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No guts, no heart, no effort, no commitment. That's what I saw tonight from every single senior player on the pitch. Cahill was invisible, Felliani looked as if he couldn't give a shit, Yakubu drifted around aimlessly and I don't think he even managed to break sweat, Jo fell over a lot, Distin and Hibbert looked completely at sea.
Loads of injuries to key players meant young kids got shoved in at the deep end and somewhat out of position. Instead of the senior players on the pitch stepping up and showing some bottle, some initiative, some support and some leadership, we got a bunch of spineless wonders.
There was still 40 minutes left when the fourth goal went in. That's almost a full half of football. And yet not one senior player responded with anything close to trying to salvage some pride. Not one senior player stepped up and looked to do anything apart from look sorry for himself.
I have never ever been so ashamed to be an Everton supporter, never.
Kieran Fitzgerald, Posted 22/10/2009 at 17:43:00
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Michael Kenrick
Oh come on... that's a bir OTT is it not. You wouldn't look your best after letting in three quick goals like that. The vital defensive positions David Moyes relies upon were not manned by players he trusts. Five goals against is the predictable and somewhat expected result. This is one we just have to take in the shorts, I'm afraid.
Sky box not working so had to use Iraq goals instead, Not my prefered choice, poor quality and kept switching off at vital times.
Bit like our performance tonight !
Bit like our performance tonight !
Injuries always come and bite you up the backside when you least expect it and they sometimes happen all in one go which is why you build a strong squad of players to cope with different competitions, unfortunately Everton haven’t built a squad over the years due to the lack of finances and are now paying the price......Guess we should look no further than Mr Kenwright. as a scapegoat.
The ’ashamed’ part is way, way over the top but I fear we are blinding ourselves to reality if we rely on the excuse that we had a depleted squad. The fact is that it was the senior players who largely let us down. Fellaini played like his mind was somewhere else and he was always way off the pace and way behind the play. Hibbert was completely outclassed. Even Distin was made to look clumsy. Yakubu was his usual lazy, ’put-it-on-my-bootlaces’ self. Jo stopped bothering. These are not youngsters. There is an excuse for Gosling, Rodwell & Co who were out of their depth. I fear the experience will make Moyes even more defensive minded and tentative than normal. Hope not. Thank God AEK lost or we would be in worse trouble.
Moyes only has praise for the lads according to the official site
Felli, Jo and Cahill need a severe kick up the arse after that shite
It was really tough on the back 4, Distin for me was our best player and on a complete hiding to nothing
but PRAISE, jesus wept
How about a bit of praise for the thousands of blues who made the trip Davey and had to watch that rather predictable mess.
Felli, Jo and Cahill need a severe kick up the arse after that shite
It was really tough on the back 4, Distin for me was our best player and on a complete hiding to nothing
but PRAISE, jesus wept
How about a bit of praise for the thousands of blues who made the trip Davey and had to watch that rather predictable mess.
Definitely the senior players to blame, Fellaini not at the races at all, Cahill invisible.
Do you realise that if you concede 2 blitz goals due to defensive mistakes 3 min into second half and the result is 3-0 with the home crowd behind their team, no amount of senior or international players is going turn the game, or as is the tradition on these pages you are just looking for a scapegoat and the need to say how Everton are shit and jump on the players throats when they are playing through all the adversities?
I’m Pro-Moyes.
I believe we have a high quality squad.
But even I cannot excuse this awful result.
Weakened team. Ok. But lets be honest we still had alot of regular players out there. Coleman was the only unfamiliar face. Maybe you could say Gosling and Rodwell. But the others are all tried and trusted players.
This was a bad humiliating result.
I believe we have a high quality squad.
But even I cannot excuse this awful result.
Weakened team. Ok. But lets be honest we still had alot of regular players out there. Coleman was the only unfamiliar face. Maybe you could say Gosling and Rodwell. But the others are all tried and trusted players.
This was a bad humiliating result.
Hindsight is a great thing but I said all day that rodwell should have played centre half tonite. I would of gone for -
Hibbert Rodwell Distin Billy
Gosling Fellaini Cahill Jo
Yak Saha
I feel this would have given us more balance and aim to stifle Benfica. Anyone else agree with me?
Hibbert Rodwell Distin Billy
Gosling Fellaini Cahill Jo
Yak Saha
I feel this would have given us more balance and aim to stifle Benfica. Anyone else agree with me?
Dick,
I will try again to make my point and I hope someone understands it, in the 46 min the game is over 3-0 down - game, set and match, there is no matter who is on the pitch and who isn’t, there isn’t a point blaming it on the senior players, cause IMO in the first half we were pretty decent, again we conceded soft goal but we were in the game, when you are 3-0 down and you don’t have confidence in your back 4 there is no way back.
You cant fault Coleman and Gosling either – they were thrown in the middle of storm and simply found out that they are still not good enough and I just hope that the boys will recover from this game, cause such a game can be damaging for a young player career, confidence crisis, starting to doubt your abilities etc.
We lost but we are still very well placed to progress and in the current injury crisis its not a bad thing but certainly not the time to get on the boys or mangers throat.
I will try again to make my point and I hope someone understands it, in the 46 min the game is over 3-0 down - game, set and match, there is no matter who is on the pitch and who isn’t, there isn’t a point blaming it on the senior players, cause IMO in the first half we were pretty decent, again we conceded soft goal but we were in the game, when you are 3-0 down and you don’t have confidence in your back 4 there is no way back.
You cant fault Coleman and Gosling either – they were thrown in the middle of storm and simply found out that they are still not good enough and I just hope that the boys will recover from this game, cause such a game can be damaging for a young player career, confidence crisis, starting to doubt your abilities etc.
We lost but we are still very well placed to progress and in the current injury crisis its not a bad thing but certainly not the time to get on the boys or mangers throat.
Moyes always gets the praise when things go right and, although we had loads of injuries, I think he was heavily to blame for tonight’s result.
Why did he have to wait until transfer deadline day to sign Heitinga and even later for Lucas Neill? At the end of last season he said, "We don’t want a repeat of bringing in players late again like last year, because players didn’t have time to settle and so we have a poor start to the season."
I’m sorry but he’s lied to the fans by saying that. My point being that if he would have brought players in earlier like he said then Heitinga and Neill would have been registered in time for the Europa League and we wouldn’t have had to throw Gosling and Coleman in at the deep end! Not to mention Moyes only has one left back in the squad, what happens when Baines is injured??!!
Top bloke, diamond geezer etc etc but this more or less confirms the theory that Cahill can’t play effectively in a 4 man midfield, especially on the right.
Gosling was on a hiding to nothing, the key to fullback play is the space in front of him. Tim is not used to that right wide position and drifted. Sad to say that Osman would have been better, he may be no use, but he is used to the rightwide spot.
Colman looked no better or worse than Ratcliffe did when he made his debut at LB. but is not used to the left and many times drifted right and lost his man.
Moyes just can’t win, he goes 4-5-1 when he should go 4-4-2... and tonight he did the opposite.
Dons 20/20 hindsight specs... ANYONE, be he YTS or what ever, who is used to playing on the left should have been at LB, its an emergency ffs with a minder if required. thus...
Colman, round peg in round hole, with Gosling in front as minder, again round peg in round hole.
Speak as you find they say, Dave ’I should have zigged but I zagged’ Moyes gets it wrong again.
Gosling was on a hiding to nothing, the key to fullback play is the space in front of him. Tim is not used to that right wide position and drifted. Sad to say that Osman would have been better, he may be no use, but he is used to the rightwide spot.
Colman looked no better or worse than Ratcliffe did when he made his debut at LB. but is not used to the left and many times drifted right and lost his man.
Moyes just can’t win, he goes 4-5-1 when he should go 4-4-2... and tonight he did the opposite.
Dons 20/20 hindsight specs... ANYONE, be he YTS or what ever, who is used to playing on the left should have been at LB, its an emergency ffs with a minder if required. thus...
Colman, round peg in round hole, with Gosling in front as minder, again round peg in round hole.
Speak as you find they say, Dave ’I should have zigged but I zagged’ Moyes gets it wrong again.
Oh c’mon... we were unlucky to lose 5-0! Us conceding 3 in 5 mins is always gonna stifle any team. And think of our injuries tonight.
A winger at right back, a full back at centre back, an unfamiliar left back, an attacking midfield at right wing and at the end a striker at left wing, plus we got our most creative player injured. And we were playing the second best team in Portugal with some really class players!
They were better than us tonight... but once we have our players back, we can play better than them. But we were just really unlucky with injuries and it’s not gonna get any better with two games in a week. Just hopefully we can handle the next games better than we did tonight.
A winger at right back, a full back at centre back, an unfamiliar left back, an attacking midfield at right wing and at the end a striker at left wing, plus we got our most creative player injured. And we were playing the second best team in Portugal with some really class players!
They were better than us tonight... but once we have our players back, we can play better than them. But we were just really unlucky with injuries and it’s not gonna get any better with two games in a week. Just hopefully we can handle the next games better than we did tonight.
Stefan, I’m afraid tonight is just the time to get "on the boys and manager's throat". It was a shameful performance that makes talk of Champions League football laughable. We are a poor side coached by a man who has had his day. Unfortunately we are stuck with him. Injuries aside, the team tonight seemed entirely unmotivated. Who can defend this shite?
That Di Maria looks a very good player and took our left apart almost at will.
I feel sorry for the 6/7,000 lads who went — hope they had a good time on the ale because apart from one or two flashes from Bily and Rodwell, they had nothing else to cheer. Final ball into the box let us down again...
I’m not too downhearted (or ashamed). We’ll still qualify for the next stage with points to spare.
I feel sorry for the 6/7,000 lads who went — hope they had a good time on the ale because apart from one or two flashes from Bily and Rodwell, they had nothing else to cheer. Final ball into the box let us down again...
I’m not too downhearted (or ashamed). We’ll still qualify for the next stage with points to spare.
Did anyone notice Steve Round at the game tonight? I noticed Moyesy was taking all the notes which is usually Round’s job.
I wasn't suprised by the result tonight. We weren't going to be able to compete with Benfica with so many missing. However, we had this problem last year and the year before but they were all caused by the same problem — no investment; no strength in depth; not having a big enough squad to compete in all competitions.
This is for all the DM supporters and non-supporters: Why play a central midfielder at right back and a right back at left back?
Why not do the easy option of playing the CM at left back and the right back in his normal position, especialy as he is a untried kid.
Why play two people out of position when you could of just played one? They're both right footed so why on earth would you make it even harder for the young lad?
Go on someone back DM on this on this. Explain that to me, truth is all you DM blinded fools is you can't. Sack the twat.
Rob, for all we know, Moyes might have explained the situation and asked the players what they would prefer to do, themselves. For all we know, Colemen might be a better LB than Gosling.
Perhaps Gosling is a better defender than Colemen and Moyes had scouted Benfica, realising what a good player Dimaria was, so felt it would be best to put Gosling against him. There could be a whole number of reasons; either way, your argument is irelevant, I doubt the change would have made much difference to the scoreline.
Kieran, you wrote "I have never ever been so ashamed to be an Everton supporter, never."
For fuck's sake, lad, where's your memory... What about Arsenal 6-1 or even 7-0? Let's not forget City 5-1 or Bolton 4-0. Shit, I almost forgot Villa 4-0 & West Brom also 4-0 not to mention Bucharest 5-1.
Fuck... we don’t just lose... they fuckin' tear us to pieces! Still... as long as we keep making progress, eh.
Good old Davey.
Yes they took us to the cleaners but we were fielding a pair of poor fullbacks and Benfica took full advantage.
Jo was absolutely shite.
As Moyes said on the OS, it would be interesting to play them again with a full first team. But looking at that Jags ipod video he looks like he’s put on some weight and could need a few extra weeks yet.
Our bread and butter will always be the Premiership. COYB
Jo was absolutely shite.
As Moyes said on the OS, it would be interesting to play them again with a full first team. But looking at that Jags ipod video he looks like he’s put on some weight and could need a few extra weeks yet.
Our bread and butter will always be the Premiership. COYB
Did anyone expect anything other than a towsing! Please get help if you did, a full strength Benefica, a reserve team, away from home, plus a game sunday and tuesday, don’t be ridiculous once the second goal went in it was always a case of how many.
Now Aresenal at home was shameful, Dinamo Bucharest was shameful, this was predictable..........mate get some perspective...oh by the way we’ll get towsered by spurs on tuesday too so a bottle wine and a good movie is essential for tuesday night tellie
Now Aresenal at home was shameful, Dinamo Bucharest was shameful, this was predictable..........mate get some perspective...oh by the way we’ll get towsered by spurs on tuesday too so a bottle wine and a good movie is essential for tuesday night tellie
Sean, I agree with you 100%. Not sure whether Gosling is good enough (or will ever be) at this level. He doesn’t have a natural turn of speed that is needed in today’s modern football, especially as a wing-back.
I genuinely believe Moyes has had his day at Everton, and unfortunately so has Tin Cahill. The big problems that leaves us with though are who is available that would want the job (please not Alan Irvine), and we cannot afford to bring in somebody to do the job Cahill was doing, Fellaini is not the man for this job.
Michael, the post was typed up an hour after the game. Yes, ashamed looks a bit strong and the post a bit ott but my original point was that that the senior players stopped trying. Can you really say that you were happy with the performance of the senior players last night? People are making it sound like the lack of effort and commitment was okay because players were played out of position. Being played out of position doesn’t mean you can harry and tackle the opposing players. It doesn’t mean you can’t look to get hold of the ball and try to make something happen. Not having eleven senior players over the age of twenty five on the pitch doesn’t mean you don’t have to make an effort or stop playing for each other. Not having eleven senior players on the pitch over the age of twenty five doesn’t mean you can switch off and hide from the game.
Yes, our back four was grossly understrength. But to me, it seems like the senior players went out onto the pitch last night at the start of the game thinking that the game was already lost and they shouldn’t really bother. Maybe not shameful but certainly nothing to be proud of and worrying to say the least.
Yes, our back four was grossly understrength. But to me, it seems like the senior players went out onto the pitch last night at the start of the game thinking that the game was already lost and they shouldn’t really bother. Maybe not shameful but certainly nothing to be proud of and worrying to say the least.
Well Kieran i actually don’t think you were a bit strong at all. That performance and effort was a fucking disgrace!
Topped off by Moyes praising the team after on the official. DISGUSTING.
Topped off by Moyes praising the team after on the official. DISGUSTING.
Moyes has the safest job in football. Kenwright will never sell the club and he will never sack Moyes. Moyes has become complacent in his job because there’s no pressure on him. It doesn’t really seem to matter to him whether we win or lose. I think this lack of competitive attitude has filtered down to the team hence the total lacklustre performance.
I’ll accept us losing an away game in Europe but 5-0 to anyone at this level is a fucking disgrace. All I keep hearing and reading today is "Everton suffer their worst ever European defeat".
I’ll accept us losing an away game in Europe but 5-0 to anyone at this level is a fucking disgrace. All I keep hearing and reading today is "Everton suffer their worst ever European defeat".
Stranger things have happened Alan.
Southgate had a similar relationship with Gibson at Boro.
But as soon as fans became disinterested and stopped going to games in thousands he soon got the sack!
Southgate had a similar relationship with Gibson at Boro.
But as soon as fans became disinterested and stopped going to games in thousands he soon got the sack!
5-0 it can happen away from home with injuries etc, and we not out of Europe by any means.
The question here is what will the response be. If it is more of the same then we have a serious problem.
The question here is what will the response be. If it is more of the same then we have a serious problem.
Aodhan, how can you so easily accept 5-0? To me it is totally unacceptable. I would love to be proved wrong but you know what the response will be. We might possibly beat Bolton but the performance will still be crap and we will still be last on match of the day, rightly so.
Alan, let's be clear: I never said that I accepted 5-0, just that it can happen. The real test will be the response. However, I do agree that the performances of late have been extremely worrying.
Going behind and scraping draws against the likes of Wolves and Stoke who are glorified pub teams suggests dark days ahead.
But one can’t be negative all the time.
Going behind and scraping draws against the likes of Wolves and Stoke who are glorified pub teams suggests dark days ahead.
But one can’t be negative all the time.
We lost the ball so many times in the middle and Benfica just bombed forward as soon as that happened, our defence kept getting torn apart due to inexperiance / pace and decent play by the opposition. I really couldn’t see what Moyes could do about it on the night.
I’m gutted we got twatted and worried about how long the injured players will be out for. I do think that with a full strengh side a draw would have been a good result last night and with a full strengh side we can beat them at Goodison.
Remember it’s only 3 points and we still look good for qualification and we have Pienaar, Arteta, Jags, Yobo, Baines and Neville to come back. Neill and Heitinga to come in, that's 8 players who could / should be in our 1st team.
Our defence was always gonna be a dodgy against a front line of Cardozo and Saviola, and with the injuries we have had, and remember we are playing away. Yes, I am not happy at all that we lost in a 5-0 scoreline, but I am not surprised we lost at all.
It’ll be a different game at Goodison.
And at least in the next game, our defence will probably be something like this
Neill, Heitinga, Distin, Hibbert
That’s not a bad defence at all, and at least it moves Gosling to midfield, so we definitely have a chance against Bolton. If we have Pienaar and Bily fit for that game, we’ll have the creativity to win that game too. Let’s just hope we’re lucky for once.
It’ll be a different game at Goodison.
And at least in the next game, our defence will probably be something like this
Neill, Heitinga, Distin, Hibbert
That’s not a bad defence at all, and at least it moves Gosling to midfield, so we definitely have a chance against Bolton. If we have Pienaar and Bily fit for that game, we’ll have the creativity to win that game too. Let’s just hope we’re lucky for once.
Where did 4 of the 5 goals come from last night? A cross from the their left wing to the back post. Where were our 2 weakest untried players playing?????? At right back and left back. Only one of our back four was over 6 foot, three were under 5’ 9’’ for fucks sake. We got done because we had no aerial prowess at the back and our full backs were rookies. Distin at times was defending in every postion.
It isn’t Moyes's fault that Yobo got concussion, Jagielka did his cruciates, that the otherwise injury-free Baines pulled up in the training session before the match or that Piennar was assaulted against Portsmouth. With those guys in the team there is no way we would have conceded the goals we did.
Benfica had a full strength side of internationals who have been scoring goals for fun we had 6 players on the pitch under 21, a half-fit Yakubu and a right back making his debut at left back.
I said before the game that we had to use some perspective... even Michael can see this for what it is. Unfortunately too many contributors on this site have no perspective or just can’t wait for any opportunity to kick the side.
It isn’t Moyes's fault that Yobo got concussion, Jagielka did his cruciates, that the otherwise injury-free Baines pulled up in the training session before the match or that Piennar was assaulted against Portsmouth. With those guys in the team there is no way we would have conceded the goals we did.
Benfica had a full strength side of internationals who have been scoring goals for fun we had 6 players on the pitch under 21, a half-fit Yakubu and a right back making his debut at left back.
I said before the game that we had to use some perspective... even Michael can see this for what it is. Unfortunately too many contributors on this site have no perspective or just can’t wait for any opportunity to kick the side.
For one reason or aother I missed the first half of the game so I can’t comment on that. I can comment on what I saw of the second, some are saying that the term ashamed is over the top, I was embarassed by the scoreline. The players simply did not look interested. If this is what we are relying on in terms of squad players then I would have preferred that we forfeited the game. The club now looks like a joke.
A result along the lines of last night is sadly inevitable when you are trying to "compete" in several competitions with 16 fit players.
However we had absolutely no balance, this was avoidable.
Coleman is a right full, Gosling is a right winger, Rodwell has played umpteen times at centre half.
And rumour has it Cahill can play centre-mid...
Distin can operate at left full.
No excuse for not trying to get more of a balance to the team.
I am not pro Moyes, but i am a realist. We cannot afford to sack him and back a new manager.
So hopefully he can lift us for Sunday and move on from this debacle.
Kenwright should be hounded out but he still has many apologists. He is running the club like a dictator.
The fans voice is gone.
Sell Cahill asap. He is rubbish.
However we had absolutely no balance, this was avoidable.
Coleman is a right full, Gosling is a right winger, Rodwell has played umpteen times at centre half.
And rumour has it Cahill can play centre-mid...
Distin can operate at left full.
No excuse for not trying to get more of a balance to the team.
I am not pro Moyes, but i am a realist. We cannot afford to sack him and back a new manager.
So hopefully he can lift us for Sunday and move on from this debacle.
Kenwright should be hounded out but he still has many apologists. He is running the club like a dictator.
The fans voice is gone.
Sell Cahill asap. He is rubbish.
Well, Stefan took me on about comments I made on another thread, and fair enough..... I accept that after the 3 goal blitz, we were never gonna come back.
But my point was that we still had 11 allegedly professional footballers out there, but they seemed unable to control the sodding ball.... unable to pass to a man in Blue..... some of those passes into acres of space - bereft of Everton players - were just laughable.
And I don’t for one second believe we were unlucky to lose 5-0 either
But my point was that we still had 11 allegedly professional footballers out there, but they seemed unable to control the sodding ball.... unable to pass to a man in Blue..... some of those passes into acres of space - bereft of Everton players - were just laughable.
And I don’t for one second believe we were unlucky to lose 5-0 either
Rob, since when was Gos a central midfielder. We signed him from Plymouth as a future right-back. Due to his attacking nature some people on this site decided he was a right midfielder, and even DM has tried him in that position but he was bought as a RB. Coleman is reportedly equally comfortable as a RB and LB so it is perfectly logical to play them that way around. I am not defending Moyes, I am just being logical.
"I have never ever been so ashamed to be an Everton supporter, never."
Can I ask how old you are Kieran?
I’m assuming you must be early teens or thereabouts? Because no serious long standing supporter would ever write such bollocks, having spent fuck knows how many years flirting with relegation and being tanked before Moyes arrived.
Get real, or get out more.
Can I ask how old you are Kieran?
I’m assuming you must be early teens or thereabouts? Because no serious long standing supporter would ever write such bollocks, having spent fuck knows how many years flirting with relegation and being tanked before Moyes arrived.
Get real, or get out more.
There is not too much to be disheartned about. In perspective
Baines, Yobo, Heitinga, Jagielka, Arteta, Vaugan, Neville, Pienaar, Osman, Neill and Anichebe all unavailable
And Yakabu is no where near 90 minutes match fit.
If even half of those above players where available there is no way they would beat us by 5.
I have normally been an advocate of Fellaini but last night he was shocking in every aspect - i dont think he is fit either.
And now im worrie about left back -as i eep saying in here there is no sufficient cover - So if Baines cant make it for sunday im guessing Lucas Neill???
Baines, Yobo, Heitinga, Jagielka, Arteta, Vaugan, Neville, Pienaar, Osman, Neill and Anichebe all unavailable
And Yakabu is no where near 90 minutes match fit.
If even half of those above players where available there is no way they would beat us by 5.
I have normally been an advocate of Fellaini but last night he was shocking in every aspect - i dont think he is fit either.
And now im worrie about left back -as i eep saying in here there is no sufficient cover - So if Baines cant make it for sunday im guessing Lucas Neill???
I think you will find Alan KirwIn we have been "tanked" the worst while Moyes has been in charge.
Kieran, It was a poor performance, and I don't go along with the injury excuse. As I have said on other sites, only Coleman is not recognized as a first teamer.We have to get sorted, and quick, and get a settled side asap.
After some of our previous performances, this result was expected, when we met a bit of class. Although what I saw in the highlughts, some goals were gifts.
After some of our previous performances, this result was expected, when we met a bit of class. Although what I saw in the highlughts, some goals were gifts.
Norman, what part of the back four, apart from Distin was playing in his correct position?
How can posters so blithely say, "I don’t go along with the injury excuse" when you look at the team we played?
Before some dope calls me a Moyes apologist, I am not saying this to defend Moyes, but the who thing that is Everton, the team and the scoreline, not just Moyes, which unfortuately some posters on her are unable to do.
Apart from the usual Cahill was invisible and Fellaini isn’t worth £15m, why have the players escaped the wrath of the furious? Is it all Moyes’s fault is it? Nothing to do with overpaid professionals not being able to hold a ball and pass it to a team mate?
How can posters so blithely say, "I don’t go along with the injury excuse" when you look at the team we played?
Before some dope calls me a Moyes apologist, I am not saying this to defend Moyes, but the who thing that is Everton, the team and the scoreline, not just Moyes, which unfortuately some posters on her are unable to do.
Apart from the usual Cahill was invisible and Fellaini isn’t worth £15m, why have the players escaped the wrath of the furious? Is it all Moyes’s fault is it? Nothing to do with overpaid professionals not being able to hold a ball and pass it to a team mate?
So we get tanked more under Moyes than any other manager.
Since the 2005-06 season Everton have conceded 5 or more goals in the Premier league once, the 6-1 defeat vs Arsenal. In the five years before he took over we conceded 5 or more goals 3 times.
If you count 4 goals as a tanking, since 05-06 we have lost 4-0 or 4-1 4 times, 3 of those actually in 05-06, Prior to Moyes it was 7 times in 5 seasons.
I haven’t researched cup games because of time restraints but I think that as a like to like comparison it is clear that we don’t get tanked anywhere near as much as some people think.
Since the 2005-06 season Everton have conceded 5 or more goals in the Premier league once, the 6-1 defeat vs Arsenal. In the five years before he took over we conceded 5 or more goals 3 times.
If you count 4 goals as a tanking, since 05-06 we have lost 4-0 or 4-1 4 times, 3 of those actually in 05-06, Prior to Moyes it was 7 times in 5 seasons.
I haven’t researched cup games because of time restraints but I think that as a like to like comparison it is clear that we don’t get tanked anywhere near as much as some people think.
Totally agree with Michael. This was a predictable result against one of the top Euro sides in their well known hostile environment. We just didn’t have the players available to get a result.
Having said that what we have to pick from for midfield positions is lacking to say the least as I have said on other occasions. This is why we struggle against good teams or teams that play very defensive. Arteta did make a difference on occasions but the rest don’t have it on a consistant basis and that is why the hoofball syndrome is used too much.
This has to be addressed in the January transfer window.
Steve, cough, 7-0, cough Arsenal cough
What a tit I am, serves me right for not reading the post fully. I take it back, the 7-0 drubbing was obviously the 2005 season
Tony, yeah, because I was using 5 years that one just slipped through the net.
Strange how his worst results are both against Arsenal.
Strange how his worst results are both against Arsenal.
Just a quick one: Distin can hold his head up, by far our best plyer last night.
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