2million pa for the next five years - which he would demand. A player with a serious past injury, let’s not forget.
£19m? Where does this figure come from? And my guess would be that EFC would hold out for more like £25m (depending on who is going to give Wolves their cut). They may also ask for favourable options on some City defenders.
At least we can be fairly sure that the Jo situation has nothing at all to do with this.
And, of course, a net £19m or so from sales doesn’t mean the same will be spent on new players. There’s a lot of silly season yet to go.
£19m? Where does this figure come from? And my guess would be that EFC would hold out for more like £25m (depending on who is going to give Wolves their cut). They may also ask for favourable options on some City defenders.
At least we can be fairly sure that the Jo situation has nothing at all to do with this.
And, of course, a net £19m or so from sales doesn’t mean the same will be spent on new players. There’s a lot of silly season yet to go.
Nothing we can do. Club will turn it down, and it depends on what Lescott does next. Moyes might be saying to him, were holding out for 25m, we get it, then were accept you can not request a transfer and you get a pay off.
We would be better getting some players in a swop deal (even though glad Jo wasnt part of that) so we dont have to pay Wolves so much.
What will be will be, but if he goes, great profit and good luck. If he stays, lets make sure we beat them when we play them. COYB
We would be better getting some players in a swop deal (even though glad Jo wasnt part of that) so we dont have to pay Wolves so much.
What will be will be, but if he goes, great profit and good luck. If he stays, lets make sure we beat them when we play them. COYB
Keith - where on the OS does it mention Pienaar being unavailable? Hope that’s just a minor knock in training, nothing more serious - like a transfer!
I’m hoping we keep hold of all our senior squad, no matter what anyone bids.
I’m hoping we keep hold of all our senior squad, no matter what anyone bids.
His right, Pieneer is out, but he also missed training, dont think anything to read into there !
Be interesting to see if Lescott plays, if his going he doesnt play. If he plays he is staying for now and bid will be turned down.
Be interesting to see if Lescott plays, if his going he doesnt play. If he plays he is staying for now and bid will be turned down.
If he does stay, it’ll be very interesting to see if his form is at all affected by all this speculation. I would hope he’s a strong enough character to get on with his job.
You’re right Trevor, if he’s on the team sheet, then the bid (if any) has been rejected.
You’re right Trevor, if he’s on the team sheet, then the bid (if any) has been rejected.
on sky sports news breaking story city bid £19 million for lescott.
I am glad there isnt a release clause in Lescotts contract as i am pretty sure it wouldnt even be as high as 19 million. A bid we will surely turn down. Lescott even last summer was being talked about between 8-10 million rated.
DM went public about no players leaving the club. If the board sell Lescott above his head then it’s bye-bye Davie.
The ideal outcome? Lescott puts in a transfer request, the fee is £25m plus and DM says OK and uses the money to strengthen the squad.
The ideal outcome? Lescott puts in a transfer request, the fee is £25m plus and DM says OK and uses the money to strengthen the squad.
I really do think this is a great opportunity for all... Lescott is good yes, BUT - We can extort city for whatever we want as the ball is firmly in our court with Jleans contract. $20m Onouha and Richards. City wont pay it? I wouldnt be so sure. Business sense and strategic building go out the window when you want quick success like city do. They are going nowhere with the shambolic imalanced defence they currently have. What happens if they dont meet our demands? Well, January will come, they will be 10th with the worst defence and best attack, will realise toure is wank and Bridge is past it; back they will come.
Simple Eh
Simple Eh
Graeme Bradman - spot on. The way Man Shitty are doing their business (through the media) is an absolute disgrace - you don’t hear DM talking up players who are under contract at other clubs. They should be reported to the Premier League. Heard David Prentice this morning saying that DM phoned the Echo to protest about stories that Lescott might be sold if the price is right. He is staying - unless the money is out of this world,i.e. £35m+.
Simon is right - this latest £19 million isnt enough, but its worth bearing in mind that this transfer market - and City - present a golden (and time-limited) opportunity for clubs like us to get inflated sums for players who normally would not be worth that amount of money. Two years ago the RS were paying that kind of money for Torres, and we were paying 20% of that kind of money for Jagielka... If they get to £25 million (and they should, after all they are clearly desperate) then we should accept it, its many times what we paid for him, Moyes can then reinvest it in the team and such windfalls may not come our way again.
Jesus,
All these calls for ’loyalty’ are just fuckin’ painful. To hear some of you lot you’d think Moyes had picked up Lescott’s crutch and carried his bloodied body to a safe house - before nursing him back to health - away from the preying eyes of the gestapo..
FFS. get a grip..
We made a lazarus signing..and for once it paid off...if we hadn’t taken him from wolves that season -someone would’ve taken him the next after realising his knee wasn’t completely buggered...
The payoff for taking that gamble has now been realised...that’s our loyalty payment - a player worth 20+mill. To suggest that Lescott owes us anything is plain ridiculous..he is entitled to choose his employment/employer within the realms of the law ...... not at the behest of a bunch of misguided and rabid Evertonians who think everyone should view this club the way they do.
FFS, is it so hard to understand that footballers are simply employees? And maybe even wish them the best when they attempt to better themselves..whether we agree with the merit of their decision or not?
All these calls for ’loyalty’ are just fuckin’ painful. To hear some of you lot you’d think Moyes had picked up Lescott’s crutch and carried his bloodied body to a safe house - before nursing him back to health - away from the preying eyes of the gestapo..
FFS. get a grip..
We made a lazarus signing..and for once it paid off...if we hadn’t taken him from wolves that season -someone would’ve taken him the next after realising his knee wasn’t completely buggered...
The payoff for taking that gamble has now been realised...that’s our loyalty payment - a player worth 20+mill. To suggest that Lescott owes us anything is plain ridiculous..he is entitled to choose his employment/employer within the realms of the law ...... not at the behest of a bunch of misguided and rabid Evertonians who think everyone should view this club the way they do.
FFS, is it so hard to understand that footballers are simply employees? And maybe even wish them the best when they attempt to better themselves..whether we agree with the merit of their decision or not?
Jesus,
All these calls for ’loyalty’ are just fuckin’ painful. To hear some of you lot you’d think Moyes had picked up Lescott’s crutch and carried his bloodied body to a safe house - before nursing him back to health - away from the preying eyes of the gestapo..
FFS. get a grip..
We made a lazarus signing..and for once it paid off...if we hadn’t taken him from wolves that season -someone would’ve taken him the next after realising his knee wasn’t completely buggered...
The payoff for taking that gamble has now been realised...that’s our loyalty payment - a player worth 20+mill. To suggest that Lescott owes us anything is plain ridiculous..he is entitled to choose his employment/employer within the realms of the law ...... not at the behest of a bunch of misguided and rabid Evertonians who think everyone should view this club the way they do.
FFS, is it so hard to understand that footballers are simply employees? And maybe even wish them the best when they attempt to better themselves..whether we agree with the merit of their decision or not?
All these calls for ’loyalty’ are just fuckin’ painful. To hear some of you lot you’d think Moyes had picked up Lescott’s crutch and carried his bloodied body to a safe house - before nursing him back to health - away from the preying eyes of the gestapo..
FFS. get a grip..
We made a lazarus signing..and for once it paid off...if we hadn’t taken him from wolves that season -someone would’ve taken him the next after realising his knee wasn’t completely buggered...
The payoff for taking that gamble has now been realised...that’s our loyalty payment - a player worth 20+mill. To suggest that Lescott owes us anything is plain ridiculous..he is entitled to choose his employment/employer within the realms of the law ...... not at the behest of a bunch of misguided and rabid Evertonians who think everyone should view this club the way they do.
FFS, is it so hard to understand that footballers are simply employees? And maybe even wish them the best when they attempt to better themselves..whether we agree with the merit of their decision or not?
Haha well said Ciaran, most sensible post I have seen since the end of the season.
"Everton reject £19m Manchester City bid for Lescott"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6732456.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6732456.ece
19 Million Bid and its expected to be rejected, again.
JLo could turn out to be our saviour.
He has been brilliant for us, but lets be honest he aint worth 25mil. The fact that he is english and scored a few goals has got him in the headlines, and we could seriously benafit from this.
We need money and this could be our chance.
It appears that we were going to get 21,22 million for this player, last year it would have been 10, thats a hell of a inflation rate.
Lescott costing the same as Tevez! Torres! Double Arshavin!
Also I dont agree with this stuff about traitor. Was he a traitor when he left Wolves to join Everton? Also our stance of we dont want to sell is to mearly push the price up. Also JL hasnt put in a request yet, which he could have done in May if he was a true scumbag, and got 2 extra months pay at doule or even triple...(if Toure is on 100-120k per week I imagine JL will be on the same, considering he’ll cost more)
This could give us our chace to sign that elusive creative midfielder and right back.
I like JL, he has done great for us but he is replaceable, and i’d prefer having someone other than JL plus a quality midfielder and right back than JL, Hibbo and Osman.
Milk them for they have got
Reckon they’ll believe Anichebe is the new Drogba and they can have him for 10mil. Sell them the ’new rooney’ Baxter for 15mil, worth a try...
JLo could turn out to be our saviour.
He has been brilliant for us, but lets be honest he aint worth 25mil. The fact that he is english and scored a few goals has got him in the headlines, and we could seriously benafit from this.
We need money and this could be our chance.
It appears that we were going to get 21,22 million for this player, last year it would have been 10, thats a hell of a inflation rate.
Lescott costing the same as Tevez! Torres! Double Arshavin!
Also I dont agree with this stuff about traitor. Was he a traitor when he left Wolves to join Everton? Also our stance of we dont want to sell is to mearly push the price up. Also JL hasnt put in a request yet, which he could have done in May if he was a true scumbag, and got 2 extra months pay at doule or even triple...(if Toure is on 100-120k per week I imagine JL will be on the same, considering he’ll cost more)
This could give us our chace to sign that elusive creative midfielder and right back.
I like JL, he has done great for us but he is replaceable, and i’d prefer having someone other than JL plus a quality midfielder and right back than JL, Hibbo and Osman.
Milk them for they have got
Reckon they’ll believe Anichebe is the new Drogba and they can have him for 10mil. Sell them the ’new rooney’ Baxter for 15mil, worth a try...
IMO EFC are a) holding out for a price well above £20M and b) forcing JLo to make the decision for all concerned. That way the player has to come out as leaving for an offer he can’t refuse; there is nothing else that City can offer that he hasn’t already got at EFC (European football, England squad, paying for a top six club). This scenario also means that Davie can say he stuck by his word: I.e. No one would be sold by him. I just wish they would all get on with it so we can use the money to improve our squad in both defence and midfield.
JLo is a great player and I will be gutted when he leaves, but we will survive and thrive as I trust DM to spend the money well.
JLo is a great player and I will be gutted when he leaves, but we will survive and thrive as I trust DM to spend the money well.
fran mitchell did you go to st kevs?
I hope we get an offer in the region of £25 million & sell him, partly because it’s good business & partly because people insist on calling him JLo!
Problem is, Steve, we won’t get to spend the money. It’s going towards the debt or DK. Better to keep the player at all costs.
I for one would be really sad to see him go but then I guess Wolves fans said that a few years back. I guess my main problem in losing Joleon is that he chips in with a few goals each season which is useful for a centre back. Maybe if J-Yo gets his spot back he can do the same.
o.s breaking news j.lo bid rejected..... good if the red shit pay 19m for a crap full back i would hold out for 26m and thats if j.lo says he wants to got. maybe he will do a j.t when he gets back form the usa and commit to the blues. Or double wages may be not...lol
Lescott is an average player you lot need to get a grip his goals disguise what a shite centre half he actually is. I would've taken the £15 million for our second best defender and run but good to see we're holding out for more.
Club confirms £18m bid for Joleon. I say NO. They said we don't need the money only a couple of weeks ago. It will be a disaster if we let him go this season.
We have officially rejected a second city bid for Lescott, a poxy £18 million.
OS states that second bid for Lescott has been rejected. David Moyes has stated that no players would be sold. When are some of you people going to listen?
Is it not blatantly obvious how single minded, and driven David Moyes is? I reckon even if Lescott let it be known he wanted to leave that Moyes would hold firm and say "you can leave when it suits the club, and me, and as I’ve said that no players will be sold you’re going nowhere, read your contract!" Not that I believe for a minute all this magumba about "my mates dog works at Finch Farm and he says Lescott wants to leave blah blah blah.....
The lads doing the right thing and just getting on with his football. He knows quite well that if it suited Moyes and the club then they’d have let City speak to him once the price was high enough. I reckon, though, that he knows David Moyes a lot better then we do which is probably why he’s saying nothing. I’d be surprised if Moyes hadn’t took him to one side and said "Look I’ve stated that nobodies getting sold, you’re a mainstay of the team, and as such I’m not listening to offers, end of.Now go and kick lumps out of Hibbert will you?"
Is it not blatantly obvious how single minded, and driven David Moyes is? I reckon even if Lescott let it be known he wanted to leave that Moyes would hold firm and say "you can leave when it suits the club, and me, and as I’ve said that no players will be sold you’re going nowhere, read your contract!" Not that I believe for a minute all this magumba about "my mates dog works at Finch Farm and he says Lescott wants to leave blah blah blah.....
The lads doing the right thing and just getting on with his football. He knows quite well that if it suited Moyes and the club then they’d have let City speak to him once the price was high enough. I reckon, though, that he knows David Moyes a lot better then we do which is probably why he’s saying nothing. I’d be surprised if Moyes hadn’t took him to one side and said "Look I’ve stated that nobodies getting sold, you’re a mainstay of the team, and as such I’m not listening to offers, end of.Now go and kick lumps out of Hibbert will you?"
Official site says Everton rejected £18M bid for Lescott, not £19M.
Please stop calling him JLO, she is a pampered spoilt overpaid tosser, something Joleon isn’t, unless he goes to the Arabs that is.
It’s not right about City is it, they now have 3 players who have given up CL football to play for them. It’s not the same as Chelski, they were in CL before Russian came.
City haven’t won anything since 1976.
It’s not right about City is it, they now have 3 players who have given up CL football to play for them. It’s not the same as Chelski, they were in CL before Russian came.
City haven’t won anything since 1976.
I think you should all accept the fact he will leave. Money talks — We will either get offered an amount we cant refuse or Lescott will ask to leave. (I would move for a massive payrise, as would we all.)
Accept those facts.
Accept those facts.
Adrian, they’re not facts - they’re just your opinion.
Ciaran
Why is an Evertonian ’rabid’ if he or she expects players to exhibit to their Clubs and supporters a modicum of the same loyalty that they expect from us? Why is it that Tim Cahill recognizes that Everton gave him a chance when nobody else thought of doing so and for that reason has expressed his loyalty? Why can’t we expect that from Lescott too?
What we expect and what we get are two different things and that is the point of the posts that you criticize. The game was not always like that and I wonder if you have read the conclusions of the recent supporter survey which points to a growing disillusionment at the way the game is developing, most particularly in the manner in which players are divorcing themselves from the grassroot support for the game and adopting superstar lifestyles. People are getting tired of it and the matter is being translated into less demand for season tickets overall and a reduced expressed intention amongst supporters to attend as many games.
It would be easy to blame the recession for this but it is strange is it not that in most recessions historically, attendance at football actually increases, probably as an escape mechanism as much as anything else. So the recession is not to blame.
Nobody is suggesting that Lescott or any other player should be prevented from plying his trade wherever he wishes as long as it is within the law of contracts. But what we are suggesting is that at least in the over-indulged and cash-flooded Premier League, the game is dying a slow death in the minds of those who keep the game alive...the supporters...or at least those amongst us who recognize that while football is indeed a business, football itself is a funny kind of business in that the customer base (the supporters) are immobile and trapped by ’loyalty’. Football depends on that for its lifeblood because it knows that supporters will not transfer their loyalties nor their cash to the latest league winners in the same way that we might spend our cash on a different brand of washing machine if we think we can get a better deal. Given that, it is not unreasonable for supporters to expect something back and all we have to expect back is the reciprocation of some of that loyalty. If we can’t even expect that, then the game is truly fucked and while the game will not collapse immediately if Lescott moves to City, such a development would encourage even more supporters, in this case Evertonians, to question their attachment to the game and a similar survey next year may highlight even more disillusionment with the game.
The nails are being tapped in one by one. No single tap causes an earthquake, but the tipping-point is approaching and it will come. Mark my words.
Why is an Evertonian ’rabid’ if he or she expects players to exhibit to their Clubs and supporters a modicum of the same loyalty that they expect from us? Why is it that Tim Cahill recognizes that Everton gave him a chance when nobody else thought of doing so and for that reason has expressed his loyalty? Why can’t we expect that from Lescott too?
What we expect and what we get are two different things and that is the point of the posts that you criticize. The game was not always like that and I wonder if you have read the conclusions of the recent supporter survey which points to a growing disillusionment at the way the game is developing, most particularly in the manner in which players are divorcing themselves from the grassroot support for the game and adopting superstar lifestyles. People are getting tired of it and the matter is being translated into less demand for season tickets overall and a reduced expressed intention amongst supporters to attend as many games.
It would be easy to blame the recession for this but it is strange is it not that in most recessions historically, attendance at football actually increases, probably as an escape mechanism as much as anything else. So the recession is not to blame.
Nobody is suggesting that Lescott or any other player should be prevented from plying his trade wherever he wishes as long as it is within the law of contracts. But what we are suggesting is that at least in the over-indulged and cash-flooded Premier League, the game is dying a slow death in the minds of those who keep the game alive...the supporters...or at least those amongst us who recognize that while football is indeed a business, football itself is a funny kind of business in that the customer base (the supporters) are immobile and trapped by ’loyalty’. Football depends on that for its lifeblood because it knows that supporters will not transfer their loyalties nor their cash to the latest league winners in the same way that we might spend our cash on a different brand of washing machine if we think we can get a better deal. Given that, it is not unreasonable for supporters to expect something back and all we have to expect back is the reciprocation of some of that loyalty. If we can’t even expect that, then the game is truly fucked and while the game will not collapse immediately if Lescott moves to City, such a development would encourage even more supporters, in this case Evertonians, to question their attachment to the game and a similar survey next year may highlight even more disillusionment with the game.
The nails are being tapped in one by one. No single tap causes an earthquake, but the tipping-point is approaching and it will come. Mark my words.
My bet is this.
He will sign just before the deadline, leaving Moyes no time to sign anyone.
Bk will then have a big wadge of cash to service the debt.
Come January transfer window we will go through this whole routine again.
He will sign just before the deadline, leaving Moyes no time to sign anyone.
Bk will then have a big wadge of cash to service the debt.
Come January transfer window we will go through this whole routine again.
Brian Wiliams - that’s pie in the sky that mate. The club won’t be able to turn down the money. You think just cos Moyes said no players will be leaving that they won’t accept any price for Lescott? They are playing a game with city to get the best possible price.
Well, fair play to the club. Considering we are skint, to reject a bid of £18 million for a player realistically valued at around £10-12 (in my humble opinon), shows great resolve. And in a way, the shite did us a favour, as they set the bar by signing Johnson for stupid money.
If as predicted, we hold out for around £22-25 million, then that is good business by our club. Especially considering he was an unknown player to most when he signed just 3 years ago.
But its imperative we re-invest at least £20 million back into the squad. I fully believe that Moyes will ensure we are in a stronger position should JL leave, so I dont feel that worried about it to be honest.
But one thing that does concern me, is City are signing proven Premier League players. I think the ’they have no chance, they are a bunch of mercenaries’ is sounding more and more like wishful thinking than actual fact. This has serious repercussions for our aspirations of breaking the top four. And it seems we can do little about it, but watch and hope it doesn’t work out. But you can bet if they are not in the top 5 by Xmas, Hughes will be gone. These arabs seem in it for the long haul....
If as predicted, we hold out for around £22-25 million, then that is good business by our club. Especially considering he was an unknown player to most when he signed just 3 years ago.
But its imperative we re-invest at least £20 million back into the squad. I fully believe that Moyes will ensure we are in a stronger position should JL leave, so I dont feel that worried about it to be honest.
But one thing that does concern me, is City are signing proven Premier League players. I think the ’they have no chance, they are a bunch of mercenaries’ is sounding more and more like wishful thinking than actual fact. This has serious repercussions for our aspirations of breaking the top four. And it seems we can do little about it, but watch and hope it doesn’t work out. But you can bet if they are not in the top 5 by Xmas, Hughes will be gone. These arabs seem in it for the long haul....
Personally I don’t give two figs for loyalty in football - the club will not be ’loyal’ to a player if a bid comes in at the right price or if he loses form, and we ’fans’ turn on our players at a moment’s notice after one bad game. We’re all mercenaries in this game. I just want what’s best for the club.
In terms of the Lescott (I will NEVER call him "JLo"... :shudder:) issue:
What we don’t know for sure is whether Moyes would be able to find good replacement(s) for JL for reasonable money, and impreve the squad elsewhere. We can’t have a situation where we make big bucks on JL but dramatically weaken the team because we can’t find a replacement of his quality soon enough and in budget. But it’s a bit hard to believe for £20m we can’t get a couple of very good defensive players with plenty of money left over for a good winger and other needed cover.
Personally, I expect Everton will accept a bid for JL at some point - the money is getting close to being too good to refuse. I would be surprised if Moyes isn’t actively scouting replacements as we speak (he has already said his priority is defensive cover, which seems odd given the clear need for wide players...).
I wouldn’t be suprised if JL has been asked to keep mum by Everton - i.e. we’ve told him we will agree to sell him but need him to stay quiet to drive up the price to a suitably ridiculous level before he ’agitates for a move’ and we ’reluctantly accept’.
Of course, that might be assigning a very optimistic level of cunning and savvy to Bill and co...
In terms of the Lescott (I will NEVER call him "JLo"... :shudder:) issue:
What we don’t know for sure is whether Moyes would be able to find good replacement(s) for JL for reasonable money, and impreve the squad elsewhere. We can’t have a situation where we make big bucks on JL but dramatically weaken the team because we can’t find a replacement of his quality soon enough and in budget. But it’s a bit hard to believe for £20m we can’t get a couple of very good defensive players with plenty of money left over for a good winger and other needed cover.
Personally, I expect Everton will accept a bid for JL at some point - the money is getting close to being too good to refuse. I would be surprised if Moyes isn’t actively scouting replacements as we speak (he has already said his priority is defensive cover, which seems odd given the clear need for wide players...).
I wouldn’t be suprised if JL has been asked to keep mum by Everton - i.e. we’ve told him we will agree to sell him but need him to stay quiet to drive up the price to a suitably ridiculous level before he ’agitates for a move’ and we ’reluctantly accept’.
Of course, that might be assigning a very optimistic level of cunning and savvy to Bill and co...
Yea good going Everton rejecting City for a second time!! they want Lescott, even more now that Terry said no, we are the ones holding the asset (JL) they are the buyers, let them come calling again and again until we feel its right for club to sell. JL is a massive player for us and id be more than happy to see us, a financial inferior club, continuing to build with what we have than to sell out! let them give us 25 mil, Jo and to pay his wages for the next five years then we might be in the mood to talk :)
Just to add, Moyes will be very lucky to get half of the money. Some will go on servicing our debt and the rest will be put aside for DK. As I have also said previously, I wouldn’t be surprised if the fee had already been agreed (20-22 mill) and this rejecting of bids is purely to appease our fans when it comes to selling one of our best players.
Brian - yes agree totally that the amount Moyes actually gets of a £20m fee is key (and that’s assuming it’s all upfront, which is uncertain). I almost mentioned that in my post - it severely impacts the extent to which the squad as a whole benefits (or suffers) from selling JL. I don’t mind selling JL at all as long as it pushes us towards the top 4 - which means the result for us has to be better than for City. Given they’ve got more money than sense and a very mediocre manager, that shouldn’t be too hard.
I’d be slightly surprised though if we’ve already agreed a fee with City, only because I don’t know if City would allow us this whole pretence of slowly racheting up their bids just to appease our fans..?
Having said that I do think it rather suspicious the ease with which Jo came back on loan for a season — I certainly wouldn’t be that surprised if there is some sort of ’gentlemen’s agreement’ about the whole thing.
I’d be slightly surprised though if we’ve already agreed a fee with City, only because I don’t know if City would allow us this whole pretence of slowly racheting up their bids just to appease our fans..?
Having said that I do think it rather suspicious the ease with which Jo came back on loan for a season — I certainly wouldn’t be that surprised if there is some sort of ’gentlemen’s agreement’ about the whole thing.
This has been going on long enough now. It's time Joleon Lescott took a leaf out of JT's book and let us all know what he wants.
If he doesn't want to go, great — because most of us fans want him to stay, and Moyes obviously does as well.
If he wants to go, then great, $18M please, Sparky. Then Mr Moyes can go and spend at will.
Joleon... we can't hear you!!!
Dave,
Since the game became professional its been money driven — on varying different scales... That is a fact. Pontificating about the ’good ole days’ is just daft... and referring to some ’supporters survey’ is just a matter of trying to validate your silly opinion that Lescott owes us something — by reference to other misguided fans. It’s irrelevant.
Lescott owes us nothing other than the remainder of his contract or a compensatory amount for breaking that contract... he is not a supporter — so stop expecting him to behave like one.
End of story.
Since the game became professional its been money driven — on varying different scales... That is a fact. Pontificating about the ’good ole days’ is just daft... and referring to some ’supporters survey’ is just a matter of trying to validate your silly opinion that Lescott owes us something — by reference to other misguided fans. It’s irrelevant.
Lescott owes us nothing other than the remainder of his contract or a compensatory amount for breaking that contract... he is not a supporter — so stop expecting him to behave like one.
End of story.
Brian Lawlor- Pie in the sky (in your opinion) I’m just repeating what’s "actually" been said while you seem to want to go along with conspiracy theories ie. the price has already been agreed etc etc.
Let's wait and see shall we?
Let's wait and see shall we?
Dave Robo - There used to be a bloke walking up and down outside Goodison Park with a sandwich board proclaiming "The End of The World is Nigh". That wasn’t you was it? Fuck me, if you were in prison you’d be on suicide watch.
If you’d seen Alan Ball transfered to Arsenal or Lineker go to Barca after scoring 40 goals in the only season he played for us you’d have something to moan about. Alan Ball was Everton. Get a grip. If you were around when those before mentioned events took place then you should be able to put this business with Lescott in perspective.
If you’d seen Alan Ball transfered to Arsenal or Lineker go to Barca after scoring 40 goals in the only season he played for us you’d have something to moan about. Alan Ball was Everton. Get a grip. If you were around when those before mentioned events took place then you should be able to put this business with Lescott in perspective.
Just to correct something that has been said several times here, Moyes did *not* say no-one would be sold. He said no-one would be sold without his approval.
Quote from OS: "And as part of the forum the manager was asked about speculation linking Manchester City with the signing of Joleon Lescott.
He replied: “I said there will be no players sold at Everton and I don’t feel I need to say any more.
He replied: “I said there will be no players sold at Everton and I don’t feel I need to say any more.
Further quote from Bill Kenwright: "You heard what he [Moyes] said and he said it right at the start of the summer - ’none of my players are going’ and I think all of this speculation doesn’t do anyone any favours," Kenwright told Sky Sports News.
"David Moyes, and only David Moyes I promise you, will make the decisions on the playing staff at this football club.
"He said, and he means it, nobody is for sale."
"David Moyes, and only David Moyes I promise you, will make the decisions on the playing staff at this football club.
"He said, and he means it, nobody is for sale."
...just to correct Jonathan Bradley.
In lieu of Lyndon’s poll questions, which alas seem to have died a death, here’s one for you: When did Everton become professional? No cheating, now: just give it your best shot.
When did Everton become pro? id say it was after the war my guess is... 1952 shhhhhhhhh don't mention the war!
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