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I’ve just seen our starting line up, no Baines! Is he injured, not on bench...
* 24 Howard
* 02 Hibbert
* 15 Distin
* 31 Coleman
* 07 Bilyaletdinov
* 17 Cahill
* 19 Gosling
* 25 Fellaini
* 26 Rodwell
* 11 Jo
* 22 Yakubu
Substitutes
* 01 Nash,
* 34 Shane Duffy,
* 38 Wallace,
* 39 Akpan,
* 08 Saha,
* 35 Agard,
* 37 Baxter
Am I right in thinking, if you take out Saha, the rest of the bench has 4 appearences for Everton between them, all sub appearances, and 3 of them are for Baxter!!!
Lee Smith, Posted 22/10/2009 at 14:57:06
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Its great to see Coleman in the team after his injuries. Has anyone got a good link for the game?
Hopefully this link will work nicely for the game..
http://iraqgoals.net/ch1.html
A massive ask for Gosling, Hibbo and Coleman today against the slick South American flair inspired Benfica tonight....COYB!!!
http://iraqgoals.net/ch1.html
A massive ask for Gosling, Hibbo and Coleman today against the slick South American flair inspired Benfica tonight....COYB!!!
So 4-5-1 with Bily and Jo left side of the field and Coleman and Gosling on right?
http://www.videolivestreaming.co.uk/channel1.php
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4ab086963f27c
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4ab086963f27c
No Yobo, no Osman.. Injured? Who has the armband?
shit.
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coleman caught out a little
Long day ahead
could be a battering today - look at our bench ha ha!
Steven, looks like Cahill’s captain for the night
I think we’re doing okay considering we have Jo on the pitch. Final ball lacking quality but I can see us scoring.
Difficult now we’re 1-0 down, and I’m a bit worried about our full backs as Benfica look quick on the wings, but I reckon Rodwell and Billy will get us back into it.
Jo needs to practice his crossing.....woeful.
Jo needs to practice his crossing.....woeful.
I think jo needs to practice his everything!
Getting killed down the left, but other than that its not going too bad..
Bloody hell, that was a shocking tackle by Gosling! Could have broke the guys leg!!!
I’m watching this on the internet with American commentators, they’re killing me!
I’d have sent Gosling off for that tackle.
I’d have sent Gosling off for that tackle.
Great effort from Billy.
Robbie Mustoe is on ESPN, forgot all about him
Real learning experience for the lads tonight
and Gosling needs to learn how to tackle
Real learning experience for the lads tonight
and Gosling needs to learn how to tackle
Jim, are you watching the Gol TV stream with the two American commentators? It’s bloody hilarious!
any working links guys?
The 2 American commentators are fantastic, this has got draw written all over it!!
Here’s hoping....
Here’s hoping....
Yes Lee! Every time matey boy says Distin’s name it’s comical.
This ESPN commentator (who is he?) is either fawning over how good Benfica are or telling us that we’ve got problems. He does anything but commentate on the game. His deputy is not bad though.
Considering our makeshift defence I reckon we’re doing alright. We will score at some point. COYB
Considering our makeshift defence I reckon we’re doing alright. We will score at some point. COYB
http://www.iraqgoals.net/ch1.html
clear as a whistle
clear as a whistle
Oh bless those Yanks....."You’re watching the Europa League, it used to be called the Euro Cup"....... did it indeed!
For gods sake Jo!
Distin has been World Class this half, top defending
For those watching online, did you hear the yanks talk about all the Everton fans taking the "Road Trip" down for the game !!??
What are these guys on !
What are these guys on !
Frustrating first half, Gosling lucky to still be on, Jo incredibly irritating, Billy hit-and-miss. Could be worse.
Distin and Hibbo looking fairly solid.
A goal would be great, just to see how Benfica respond.
Keep it up lads, COYB!
Distin and Hibbo looking fairly solid.
A goal would be great, just to see how Benfica respond.
Keep it up lads, COYB!
That Yank keeps calling him FELLA-AY- KNEE - and he can’t understand why Everton fans question his ability
Ha Ha, at one point in the game, Distin was chasing down their winger, and the commentator said "woahh, we have a foot race on here...." ha ha
Nicely summed up Michael Upton...
Reckon this could be another BATE!! Staying positive-for now!!lol
This is a great link lads, commentators a bonus!!
http://www.tvgente.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=156&Itemid=151&lang=en
Reckon this could be another BATE!! Staying positive-for now!!lol
This is a great link lads, commentators a bonus!!
http://www.tvgente.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=156&Itemid=151&lang=en
What does that mean?....Are they normally on bikes!!!
I wish our proposed new stadium was something along the lines of the Benfica one, it’s awesome.
I hope that in the weekly Hibbert bash-fest, this game at least dismisses forever the idea that Gosling is a potential first-time right back. I actually like him a lot as a midfielder, but today he’s been totally exposed, outrun, outflanked and outsmarted. He doesn’t have the pace or the positional instincts for right back.
Unfortunately, young Mr. Coleman is also totally in over his head today... hope this doesn’t damage his confidence, since it’s certainly no shame to be beaten by Saviola.
Here’s to Bily, Distin and the Big Fella for showing their class and keeping us in it today.
And on behalf of the USA, my apologies to the UK viewers for the commentary. If you think these guys are bad, you should hear what we have to endure on the MLS games, not to mention Fox Soccer Channel. I just usually mute the sound and watch it in blissful pantomime.
Unfortunately, young Mr. Coleman is also totally in over his head today... hope this doesn’t damage his confidence, since it’s certainly no shame to be beaten by Saviola.
Here’s to Bily, Distin and the Big Fella for showing their class and keeping us in it today.
And on behalf of the USA, my apologies to the UK viewers for the commentary. If you think these guys are bad, you should hear what we have to endure on the MLS games, not to mention Fox Soccer Channel. I just usually mute the sound and watch it in blissful pantomime.
I’m still holding out we can snatch a point here even with sucha makeshift side. But either way we will win this group. We’ll win all three games left and top the group thats for certain.
Sorry, meant "first-TEAM right back."
Sorry Mike, I don’t mean to take the piss mate. It’s just that some of the stuff that they have been coming out with is exactly the same as on Boston Goals on Soccer Am. Have a gander on YouTube if you have never seen it.
PEE KAYYYYYYY
PEE KAYYYYYYY
Mike, these two are class!!
fuck. all over
Fuck sake Felliani!¬!!!!
what was fella at???
jesus fucking christ.......
Shite.
Our RBs are god awful
3 identical goals - are we incapable of adjusting?
we’re really struggling at left and right back. Missing Baines and a centre-half.
Fellaini what the fuck was he doing
Total disaster. Coleman again a front-row spectator watching Cardoso on #2, and then Gosling again hopelessly outpaced on #3 and Cardoso alone again in front, easily separating himself from Distin and no closing from Coleman. What a nightmare debut for the kid.
FFS
this just getting fucking silly now. it’s all fucking Osman’s fault.
Cant we defend corners this season ?
This will end up about 7 or 8 now
This will end up about 7 or 8 now
Fucking Hell
Think i might go to bed
Think i might go to bed
Next time we waste 15 million pound on a central midfielder. I hope we sign somebody that can control a game. In situations like this we needed players to stand up and be counted
And #4. Luisao totally unmarked, as he was at the start. And nearly #5. Total defensive collapse.
I am still yet to see what some of you see in Fellaini. He just fucking strolls round the pitch, as if he is on a Sunday stroll.
We need to splash the cash on this Angel Di Maria bloke. He is unstoppable tonight! Should have spent the money on him instead of Billy!
If they get ten do Benfica get a set of steak knives?
I am not sure why the critcism is being levelled at Fellaini. Its our LB & RB that have been at fault for most of the goals. Gosling has been shocking, and Coleman certain not much better.
A couple of weeks ago there was a debate on here as to whether Seamus Coleman was better then Tony Hibbert.
Well now we have our answer.
NO HE’S MOST CERTAINLY NOT.
Coleman (and Gosling) is completely out of his depth. Just hope this doesn’t damage his development too much.
Still can’t blame him too much. Its the senior players like Cahill who are letting us down.
Cahill one of the top players in Europe? Don’t make me laugh.
Well now we have our answer.
NO HE’S MOST CERTAINLY NOT.
Coleman (and Gosling) is completely out of his depth. Just hope this doesn’t damage his development too much.
Still can’t blame him too much. Its the senior players like Cahill who are letting us down.
Cahill one of the top players in Europe? Don’t make me laugh.
Well it’s a shit night but we are missing a lot of players. On a tighter pitch at Goodison I’d say we’ll give them a game...... I worry about the goal difference now though.
aaahahahaaha. So now we’re going to just blame Fellaini for everything. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic. What the hell did any of you expect to happen with the team that we had to put out tonight. FFS we have a completely makeshift defense with two teenagers. And Fellaini was miraculously supposed to hold this all together, not give away a single ball. Every player gives a ball away, Fabregas, Alonso, all of them. The difference is that they have strong players around them that can cover up their occasional mistakes. But I’m sure some of you will just come out with "they’re all professional footballers, they should be able to do a job, blah blah blah". Well there’s a reason why Arteta, Jagielka, Pienaar, Neville, Yobo, Osman, Baines are all first choice, THEY’RE BETTER.
Yep, don’t forget its 11-11, problem is we’re just fuckin shite...
Gosling has been woeful, but in fairness he has had less help than when Ossie is playing. Cahill has been invisible.
WTF is that substitution?? Why take Bily off when Cahill is awol???? Another Moyes special!!
Well, congrats Moyes, take off our ONLY creative midfielder who needs time to adjust to this team....I fuckin despair sometimes...
Cant beleive that sub. Unbeleivable in fact.
The midfield has been woeful this half.
Both Gosling and Coleman deserve more support and cover
Felli should be stamping his authority in games like this.
How anyone would spend 15m on him or 18m on Jo is incredible
benfica have been too good, much too good
Both Gosling and Coleman deserve more support and cover
Felli should be stamping his authority in games like this.
How anyone would spend 15m on him or 18m on Jo is incredible
benfica have been too good, much too good
Jeez... we’re shite.
Bily injured according to BBC. That’s why he’s been subbed.
Stephen and James, I see you’re both choosing to ignore the fact that Billy looked to be struggling with a possible injury before he went off. Unless, of course, you’d rather a partially-injured player was run into the ground in a match we’ve already lost, and when we’ve already got an injury crisis.
I can only think the sub is with one eye on Bolton. Wish i could take both eyes off this.
Christ - Benfica would score 20 past Liverpool with their two injuries.
The sooner everyone says fuck it like I did at goal three the better. Quit complaining and watch for who actually still plays in this situation. Rodwell still looks composed for example. If I wasn’t at work I’d have had a few by now too.
David, I don’t blame Fellaini for the goal. What I blame him for is being shite. We are always being told that he is top quality, why then do we never see it. While obviously he can’t run the game on his own, a little bit of effort wouldn’t have gone amiss, just to show he was actually interested.
At least Jo’s still on
Well my half-time summing up went quickly to pop didn’t it?
What a disaster. I pity the poor souls who’ve gone all the way to Lisbon.
Poor defending for all four goals but not helping ourselves all round by constantly giving the ball away. Where’s the fight?
Coleman way out his depth, midfield anonymous - I’m not anti-Felli but he and Cahill have produced sod all all night - and what exactly does Jo offer?
And that ESPN bloke talking about turnovers is not helping.
Looking on the (relative) bright side, we should still make it through the group and here’s hoping we can make it to full time without any more punishment in either goals or injuries.
What a disaster. I pity the poor souls who’ve gone all the way to Lisbon.
Poor defending for all four goals but not helping ourselves all round by constantly giving the ball away. Where’s the fight?
Coleman way out his depth, midfield anonymous - I’m not anti-Felli but he and Cahill have produced sod all all night - and what exactly does Jo offer?
And that ESPN bloke talking about turnovers is not helping.
Looking on the (relative) bright side, we should still make it through the group and here’s hoping we can make it to full time without any more punishment in either goals or injuries.
Richard - I missed that.
I want the match at Goodison to be like tomorrow!! Want revenge for this sharpish.
I think Fellaini’s done his job tonight except for the one mistake. He and Bily were the best we had before Bily got hurt. Cahill, Rodwell and Yak never showed up, and Jo has been a disaster. His giveaway just stranded Coleman and Cardoso almost got another. Worst I’ve ever seen Jo.
Calm down. Billy was injured thats why he came off. Why risk another injury in a game thats over. Take him off and protect him for Sunday I say.
Saha came on because Moyes didn’t want to throw a youngster into this humiliation.
Here comes pot-head Baxter though. A player who knows all about being humiliated.
Saha came on because Moyes didn’t want to throw a youngster into this humiliation.
Here comes pot-head Baxter though. A player who knows all about being humiliated.
Hahahaha, you are fucking joking Mike? Fellaini has knocked the odd ball sideways and err, that’s it.
Basics - we’re not closing down!
What game are you watching Mike? Jo actually looked half decent in the first half and held the ball up and opened chances for others... Rodwell was moving the ball forward and hardly gave up possession.
THE ONE PLUS POINT OF TONIGHT - we aren’t on terrestrial telly like we are when we usually get snotted.
They got their tactics right but we’d batter them with our first team. They are nothing special.
They got their tactics right but we’d batter them with our first team. They are nothing special.
At least he’s passing it to his own guys, Brian. That’s more than you can say for Jo, Cahill, Yak or the kids.
Screw it, I’m going to bed too. And it’s only 11:30 in the morning here, and I’m at work. So that’ll tell you how I’m feeling.
Screw it, I’m going to bed too. And it’s only 11:30 in the morning here, and I’m at work. So that’ll tell you how I’m feeling.
I wont be blaming a kid making his debut out of position. Cahill, Fellaini & Jo have all been poor. Knwing the state of our defence through injuries i’d expect more protection from midfield and they have had none
Im so disinterested im on here during the match..
Poor choice of starting personnel from Moyes..he’d rather play his established players than the right players...I mean Cahill on the right wing? and Jo starting?
Give me a break.
The entire midfield has been poor...misplacing passes an failing to close down or find space..let alon giving the ball away on the edge of our own box (well done Fellaini)...Billy was the only one showing a bit of worth....
and the full backs have been atrocious...Coleman was marking empty space for the first 3 goals...allowing the scorers to drift past him on either side...he looks good offensively but defensively he’s clueless..and isn’t he a right back anyway...whats the hells he doing on the left.. Gosling has been shown to be paceless and positionally poor..
Poor, poor ...poor, poor..
Poor choice of starting personnel from Moyes..he’d rather play his established players than the right players...I mean Cahill on the right wing? and Jo starting?
Give me a break.
The entire midfield has been poor...misplacing passes an failing to close down or find space..let alon giving the ball away on the edge of our own box (well done Fellaini)...Billy was the only one showing a bit of worth....
and the full backs have been atrocious...Coleman was marking empty space for the first 3 goals...allowing the scorers to drift past him on either side...he looks good offensively but defensively he’s clueless..and isn’t he a right back anyway...whats the hells he doing on the left.. Gosling has been shown to be paceless and positionally poor..
Poor, poor ...poor, poor..
Loving that di Maria lad, always used to get him on FM, class in real life too!!
Ps I’m smashing the beers here..lol
Ps I’m smashing the beers here..lol
Oh and Benfica aren’t that good.
Unlucky Saha :(
"Screw it, I’m going to bed too. And it’s only 11:30 in the morning here, and I’m at work."
Thanks for putting a smile back on my face Mike !
Thanks for putting a smile back on my face Mike !
Agreed - Our first team would beat Benfica no question...just wish we’d had them all.
At a boy James thats what I have planned for the lunch break
Maybe you’re watching more closely than I am, Joey. Maybe you’ve seen Jo make one good pass today. Just one. Holding the ball is great, but then you have to do something with it.
John, I’m not blaming Coleman. He was dealt an impossible hand in a tough situation.
John, I’m not blaming Coleman. He was dealt an impossible hand in a tough situation.
Fellini and Cahill have been missing all night
the needed to put in real shifts and its gone totally tits up
utter shite
the needed to put in real shifts and its gone totally tits up
utter shite
Oh and Cahill...not sure what to say about him recently.
Just out of curiosity Ciaran, who would you have started with?
Hah Hibbert into the stands!
Also anyone know whats wrong with Cahill? Been pretty poor this season tbh, to be fair he has been played deeper than usual, but has missed chances where he’d usually score...
Jose Baxter...man of the match so far for us i say
I reckon we can still snatch a point here.
Same goal again.
If we are bashing Distin has looked pretty poor himself. Looked almost like Lescott vs Arsenal.
What the hell happened there?????
Hibbo, you tool!!!!!!
Hibbo, you tool!!!!!!
The kids are way out of their depth. You can’t blame them too much but surely they have to be better then this humiliation?
5-0!!!!
I’d put Coleman, Baxter and Gosling in the reserves and not bother them for a year.
In fairness to Fellaini he’s only 22. Still a youngster himself really.
Its the senior players, Cahill, Distin, Yakubu and Jo who want the critism for this embarassment.
5-0!!!!
I’d put Coleman, Baxter and Gosling in the reserves and not bother them for a year.
In fairness to Fellaini he’s only 22. Still a youngster himself really.
Its the senior players, Cahill, Distin, Yakubu and Jo who want the critism for this embarassment.
My pleasure, Lee.
Nick just put a smile on mine with his snatch-a-point comment.
Nick just put a smile on mine with his snatch-a-point comment.
They can do it route one, too, then. Good preparation for the Reebok. Dismal.
At least when we get beat we get beat properly.
Be it transfer cock ups, humbling defeats or takeover talks, when we screw up we don’t do it in half measures.
Be it transfer cock ups, humbling defeats or takeover talks, when we screw up we don’t do it in half measures.
Dick, jo is 22 too.
Imagine if we had a real injury crisis like that lot across the park. Then we might really have struggled.
Dick, Felli is a a kid at 22 whilst Jo is a senior player at 22.
Please explain
Please explain
Right Nick we are real good at losing. No one can say aw Everton they had a bit of a loss. We earned the defeat and no one can argue that. Bring on goal six!
lol lol lol!!
’Loius Saha with the bicycle kick-the chains broken’ Pure quality!!
’Loius Saha with the bicycle kick-the chains broken’ Pure quality!!
we will batter these @ Goodison
After this performance I reckon we could get a European cup................ if we break into the Benfica trophy cabinet on the way out of the stadium.
Re Joey, just pissed myself at ’we’ve earned this defeat!’ Class!!
The most expensive player we have ever had at our great club is Jo - £19M. Madness.
Leon Osman must be worth £40M.
Leon Osman must be worth £40M.
Someone get me a beer, I cant take my eyes of this!!!
Steve Pugh
Easy.
Fellaini is a permanent Everton player and I’ll cut him some slack.
Jo is a loan player who we will hopefully send packing soon. So he gets no slack.
Easy.
Fellaini is a permanent Everton player and I’ll cut him some slack.
Jo is a loan player who we will hopefully send packing soon. So he gets no slack.
what the fuck has their age got to do with not being able to pass a ball, find space or tackle....you’d think they were under 10’s to hear you lot...
And steve pugh.... who i would’ve started with is irrelevant - the fact us that despite our injuries Moyes had options to play players in their proper positions...
As for Jo...I wouldn’t have him in my pub team...
And steve pugh.... who i would’ve started with is irrelevant - the fact us that despite our injuries Moyes had options to play players in their proper positions...
As for Jo...I wouldn’t have him in my pub team...
Let’s be fair, if you have a back four of Hibbert Distin Coleman and Gosling at Benfica you’re probably going to be on a hiding to nothing. I’d rather have the first XI fit for the return.
A well earned point. Praise must go to Gosling.
Benfica have given the Everton board 5 reasons why this chapter of our history should have ended after the FA Cup...
I note Steve Gibson @ Middlesbrough showed he had ball ;)
I note Steve Gibson @ Middlesbrough showed he had ball ;)
ANOTHER SINGLE POSITIVE! If this was a two legged game we would be out after that, thankfully we are still in this tournamant and i want more than anything to batter them at Goodison.
Ciaran, who’s your left back then? Thought Coleman was a RB?
True, Michael, but I think you’re dreaming. We’ll be lucky to have the first XI fit for Christmas.
Come on Ciarán just answer the question for a change rather that deflecting the question. I know you are cheesed off the same as the rest of us but If you are now saying Moyes had a chance to play players in their proper positions then name us that back four that could have played in their proper position.
I’ve no idea what id have done about the back line...I still waiting to hear where the Baines and Neill are...
I tell you wha I wouldnt have done if Id have been forced to play coleman in left back. and Gosling on the right..played a four man midfield...
Although I have to admit to being wrong about Gosling in right back after the AEK game...I thought he did well in that game..obviously a one off..
so for me, it would ave been a five man midfield with saha up front...and baxter on the right, and Cahill playing the only role he can behind Saha.
I tell you wha I wouldnt have done if Id have been forced to play coleman in left back. and Gosling on the right..played a four man midfield...
Although I have to admit to being wrong about Gosling in right back after the AEK game...I thought he did well in that game..obviously a one off..
so for me, it would ave been a five man midfield with saha up front...and baxter on the right, and Cahill playing the only role he can behind Saha.
Two points.
1. OK it was a weak side but apart from Coleman they were all familiar faces.
2. Lets wait a year before we question if Seasmus Coleman should be in the first team again.
3. The Invisible Man really lived up to his name. Cahill was abysmal.
4. Jo is pants. Send him packing.
5. Yakubu looks unfit even for a guy with his injury. Seriously he doesn’t look like he’s improved at all since he returned months ago.
6. Hibbert at Centre Back, useless Coleman and Gosling on the flanks. Poor old Distin had a tough night.
7. This was humiliation. Just like the Arsenal game.
8. We have to play them again in a fortnight. Tough games to come, Bolton (a) and Spurs (a), and then face Benfica again in two weeks. Scary.
1. OK it was a weak side but apart from Coleman they were all familiar faces.
2. Lets wait a year before we question if Seasmus Coleman should be in the first team again.
3. The Invisible Man really lived up to his name. Cahill was abysmal.
4. Jo is pants. Send him packing.
5. Yakubu looks unfit even for a guy with his injury. Seriously he doesn’t look like he’s improved at all since he returned months ago.
6. Hibbert at Centre Back, useless Coleman and Gosling on the flanks. Poor old Distin had a tough night.
7. This was humiliation. Just like the Arsenal game.
8. We have to play them again in a fortnight. Tough games to come, Bolton (a) and Spurs (a), and then face Benfica again in two weeks. Scary.
Cheers for answering Ciarán
Maybe we’ll not the whole first team back soon but this many injuries cannot happen that often - a few extra bodies would be nice.
I’ve spent the whole season waiting for Mikey to come back but at this rate he’ll have no-one to play with.
If only we’d kept hold of Lescott, eh?
I’ve spent the whole season waiting for Mikey to come back but at this rate he’ll have no-one to play with.
If only we’d kept hold of Lescott, eh?
“the fact us that despite our injuries Moyes had options to play players in their proper positions...”
Ridiculous and idiotic statement, the options were:
• 01 Nash,
* 34 Shane Duffy,
* 38 Wallace,
* 39 Akpan,
* 08 Saha,
* 35 Agard,
* 37 Baxter
No left back here and Coleman plays left as well as right back, so he was the only option as a left back, there is no right midfielder as well, Wallace is central, Baxter is attacking midfielder/striker, Agard and Akpans are strikers too.
Something more, today’s game showed that the reason why Hibbert is in front of the pecking order at right back is because at this stage he is much, much, much better option than Coleman and Gosling. And while Cahill was awful today no amount of all the smart arses here will convince me that had we played Baxter on the right instead of Cahill we would have won.
Ridiculous and idiotic statement, the options were:
• 01 Nash,
* 34 Shane Duffy,
* 38 Wallace,
* 39 Akpan,
* 08 Saha,
* 35 Agard,
* 37 Baxter
No left back here and Coleman plays left as well as right back, so he was the only option as a left back, there is no right midfielder as well, Wallace is central, Baxter is attacking midfielder/striker, Agard and Akpans are strikers too.
Something more, today’s game showed that the reason why Hibbert is in front of the pecking order at right back is because at this stage he is much, much, much better option than Coleman and Gosling. And while Cahill was awful today no amount of all the smart arses here will convince me that had we played Baxter on the right instead of Cahill we would have won.
That was fucking shit.
I’m very very hacked off at Carling now.
If Owen Coyle can score up front, why didn’t Moysie pick himself at centre-half with Hibbo at right back?
Only kiddin - before you all go after me
Only kiddin - before you all go after me
Well said Sam Higgins.
Ciarán,
You are NOT disinterested, you might be uninterested. We expect better from you!
btw, I think your team would have held up the defence far better than the team fielded. Cahill didn’t know what to do, in fact he looked like a spare prick in a brothel. Tim Howard would’ve done better than him in midfield! Perhaps we just don’t know how to play 4 men in the middle.
btw^2 Where is the logic: 4-5-1 against Wolves, a team just promoted from the Championship, and who will likely be fighting to stay in the EPL; 4-4-2 against a team like Benfica? Can some expert in tactics explain that idea to me?
You are NOT disinterested, you might be uninterested. We expect better from you!
btw, I think your team would have held up the defence far better than the team fielded. Cahill didn’t know what to do, in fact he looked like a spare prick in a brothel. Tim Howard would’ve done better than him in midfield! Perhaps we just don’t know how to play 4 men in the middle.
btw^2 Where is the logic: 4-5-1 against Wolves, a team just promoted from the Championship, and who will likely be fighting to stay in the EPL; 4-4-2 against a team like Benfica? Can some expert in tactics explain that idea to me?
Stefan, I think the point being made, is that with Baxter on the right, Cahill could have played behind either Jo or the yak, thats where he is more dangerous, not stuck on the right hand side of midfield.
Stefan,
If your not convinced that Baxter would have been an improvement on Cahill on the right - then I would suggest you didn’t watch the game..
A cardboard cut out would have been an improvement - at least it wouldnt have given away needless possession and fouls..How’s that for smart arse?
If your not convinced that Baxter would have been an improvement on Cahill on the right - then I would suggest you didn’t watch the game..
A cardboard cut out would have been an improvement - at least it wouldnt have given away needless possession and fouls..How’s that for smart arse?
We got roasted because lots of our key players were missing. Its not Colemans fault he cant play left back he is not ready for the 1st team but injuries meant we were short of options. I still beleive we will win all our remaining games. The problem on here and i include myself we are all knee jerk in our reactions as football is an emotional sport to follow. Hibbert plays crap and he’s the worst ever say some, he plays well against poor opposition and he’s silenced the doubters, The truth in so many of our players lies somewhere in the middle of all the praise and roastings they get. Supporting Everton is a rollercoaster
Coleman - Distin - Hibbert - Gosling
That back line meant 3 players were out of position. Two of them were youngsters out of position and one of them was making a debut out of position.
In hindsight it would have made more sense to play a backline of:-
Bidwell - Distin - Duffy - Hibbert
At least that way you would have had Hibbert and Distin in their normal positions.
Ok you would still have two untested youngsters in the side but at least Bidwell and Duffy would be making debuts in their proper positions.
And lets face it Bidwell and Duffy couldn’t have been any worse then Coleman and Gosling were tonight.
Still that hindsight and I can understand why Moyes went with the back line he did.
That back line meant 3 players were out of position. Two of them were youngsters out of position and one of them was making a debut out of position.
In hindsight it would have made more sense to play a backline of:-
Bidwell - Distin - Duffy - Hibbert
At least that way you would have had Hibbert and Distin in their normal positions.
Ok you would still have two untested youngsters in the side but at least Bidwell and Duffy would be making debuts in their proper positions.
And lets face it Bidwell and Duffy couldn’t have been any worse then Coleman and Gosling were tonight.
Still that hindsight and I can understand why Moyes went with the back line he did.
See I thought we had all laughed it off and now everyones at each others throats. Too bad. If no ones back for Bolton I fear 2 more injiures and a similar loss.
Ciaran, Neill isn’t eligible because he was signed too late and Bainesy picked up a late injury.
As for your response to my original question, what you were saying is that you couldn’t do any better but you’re going to slag the man of anyway.
When pushed you actually came up with a good point, you are obviously clued up on a lot of stuff but it appears as though you would rather start arguments than have discussions.
Personally, I would have preferred to see Duffy start and at least have Hibbo at RB, Gos could then have played RM with Timmy in the middle and Rodders playing that deep holding role and just the Yak up front. Which as far as I am aware, is the way DM normally plays.
As for your response to my original question, what you were saying is that you couldn’t do any better but you’re going to slag the man of anyway.
When pushed you actually came up with a good point, you are obviously clued up on a lot of stuff but it appears as though you would rather start arguments than have discussions.
Personally, I would have preferred to see Duffy start and at least have Hibbo at RB, Gos could then have played RM with Timmy in the middle and Rodders playing that deep holding role and just the Yak up front. Which as far as I am aware, is the way DM normally plays.
I reckon its time to start showing sme fucking bollox - get rid of the players who arnt performing once and for all and start afresh - even if it means writing this season off.
Cahill has completely and utterly vanished..
Cahill has completely and utterly vanished..
Stephen,
I certainly was disinterested...I simply didn’t care anymore...indifferent i think is the appropriate synonym
haha...If it hadn’t been dark Id have went fishing..Maybe question time tonight will cheer me up.
I certainly was disinterested...I simply didn’t care anymore...indifferent i think is the appropriate synonym
haha...If it hadn’t been dark Id have went fishing..Maybe question time tonight will cheer me up.
Yes that was a weakened team but, as Dick says, only Coleman was a new face. The rest of them are experienced Premiership players who should be able to at least do the basics of controlling the ball, passing it to someone in blue and, when not in possession yourself, move to a position where you could receive the ball from someone else in blue. It’s not fucking hard!
Ciaran,
for a man with your football knowledge, someone would think that you know that Neil is ineligible and though unable to be played in EL.
Moreover about the 3-5-2 formation – to my knowledge Hibbert is right back and he would have been played out of position, as well as Coleman, the only other recognised CD on the bench was Duffy, should we assume then that had Moyes played the formation 3-5-2 Hibbert would have been played out of position again and what would have been the reaction on these pages!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
for a man with your football knowledge, someone would think that you know that Neil is ineligible and though unable to be played in EL.
Moreover about the 3-5-2 formation – to my knowledge Hibbert is right back and he would have been played out of position, as well as Coleman, the only other recognised CD on the bench was Duffy, should we assume then that had Moyes played the formation 3-5-2 Hibbert would have been played out of position again and what would have been the reaction on these pages!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I don’t think Moyes had a gameplan tonight. I think all he could do was find 11 fit players and choose a formation around them.
I expect there would have been a 4-5-1 formation had either Osman, Pienaar, Arteta, Neville or Hietinga been fit.
I expect there would have been a 4-5-1 formation had either Osman, Pienaar, Arteta, Neville or Hietinga been fit.
Stefan, what 3-5-2 formation? Have I missed something?
Given how shit Cahill was out on the right (and he was proper shit) are we perhaps suggesting we missed Osman tonight...
I cannot believe I written that :)
I cannot believe I written that :)
Ciaran - Ditto about question time haha
i was actually looking forward to it more than watching everton. how depressing is that!
The Buck stops with Moyes for me. Potential different starting 11’s are totally futile.
You have to be able to make a basic pass to a team mate etc etc The BASICS for gods sake. Do we ever train? beginning to wonder...
i was actually looking forward to it more than watching everton. how depressing is that!
The Buck stops with Moyes for me. Potential different starting 11’s are totally futile.
You have to be able to make a basic pass to a team mate etc etc The BASICS for gods sake. Do we ever train? beginning to wonder...
Poor old Seamus Coleman. First he gets a career threatening blister and then he gets a career threatening stuffing from Benfica.
Here’s a question.
Given that it was our worst ever European defeat, can anyone name a worst debut?
Surely Coleman’s debut has to be the worst in Everton’s history?
Here’s a question.
Given that it was our worst ever European defeat, can anyone name a worst debut?
Surely Coleman’s debut has to be the worst in Everton’s history?
Steve,
I didn’t feel it necessary or incined to go into fantasy alternatives...
The fact was that there were much better options..
anyway..not gonna get too upset as I see this competition as a week night distraction...especially at this stage and with the acknowledged constraints..I simply think those players can play better andthat Moyes could be more astute..
I didn’t feel it necessary or incined to go into fantasy alternatives...
The fact was that there were much better options..
anyway..not gonna get too upset as I see this competition as a week night distraction...especially at this stage and with the acknowledged constraints..I simply think those players can play better andthat Moyes could be more astute..
Okay you guys stop all the moaning. This was a predictable result. No one can go into Lisbon with a team like we had to put out and expect a result. Okay 5 was a bit unexpected but. I am sure we would have creamed them at Goodison if they were missing similar players. The shame is on DM and the BK for having 2 players who were signed too late and who could have made it a different game. We can still win the group so let’s move on and get a result at Bolton.
Although talking about bad debuts.
I remember Iain Turner got stuffed 4-1 against Chelsea on his debut.
And he then got sent off in the very next game against Blackburn.
Turner’s bad debut may rival Coleman’s.
I remember Iain Turner got stuffed 4-1 against Chelsea on his debut.
And he then got sent off in the very next game against Blackburn.
Turner’s bad debut may rival Coleman’s.
To be fair Tom Bowers I don’t think it was a predictable result.
Ok quite a few of us may have expected to lose but 5-0? Our biggest ever defeat in Europe.
That was predictable.
Who do you think is more emabarrased today...the Everton fans or the father of that girl in The Sun with her knickers round her ankles?
Ok quite a few of us may have expected to lose but 5-0? Our biggest ever defeat in Europe.
That was predictable.
Who do you think is more emabarrased today...the Everton fans or the father of that girl in The Sun with her knickers round her ankles?
Has anyone watched the game?!?!?!?!? What does this mean we fielded only two youngsters but the rest were Premiership players and we should have won???? Where did all the goals came from, they were basic errors from the young players, who were caught out of position time and time again, when you concede 3 soft goals in space of 4 min the game is gone and please don’t get me even stated on the suggestion that Moyes should have played, Duffy at CB and Hibbert on RB.
The game showed that when you have 10 players missing, Fellaini half fit, Rodwell jaded, Yakubu not match fit, the tactic doesn’t matter. Ok we played 4-4-2 without I repeat without single defensive minded midfielder bar Rodwell and two attacking fullbacks, all posters were screaming about it, what happened, why that happened?!?!? Is anyone posing this question to himself? Does anyone believe that playing 4-5-1,3-5-2 or 4-4-2 would have led to different result given all the injuries we had and the problems those who were on the field had?
IMO opinion no, what this game showed is that we are really, really down to bare bones, death man walking if you want and the bad thing is that we don’t have the bodies for the upcoming games with Bolton and Spurs and we will be struggling again. BTW don’t expect 4-4-2 again anytime soon……….
The game showed that when you have 10 players missing, Fellaini half fit, Rodwell jaded, Yakubu not match fit, the tactic doesn’t matter. Ok we played 4-4-2 without I repeat without single defensive minded midfielder bar Rodwell and two attacking fullbacks, all posters were screaming about it, what happened, why that happened?!?!? Is anyone posing this question to himself? Does anyone believe that playing 4-5-1,3-5-2 or 4-4-2 would have led to different result given all the injuries we had and the problems those who were on the field had?
IMO opinion no, what this game showed is that we are really, really down to bare bones, death man walking if you want and the bad thing is that we don’t have the bodies for the upcoming games with Bolton and Spurs and we will be struggling again. BTW don’t expect 4-4-2 again anytime soon……….
Ciaran...’Moyes could be more astute’??
Yes, he could try getting players to try keeping hold of the ball rather than rely on his favoured hoofball tactics that constantly give the ball back to the opposition.
Yes..he could try keeping at least one player up when defending corners so that one or two defenders are not then free to go forward.
Yes... he could realise that even with limited resources you try to select players in their best positions.
Yes, he could try getting players to try keeping hold of the ball rather than rely on his favoured hoofball tactics that constantly give the ball back to the opposition.
Yes..he could try keeping at least one player up when defending corners so that one or two defenders are not then free to go forward.
Yes... he could realise that even with limited resources you try to select players in their best positions.
Yes... he could (and I’m not taliking about tonight now) realise that Osman and Hibbert as a right sided pairing are a glaring weakness that every fan and opposition manager has spotted.
Yes... he could realise that by picking Neville as captain means that he is forced to pick a limited player who is probably the worst exponent of giving the ball away and ’hoofball’.
Yes... he could realise that constantly setting his teams up for a negative/safety first approach even against teams like Stoke and Wolves will wear away at the confidence of players who don’t feel that their manager has any faith in them.
Yes...he could be more astute...but don’t hold your breath.
So now Fellaini’s half fit cos he had a tooth out a week ago..
Jesus wept
Jesus wept
Ciaran as you are persisting with "The fact was that there were much better options.."
Please educate us and name them
Please educate us and name them
May I add my thoughts?
Howard - USA international goalkeeper
Gosling - Never been convinced.
Hibbo - Experienced English Premier League player.
Distin - Not sure if he played for France, but extremely experienced.
Coleman - Debutant.
Fellaini - Current Belgian international
Cahill - 4 million caps for Oz
Bily - Current Russian international
Rodders - England Under 21 and the great hope.
Yak - Current Nigerian international
Jo - Has caps for Brazil..... No, really! Stop that sniggering.
So we have a load of internationals in that side..... OK we have almost a full team out injured, but does that excuse the lack of basic ball skills? Or the rank inability to pass the ball to a man with the same colour shirt on?
No it fucking doesn’t!!!!
And as for Jo? Well I used to think that pound for pound, James Beattie was the most useless waster I’ve ever seen farting about up front for the Blues, but Jo...... words fail me. How anyone managed to flog him for 18 or 19 million is beyond me. Hopeless.
Thank fuck Ossie wasn’t playing tonight!
Howard - USA international goalkeeper
Gosling - Never been convinced.
Hibbo - Experienced English Premier League player.
Distin - Not sure if he played for France, but extremely experienced.
Coleman - Debutant.
Fellaini - Current Belgian international
Cahill - 4 million caps for Oz
Bily - Current Russian international
Rodders - England Under 21 and the great hope.
Yak - Current Nigerian international
Jo - Has caps for Brazil..... No, really! Stop that sniggering.
So we have a load of internationals in that side..... OK we have almost a full team out injured, but does that excuse the lack of basic ball skills? Or the rank inability to pass the ball to a man with the same colour shirt on?
No it fucking doesn’t!!!!
And as for Jo? Well I used to think that pound for pound, James Beattie was the most useless waster I’ve ever seen farting about up front for the Blues, but Jo...... words fail me. How anyone managed to flog him for 18 or 19 million is beyond me. Hopeless.
Thank fuck Ossie wasn’t playing tonight!
Another masterclass shambles!
This guy Fellaini is just baggage, he was shit the day he joined the club and is still shit. Total waste of space. This chump doesn’t tackle or head - garbage total garbage! and for €15M its another masterstroke from Moyes. What an astute buy, sir.
For all the good Moyes has done, how many more batterings are we gonna take whilst he’s in charge?
He sure loves breaking records at Everton for all the wrong reason!!!!
Two batterings so far this season... and counting.
This guy Fellaini is just baggage, he was shit the day he joined the club and is still shit. Total waste of space. This chump doesn’t tackle or head - garbage total garbage! and for €15M its another masterstroke from Moyes. What an astute buy, sir.
For all the good Moyes has done, how many more batterings are we gonna take whilst he’s in charge?
He sure loves breaking records at Everton for all the wrong reason!!!!
Two batterings so far this season... and counting.
How many heavy defeats have we now suffered under Moyes? I’ve lost count.
Haha look what happens when Osmen is taken out the team... we fall to pieces, just kidding, better to laugh than cry tho ay :).
Bil was taken off because of a injury you idiots!
Bil was taken off because of a injury you idiots!
Can’t wait till Sunday, no Arteta, no Piennar, no Billy, and no Ossie.
Who will post first about DM’s negative lineup?
Who will post first about DM’s negative lineup?
Fellaini has been shit since the day he joined the club?
Did he finish last season as our leading goalscorer? Can’t remember.
I do remember he won young player of the year at Everton.
Little harsh to say he’s been shit since he joined.
Ok he’s not proven to be anywhere near the money we paid but he’s looked good at times.
Could develop into a decent player.
Did he finish last season as our leading goalscorer? Can’t remember.
I do remember he won young player of the year at Everton.
Little harsh to say he’s been shit since he joined.
Ok he’s not proven to be anywhere near the money we paid but he’s looked good at times.
Could develop into a decent player.
Dick
I agree, Fellaini needs better players around him..
I agree, Fellaini needs better players around him..
"I’ve no idea what id have done about the back line...I still waiting to hear where the Baines and Neill are...
I tell you wha I wouldnt have done if Id have been forced to play coleman in left back. and Gosling on the right..played a four man midfield...
Although I have to admit to being wrong about Gosling in right back after the AEK game...I thought he did well in that game..obviously a one off..
so for me, it would ave been a five man midfield with saha up front...and baxter on the right, and Cahill playing the only role he can behind Saha."
If you mean this yes I saw hence the agreement about the 5 man midfield, but you only came out with that when pushed.
But apparently Stefan didn’t. and the only player you moved into his proper position was Cahill. That isn’t players plural that is player singular. You are mouthing off, being very indignant but not saying very much at all.
I tell you wha I wouldnt have done if Id have been forced to play coleman in left back. and Gosling on the right..played a four man midfield...
Although I have to admit to being wrong about Gosling in right back after the AEK game...I thought he did well in that game..obviously a one off..
so for me, it would ave been a five man midfield with saha up front...and baxter on the right, and Cahill playing the only role he can behind Saha."
If you mean this yes I saw hence the agreement about the 5 man midfield, but you only came out with that when pushed.
But apparently Stefan didn’t. and the only player you moved into his proper position was Cahill. That isn’t players plural that is player singular. You are mouthing off, being very indignant but not saying very much at all.
Ciaran, why all the sarcasm? You’re the one who doesn’t seem to know what he’s talking about.
You ask where Neill was, not knowing he’s ineligible.
You crack wise about Coleman’s career-threatening blister, apparently not knowing he nearly lost part of his foot earlier this year to a staph infection that began with a blister.
You crack wise about Fellaini, apparently not knowing that Moyes said he’d been struggling for months with a major infection.
And your "alternative" back line consisted of one comment: "I’ve no idea what id have done about the back line."
You’ve no idea about just about anything, do you?
You ask where Neill was, not knowing he’s ineligible.
You crack wise about Coleman’s career-threatening blister, apparently not knowing he nearly lost part of his foot earlier this year to a staph infection that began with a blister.
You crack wise about Fellaini, apparently not knowing that Moyes said he’d been struggling for months with a major infection.
And your "alternative" back line consisted of one comment: "I’ve no idea what id have done about the back line."
You’ve no idea about just about anything, do you?
Well maybe I should have put it differently, Moyes is to blame here as he’s shelled out €15 million on a player that quite clearly isn’t worth €15M and thats put alot of pressure on he boy. How Carsley is still missed 2 years on! That one position was so important for Moyes to replace, replace well and get right and he has failed to do that!
Dave Richman ,
you are missing the point buddy, in the first half we were decent, we had half chances and got undone by mistake from the inexperienced Coleman, then just after the break blitzkrieg helped by 2 more errors and it game set and match, no amount of international will help you if you leaks soft goals - simple
and Ciaran, Fellaini is not half fit because he had operation last week but because the guy is on antibiotics for 3 months and the operation is just the cherry of course here on Toffeweb all the players should be robots and perform week in week out but this isn’t FM unfortunately. I will challenge anybody here just take antibiotics for 3 months and go to his day to day job let alone playing in EPL
you are missing the point buddy, in the first half we were decent, we had half chances and got undone by mistake from the inexperienced Coleman, then just after the break blitzkrieg helped by 2 more errors and it game set and match, no amount of international will help you if you leaks soft goals - simple
and Ciaran, Fellaini is not half fit because he had operation last week but because the guy is on antibiotics for 3 months and the operation is just the cherry of course here on Toffeweb all the players should be robots and perform week in week out but this isn’t FM unfortunately. I will challenge anybody here just take antibiotics for 3 months and go to his day to day job let alone playing in EPL
I don’t think Moyes is capable of being any more astute, Ciarán, otherwise he would have recognised the threat on the right side earlier, as we all did and even the US commentators did. We have several skillful players in our team, but they play as if constrained, and I can only look to Moyes’ approach to find reason.
It grieves me to say so, but we are not going to win this or any other competition this season. Before anyone jumps on me remember that Moyes himself has said that our form won’t improve for some time, which will get into the head of the players and fuck them up (worra man manager, our Davey!).
btw, Ciarán, ’disinterest’ is not about not giving a fuck - if the boys in blue had rallied you would have favoured them. (purely theoretical notion that, rallied.)
It grieves me to say so, but we are not going to win this or any other competition this season. Before anyone jumps on me remember that Moyes himself has said that our form won’t improve for some time, which will get into the head of the players and fuck them up (worra man manager, our Davey!).
btw, Ciarán, ’disinterest’ is not about not giving a fuck - if the boys in blue had rallied you would have favoured them. (purely theoretical notion that, rallied.)
Here’s a thought.
Howard
Hibbert - Jagielka - Distin - Baines
Neville
Pienaar - Fellaini - Arteta - Billy
Saha
What would the score have been with that starting 11.
Howard
Hibbert - Jagielka - Distin - Baines
Neville
Pienaar - Fellaini - Arteta - Billy
Saha
What would the score have been with that starting 11.
Yeah Mike, I heard about the infection. Something like shittyitis wasn’t it?
One more thing and I am off, 99% of you guys will make, with your football knowledge and vision, any Spurs or Newcastle fan page proud….
Mike Gaynes,
Yes, I forgot Neill was not registered in time....I laughed at dick’s phrasing about Colemans infection....and Mioyes made that comment about Fellaini about 2 months ago..He didn’t have ebola he had the flu..How long will this excuse last for him not being able to do the simple stuff..christmas?Next season?
Steve Pugh,
That’s three different personnel and a different formation.
Yeah, I’m simple. shoot me. Nice to see you consider contrary opinions and criticism as ’mouthing off’
DO me a favour.
Yes, I forgot Neill was not registered in time....I laughed at dick’s phrasing about Colemans infection....and Mioyes made that comment about Fellaini about 2 months ago..He didn’t have ebola he had the flu..How long will this excuse last for him not being able to do the simple stuff..christmas?Next season?
Steve Pugh,
That’s three different personnel and a different formation.
Yeah, I’m simple. shoot me. Nice to see you consider contrary opinions and criticism as ’mouthing off’
DO me a favour.
Stefan Tosev...
What kind oif viral infection requires antibiotics for 3 months - while be fit enough to play pro football?
Stop talking bollocks.
Unless your his doctor, youre making shit up..
What kind oif viral infection requires antibiotics for 3 months - while be fit enough to play pro football?
Stop talking bollocks.
Unless your his doctor, youre making shit up..
Nevermind the fact that ANtibiotics are for bacterial infections...and not viral infections
Why are we cursed with supporting this lot? For every mild high there are nights like this. I’m not sure why we keep being a one step forward one step back team. Tonight... let me just vent for a about this nightmare.
Fellaini was shit, dear posters because once Billy went off he was playing and covering every midfield position himself.
Billy/Distin/Howard. Sorry you’ve ended up with this shower tonight.
Cahill... Just pretend we’re the OZ team and step up to the bloody plate, honestly, we slate Pip, but what a captains performance that was Tim.
Jo.... well, at least we haven’t bought him. We haven’t have we Hughes?
Blame goes to the staff tonight though, what happened to the great youth set up we have at state of the art "finch farm" that we have zero confidence in the youngsters? Why can’t highly paid pro’s pass the ball to each other. Why do we have no tactics other than what we start the match with?
Fellaini was shit, dear posters because once Billy went off he was playing and covering every midfield position himself.
Billy/Distin/Howard. Sorry you’ve ended up with this shower tonight.
Cahill... Just pretend we’re the OZ team and step up to the bloody plate, honestly, we slate Pip, but what a captains performance that was Tim.
Jo.... well, at least we haven’t bought him. We haven’t have we Hughes?
Blame goes to the staff tonight though, what happened to the great youth set up we have at state of the art "finch farm" that we have zero confidence in the youngsters? Why can’t highly paid pro’s pass the ball to each other. Why do we have no tactics other than what we start the match with?
So Andy, what was Fellaini doing before Bily went off? Because he was also shite up to that point.
Ciaran,
So your three different personnel are Baxter, Saha and who? Cahill isn’t different personnel, he is different position.
In fact he is the only positional change you made, Baxter came into the gap made by Cahills move, Saha a straight swap for Yak, Jo’s position gone for Cahills new position.
"Stop talking bollocks.
Unless your his doctor, youre making shit up.. "
"So now Fellaini’s half fit cos he had a tooth out a week ago..
Jesus wept "
"what the fuck has their age got to do with not being able to pass a ball, find space or tackle....you’d think they were under 10’s to hear you lot..." These are not contrary opinions this is mouthing off. Do you really think that telling someone they are talking bollocks is a contrary opinion, or is that your idea of criticism.
You are not simple, in fact as I said you are actually quite clued up, but you hide it in crass language and aggressive phrasing.
So your three different personnel are Baxter, Saha and who? Cahill isn’t different personnel, he is different position.
In fact he is the only positional change you made, Baxter came into the gap made by Cahills move, Saha a straight swap for Yak, Jo’s position gone for Cahills new position.
"Stop talking bollocks.
Unless your his doctor, youre making shit up.. "
"So now Fellaini’s half fit cos he had a tooth out a week ago..
Jesus wept "
"what the fuck has their age got to do with not being able to pass a ball, find space or tackle....you’d think they were under 10’s to hear you lot..." These are not contrary opinions this is mouthing off. Do you really think that telling someone they are talking bollocks is a contrary opinion, or is that your idea of criticism.
You are not simple, in fact as I said you are actually quite clued up, but you hide it in crass language and aggressive phrasing.
He seemed to be the only midfielder to put in a couple of tackles, collect a ball and lay it off and generally try to play a European game of football tonight.
God I hate to do this. Ciaran Felli had an infection in his wisdom teeth, and the treatment for this includes a course of antibiotics. If you don’t believe me check the Addenbrooks website. As well as mentioning the treatment they go on to say that after having the teeth removed, which he had done on Wednesday, that "There is usually some swelling of the face and discomfort in the mouth for at least a week.
It is normal to find it painful or difficult to open your mouth for a few days."
So it is a fair guess that Felli is not 100% fit yet.
It is normal to find it painful or difficult to open your mouth for a few days."
So it is a fair guess that Felli is not 100% fit yet.
Well I dont think anybody saw that coming after the first half we looked in the game and the equal of them, in that five minute spell we made them look like Brasil 1970.
The back four was under the cosh with minimal protection from the midfield. Playing Hibbert at centre half and Gosling at right back was clearly a mistake you might get away with it against BATE but not away to Benfica.
A back four of Hibbert,Duffy,Distin,Coleman with just one player out of position would have fared better than the one Moyes opted for which had 3 players out of position.
It is just one game though and it has gone now and it is all part of the plan in luring them into a false sense of security because if Baines,Yobo and Pienaar are fit in a fortnight we will beat them easily.
The back four was under the cosh with minimal protection from the midfield. Playing Hibbert at centre half and Gosling at right back was clearly a mistake you might get away with it against BATE but not away to Benfica.
A back four of Hibbert,Duffy,Distin,Coleman with just one player out of position would have fared better than the one Moyes opted for which had 3 players out of position.
It is just one game though and it has gone now and it is all part of the plan in luring them into a false sense of security because if Baines,Yobo and Pienaar are fit in a fortnight we will beat them easily.
"I have said to the players that this is a different competition and we have had two wins and a defeat so it’s not that bad," said Moyes in the post-match press conference.
"It wasn’t a second string defence, it was playing out of their position. We put out the best we had and the players did as well as they could," he added. "I only have praise for the players tonight."
WTF "ITS NOT THAT BAD" we just got fucked five nil you tit
"It wasn’t a second string defence, it was playing out of their position. We put out the best we had and the players did as well as they could," he added. "I only have praise for the players tonight."
WTF "ITS NOT THAT BAD" we just got fucked five nil you tit
If they did as well as they could, as Moyes claims, then he should be shot for putting them out there! That’s like saying he expected nothing better, ffs.
Steve,
I was talking to stefan about who suggested Fellaini had been on antibiotics for 3 months for his viral condition..
If you’d read the posts you’d have realised that...
And steve,
If you don’t like confrontational language perhaps you should refrain from using it yourself...and that goes for the personal stuff to..
You could start with realising that producing an opinion on a forum is not ’mouthing off’...
I was talking to stefan about who suggested Fellaini had been on antibiotics for 3 months for his viral condition..
If you’d read the posts you’d have realised that...
And steve,
If you don’t like confrontational language perhaps you should refrain from using it yourself...and that goes for the personal stuff to..
You could start with realising that producing an opinion on a forum is not ’mouthing off’...
Thank fook I missed that game. I thought it ended up 1-0 after my mate stopped texting me in college.
Woe and behold I go on Sky news and see that we have received a right dicking.
Woe and behold I go on Sky news and see that we have received a right dicking.
They made us a new arse hole, Tony!
Steve,
I was talking to stefan about who suggested Fellaini had been on antibiotics for 3 months for his viral condition..
If you’d read the posts you’d have realised that...
buddy please read carefully what I have written and in the future dont put words in my mouth, that I have never said. Thank you.
"and Ciaran, Fellaini is not half fit because he had operation last week but because the guy is on antibiotics for 3 months and the operation is just the cherry"
I was talking to stefan about who suggested Fellaini had been on antibiotics for 3 months for his viral condition..
If you’d read the posts you’d have realised that...
buddy please read carefully what I have written and in the future dont put words in my mouth, that I have never said. Thank you.
"and Ciaran, Fellaini is not half fit because he had operation last week but because the guy is on antibiotics for 3 months and the operation is just the cherry"
Moyes comments are amazing
"Only have praise for the players"
It seems these days that its impossible to publicly critise any EFC player if you work on our managerial/coaching staff
How Fellani, Jo and Cahill get praise is completely beyond me
"Only have praise for the players"
It seems these days that its impossible to publicly critise any EFC player if you work on our managerial/coaching staff
How Fellani, Jo and Cahill get praise is completely beyond me
Just a guess but he was talking about the infection in his wisdom teeth that he has been taking antibiotics for, over a three month period, and which culminated in an operation to remove said teeth last week
Dick Anderson, going back to bad debuts my candidate is Glen Keeley. Dust off the history books !
Oh, and we were shite today apart from Hibbo and Distin
David Moyes's suit needs to be mothballed, we never win when he wears it, why does he bother!?
It was obvious that Gosling was getting done for pace in the first half. Moyes should of taken action at half time and made the following tactical changes:
1. Hibbert to right-back
2. Rodwell to centre-back
3. Gosling to right-mid
4. Cahill to centre-mid
I’m amazed Moyes left young Gosling out there to dry when he clearly lacked the pace to deal with De Maria. I wasn’t expecting much from this game but I thought Moyes could of done something (like the above) to stem the flow of goals.
1. Hibbert to right-back
2. Rodwell to centre-back
3. Gosling to right-mid
4. Cahill to centre-mid
I’m amazed Moyes left young Gosling out there to dry when he clearly lacked the pace to deal with De Maria. I wasn’t expecting much from this game but I thought Moyes could of done something (like the above) to stem the flow of goals.
Ciarán McGlone
I don’t want to sound pedantic here, well actually I do. Antibiotic is a general term used for a group of unrelated compounds used to treat any infection whether that be bacterial, viral, fungal or protozoal.
More specifically antibacterials are use to treat bacterial infections, however the term antibiotic is not restricted to bacterial infections.
One thing we can all agree is is that we were shocking last night.
I don’t want to sound pedantic here, well actually I do. Antibiotic is a general term used for a group of unrelated compounds used to treat any infection whether that be bacterial, viral, fungal or protozoal.
More specifically antibacterials are use to treat bacterial infections, however the term antibiotic is not restricted to bacterial infections.
One thing we can all agree is is that we were shocking last night.
Nick,
Name me an viral antibiotic?
Name me an viral antibiotic?
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Howard, Coleman, Hibbert, Distin, Bilyaletdinov, Rodwell, Cahill, Gosling, Fellaini, Jo, Yakubu. Subs: Saha, Nash, Baxter, Wallace, Agard, Akpan, Duffy.