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Sicknote Vaughan

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What a shame to see young James Vaughan has been returned to Goodison from Derby as the lad has picked up yet another injury. It's another knee injury but apparently it's a brand new injury and not related to his previous ones. According to Mick Rathbone, this is good news.

I've always like Vaughan, I remember his debut goal against Palace and, like most others, I had high hopes for the lad. Now, even though most of his injuries are unrelated, I think it's coming to the time when Everton are going to give up on this lad. I have never known a player to be so unlucky with injuries, for fuck's sake he even opened an artery in his foot away to Bolton!

These injuries have no doubt hampered his development and I for one think it's time for James to move on. I don't know if anyone would pay for the lad anymore but I would wish him all the best wherever he ends up.

A shame.
Franny Porter, London     Posted 08/10/2009 at 09:29:49

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Nick Entwistle
1   Posted 08/10/2009 at 15:02:01

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We should keep him. The reason is, when he does go a season without injury, his potential will come to fruition. Saha would still be at Utd now if he wasn’t injury prone and they gave up on him. We are now reaping the benefits. I say we should take that chance on Vaughan.
Jamie Rowland
2   Posted 08/10/2009 at 15:27:03

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The trouble is that we are carrying him and getting nothing in return.

We can’t afford to carry him in our financial position so perhaps it is time for him to move on.

I think that, as sad and harsh as it sounds, should we pressurise him into going, it may give him a kick up the back side.

Saha for example hasn’t had a lengthy spell out for us... perhaps his move from united (probably forced) was enough to make him want to prove his critics wrong? perhaps?

Personally i dont think he’s going to be a worldbeater and I was never sure what all the fuss was about — having said that, I am no footballing genius!
Dick Anderson
3   Posted 08/10/2009 at 15:36:46

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We have been carrying this player for too long.

There is no room in the squad for passengers.

This player has contributed nothing over the last four years.

Get rid I say.
Andrew Flanagan
4   Posted 08/10/2009 at 16:48:13

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Evertime I have seen James Vaugan play he has given 110%. I remember him running Chelsea ragged at Stamford bridge on the last day of the 06-07 were he scored.

Some of the injuries I have no doubt are the result of him being too enthusiastic and throwing himself about. However, I don’t think that is something you want to take away from a player.

I for one am saddened by people saying ’get rid’ as though he has been some massive embarrasment or burden on the club. He’s been unlucky and that’s about it. We should stick with him and show the rest of football that empathy, understanding and committment is still alive and kicking in our great football team at least!

John Martin
5   Posted 08/10/2009 at 17:26:45

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I’d really like Vaughan to be a success at Everton. But I just can't see him staying injury-free. The talent he once showed is becomming a distant memory... eventually, probably when his contract is up, he’ll be offloaded; such a shame.
Stefan Tosev
6   Posted 08/10/2009 at 18:30:45

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Great potential — pace, power, finishing, fearless — unfortunately his injuries are threatening to bring a curtain to a promising career. Unless of course you believe the rumour that Moyes gave him the “cold shoulder” as our insider and example of bright thinking Mr Marsh would have it.
Brian Williams
7   Posted 08/10/2009 at 19:48:59

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Dick Anderson
8   Posted 08/10/2009 at 21:55:41

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What annoys me is that players like Osman and Hibbert who have played hundreds of games for Everton and given 100% every single time get no credit from some fans.

While Vaughan, who has done almost nothing for Everton over the last four years gets continued support from the same fans.

It's crazy to me.
Stefan Tosev
9   Posted 08/10/2009 at 22:32:47

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Dick,

what do you suggest, to shoot him while he is down?
Gerard Harkin
10   Posted 08/10/2009 at 22:45:06

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Andrew, no harm to you but that post of yours is serioulsy flawed! "Every time you have seen Vaughan play...LAST DAY OF THE SEASON 06-07" — that's 3 years ago at the end of this season! I've seen Southall play well but that was 20 years ago and I wouldn’t want him on the team now...

Granted Vaughan is still young BUT he just isn’t up to the rigours of Premier League football. Oh, and as for keeping him and showing loyalty, his wages could go to paying for a player, and I must admit I'm out on a limb here, who would ACTUALLY play on a regular basis for our "great football team"!

People need to face facts, Vaughan’s Premier League career is over, as is Anichebe’s. With our resources, we do not have room for these two players. If we must keep them, put Vaughan on a Saha type contract, ie, pay-as-you-play and put Anichebe on a pay-as-you-score contract and that way we’ll all be happy!

We had people on here up to July asking for AvdM to be given another chance and saying he was really talented and gifted but the reality is, he was neither for our team in 4 years, the same must be said of Vaughan and Anichebe!

Anthony Millington
11   Posted 08/10/2009 at 22:58:59

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Gerard, if we get rid of Vaughan and Anichebe, we won’t get much for them, Jo will be going in the summer too and Saha won’t be staying for long with his injury problems and age... so that leaves us with Yakubu and not a lot of money to bring in others. I think we should stick with the young guns for now because they're not costing us much and if they fulfill their potential they will save Everton some precious money.
Gerard Harkin
12   Posted 08/10/2009 at 23:02:12

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Anthony, we can keep the two of them until they are 50, it won’t matter! We’ve had four years or so of them now and how many goals in the league would they have between them? 10?

In that same time, Agbonlahor has outshone most, he has undoubted quality and he is constantly on the pitch. It is irrelevant if the other forwards are soon to depart, these two will either be injured (a la Vaughan) or pants (a la Victor).

Geoff Edwards
13   Posted 08/10/2009 at 22:56:46

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Dick, in 2006-07, Vaughan had a run of games at the end of the season and he was excellent for us. He’s been really unfortunate with injuries and he’s a more talented player than Osman and Hibbert.

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Bernie Ashe
14   Posted 09/10/2009 at 00:04:45

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In Footie Manager I keep them both, but in the real world, I'd cash ’em in for A N Other.
Steven Pendleton
15   Posted 09/10/2009 at 01:42:07

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Dick, are you related to Osman and Hibbert is some way? Your appreciation of their limited ability seems to suggest so.
Ernie Baywood
16   Posted 09/10/2009 at 03:00:57

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I don’t half feel sorry for Vaughan — gutsy young lad with loads of ability but I’d be surprised if he ever became a regular anywhere now. You see plenty of players who just don’t seem to be well put together — I wonder if that first knee injury at an early age hampered his physical development? I mean, it’s not like he’s been rushed back from injury too soon or anything — he’s been given every chance to get himself right.

Sadly, we should now do what is best for Everton and move him on. Maybe we can give him plenty of notice and help him start to look at life after the club and for him it might well mean looking at life after football.
Dick Anderson
17   Posted 09/10/2009 at 08:21:38

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Steven Pendleton, It's not that I’m a great fan of Osman and Hibbert, I would just like to see them given a fair crack. They are limited players but they are always there giving 100%.

I would rather give support to players who have played hundreds of games for Everton. The type of players who will play a difficult European fixture in a different position but still give everything they have and do the job.

Vaughan on the other hand has made a dozen or so appearances over the last four years and done nothing to deserve the amount of support he gets. If Vaughan was 10 years older, he wouldn’t get this support.
Geoff Edwards
18   Posted 09/10/2009 at 08:30:21

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Dick, Vaughan always gives 100% too when he plays. The problem is he can’t stop getting injured. It’s nothing to do with his age, it’s to do with the fact that when he’s played for us he’s looked an excellent prospect who could develop into a really good player.

Osman and Hibbert have been given a fair crack and (as you said, they’ve played hundreds of games for Everton) and have shown they’re not quite good enough. They don’t deserve the abuse they get from some because they give their all but it doesn’t change the fact that they’re not good enough.
Dominic Bobadilla
19   Posted 09/10/2009 at 10:10:35

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I would keep him for another two years.
Andy Crooks
20   Posted 09/10/2009 at 10:03:51

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James Vaughan has suffered by being called off the bench late in the game. With no time to settle into the rhythm of a game, he has thrown himself about the pitch, trying to make a name for himself in ten minutes. Vic has suffered the same problem.

I believe that the way to give young players experience is to give them the first 45 minutes. The same goes for new signings. DM thinks it may take a year for Bily to settle in. It certainly will if he gets ten minutes a week to prove himself.

The Yak is another example. Six months to get fit? He needs to start games and come off early; otherwise, coming on for a final, frantic ten minutes will see him injured again.

Young players and new players need a run in the side, Leighton Baines is an example of how this can work... Unfortunately it seems that only injury to his favourites can force DM to give someone a chance. I wish he had more faith in the players he buys. Being a super-sub is no way to build a career.

Malcolm Evans
21   Posted 09/10/2009 at 10:52:18

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Andy - Gotta disagree with you here. All young players start their careers by coming off the bench with 10 -15 mins to go. It's how it works, getting them used to playing against the pros. It's how Rooney started I seem to remember. Then if they have what it takes they eventually begin to start matches.

Problem with Vaughan is he constantly gets injured so never really gets to the stage where he's gonna become a regular starter for us. What we gonna do, drop the Yak or Saha to start Vaughan? Don't think so!
Whereas Anichebe just isn't up to standard in my opinion. And as for Bily, he played his first few matches as sub but has made quite a few starts now, certainly not just last 10 mins every game.

Mike Dillon
22   Posted 09/10/2009 at 11:35:08

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Personally, I think he’s worth keeping, but his wage must reflect how much he gives to the team.

If he’s injured constantly (as always seems to be the case) then he should be paid a relative pittance. That way he’s not much of a drain on our resources, and we still get to keep a handy (when fit) player.

Again, I also see comparisons with Saha.
Anthony Millington
23   Posted 09/10/2009 at 12:25:38

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Gerad, I understand what you are saying but they are only 21 ffs, how many 21-year-olds in the Premier League have scored lots of goals for their clubs? Not many... Agbonlahor and Rooney.

There aren’t many young strikers in England that look as promising as Vaughan and debatably Anichebe and everyone is saying get rid because they will get injured again, but what if they did come good? They are only 21 and would have a long footballing career ahead of them. Can Everton afford to take the risk of getting rid of them for next to nothing at the moment?

Some people seem to be forgetting just how old these lads were when they made their debuts for Everton, whereas other teams don’t start bringing players into the first team until they are 20 or 21.

Brian Waring
24   Posted 09/10/2009 at 15:03:27

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The biggest problem I think Anthony, is that he is getting all these injuries at a young age, the lad’s knees, ankles etc are fucked even before his career has started.
Fran Mitchell
25   Posted 09/10/2009 at 16:50:22

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He isn't good enough any more. I loved him a few years ago, at 17/18 he looked unbelievable. He is now 21, and he doesn't look like he will ever develop.

Everton are aiming to finish 4th, that should be the target of this club. Pleyers like Vaughan will not take us to 4th.

He’s 21... look at Fellaini, same age but big difference in ability.

People say he looks like he could be world class? Really? Do yo honestly think that. Benzama is 21 and is a world class young striker. Do you honestly place these two in the same category. It's a shame, maybe he needs a new club to kick start his career, maybe we could sell him with a buy-back option just in case.

But he hasn't done anything for 3 years, and what he did 3 years ago, whilst exciting was not enough to win a 5-year contract, and is not enough to keep hold of him.
Anthony Millington
26   Posted 09/10/2009 at 18:26:26

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I’m just really annoyed how you can more or less go through our whole team and nearly everyone has at some time had a really serious injury and operations and teams like Liverpool get next to nothing.

Fran I’m not saying Vaughan is as good as Benzema, I’m saying he’s more promising than most other teams' strikers his age in my opinion, because he’s got the attributes of an all round striker, pace, strength, work rate but will he get goals? We won’t know until he plays...

When he’s been fit, he hasn’t been given a chance, because people like Jo come on instead who are awful in some games. It’s a really saddening situation, all kicked off by that first injury picked up on international duty. I’m keeping my fingers crossed.

Brian Williams
27   Posted 09/10/2009 at 18:49:25

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I apologise if my post was deemed abusive!

Maybe I should have said that I was/am disgusted with some of the posters referring to James as a "passenger" and that we should "get rid"....

I hope neither of the posters in question ever get injured in the process of doing their job, only for their respective employer to "bin them".
Dick Anderson
28   Posted 09/10/2009 at 19:34:02

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Vaughan was probably the best 16/17-year-old around. But young players need experience to develop their game Unfortunately, Vaughan has never been able gain that development because of his age. He’s gone from an outstanding 16/17-year-old to a very average 20/21-year-old.

His development has been stunted and many other young players have overtaken him. Even at Everton he’s got Baxter and Agard about to pass him.
Jason Heng
29   Posted 11/10/2009 at 08:25:05

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Interesting to see people getting upset when players show no loyalty to the club, but have no qualms urging the club to show no loyalty to the player.

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