That is really pathetic... but pretty typical for Liverpool fans. I would not normally publish something like this but I think in this case we can make an exception. Any chance you can put up the links for those interested in reading more?

Pathetic is right. Sorry to hear about that buddy.

This is the link to the website, with the link to the podcast that talks about why the show is coming off the air: http://www.worldsoccerdaily.com/

I’m gutted with the news that the show is going off air. It's one of the reasons that I have satellite radio. This was the only real English-style football talk show, as it was run by two British guys. Like Jamie, I didn’t agree with all the comments, but it was my daily fix for football in this country.

Michael Kenrick,

Respectfully I think your comments are disgraceful. It is not " typical" of Liverpool fans to behave this way at all. Morons happen to follow every club, including ours. Using the actions of a minority to get in a cheap dig at their fans, particularly in reference to Hillsborough, I think is beyond the pale.

I don’t know if you lost any loved ones at Hillsborough, but I can tell you that those who did would not condone these actions. This is my own, personal, view. And belief.

Simply leave it at the fact that a couple of kopites acted like twats. The actions of this few tarnishes the dignity which the 96 deserve. To say that this is "typical" behaviour of Liverpool fans is a provocative, insulting slur. I encourage you to retact it.

Kevin Hudson,

Respectfully, I could not give a shit for Liverpool FC, the club, the fans or anything to do with them. I hate them with an abiding passion.

They were to blame for Heysel and everything that followed, which for me was also entirely "typical" of the mindless twats. Until they accept blame, acknowledge responsibility and and show continuing humility for the blight that shameful incident placed on English football in general and Everton in particular, I have absolutely no time for them.

Sorry if that offends but, as you say, this is my own, personal, view. And belief.

Why go there though with this Hillsborough comment? If you’re going to go shouting shite out about HIllsborough and blaming the fans then I’m sorry, you deserve to be pulled off air. As much as you can go on about ’freedom of speech’ I don’t think people in a position to air their views should abuse it in this way.

Kevin - I think the term typical is used because our red friends have such a great record of being ’twats’ - as you put it. I take exception at the term ’a couple’ though. Here, how many do you count on this???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4I39yBW3FU&feature=related

Hillsborough is not a taboo subject, and to threaten people off air with the intimidation of death threats should not be condoned at all.

I was told by RS fans that the Heysel disaster was down to Chelsea fans. Unbelievable, those pricks, and it wasn’t thousands of police who crushed in at Hillsborough, it was ticketless drunken rs fans. The police should never have opened the gates. If they had not, there may have been deaths outside of the ground. Basically, I suppose you could put the onus on the fans who didn’t have tickets, Perhaps, if they have an enquiry, the whole truth of the matter will come out.

This is the main problem with Hillsborough.
Liverpool fans have made it a taboo subject.
I am in no way attempting to disrespect anyone who died in the disaster with this post.
But the bottom line is.
If only fans who had tickets turned up, then none of that would of happened on that sad day.
Michael is right. They do not take responsibillity for their actions.
Their own fans robbed each other in Athens for tickets.
But again they blamed the Greek authorities for that mess.
Heysel is another. The arrogant bastards even had a go at Juve fans because they would not accept an apology off them.
Wherever they go there is controvesy, like what happened in Bulgaria.
Shields may be innocent ( and i think he is ). But one of there shithouses dropped that brick on the lads head.
They also have rules bent for them. See champions league when they didn’t qualify.

No-one can defend the kind of behaviour that got the show shut down, nor would anyone in their right mind try to. But anyone on who feels they can group a bunch of disparate people who happen to support the same club - yes, even Liverpool - and label ’them’ as one homogenous mass, of the same mind and actions, just haven’t been paying attention to the vastly different opinions regularly espoused here on ToffeeWeb about our own club. Rivalry is one thing, blanket labeling is something else.

Sam.
The point of your post is ?
We are all individuals and all follow the same club.
Therefore "we", when we go the match.
Are part of a travelling support on behalf of the club.
It was ok for UEFA to blanket all english fans the same after heysel.
While kopites laughed their collective cocks off at us.
As i pointed uot in my previous post.
There is always someone else to blame when it comes to there misdemeanours.

Brilliantly put Dave Lynch. Your every word is right on the money. Same for Michael Kenrick’s views / opinions too. Very well put.

It’s always never their fault, what sticks in my throat is the way the media continually blindly supports them and ignores their so called ’misdemeanours’.

Not in any way surprised about the story of events in America. We recently saw with Gerrard just how far he can go and still get away with it. But as always it’s not their fault, it’s never their fault...

Too many people think Hillsborough is a taboo subject. Yes I would like to see some form of justice for the 96 innocent people who died, and yes the police and stewards that day were criminally negligent and to date have not been prosecuted… but not a single copper pushed that day.

What of the Heysel tragedy? Heysel was no accident. Although I believe that the authorities and UEFA were also criminally negligent (and to this date remain so in numerous other near misses by using unsafe arenas), this was a crime and not an accident. Where is the out pouring for justice from our lovely red friends to seek justice for what happened that day? Wonder why the Juve fans turned their backs on them…

If you study the footage and if you read all the accounts, hundreds if not thousands of reds were involved, criminally involved in the events that led to 39 innocent deaths, yet just a handful were prosecuted. How many involved sit on the kop to this day? How many who turned up without a ticket and pushed and shoved their way onto the Hillsborough terrace in 1989 are still their too? We are not supposed to talk about this though… just blame the police… 1985 and 1989 involving the same club is just a coincidence. Wasn’t another club from Merseyside involved in a major European final in ’85? How many died there?

Finally, the actual point of this thread is about violence and intimidation towards respected journalists in the USA. This is not to be condoned regardless of personal views as to what happened at Heysel and Hillsborough. Lest you agree drawing a cartoon of Allah should be punishable by death.

Kevin - and any other apologists for the continuing bad behaviour of the Liverpool FC supporters - what do you say to the children of the deceased Juve fans ?- dress it up any way you like - you know that was murder !

Just here , right now - just get it off your chest - you are all far beyond some belated consolation prosecution now - so you’ve got away with it.

In Athens strong policing stopped your fans killing each other - they just robbed each other - sad that the cops in Sheffield backed off and let your ’lunatic fringe’ kill again - this time some innocents from your own tribe rather than some equally innocent Italian fans.

Just say your sorry to the son of a friend of mine who did not come home to Italy from Heysel.

Please find the shred of decency that too few of your mates have managed.

Dave you are so right, nobody is allowed a view of what happened that sad day unless it is the one allowed view.

I remember those days well at Everton games as a youngster, pissed up fellas pushing, making the sound of cow's mooing whilst doing so. Leicester away, Barnsley away, every derby at Anfield and Goodison... it was horrendous. I used to sit on the crash barrier on the Kop during derby games when you got pushed off your feet and took five minutes to touch the floor.

No matter how bad the police and whoever behaved that day, a certain element of reds should have some form of guilt and I have asked this to a few close reds who agree; sadly most hide their guilt behind other people's mistakes.

What a stupid, mindless debate.

The feelings I have for the other side are completely seperate to any major football disasters. Commenting on this is pathetic. EFC rise above this kind of crap and to hear supporters and editors refer to football disasters in an EFC/LFC discussion is really sick.

Let's move on. It's simply not right to talk about.

RIP all those concerned — died following their passion.

Alan, despite our recent debates I am fully in support of your comment. Well done for speaking on behalf on the majority of EFC. I am proud of you and I actually care deeply for those LFC families who lost blood relations and friends in such horrible circumstances.

This is not a good debate gentlemne and some poor statements have been made — move on — PLEASE.

Suzy - why cant we discuss this? If you were an aviation fan, you wouldnt be able to discuss Lockerbie, TW800, Tenerife, Adam Air flight 574.. etc etc etc.. no progress would then be made in the industry.

People died... means we should discuss it more not less. Such blinkered views, Suzy. Second World War? Let’s just move on. Oh wait, wasn’t there Nuremburg? Those responsisble brought to justice?... Just because it’s a football disaster, and we have a rivalry with them, doesn’t negate the law.

After listening to the pod cast in question..I have to agree that something needed doing..but the decision to can the show entirely is extreme.

I have been going to watch Everton for 39 years....taken for the 1st 7 of those by my grandfather..a staunch red..incidently I was also taken to Anal field every other week as well..I have 3 younger brothers who are also reds..and did, like a lot of people from this city, lose a friend a hillsborough..a young man named Gary Church..
Because of this loss and my families leanings I have taken a particular interest in all programmes and publications concerning that day...

In no way were Liverpool fans to blame..It was a fuck up by South Yorshire police, who decided to police the event and react to large queues by start a virtual stampede into a blind alley....

But for the toss of a coin..it could have been me..and not my friend that died..

Now..I have no love for Liverpool football club..and find the majority of their fans to be obnoxious , ill informed ,glory chasing gobshites...Heysel..in which a large number of Juventus supporters died .was entirely down to a minority group of Liverpool fans...

The reaction of pretty much the whole of Anfield , who booed the juventus supporters for turning their backs, showed to me that they have no class as a club and no humility as people..

I dont know for sure the level of threats recieved by the presenters of the radio show in question..and as I said earlier I think they should have been removed but the show allowed to continue....

Its been proven..in court and in countless pulications and documentaries that the fans were not the ones at fault.....the "fans" who threatened the radio presenters..did unfortunately follow type of most (but not all) Liverpool fans I know..BUT to say

" Respectfully, I could not give a shit for Liverpool FC, the club, the fans or anything to do with them. I hate them with an abiding passion."

When discussing anything to do with the events of that terrible day.... is quite disgusting.

Well said Suzy and Alan. I actually cannot believe some of the shite that I have just read. Colin your post is the biggest load of bollocks I have read. Do you think that had it been Everton fans that day, they would have formed long lines of single file traffic, gleefully holding onto their bottles of Vimpto? It was a tragic set of circumstances that led to the loss of 96 fans' lives and there but for the Grace of God, eh? Fuck me, I bet you read the Sun as well. Just for the record, I am a life-long born and bred blue and I hate the red shite as well but FFS.

Glen Strachan, I’m an Everton fan, mate, (Park End season ticket holder), and in no way an apologist for the various despicable actions of Liverpool fans.

My original point is that I felt Michael Kenrick was acting in a similarly irresponsible way to Cohen and his cohorts. Cohen’s not an idiot: He knew full well he was stepping into a minefield, but ran with it, knowing full well the reaction it would provoke, the ratings it would generate, and the undoubted distress it would cause.

Equally, I think the "highly organised," manner in which the LFC supporters, backed at the official level by the club itself, no less, succeeded in getting this show canned, was a disgrace to democratic values. The lunatic fringe of Liverpool is despised by me, as much as anyone.

With democracy comes responsibility though; regardless of the fact that I’m a Blue, I’ve worked with victims of the Hillsborough disaster. Cohen’s entitlement to freely express ideas, though laudable, were deeply offensive to people who have carried themselves with dignity for so long. Likewise, these same people find the actions of the anti-Semitic hate-mongering that hounded this unfortunate man’s own family, completely intolerable.

I just didn’t like the way Kenrick wanted to tar ALL Liverpool supporters with the same brush; I thought it was bad taste. Using it to dredge up Heysel, another cheap shot. Yes, they behaved worse than animals — no argument. But that’s not what was being discussed!! I just find the breed of Evertonian’s who regurgitate these issues EVERY SINGLE time, risible.

Actions of the horrible minority do not neccesarily reflect those of the majority. Hope that makes my position clearer.

Barry - grace of god doesn’t do it for me. 96 people died. In 85, 39 were killed. I demand enquiries and reports and justice. For the grace of God? With that attitude, in 20 years time our kids wont be allowed to discuss disasters that happen in their time. Best not have anymore disasters is my thinking, so get your fucking head out the sand.

Joeynkoo my head isn’t in the sand and I have no problem discussing disasters on a reasonable and sensible level but to say Hillsborough was the fault of drunken ticketless Liverpool fans is aload of bollocks IMO. When I said, "There but for the Grace of God," I didn't mean, "Thank fuck it wasn't Everton fans," — I meant, had it been us who where drawn against Forest and not Norwich, I don’t see how Everton fans would have been any different that day.

Barry, criminal and insurable responsibility for Hillsborough lies with the police, fact. They simply reacted badly, or not at all in some cases. They continue to evade the law. However, the actual disaster was the result of a group of civilians causing a crush against another group of civilians. Though no intent, causality through law in this country explicitly includes those people who rushed the terraces, in the deaths that horrible day. But people like you and Suzy say lets just forget it. I can’t nor want to. Heysel was a crime, Hillsborough a failing, both demand criminal prosecution, for everyone involved.

Joeynkoo- I am not saying lets just forget about it, I am agreeing with Suzy that in my opinion there have been some poor statements made. By the way if Duckinfield had done his job competently that day he would have had the gate to the tunnel providing access to that central pen closed so those fans who streamed in could only have access to the half empty side pens. If Duckinfield had done his job competently he would have instructed his colleagues to allow more than 1 fucking ambulance on to the pitch and how many lives may then have been saved. You are correct, responsibility does lie with the South Yorkshire Police.

Just logged back in today to see the remarks.

I think we need to isolate THIS issue and not stir up the past.

This issue independent:
* a commentator made very inflammatory remarks regarding a very sensitive issue
* a fringe of LFC supporters began a campaign to undermine the show as they were offended to the commentator's remarks
* they succeeded in awful fashion: by contacting the two step-children of the commentator and threatening them. Read: FEAR.

That is not right at all and undermines free speech. And as an American I’ve had a fantastically great link to football on a daily basis taken away. We Americans really don’t have good links to football, never mind daily ones. So there is a void and I’m disappointed.

Listen, the host was a Chelsea fan — and I HATE that club. The co-host was a Rangers fan — my "second" team is Celtic and I have many, many good friends in the Celtic Supporters Club here and in Orlando. So it’s not like I was seeing eye to eye with the hosts. And yes, I was offended numerous times by some of the stuff they said — but good God, we’re all big people here!

I’m of the opinion that is was a very sad day for us IN AMERICA to have this show go away.

I’m frankly quite sad I’ve opened the conversation — but Michael I’m glad you put it out there because that’s what this forum is for.

Please forgive my American naivety. The topic is obviously far more sensitive to those of you hailing near and around Liverpool than I imagined.

I still believe that the people engaging in the effort to hurt World Soccer Daily had accomplished their goals in a fair and acceptable manner. Sponsors were pulled, many withdrew — they hurt the show financially and in the PR department.

But contacting the hosts' kids and forwarding death threats is just frankly going too far. Can’t we all agree with that? And that was my point. And I really despise the folks that did that.

I think, even though I have not contributed to this thread, the best thing to do is all agree to disagree and knock this one on the head.

Let's get back to moaning about all things Royal Blue eh?

Wow. You stay classy, Everton.

Barry, If that had been Everton supporters, the same thing would most likely have happened, and I would have been one of those pushing my way in. I did it in 1968 at Wembley, but the police stopped the crowd and managed to secure the gate we had broken. What I was trying to put over was that those fans were partly responsible for what happened; unfortunately, they would rather blame anybody but themselves.

Colin,
I understand and acknowledge what you are saying. With Heysel for example, if you want an Evertonian’s eye witness account of what happened in that section of the ground you can read it in Andy Nicholls book "Scally". He ends the Heysel chapter (9) by saying "That is a true account of what happened at Heysel. The truth hurts, but I am certain the outcome would have been the same had any other big English club been in Liverpool’s place that night. The only difference might be that those clubs would have accepted responsibility, and not, as in some cases, blamed everybody bar themselves"