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I didnt bother going to Lisbon for tonights game at Benfica. I had tickets, flights, hotels, money and all the boys were going but I just didn't fancy it. I had this horrible feeling that we where going to get mullered and I was right. I feel sorry for those who went through this ordeal.
I wont stick the boot in on any players because this result has been waiting to happen ever since the Arsenal game at Goodison in August. This was a typical result you get when a Moyes team meets a real footballing side. Not a Stoke or a Wolves but a proper footy team.
Don't think for a minute had Baines,Osman and Yobo been fit it would've been any different. Put simply, the way we play is suicide against quality sides who lap up the long ball and thrive on us not being able to retain possesion. The basics of football to be honest are just not there under Moyes.
I hope those of you who continue to think Moyes is a good coach take tonights result in and let it take its time to run through your mind. None of our lot can run with a ball, pass a ball, or cross a ball properly. Very rarely do we get shots on target and never ever score the kind of goals that Benfica did tonight. As a football unit we are total SHITE.
We can hide behind the injuries if you like but that doesnt hide the fact that any player who pulls on a Blue shirt should be capeable of the basics.
Should a player not be able to run pass and shoot with the ease that befits a proffesional player?
Benfica are good but not so good as to humiliate the 5th best team in England surely... With or without injuries, I don't think Villa or Spurs would've been such easy fodder as we were tonight
Moyes must take the blame because anyone with half a brain has seen this coming for weeks now. The only one who thinks this crap works is Davey Moyes. Does any one out there really think we deserve to grace the same pitch as teams like Benfica without the inevitable happening?
Tonight's football was like watching a Sci Fi movie in which Caveman armed with flint spears and stones fight a war with Spaceman who land in silver siuts firing Laser Guns. It was beyond belief how far behind Benfica we were tactically and how far behind thier players we are on a skill and sharpness level. Very frightning.
At least now maybe some of our lot will stop with the nonsensical belief that we can win this competiton. Apart from Benfica, there's Roma, Villarreal, Ajax and the teams who drop out of the CL to contend with.
Reagardless of if we go to the knockout stages or not, we have no chance whatsoever of winning a European trophy under Moyes. Like I said years ago, top European and proper footie sides will always wallop a team who can't retain possesion and who think Hoofball is an effective weapon.
We have great support that deserves more than this. Moyes is breaking every record there is as Everton manager and they are all bad.
Heaviest European defeat twice, Heaviest domestic defeats Home and away. Lowest ever goals tally and points tally for a season and some of the worst football ever seen.
It's Moyes'S side now and his and Round's pathetic tactics. Fellaini and Bily are his biggest buys and they don't look good enough. Where to now? ... I don't know but I reckon the smart money is on swerving Athens.
I can't take the pain or the shame any more.
Tony Marsh, Posted 22/10/2009 at 19:20:17
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Glad to see you didn’t take a short walk of an upper tier, Tony.
Spot on with your comments. Even to lose a game by 3 goals at this level is embarrasing, but to lose by 5, and not just once, represents the kind of scores we see in the FA Cup against non-league sides, and our loss today needs to be seen in that light.
Even if we are putting on youngsters then the gap of ability and capability between them and regular first-teamers should not be a fucking ocean. Moyes should have them trained and coached to fill-in when called upon, and clearly they are not ready. We can really only point to coaching.
I have harbored a notion about Moyes’ character - see, my dad was from the same kind of Glaswegian, and I have seen some clear parallels between them in their outlook to life: unbendable; ’you stick by me, son, and I’ll see you right’; piss me off once and you’re my enemy for life; I’ll show you; see you!; did I mention unbendable?
I can almost picture Moyes telling himself that that’s what happens when you have an injury list like ours - you lose 5-0, and see those doubters, thon 442 just dis’nae work. -- and he will believe that utterly, completely while he is unaware of his own impact. (Ah telt it like it is...).
There’s something wrong with the state of Everton.
Spot on with your comments. Even to lose a game by 3 goals at this level is embarrasing, but to lose by 5, and not just once, represents the kind of scores we see in the FA Cup against non-league sides, and our loss today needs to be seen in that light.
Even if we are putting on youngsters then the gap of ability and capability between them and regular first-teamers should not be a fucking ocean. Moyes should have them trained and coached to fill-in when called upon, and clearly they are not ready. We can really only point to coaching.
I have harbored a notion about Moyes’ character - see, my dad was from the same kind of Glaswegian, and I have seen some clear parallels between them in their outlook to life: unbendable; ’you stick by me, son, and I’ll see you right’; piss me off once and you’re my enemy for life; I’ll show you; see you!; did I mention unbendable?
I can almost picture Moyes telling himself that that’s what happens when you have an injury list like ours - you lose 5-0, and see those doubters, thon 442 just dis’nae work. -- and he will believe that utterly, completely while he is unaware of his own impact. (Ah telt it like it is...).
There’s something wrong with the state of Everton.
So when we beat Befica at Goodison errrr what then Tony. Befica were nothing special in the first half, and anybody can look great when they are 3-0 up. The zealots are so over the top. I have never ever seen a positive comment from you and there have been times when we’ve played some decent stuff. You had a feeling we’d get mullered.......it was an absolute certainty we would lose playing the reserves aginst a top euro team and away from home there’s only one logical conclusion.
I know were not playing good stuff at the minute and yes Moyes’s tactics are not always positive, so as many others have asked you what’s the answe, become a portsmouth or a bolton, or maybe a fulham they play decent stuff and will still finish behind us, we sure aint gonna be a tottenham or a man city without huge bucks, so Tony what’s the answer.........oh yeh give up wartching!
I know were not playing good stuff at the minute and yes Moyes’s tactics are not always positive, so as many others have asked you what’s the answe, become a portsmouth or a bolton, or maybe a fulham they play decent stuff and will still finish behind us, we sure aint gonna be a tottenham or a man city without huge bucks, so Tony what’s the answer.........oh yeh give up wartching!
There’s something wrong with the state of Everton. !!!!!
Well here is 2 things wrong with Everton from last night. Moyes and Round. Simply out of their depth. We play a decent side and get caught out.
There needs to be a major clear out at Everton with these two, and alot of he first team players moved on. Fellaini is shite. always has been and always will be, a panic buy of the highest order. However the real problem at Everton is Kenwright.
Well here is 2 things wrong with Everton from last night. Moyes and Round. Simply out of their depth. We play a decent side and get caught out.
There needs to be a major clear out at Everton with these two, and alot of he first team players moved on. Fellaini is shite. always has been and always will be, a panic buy of the highest order. However the real problem at Everton is Kenwright.
I thought we played well in the first half and was looking forward to the 2nd half until a crazy 300 seconds or so of football which ended the game as a contest.
It was always going to be tough with our major players missing, but lets get this into perspective, its a group game of the europa cup not the last 32, so we will still qualify I can guarantee you of that.
Once we have Pienaar, Arteta, Bily playing in midfield with Jags in defence then we should be judging the team, not now.
It was always going to be tough with our major players missing, but lets get this into perspective, its a group game of the europa cup not the last 32, so we will still qualify I can guarantee you of that.
Once we have Pienaar, Arteta, Bily playing in midfield with Jags in defence then we should be judging the team, not now.
Here’s how it works.
A squad.
Some players are better than others.
The best players play when they are fit.
When they are not the second string come in.
When the better players play the side does better.
When the second string come in the team does not do as well.
When most of the second string play against a team full of Brazillian and Argetinian Internationals away from home they get beat.
This is not rocket science.
Or may be it was because Toby Hibbert was playing (We can’t blame Osman for last night can we)?
Or........................ was it Moyes fault for not playing all those experienced players on the bench.
A squad.
Some players are better than others.
The best players play when they are fit.
When they are not the second string come in.
When the better players play the side does better.
When the second string come in the team does not do as well.
When most of the second string play against a team full of Brazillian and Argetinian Internationals away from home they get beat.
This is not rocket science.
Or may be it was because Toby Hibbert was playing (We can’t blame Osman for last night can we)?
Or........................ was it Moyes fault for not playing all those experienced players on the bench.
You do have to wonder how a coaching staff/management exclusively ex-defenders can’t put out a side to stifle a clearly stronger opponent. Teams do it all the time in cup tournaments, is this why our tactics are so rigid and we’re unable to change on the fly?
Can we send all the coaches off to observe what real coaches do? Or maybe get a few in that aren’t hoofing defenders?
Can we send all the coaches off to observe what real coaches do? Or maybe get a few in that aren’t hoofing defenders?
FFS some of you can’t wait , the same names that were screaming because they couldn’t get an FA Cup semi final / final ticket last season and singing Moyeses praises are now lining up to kick him because our 3rd team was beaten away from home by a Benfica team that’s beaten a multi million pound Man utd and Liverpool teams in the recent past .... " If Baines and Yobo had played we’d still have got hammered ???? " what a crock ... We did reasonably well in the 1st half and capitulated when they took advantage of the inexperience of Danny Gos at RB and Hibbo at CB which pulled Distin all over the place trying to cover for the only 3 defenders Moyes could have used . If Yobo and Baines had been there they’d never have scored 5 and at 1 - 0 we were still in with a shout ... The team will recover , our run of injuries cannot continue and if or when we reach another showcase final this season , I for one will go to watch them and know I won’t have a problem getting a ticket ..... the rats who are deserting because we’re going through an injury crisis won’t want one ... will you ?????
Howard, Hibbert, Distin, Cahill, Billy, Fellaini, Jo, Yakubu. For all the shite that everyone spouts about injuries, that side was still capable of putting in a performance surely? The amount spent on those players still amounted to a more expensive team than Benfica’s. So I really can’t see much defence for Moyes here.
I thought us playing in the Europa League was supposed to raise our profile and make us a more attractive club to prospective signings? A 5-0 thrashing is a total embarrassment to the club that remains now in the club’s history. Another unwanted Moyes record to go with biggest ever loss, worst ever goals scored record in a season and worst ever home defeat.
I thought us playing in the Europa League was supposed to raise our profile and make us a more attractive club to prospective signings? A 5-0 thrashing is a total embarrassment to the club that remains now in the club’s history. Another unwanted Moyes record to go with biggest ever loss, worst ever goals scored record in a season and worst ever home defeat.
It’s not a surprise is it Art, some people probably take pleasure from last night’s result so they can get the dig in.
Get real lads, when they come to Goodison another RB will put Di Maria in the stands within the first 10 minutes, you won’t see him again.
These are the same people spouting "why doesn’t Moyes give this lad Coleman a try, he’s got to be better than...".
Get real lads, when they come to Goodison another RB will put Di Maria in the stands within the first 10 minutes, you won’t see him again.
These are the same people spouting "why doesn’t Moyes give this lad Coleman a try, he’s got to be better than...".
Tony, I have often thought as you as an embelisher of the truth but I cannot accept that anyone who has got the match and plane ticket and hotel booked for an Euro game refused to go because there is achance we may get beat. You lost me after that first sentence because after reading that bullshit I thought why bother reading on.
I didn’t see the game last night, thank God, as I was in college but as soon as my mate texted me the team I knew we were on a hiding to nothing and was hoping for a scrappy, ugly resuly like the one at Bate.....we all know the rest.
It’s comical that you believe it has nothing to do with the 11 first teamers being unavialable but everything to do with Moyes, absolutely comical. There are probably some posters on here that generally agree with your rants but I would imagine even they would look at this one and think, "He’s finally lost it"
If most of us thought about not going the match if the treat of a defeat was in the air, Goodison would be empty most weeks.
I actually thought you would be happy because don’t you think we shouldn’t be arsed about this cup anyway?
I didn’t see the game last night, thank God, as I was in college but as soon as my mate texted me the team I knew we were on a hiding to nothing and was hoping for a scrappy, ugly resuly like the one at Bate.....we all know the rest.
It’s comical that you believe it has nothing to do with the 11 first teamers being unavialable but everything to do with Moyes, absolutely comical. There are probably some posters on here that generally agree with your rants but I would imagine even they would look at this one and think, "He’s finally lost it"
If most of us thought about not going the match if the treat of a defeat was in the air, Goodison would be empty most weeks.
I actually thought you would be happy because don’t you think we shouldn’t be arsed about this cup anyway?
As i have said on another similar thread that performance was a fucking disgrace!
Moyes should be sacked end of.
Moyes should be sacked end of.
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY MOYES COULD NOT SEE THIS BALANCED FORMATION??!!
this is the 3rd time i’ve posted this now........almost as predictable as moyes
Howard
Hibbert Rodwell Distin Billy
Gosling Cahill Fellaini Jo
Yak Saha
this is the 3rd time i’ve posted this now........almost as predictable as moyes
Howard
Hibbert Rodwell Distin Billy
Gosling Cahill Fellaini Jo
Yak Saha
Bring back Walter Smith i say. Its all Moyes fault we now finish an average 10 to 12 places higher than we did under Smith and actually now get to regularly play european mtaches!
God i miss those days of relegation battles!
God i miss those days of relegation battles!
Am I the only one who hasn’t lost faith? Who realises that last night was a UEFA cup group stage match that we were never going to win anyway?
Last nights injury list wasn’t just extensive, it was fatal. Having three of the back four out of position with one making a senior debut didn’t give us much hope going into the game.
Are the ’as soon as we come up against proper sides’ etc brigade so shortsighted as not to see the mitigating circumstances of last nights match? I thought so.... A bunch of despicable glory hunters who probably only follow EFC now because of the relative success that DM has brought to the club.
Last nights injury list wasn’t just extensive, it was fatal. Having three of the back four out of position with one making a senior debut didn’t give us much hope going into the game.
Are the ’as soon as we come up against proper sides’ etc brigade so shortsighted as not to see the mitigating circumstances of last nights match? I thought so.... A bunch of despicable glory hunters who probably only follow EFC now because of the relative success that DM has brought to the club.
David Moyes has done well for Everton but it just now looks as though he has hit a brick wall and this time he is not going to get through it, and I’m starting to think that the same thing is happening to Tim Cahill. What is the solution? If we had some financial clout then I’d say it’s time for changes, but we don’t so what do we do? I fear a season that will come to a halt in about February that will see us limp into a mid tableish finish, no European football next season and a Chairman left with some pretty major decisions to make if we are not to take a permanent backward step.
Stupid comment Malcolm.
Since when did keeping out of relegation battles be considered success for Everton?
Embarrassed in Europe again by a team who can actually play football why does that sound so familar. Moyes is out of his depth. The Football being offered up by Everton recently is no better than in the 90’s.
Since when did keeping out of relegation battles be considered success for Everton?
Embarrassed in Europe again by a team who can actually play football why does that sound so familar. Moyes is out of his depth. The Football being offered up by Everton recently is no better than in the 90’s.
Jon and for the record i supported Everton long before Moyes so you can’t tar me with that brush.
Once we get so and so back, the other fellah back..........for goodness sake! Alan Clarke is spot on, there were eight established first teamers out there last night. Tony is right- we will have this every time we come up against a decent footballing side. Moyes is well past his sell by date and this Football Club is heading for the Championship because one thing is for sure;whilst it’s more open than ever at the top of the Prem,conversely it’s more open at the other end too.But at least we’ve got a chance to scratch a point at fellow Hoofers Bolton on Sunday and if we do manage it the Moyes supporters will declare that everything is back on track! Pathetic.
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Jon Gorman - attended my first game at Goodison in the 63/64 season and a regular ever since.Season ticket holder since 1982. I’ll say it again, every time we meet a decent footballing side we will be found out.If we have managed to attract some "glory hunters" on the back of the success Moyes has brought to this Club then I feel very sorry for the poor bastards and would seriously question their logic,given the options available!
Get real Tony,
Do you seriously think Spurs or Villa could do any better if missing 12 of there better players
Or for that matter Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool?
No teams can cope with that many players out, lets see Benfica come to Goodison missing so many players against our 1st eleven and see the result.
Don’t get me wrong I agree some of our football is terrible at times but last nights game has to be put into context, that really is not a reflection of what we are capable of.
Do you seriously think Spurs or Villa could do any better if missing 12 of there better players
Or for that matter Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool?
No teams can cope with that many players out, lets see Benfica come to Goodison missing so many players against our 1st eleven and see the result.
Don’t get me wrong I agree some of our football is terrible at times but last nights game has to be put into context, that really is not a reflection of what we are capable of.
Tony Williams, did you see those fans leaving the stadium when the 4th went in with around 40 minutes left to play? Well I didn't want to be one of those. I have lost having pride in Everton because of Moyes and the way we play.
I didn't want to be amongst 7,000 Evertonians, who deserve medals by the way, sitting in a spectacular ground like the Stadium Of Light watching Moyes's inept tactics getting us torn to shreds. I have had enough heartache watching Everton and not one of my pals who went over there have enjoyed it. In fact every one I have spoke to wished they never bothered as they are scared for life, but hey you enjoyed it so we must all be wrong.
You talk a load of bollocks not me. If you can find any positives in that shite then good on you lad. One day you might just see the light.
I didn't want to be amongst 7,000 Evertonians, who deserve medals by the way, sitting in a spectacular ground like the Stadium Of Light watching Moyes's inept tactics getting us torn to shreds. I have had enough heartache watching Everton and not one of my pals who went over there have enjoyed it. In fact every one I have spoke to wished they never bothered as they are scared for life, but hey you enjoyed it so we must all be wrong.
You talk a load of bollocks not me. If you can find any positives in that shite then good on you lad. One day you might just see the light.
Johnny - that last part made me laugh thanks : )
"glory hunters" don’t usually pick teams who haven’t won anything for over a Decade!
"glory hunters" don’t usually pick teams who haven’t won anything for over a Decade!
James Stewart - Stupid comment why? Who said what we are achieving now is success? I didnt! I was simply saying since Moyes arrived we have been doing a hell of a lot better than in the preceding 15 years, bar one cup final!
The simple fact of it is we are not a top 4 team anymore and we wont be until we get some proper investment!
Put SAF in charge, put Capello in charge we still wont finish any higher than 5th without some proper money to spend!
The simple fact of it is we are not a top 4 team anymore and we wont be until we get some proper investment!
Put SAF in charge, put Capello in charge we still wont finish any higher than 5th without some proper money to spend!
Moyes should be horse-whipped around the streets of Liverpool for this latest addition to his ever expanding litany of shameful superlatives. As T Marsh rightly points out, this guy is breaking records for shameful results for this club.
I don’t give a rat’s ass how many players were out injured. The team chosen last night were all disgustingly well paid professional footballers and yet none, except possibly Bilyaletdinov, could perform any of the fundamentals right. Tony Marsh and others who share his position keep returning to this point because it is at the crux of the whole rotten matter. To reiterate for the terminally stupid, (1) professional footballers should have a semblance of ability in ball retention, and (2) cannot make any consistently menacing incursions against a modern, well-drilled defence by playing this vile, ugly, schoolyard hoofball. Moyes in all his tenure has consistently failed to address this glaring problem, whether in coaching or in player acquisition.
Which brings me to Fellaini. What is the point in this talentless totem pole? Pass him the ball and his first instinct is to get rid of it like it’s a vial of bubonic plague. He doesn’t know who he’s passing it to with his first touch - just as long as he’s no longer responsible for doing anything with it. £15 million for that??? From a side with Defour and Witzel in it, whom Moyes thought less worthy of a £15 million punt on at the time???
But what maddens me most is Moyes seems so accepting of this gutless, supine, flaccid, pub team performance: "the players did everything they could". He’s fucking well exonerating this shit which means we can expect more of the same from these millionaire losers while he’s in charge - and the players can swan around their mansions without even worrying about being brought to task for monumental fuck-ups like that which 7,000 hard-working fans paid hard-earned cash to travel to see. A fucking disgrace from start to finish. Moyes, if you had any decency left, you’d make sure you and the players refunded those people and then you’d do the decent thing and get the fuck out of this club before you break any more records for shittiness.
I don’t give a rat’s ass how many players were out injured. The team chosen last night were all disgustingly well paid professional footballers and yet none, except possibly Bilyaletdinov, could perform any of the fundamentals right. Tony Marsh and others who share his position keep returning to this point because it is at the crux of the whole rotten matter. To reiterate for the terminally stupid, (1) professional footballers should have a semblance of ability in ball retention, and (2) cannot make any consistently menacing incursions against a modern, well-drilled defence by playing this vile, ugly, schoolyard hoofball. Moyes in all his tenure has consistently failed to address this glaring problem, whether in coaching or in player acquisition.
Which brings me to Fellaini. What is the point in this talentless totem pole? Pass him the ball and his first instinct is to get rid of it like it’s a vial of bubonic plague. He doesn’t know who he’s passing it to with his first touch - just as long as he’s no longer responsible for doing anything with it. £15 million for that??? From a side with Defour and Witzel in it, whom Moyes thought less worthy of a £15 million punt on at the time???
But what maddens me most is Moyes seems so accepting of this gutless, supine, flaccid, pub team performance: "the players did everything they could". He’s fucking well exonerating this shit which means we can expect more of the same from these millionaire losers while he’s in charge - and the players can swan around their mansions without even worrying about being brought to task for monumental fuck-ups like that which 7,000 hard-working fans paid hard-earned cash to travel to see. A fucking disgrace from start to finish. Moyes, if you had any decency left, you’d make sure you and the players refunded those people and then you’d do the decent thing and get the fuck out of this club before you break any more records for shittiness.
Good job he didn’t pay £15m for him then isn’t it Jay - and don’t expect Moyes public statements to reflect what is said behind closed doors.
You would like to see the back of Moyes because no team he has ever lead out onto the pitch has ever shown the ability to pass the ball, retain possession and play pretty football. So who would you have replace him, and no it isn’t your job to find a new manager, but I am sure that people like you and Tony Marsh have some ideas as to the sort of Manager you would like to see at the club, Phil Brown perhaps, or Sam Allardyce, maybe Keegan (he like passing football), what about Tony Mowbray, Steve Bruce (he’s done great stuff at Sunderland), Roy Keane, Mick McCarthy (after all Wolves were much more comfortable than us)
Whilst recent performances have been poor please don’t forget Fiorentina at Goodison, even this season we have played well at times. DM has put together a team that can and has played the sort of football you want. He has made bad purchases, as has every other manager on the planet.
Unfortunately some people don’t seem to accept the fact that a team without its main passing players can’t play a flowing passing game. If you watch these teams you want us to be like they have a few main players that control the play, take short passes from the less technically able players and then dispatch the pass forward, take these players away and the fluidity goes, the passing starts to go astray, and the games become boring to watch.
You would like to see the back of Moyes because no team he has ever lead out onto the pitch has ever shown the ability to pass the ball, retain possession and play pretty football. So who would you have replace him, and no it isn’t your job to find a new manager, but I am sure that people like you and Tony Marsh have some ideas as to the sort of Manager you would like to see at the club, Phil Brown perhaps, or Sam Allardyce, maybe Keegan (he like passing football), what about Tony Mowbray, Steve Bruce (he’s done great stuff at Sunderland), Roy Keane, Mick McCarthy (after all Wolves were much more comfortable than us)
Whilst recent performances have been poor please don’t forget Fiorentina at Goodison, even this season we have played well at times. DM has put together a team that can and has played the sort of football you want. He has made bad purchases, as has every other manager on the planet.
Unfortunately some people don’t seem to accept the fact that a team without its main passing players can’t play a flowing passing game. If you watch these teams you want us to be like they have a few main players that control the play, take short passes from the less technically able players and then dispatch the pass forward, take these players away and the fluidity goes, the passing starts to go astray, and the games become boring to watch.
I’ve lost count of the number of times we have been hammered while Moyes has been in charge. It doesn’t matter who is fit or not the one thing that is for certain, it will happen again. Because Moyes’ coaching and tactics are pathetic and signings like the 15m Fellaini have made us weaker as a team not stronger. I’ll say it again he has no pace, no engine, can’t tackle, can’t take a man on, can’t shoot, has no engine and doesn’t stick with the man he should be marking. And while he’s in the team he ruins Cahill’s game. Only an idiot like Mayes can spend £15m to actually make the team weaker.
I also can’t help thinking that Moyes has made some very poor signings so far recently. I’m fed up of reading about how brilliant Fellaini is. He’s absolutely awful, he can’t get near the ball when an opponent has it and so gets frustrated by kicking out and his workrate is very poor, surely we could have brought in a better alternative for the amount of money we had to spend on him. Also its killing me to see Moyes playing Fellaini in Cahill’s position and so destroying undoubtedly one of our most important and effective weapons of the past few years which is Tim Cahill.
Last night was a night where the big players had to step up and Fellaini did not justify himself playing in the middle ahead of Cahill. I’d also like to say how poor and casual Jo is and him coming out saying ’I’m happy to stay at Everton’ should be thrown back in his face at the end of the season, because he’s kidding himself if he thinks we are going to pay over £5million for him. The other most recent signing is Bily and I know its early to judge but he looks like he has a good left foot and that is it, he doesn’t seem to work back, gets injured and we have paid 9 million for a winger who does not have the pace to beat a man, what does Moyes have against players with pace. It’s no wonder we are last on match of the day because we get rid of flair players who make us convincing and good to watch like Fernandes and sign the likes of Fellaini. Not to mention that the right back position has still not been improved because he’s signed Heitinga to play there who’s best position is a centre back so no we have now got 4 top quality centre backs but only average right backs and only one left back.
Last night was a night where the big players had to step up and Fellaini did not justify himself playing in the middle ahead of Cahill. I’d also like to say how poor and casual Jo is and him coming out saying ’I’m happy to stay at Everton’ should be thrown back in his face at the end of the season, because he’s kidding himself if he thinks we are going to pay over £5million for him. The other most recent signing is Bily and I know its early to judge but he looks like he has a good left foot and that is it, he doesn’t seem to work back, gets injured and we have paid 9 million for a winger who does not have the pace to beat a man, what does Moyes have against players with pace. It’s no wonder we are last on match of the day because we get rid of flair players who make us convincing and good to watch like Fernandes and sign the likes of Fellaini. Not to mention that the right back position has still not been improved because he’s signed Heitinga to play there who’s best position is a centre back so no we have now got 4 top quality centre backs but only average right backs and only one left back.
Forget it Steve, most of the posters of Marshy’s ilk are so entrenched in the view that he man is the Devil incarnate they will not listen to the justification that when you have no creative players there will be no creativity in the game and when you are missing a whole host of players, you can’t use that as an excuse. Rafa can and he can also blame the board. Some of the deadheads over the park are now calling for his head because this is the worst run of results for them in over 20 years (50 if they lose on Sunday, then they have Arsenal ha ha) The man pushed Man Ure close last season for the title yet those dope want him gone because he has lost 3 in the league.
You have them at every club, we seemingly more than most.
Jay, you say you "don’t give a rat’s ass how many players were out injured", why not? Surely this is the reason why we suffered out biggest European defeat. If we had less injuries and our usual settled back four, do you honestly think we would have been trounced so badly? I don’t but then again I try to take everything into consideration not just look at the final score and start screaming bloody murder.
You have them at every club, we seemingly more than most.
Jay, you say you "don’t give a rat’s ass how many players were out injured", why not? Surely this is the reason why we suffered out biggest European defeat. If we had less injuries and our usual settled back four, do you honestly think we would have been trounced so badly? I don’t but then again I try to take everything into consideration not just look at the final score and start screaming bloody murder.
It really is very dull the way that so many people speak in tabloid headlines. After pretty much every match we are worldbeaters or a disgrace, its never been better/worse to be an Evertonian, x is the best/worst player to pull on a shirt etc etc - the use of absolutes and superlatives turns sense into nonsense.
Also all the trotting of stats eg presiding over our worst ever defeats in Europe - I would also guess that Moyes has presided over the most games in Europe, the most wins etc etc - so what?
As far as I’m concerned last night we lost a relatively unimportant game (given the previous European results and the fixture congestion coming up) that we were always likely to lose with what was a virtual reserve team. We just lost it by 2-3 more goals than I expected but a loss is a loss anyway - but that view doesnt satisfy some people’s need to be seen to feel the "agony" or "ecstasy" more than anyone else can...
As for not being able to "take the shame" - get a grip. The only times I’ve ever been ashamed to be an Evertonian were a few years back when massed ranks were chanting "trigger" and "everton are white"
Also all the trotting of stats eg presiding over our worst ever defeats in Europe - I would also guess that Moyes has presided over the most games in Europe, the most wins etc etc - so what?
As far as I’m concerned last night we lost a relatively unimportant game (given the previous European results and the fixture congestion coming up) that we were always likely to lose with what was a virtual reserve team. We just lost it by 2-3 more goals than I expected but a loss is a loss anyway - but that view doesnt satisfy some people’s need to be seen to feel the "agony" or "ecstasy" more than anyone else can...
As for not being able to "take the shame" - get a grip. The only times I’ve ever been ashamed to be an Evertonian were a few years back when massed ranks were chanting "trigger" and "everton are white"
Bollocks. If we had every single player we have available they would've battered Benfica... they took advantage of the fact that we had a supremely makeshift team so well done them, with Jagielka, Arteta, Pienaar, Neville, Heitinga, Neill, Yobo, Vaughan, Anichebe, hell even Osman all available, they would've been lucky to get a draw out of us.
Do think about it, even without a full squad we smashed a full stregth AEK Athens team to bits. Say what you want about the players who did play but if you have ever played football you’ll know that if you have only 5 players playing who would make the starting 11 if everyone was fit then there is nothing they could of done you need 11 vs 11 in any game let alone this level of football not 5 vs 11.
First of all I've got to say Sharpy was spot on last night giving the MotM award to our magnificent fans, the support we take with us away in the Prem and Europe is something we should be proud of and deserves a lot more than the shite we got last nite!
I'm not going to jump on the Moyes & Round slagging off bandwagon, at the end of the day we had two untried full backs going into what must of been a fearsome stadium and Benfica gleefully exposed our shortcomings. What pissed me off was the people you would expect a lot more effort from, Cahill, Felli, Rodwell, Distin etc came up short too many times.... and don't even get me started on Jo, as my mate said last night, ’Is he fuck Brazilian, he’s from St Helens’!! We need to get him out of a blue shirt asap!!
I still feel that when we get the backbone of our team back we will come good, but again it's the lack of depth when we are short that keeps getting exposed. Fully fit we have a great squad, but I just can't believe our luck at the moment, I feel so sorry for Moyes and the backroom staff; no other Premier League club has had to endure what our treatment table has, and that's where the problems lie this season, too many out through injury!
I'm not going to jump on the Moyes & Round slagging off bandwagon, at the end of the day we had two untried full backs going into what must of been a fearsome stadium and Benfica gleefully exposed our shortcomings. What pissed me off was the people you would expect a lot more effort from, Cahill, Felli, Rodwell, Distin etc came up short too many times.... and don't even get me started on Jo, as my mate said last night, ’Is he fuck Brazilian, he’s from St Helens’!! We need to get him out of a blue shirt asap!!
I still feel that when we get the backbone of our team back we will come good, but again it's the lack of depth when we are short that keeps getting exposed. Fully fit we have a great squad, but I just can't believe our luck at the moment, I feel so sorry for Moyes and the backroom staff; no other Premier League club has had to endure what our treatment table has, and that's where the problems lie this season, too many out through injury!
And do you all really expect a fully flowing passing team with the likes of Arteta and Pienaar out? ... Come on, lads! Hopefully Arteta & Jags are back sooner rather than later, and the likes of Pienaar and the others are back asap because we really need them! COYB!!!!!
It was like paying a lot of money to watch someone like, U2, and when you got there, a tribute band came out.
Moyes had no intention to play he,s strongest side, he,s mind was on the Bolton game, if he had come out and said it, we would not have got as many supporters going to Lisbon.
We will have to wait till sunday to see if i am right or wrong.
Moyes had no intention to play he,s strongest side, he,s mind was on the Bolton game, if he had come out and said it, we would not have got as many supporters going to Lisbon.
We will have to wait till sunday to see if i am right or wrong.
Was going to resist picking on some of the line by line inanities but can’t help reacting to this one.
"Like I said years ago, top European and proper footie sides will always wallop a team who can’t retain possesion and who think Hoofball is an effective weapon".
2004 European Champions - Greece (the ultimate hard working limited footballing side) beating the "proper footie" sides of France, Czech Rep and Portugal on the way.
I’m not saying I like it but limited footballing ambition frequently triumphs over beautiful football.
"Like I said years ago, top European and proper footie sides will always wallop a team who can’t retain possesion and who think Hoofball is an effective weapon".
2004 European Champions - Greece (the ultimate hard working limited footballing side) beating the "proper footie" sides of France, Czech Rep and Portugal on the way.
I’m not saying I like it but limited footballing ambition frequently triumphs over beautiful football.
Where did 4 of the 5 goals come from last night? A cross from the their left wing to the back post. Where were our 2 weakest untried players playing?????? At right back and left back. Only one of our back four was over 6 foot, three were under 5’ 9’’ for fucks sake. We got done because we had no aerial prowess at the back and our full backs were rookies. Distin at times was defending in every postion.
It isn’t moyes fault that Yobo got concussion, Jagielka did his cruciates, that the otherwise injury free Baines pulled up in the training session before the match or that Piennar was assaulted against Portsmouth. With those guys in the team there is no way we would have conceded the goals we did.
Benfica had a full strength side of internationals who have been scoring goals for fun we had 6 players on the pitch under twenty one a half fit Yakubu and a right back making his debut at left back.
I said before the game that we had to use some perspective...even Michael can see this for what it is. Unfortunately too many contributors on this site have no perspective or just can’t wait for any opportunity to kick the side.
It isn’t moyes fault that Yobo got concussion, Jagielka did his cruciates, that the otherwise injury free Baines pulled up in the training session before the match or that Piennar was assaulted against Portsmouth. With those guys in the team there is no way we would have conceded the goals we did.
Benfica had a full strength side of internationals who have been scoring goals for fun we had 6 players on the pitch under twenty one a half fit Yakubu and a right back making his debut at left back.
I said before the game that we had to use some perspective...even Michael can see this for what it is. Unfortunately too many contributors on this site have no perspective or just can’t wait for any opportunity to kick the side.
I can’t understand the attitudes of Damian and Tony W who persistently find excuses for the mediocrity and dire football that has gripped our club - injuries, lack of resources, too many games, look at Liverpool etc. At what point does it tip for you guys? At what point do you wake up and realise we’re in the shit? Perhaps you’d feel different Tony if you actually watched it or if you’d have been one of the thousands who spent their hard earned money travelling to Portugal.
Evertonians are a passionate bunch and I am extremely proud to be one. Damian, you must realise there is a difference between the team putting in a shameful performance and being ashamed of Everton?
Evertonians are a passionate bunch and I am extremely proud to be one. Damian, you must realise there is a difference between the team putting in a shameful performance and being ashamed of Everton?
Alan, it is only a game of football. Other things are more important. I watched the game...was gutted and then I read my daughter a story and put her to bed. I got over it a watched In treatment on the TV. It’s that simple really.
Tony, Moyes can take the blame for losing 5-0, but he can also take the blame for spanking the Greeks 4-0
Alan - please let me know where I make excuses for mediocrity.
Yes I understand the difference - I was responding to a direct quote that ends the original posting "I can’t take the pain or the shame any more"
Yes I understand the difference - I was responding to a direct quote that ends the original posting "I can’t take the pain or the shame any more"
Sorry I wasnt around last night to witness things so not 100% sure on the formation but why does Moyes think playing 1 striker at home against Wolves and then playing 2 away at benfica is the way forward? Surely shoring things up a bit with a lone forward would have been a sensible approach? Were there any positive performances?
I agree with Alan Clarke - the side we had out cost more than Benficas and we suffer our heaviest defeat in Europe. We have no chance of winning anything under Moyes - he is so old fashioned, so defensive and plays Division 2 style football which shouldn't be good enough for any genuine Evertonian. Last night was a disgrace, an embarrassment and Moyes was responsible. End of.
I listened to the game and we were under the cosh from the off. Some of you will say that it is somehow that they know Moyes’ team is poor. We are playing poorly and we have an horrendous amount of injuries, and the two are definitely linked.
Above all the few players we have that can create and are missing. I thought we needed an extra CB before the transfer deadline - I was right.
But it's creativity and control we need more than anything. Pienaar and Arteta were bought for £4m. It is amazing, but we need a third player and it will cost big money. We should replace Fellaini. He was brought in to be a deep-lying midfielder. He should be confident, assured and have a telling pass. Sell him and add on a few million to get someone from Benfica, get Moutinho. Do it!
I would also cash in Hibbert - but not Osman. Use the cash from Hibbert to get an extra CB.
For Pity’s Sake, sans Arteta, we are average.
Above all the few players we have that can create and are missing. I thought we needed an extra CB before the transfer deadline - I was right.
But it's creativity and control we need more than anything. Pienaar and Arteta were bought for £4m. It is amazing, but we need a third player and it will cost big money. We should replace Fellaini. He was brought in to be a deep-lying midfielder. He should be confident, assured and have a telling pass. Sell him and add on a few million to get someone from Benfica, get Moutinho. Do it!
I would also cash in Hibbert - but not Osman. Use the cash from Hibbert to get an extra CB.
For Pity’s Sake, sans Arteta, we are average.
Of course it did Mick because premier league teams have to spend big as they are perceived to have loads of money. We also can’t get our hands on the cheaper alternatives in South America like Benfica have in their team because of work permit issues.
And Mark...you’re absolutely right...why would Moyes want to have as many senior players on the field as possible when he could have given a few sixteen year old midfielders their debut.
Honestly the blind hatred of all things Moyes on this site is staggering. With a proper back 4 and piennar in midfield we beat AEK athens 4-0...made them look ordinary in their next match they beat Benfica. We just played Benfica in their own back yard without a defence...we were always going to get beat and nothing Moyes could have done - bar play all our 11 players on our goal line - could have prevented it and then a shot probably would have gone in over Goslings head.
And Mark...you’re absolutely right...why would Moyes want to have as many senior players on the field as possible when he could have given a few sixteen year old midfielders their debut.
Honestly the blind hatred of all things Moyes on this site is staggering. With a proper back 4 and piennar in midfield we beat AEK athens 4-0...made them look ordinary in their next match they beat Benfica. We just played Benfica in their own back yard without a defence...we were always going to get beat and nothing Moyes could have done - bar play all our 11 players on our goal line - could have prevented it and then a shot probably would have gone in over Goslings head.
Alan, what don’t you understand about looking at the game/season as a whole? Instead of blowing your top after a truly terrible result, look at why that result come about. Surely even the most ardent haters of Moyes can see that with the list of injuries we have and the players who are injured means we are a poor side.
I have consistently stated the same thing over and over again, yet it never sinks in. If our creative players are out we will not be creative on the pitch, it’s not rocket science is it?
I have also stated many times that we are not that good of a team, period but we occassionally put together decent runs and have done alright the past few years, yet if I offer a suggestion why we lost a certain game or in such a manner as last night I am automatically an apologist for Moyes. I am usually speaking about Everton per se, not just Moyes, but some people are so pent up in their hatred for him they cannot abide any reasoning, it’s just Moyes’s fault and that’s it.
I have consistently stated the same thing over and over again, yet it never sinks in. If our creative players are out we will not be creative on the pitch, it’s not rocket science is it?
I have also stated many times that we are not that good of a team, period but we occassionally put together decent runs and have done alright the past few years, yet if I offer a suggestion why we lost a certain game or in such a manner as last night I am automatically an apologist for Moyes. I am usually speaking about Everton per se, not just Moyes, but some people are so pent up in their hatred for him they cannot abide any reasoning, it’s just Moyes’s fault and that’s it.
What a load of bollocks.
I am really not that bothered by last night.
Have we lost an important game?
No. Previous results mean we had already pretty much made qualification safe so plenty of games left to get the few points we need.
Was it even the most important game this week?
No. Bolton and Spurs are more important. Every Premier League point is important until (sometimes) the last few games. Beating Spurs would put us 3 wins away from the trophy. Regardless of what anyone thinks about history, we have only 15 tiles, which works out at roughly one title every 8 years, so they are always a rare pleasure, not just since 1987.
Does the result prove that our team is crap and can’t acheive our aims for the rest of the season?
No. It was a reserve match, so it doesn’t tell us anything about how good our first team is. A reminder that this defence wasn’t playing:
Baines, Jagielka, Yobo, Heitinger
... and this midfield wasn’t playing:
Pienaar, Arteta, Neville, Osman.
Most of these players will be available for the bulk of the remainder of the season.
Finally "we don’t care what the RS say". Anyway, Glass houses and all that.
So... what’s the problem? Chill.
I am really not that bothered by last night.
Have we lost an important game?
No. Previous results mean we had already pretty much made qualification safe so plenty of games left to get the few points we need.
Was it even the most important game this week?
No. Bolton and Spurs are more important. Every Premier League point is important until (sometimes) the last few games. Beating Spurs would put us 3 wins away from the trophy. Regardless of what anyone thinks about history, we have only 15 tiles, which works out at roughly one title every 8 years, so they are always a rare pleasure, not just since 1987.
Does the result prove that our team is crap and can’t acheive our aims for the rest of the season?
No. It was a reserve match, so it doesn’t tell us anything about how good our first team is. A reminder that this defence wasn’t playing:
Baines, Jagielka, Yobo, Heitinger
... and this midfield wasn’t playing:
Pienaar, Arteta, Neville, Osman.
Most of these players will be available for the bulk of the remainder of the season.
Finally "we don’t care what the RS say". Anyway, Glass houses and all that.
So... what’s the problem? Chill.
I saw it this way.
We were without a whole team of players, including:
- Our playmaker & best player
- Our other playmaker & 2nd best player
- Our best defender
- 1 of only 2 remaining central defenders
- Our captain & regular inspirer
- Our best/only left back
- 2 strong young forwards
Given all of that, I was actually surprised in the first half to see us take the game to them in the way we did. For long periods we bossed the game. Had Billy’s fantastic volley been 2 feet lower this could have been a different conversation.
We had a collapse in 5 mins of the 2nd half. It all looks bad, but hard analysis can be useful. 3 of their goals came because we had a young lad making his debut and who was up against their best player who has a £40m buyout clause in his contract. It’s not news that young Coleman was caught out of position more than once by such good players. If we’d had Baines & Pienaar on the left then this would almost certainly not have happened.
We will still qualify from this group. In the unlikely event that we have a few players back when Benfica cone to Goodison we could even still win the group.
Drubbings are always hard to take. But you have to look a the full context. Those on this thread who slag Moyes off for the team he put out really have to be taking the piss. He has to juggle his squad to play 3 games in 6 days with 11 of his very best players unavailable. What the fuck did you expect him to do?
I’m over it already. I’m still not satisfied with how we’re playing generally and how Moyes approaches games, definitely case to answer. However, I actually thought we displayed more attacking instinct and offensive play in the first half in Lisbon than I have seen all season in the league.
A team with Arteta, Pienaar, Jagielka and first choice full backs would have fared rather differently. We’re still in the Europa League and will get better. Of more concern has to be our injury list and how the fuck we can put 11 players out on Sunday AND Tuesday. I wonder which game the whinging fraternity believe Moyes should focus on out of Bolton & Spurs? You can be sure that, in the eyes of some, whichever one Moyes is seen as favouring will be the wrong one.
12 years ago Man Utd lost 3 consecutive league games, including hammerings of 5-0 and 6-3 in the space of a week. It didn’t stop them winning the league. Aberrations do not a bad team make (or a bad reserve team for that matter). Despite a decent unbeaten run before last night, we’re having a bit of a shitty time right now and it’s in the main down to injuries. We will come through. We usually do.
As for the broader debate on Moyes, tactics etc, different issue, different thread.
We were without a whole team of players, including:
- Our playmaker & best player
- Our other playmaker & 2nd best player
- Our best defender
- 1 of only 2 remaining central defenders
- Our captain & regular inspirer
- Our best/only left back
- 2 strong young forwards
Given all of that, I was actually surprised in the first half to see us take the game to them in the way we did. For long periods we bossed the game. Had Billy’s fantastic volley been 2 feet lower this could have been a different conversation.
We had a collapse in 5 mins of the 2nd half. It all looks bad, but hard analysis can be useful. 3 of their goals came because we had a young lad making his debut and who was up against their best player who has a £40m buyout clause in his contract. It’s not news that young Coleman was caught out of position more than once by such good players. If we’d had Baines & Pienaar on the left then this would almost certainly not have happened.
We will still qualify from this group. In the unlikely event that we have a few players back when Benfica cone to Goodison we could even still win the group.
Drubbings are always hard to take. But you have to look a the full context. Those on this thread who slag Moyes off for the team he put out really have to be taking the piss. He has to juggle his squad to play 3 games in 6 days with 11 of his very best players unavailable. What the fuck did you expect him to do?
I’m over it already. I’m still not satisfied with how we’re playing generally and how Moyes approaches games, definitely case to answer. However, I actually thought we displayed more attacking instinct and offensive play in the first half in Lisbon than I have seen all season in the league.
A team with Arteta, Pienaar, Jagielka and first choice full backs would have fared rather differently. We’re still in the Europa League and will get better. Of more concern has to be our injury list and how the fuck we can put 11 players out on Sunday AND Tuesday. I wonder which game the whinging fraternity believe Moyes should focus on out of Bolton & Spurs? You can be sure that, in the eyes of some, whichever one Moyes is seen as favouring will be the wrong one.
12 years ago Man Utd lost 3 consecutive league games, including hammerings of 5-0 and 6-3 in the space of a week. It didn’t stop them winning the league. Aberrations do not a bad team make (or a bad reserve team for that matter). Despite a decent unbeaten run before last night, we’re having a bit of a shitty time right now and it’s in the main down to injuries. We will come through. We usually do.
As for the broader debate on Moyes, tactics etc, different issue, different thread.
Moyes has been quoted saying "They did the best they could and as good as they could. I have only praise for them". I read this as "We played shit and I am fine with that" Just wondering what the score had been if they hadn’t played their best?
We can’t excuse this loss as a reserve team loss. We lost on footballing basics: passing, positioning, closing down, running, knowing the task, tackling, covering back ... etc. That is clear evidence of poor leadership.
Stephen. Eh? Leadership?
Mate, you could give me all the leadership you liked, I still wouldn’t be able to pass, tackle or whatever to Premier League standard, not even Ryman’s Premier League.
I thought "poor passing, positioning, closing down, running, knowing the task, tackling, covering back ... etc" was a symptom of being players who are not as good as the first choice players.... but what do I know....
If you do have leadership secrets that could turn me into even a conference level, player - please let me know. I am some distance the wrong side of 30 but I’m still willing to ditch my job to live the dream if possible....
Mate, you could give me all the leadership you liked, I still wouldn’t be able to pass, tackle or whatever to Premier League standard, not even Ryman’s Premier League.
I thought "poor passing, positioning, closing down, running, knowing the task, tackling, covering back ... etc" was a symptom of being players who are not as good as the first choice players.... but what do I know....
If you do have leadership secrets that could turn me into even a conference level, player - please let me know. I am some distance the wrong side of 30 but I’m still willing to ditch my job to live the dream if possible....
Alan Clarke, got his views spot on, and in 10 lines, which makes it easy on the eyes.
Reading comments on this site, after our last two home games versus Stoke and Wolves, it was obvious that fans where, divided, in team selection and tactics.
You cannot use injuries, as an excuse, as all who turned out last night, with the exception of Coleman, are recognized first teamers.
Maybe we are not use to having 2 strikers on from the start?
Reading comments on this site, after our last two home games versus Stoke and Wolves, it was obvious that fans where, divided, in team selection and tactics.
You cannot use injuries, as an excuse, as all who turned out last night, with the exception of Coleman, are recognized first teamers.
Maybe we are not use to having 2 strikers on from the start?
Stehpen - nothing to do with poor leadership, just about 6 out of 11 players playing in positons they aren’t used to.
Hibbert ont a CB
Gosling not a RB
Coleman not a LB
Cahill not a RW
Fellaini not a defensive CM
Jo/ Yak not a LW
all of these players at some point were playing in positions they aren’t used to doing so will occasionally get caught out.
Added to the fact that Rodwell & Cahill are in desperate need of a rest due to the number of games they have had to play / travelling etc & that Yakubu isn’t close to being fit yet, and the work rate drops a slight amount, which is one of the keys to our success.
As for dAveys defence of the players, would you rather he said they were all crap and destroyed any confidence that some of the young inexperienced players had.
Hibbert ont a CB
Gosling not a RB
Coleman not a LB
Cahill not a RW
Fellaini not a defensive CM
Jo/ Yak not a LW
all of these players at some point were playing in positions they aren’t used to doing so will occasionally get caught out.
Added to the fact that Rodwell & Cahill are in desperate need of a rest due to the number of games they have had to play / travelling etc & that Yakubu isn’t close to being fit yet, and the work rate drops a slight amount, which is one of the keys to our success.
As for dAveys defence of the players, would you rather he said they were all crap and destroyed any confidence that some of the young inexperienced players had.
"You cannot use injuries, as an excuse"
Why not? Every other manger and team does but because it lends a reasoning to these results posters like you won’t except the valid reason why we are playing so shit of late?
Would Coleman have played without injuries to players?
Would Hibbert been at centr half without injuries to players?
Would Gosling, who got absoultely skinned last game out, be playing right backwithout injuries to players?
Would Cahill be playing on the right wing without injuries to players?
Would our most creative players, Arteta and Pienaar be able to play and affect the game without being injured?
QED fella
Why not? Every other manger and team does but because it lends a reasoning to these results posters like you won’t except the valid reason why we are playing so shit of late?
Would Coleman have played without injuries to players?
Would Hibbert been at centr half without injuries to players?
Would Gosling, who got absoultely skinned last game out, be playing right backwithout injuries to players?
Would Cahill be playing on the right wing without injuries to players?
Would our most creative players, Arteta and Pienaar be able to play and affect the game without being injured?
QED fella
These 5/6/7 goal drubbings seem to have happened quite alot under Moyes regardless of what competition we are in and often regardless of how many injuries we have. People say its down to lack of investment and Im sure it partly is but when you see him waste £15+ million on Fellaini (whos not a bad player, hes just isnt suited to the role that Moyes is asking him to play) it makes me think alot of this pain is self inflicted.
In the past being on the end of a 5-0 hammering was a very infrequent occurance but now I hardly bat an eyelid and sadly niether do alot of other fans because Moyes has brainwashed us all (with the help of the media) into thinking this is as good as it can get both in terms of results and the ’Total Hoofball’ philosophy he employs (which involves alot of players playing out of position chasing long balls all day).
In the past being on the end of a 5-0 hammering was a very infrequent occurance but now I hardly bat an eyelid and sadly niether do alot of other fans because Moyes has brainwashed us all (with the help of the media) into thinking this is as good as it can get both in terms of results and the ’Total Hoofball’ philosophy he employs (which involves alot of players playing out of position chasing long balls all day).
I personally agree with pretty much everything Jay states.
Those who don’t really baffle me. How can you guys be happy watching such a terrible football?
I wonder if we actually train at all sometimes! A 5 yard pass to a team mate seems to be a constant challenge!
The negative vile tactics absolutely stink and never change game in game out. Win lose or draw. Absolute rubbish.
Those who don’t really baffle me. How can you guys be happy watching such a terrible football?
I wonder if we actually train at all sometimes! A 5 yard pass to a team mate seems to be a constant challenge!
The negative vile tactics absolutely stink and never change game in game out. Win lose or draw. Absolute rubbish.
@ Steve Pugh: It was and remains widely reported that it was £15 million, so I’m not seeing much point in your pedantry.
You’re also missing my main point. Notwithstanding the fact that we were without our key players, those who were there last night are millionaire professionals who should be able to do the basics, i.e., retain possession and consistently pass to a teammate. I wasn’t expecting or demanding a win. But I was expecting something more than that keystone cops style cock-up and you, you and your type who continually see everything through rose tinted specs are as much a part of the problem as the man most directly responsible for this shambolic state of affairs, because you continually let him off the hook for such footballing atrocities with the "it could be so much worse" approach when it fact, it could be so much better with a proper dollop of professionalism and fundamental good coaching.
You’re also missing my main point. Notwithstanding the fact that we were without our key players, those who were there last night are millionaire professionals who should be able to do the basics, i.e., retain possession and consistently pass to a teammate. I wasn’t expecting or demanding a win. But I was expecting something more than that keystone cops style cock-up and you, you and your type who continually see everything through rose tinted specs are as much a part of the problem as the man most directly responsible for this shambolic state of affairs, because you continually let him off the hook for such footballing atrocities with the "it could be so much worse" approach when it fact, it could be so much better with a proper dollop of professionalism and fundamental good coaching.
What a load of Twoddle from Tony Marsh.
We lost this game 5-0 not because we are that bad or they are some amazing footballing team.
We had mishmash of a defence.
Coleman not a LB, Gosling not a RB, Hibbert not CB.
We were missing Pienaar who has been so important for us this season, we had Jo playing wide!
This Benfica side were beaten 1-0 by AEK Athens, the same team we thumped 4-0.
Everton vs Benfica with a stronger side out there will be a totally different story.
I would also like to say that I like many others are so sick of Tony Marsh sharpening his pencil everytime we lose and vanishing when we are winning. You call yourself a Blue, I call you a disgrace.
We lost this game 5-0 not because we are that bad or they are some amazing footballing team.
We had mishmash of a defence.
Coleman not a LB, Gosling not a RB, Hibbert not CB.
We were missing Pienaar who has been so important for us this season, we had Jo playing wide!
This Benfica side were beaten 1-0 by AEK Athens, the same team we thumped 4-0.
Everton vs Benfica with a stronger side out there will be a totally different story.
I would also like to say that I like many others are so sick of Tony Marsh sharpening his pencil everytime we lose and vanishing when we are winning. You call yourself a Blue, I call you a disgrace.
I wonder how many Barca fans would come on a site like this after such a showing and make excuses for the abject FAILURE of highly paid professionals to do the basics... It’s you tolerant twits that make these nightmare, record-breaking defeats under Moyes so excusable and therefore so repeatable.
So Stuart Mitchell, I’m sure you know what I think of you and your excuses. But the bottom line is, for the umpteenth bloody time, PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS SHOULD KNOW HOW TO DO THE BASICS RIGHT. But yet again ours didn’t.
So Stuart Mitchell, I’m sure you know what I think of you and your excuses. But the bottom line is, for the umpteenth bloody time, PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS SHOULD KNOW HOW TO DO THE BASICS RIGHT. But yet again ours didn’t.
Two of those professionals in our defence were kids!! Give them a break.
I was always a big admirer of Moyes until he stalled on his contract. I just feel something has been missing from him since and it’s affecting our team. We’ve got the best squad we’ve had in years but his decisions frustrate the shit out of me sometimes, particularly his substitutions. Maybe the time is right for a change.
@ Stuart Mitchell: Oh FFS. What next, the big nasty crowd was intimidating? The turbulence during the flight was a tad rough?
Seriously though, what age was Pele when he almost single-handedly led Brazil to the World Cup in Sweden? Or more recently, Stevan Jovetic when he stuck two past Liverpool for Fiorentina?
Seriously though, what age was Pele when he almost single-handedly led Brazil to the World Cup in Sweden? Or more recently, Stevan Jovetic when he stuck two past Liverpool for Fiorentina?
"You and your type who continually see everything through rose tinted specs are as much a part of the problem as the man most directly responsible for this shambolic state of affairs"
You say rose tinted specs, I say eyes wide open. Look at the whole picture not just look at Moyes and his failings.
So Moyes is the man that makes a player unable to pick out a 10 yards pass is he? Good job too because that means that the players are free of blame then.
And what’s with the pathetic "as much a part of the problem" how exactly is he? How exactly is a man now willing to swear and call a man a coward going to help us either? It worked great at Newcastle didin’t it?
You say rose tinted specs, I say eyes wide open. Look at the whole picture not just look at Moyes and his failings.
So Moyes is the man that makes a player unable to pick out a 10 yards pass is he? Good job too because that means that the players are free of blame then.
And what’s with the pathetic "as much a part of the problem" how exactly is he? How exactly is a man now willing to swear and call a man a coward going to help us either? It worked great at Newcastle didin’t it?
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.
I bet you any money that if that side that played last night is the line-up against Bolton, and we turn them over, all of you who are having a go at anyone who dared to criticize last night's performance, will all be on here telling us that this is the best squad of players ever, and that Moyes is a genius.
I bet you any money that if that side that played last night is the line-up against Bolton, and we turn them over, all of you who are having a go at anyone who dared to criticize last night's performance, will all be on here telling us that this is the best squad of players ever, and that Moyes is a genius.
@ Tony Williams: You must know that Moyes is responsible for signing and coaching the players, so yes, he is directly responsible if they can’t even pass a ball to a teammate, an even more reprehensible state of affairs in light of the shocking salaries they receive for being shite at their chosen profession.
All else flows from that fundamental reality. And hence, by excusing this rubbish, you are perpetuating it.
All else flows from that fundamental reality. And hence, by excusing this rubbish, you are perpetuating it.
Tom/Chris,
Of course it’s a leadership issue. It’s the job of the coaching staff to ensure that these paid professionals, "kids" included, can execute the basics at this level. It is the coaching staff’s job to instruct the team how to play against the opposition. Furthermore, it is the job of the leader(s) on the field to ensure that the coaching instructions are carried out.
One comment I heard repeatedly from the match commentators, who were correct in this instance, was the clear lack of communication between the boys in blue in general, and involving the captain, Tiny Tim, in particular. Poor communication is a leadership issue.
Although we played fairly decently in the first half and kept reasonable possession the threat down our right side was already pretty obvious, made more dangerous by the gap in front of RB, yet nothing was done about it tactically. That was poor leadership.
When you lose 5-0 and the coach says in the media that was the best to be expected then that gets into the heads of the players and that is poor leadership.
These guys are all special, gifted, talented, and committed footballers, otherwise they would never have passed into professional football, so there can be little doubt of their individual capability. However their collective performance as a team has to be questioned, and that is poor leadership.
Of course it’s a leadership issue. It’s the job of the coaching staff to ensure that these paid professionals, "kids" included, can execute the basics at this level. It is the coaching staff’s job to instruct the team how to play against the opposition. Furthermore, it is the job of the leader(s) on the field to ensure that the coaching instructions are carried out.
One comment I heard repeatedly from the match commentators, who were correct in this instance, was the clear lack of communication between the boys in blue in general, and involving the captain, Tiny Tim, in particular. Poor communication is a leadership issue.
Although we played fairly decently in the first half and kept reasonable possession the threat down our right side was already pretty obvious, made more dangerous by the gap in front of RB, yet nothing was done about it tactically. That was poor leadership.
When you lose 5-0 and the coach says in the media that was the best to be expected then that gets into the heads of the players and that is poor leadership.
These guys are all special, gifted, talented, and committed footballers, otherwise they would never have passed into professional football, so there can be little doubt of their individual capability. However their collective performance as a team has to be questioned, and that is poor leadership.
"so yes, he is directly responsible if they can’t even pass a ball to a teammate" Eh? how’s that then? So does Moyes at his training sessions stop people putting a crisp 20 yard pass to feet and say, "I’ll have none of that sonny, no siree Bob, none of that at all, I have told you all before make sure your pass is at least 5 yards shy of the mark". I don’t swear often on hear but what a load of bollocks.
Whilst I am swearing, "I wonder how many Barca fans would come on a site like this after such a showing and make excuses for the abject FAILURE of highly paid professionals to do the basics" what the fucking fuck has Barcelona got to do with the price of fish. If they were ever to find themselves in the incredibly unlikely position where they couldn’t field any stars they may be comparable to our situation last night but what a stupid comparison to make. The Champions League and League winners compared to side that has been in the top 4 once in the last two decades, talk about stretching your imagination
Whilst I am swearing, "I wonder how many Barca fans would come on a site like this after such a showing and make excuses for the abject FAILURE of highly paid professionals to do the basics" what the fucking fuck has Barcelona got to do with the price of fish. If they were ever to find themselves in the incredibly unlikely position where they couldn’t field any stars they may be comparable to our situation last night but what a stupid comparison to make. The Champions League and League winners compared to side that has been in the top 4 once in the last two decades, talk about stretching your imagination
I was hoping after that drubbing, Moyes would have had the decency to walk away from Everton. Anybody still believing he can take us any further is living cloud cuckoo land. Let's not forget, he is responsible for us having such a small squad.
Colin, how is he responsible for us having such a small squad? he can only buy who he has money for and the lads he let go are obviously incapable of getting into teh first team because lets face it, Gosling is supposed to be a shining star amongst them and he is lucky to get 15 minutes every now and again, discounting our large injuty list......damn back to the injury list, we can’t use that as an excuse can we?
When Liverpool got dicked 6 something in the Carling Cup by Arsenal a few seasons ago, would you have been a redshite shouting for him to leave? Same sort of scenario, half a team and thoroughly battered.
Decency to leave, Lord help us!
When Liverpool got dicked 6 something in the Carling Cup by Arsenal a few seasons ago, would you have been a redshite shouting for him to leave? Same sort of scenario, half a team and thoroughly battered.
Decency to leave, Lord help us!
@ Tony Williams: The Barca reference was to highlight a difference in attitude to failure between their fans and elements of our lot who take anything that is thrown at them, and still grin like morons. That’s the beginning and ending of the Barca comparison, so less of the disingenuous wresting of context , please.
As for the passing issue, there are sides playing in the Spanish second division who can pass and retain the ball much, much better than our bunch of cloggers. Moyes built the team, Moyes is responsible for coaching bad habits out of his players (think anxious hit-and-hope hoofball) and so Moyes deserves to be fucking well hammered on sites like this for last night’s debacle. There is simply no excuse for that fucking awful surrender, given that I’ve been to European away games with a team of Irish part-timers who retained the ball and passed to a teammate without shitting their pants at the very thought.
Fundamentally, it is both a coaching and a player acquisition issue, which I suspect has to do with Moyes having been a hoof-it-away defender himself. He wouldn’t know posession football if it stripped itself naked and danced on top of a harpsichord singing "possession football is here again", (to use a Blackadderism).
As for the passing issue, there are sides playing in the Spanish second division who can pass and retain the ball much, much better than our bunch of cloggers. Moyes built the team, Moyes is responsible for coaching bad habits out of his players (think anxious hit-and-hope hoofball) and so Moyes deserves to be fucking well hammered on sites like this for last night’s debacle. There is simply no excuse for that fucking awful surrender, given that I’ve been to European away games with a team of Irish part-timers who retained the ball and passed to a teammate without shitting their pants at the very thought.
Fundamentally, it is both a coaching and a player acquisition issue, which I suspect has to do with Moyes having been a hoof-it-away defender himself. He wouldn’t know posession football if it stripped itself naked and danced on top of a harpsichord singing "possession football is here again", (to use a Blackadderism).
Jay, again with comparisons with other teams.........We are Everton, not Barcelona or any other team in La Liga, we are not an Irish side.
Once again, explain to me why last night's game is all down to Moyes and the overpaid players get away scott free. You and I both know that, as a professional, if you could not do your job properly you would be out of a job when found out; however, your constant blaming of Moyes doesn’t tie in with the fundamental things that a professional footballer should be able to do. He should be able to control the ball, he should be able to find space for a pass, he should be able to pass the fooking ball 10 yards; however, you seem to believe that it’s Moyes fault when a player misplaces a pass, why is that?
I believe we are an average side that play well sometimes so in my view if that already average side loses so many of its normal players to injuries, it stands to reason that the team will start to become below average and that’s what has happened this season. Moyes’s tactics haven’t varied from those that saw us to 5th and a place in the FA Cup Final but now, because our reserve side was dicked over, it’s all about his coaching and tactics and nothing to do with a professional footballer not being able to do the basics on the pitch.
Once again, explain to me why last night's game is all down to Moyes and the overpaid players get away scott free. You and I both know that, as a professional, if you could not do your job properly you would be out of a job when found out; however, your constant blaming of Moyes doesn’t tie in with the fundamental things that a professional footballer should be able to do. He should be able to control the ball, he should be able to find space for a pass, he should be able to pass the fooking ball 10 yards; however, you seem to believe that it’s Moyes fault when a player misplaces a pass, why is that?
I believe we are an average side that play well sometimes so in my view if that already average side loses so many of its normal players to injuries, it stands to reason that the team will start to become below average and that’s what has happened this season. Moyes’s tactics haven’t varied from those that saw us to 5th and a place in the FA Cup Final but now, because our reserve side was dicked over, it’s all about his coaching and tactics and nothing to do with a professional footballer not being able to do the basics on the pitch.
Jay, of course Barca fans have a different attitude to failure - as do Real, Man U, Chelsea etc - thats because they win things on a regular basis and therefore expect to do so again.
Having the same expectations as these fans with the set up that we have is an exercise in futility.
Having the same expectations as these fans with the set up that we have is an exercise in futility.
"Less of the disingenuous wresting of context , please"
Jeez Jay - long time since I heard that one on TW.
Here in Catalunya, Barca fans don’t diccuss their coach on sites like this. They simply take their hankies out of their pockets and wave him goodbye. That’s because as ’socios’ they are the club’s owners. Slightly different context, don’t you think.
Jeez Jay - long time since I heard that one on TW.
Here in Catalunya, Barca fans don’t diccuss their coach on sites like this. They simply take their hankies out of their pockets and wave him goodbye. That’s because as ’socios’ they are the club’s owners. Slightly different context, don’t you think.
Sorry Jay, you’re right it is widely reported at £15m, but on his profile page of the OS it gives the official figure of £12m.
However, I take offence to the ’you and your kind’ comment. I do not look at what is happening through rose tinted glasses and if you read my posts elsewhere you would know this. Neither do I look for scapegoats, nor do I set my expectations too high.
I have supported Everton for well over 30 years and in all that time there has been 2 titles, 2 FA cups and the CWC. So I don’t think that we can compare ourselves to Barca, Man U, Real Madrid or even (unfortunately) the RS, Their fans expect success because that is what they are used to. We want success because we have tasted it in the past and want more, you, me and every Evertonian old enough to remember.
But I am a realist, I have seen bigger clubs than ours lose all cohesion because their key players have been missing. Sometimes all it takes is for one player to get injured and the whole chemistry in the team is lost. We have now lost every single creative player in the team, with the exception of Saha. Players that would normally provide the outlet for the solid part of the team are no longer there and so the solid players have to change the way they think, and the way they play. Things that are normally instinctive become awkward, the basics are forgotten as a slugger tries to become a finesse player.
People who think that the team should play the same football with our injury list as we would play with our first choice 11 is deluding themselves. Also note I said first choice 11 not first team . I have noticed a few comments that the team last night were first team regulars, they are only regulars at the moment because the first choice players are injured.
However, I take offence to the ’you and your kind’ comment. I do not look at what is happening through rose tinted glasses and if you read my posts elsewhere you would know this. Neither do I look for scapegoats, nor do I set my expectations too high.
I have supported Everton for well over 30 years and in all that time there has been 2 titles, 2 FA cups and the CWC. So I don’t think that we can compare ourselves to Barca, Man U, Real Madrid or even (unfortunately) the RS, Their fans expect success because that is what they are used to. We want success because we have tasted it in the past and want more, you, me and every Evertonian old enough to remember.
But I am a realist, I have seen bigger clubs than ours lose all cohesion because their key players have been missing. Sometimes all it takes is for one player to get injured and the whole chemistry in the team is lost. We have now lost every single creative player in the team, with the exception of Saha. Players that would normally provide the outlet for the solid part of the team are no longer there and so the solid players have to change the way they think, and the way they play. Things that are normally instinctive become awkward, the basics are forgotten as a slugger tries to become a finesse player.
People who think that the team should play the same football with our injury list as we would play with our first choice 11 is deluding themselves. Also note I said first choice 11 not first team . I have noticed a few comments that the team last night were first team regulars, they are only regulars at the moment because the first choice players are injured.
How many hidings does it take for people to wake up and see Moyes is not the great manager people make him out to be?
Only Moyes could get fucked five nil and state " weve won two and lost one, Its not that bad"
WTF. Injuries aside its some of the worst football ever, he is tactically incompetent , for instance fulham away he takes of our only striker and brings on big bird Fellaini, unbelievable.
However some people are more than happy with it and will accuse you of being a kopite for having the gaul not to be gratefull to finish fifth and be a runner up.
Of the top of your head can you name who came runner up in the 1999 cup final?
EXACTLY.
Only Moyes could get fucked five nil and state " weve won two and lost one, Its not that bad"
WTF. Injuries aside its some of the worst football ever, he is tactically incompetent , for instance fulham away he takes of our only striker and brings on big bird Fellaini, unbelievable.
However some people are more than happy with it and will accuse you of being a kopite for having the gaul not to be gratefull to finish fifth and be a runner up.
Of the top of your head can you name who came runner up in the 1999 cup final?
EXACTLY.
"Of the top of your head can you name who came runner up in the 1999 cup final?
EXACTLY. "
Interesting question Andy Codling.
Off the top of your head, can you remember who won it? I can’t , and couldn’t give a toss.
Tell you what pal, I would have remembered 1999 if we’d been relegated. Gutted. Beyond belief. More than I could explain to my loved ones.
So tell us, who won it?
EXACTLY. "
Interesting question Andy Codling.
Off the top of your head, can you remember who won it? I can’t , and couldn’t give a toss.
Tell you what pal, I would have remembered 1999 if we’d been relegated. Gutted. Beyond belief. More than I could explain to my loved ones.
So tell us, who won it?
Andy, not that many on here apart from possibly Doolally Doddy think of Moyes as a great manager. I think he is a good manager with many faults; however there is always a stream of negative posts on here no matter what he does. If we lose it’s Moyes’ fault, not the rich fookers on the pitch, if we win, it’s in spite of Moyes’ tactic, if we draw a game we expect to win, Old marshy comes out with his despicable "coeard" quotes again.
He thinks he is a terrible manager, so why then is it everytime Moyes matches Marshy’s expectation is he almost rabid with fury?
There are your basic three type of posters on here, your Doddy’s, Your Marsh’s and the rest, who look at both the positive and the many negatives of our side and Moyes.
It’s hard to take the extremists serious, as it’s either "we will win the league" or the oft used "mark my words, we will be in a relegation battle this season"
Most posters are not "happy" with winning nothing, they just understand the reasons why we haven’t
He thinks he is a terrible manager, so why then is it everytime Moyes matches Marshy’s expectation is he almost rabid with fury?
There are your basic three type of posters on here, your Doddy’s, Your Marsh’s and the rest, who look at both the positive and the many negatives of our side and Moyes.
It’s hard to take the extremists serious, as it’s either "we will win the league" or the oft used "mark my words, we will be in a relegation battle this season"
Most posters are not "happy" with winning nothing, they just understand the reasons why we haven’t
@ Tony Williams: I am really struggling to make you understand what is really a very simple point...
How is the failure of players to pass and retain possession Moyes’ fault? Because:
1. He signed them;
2. He manages / trains them.
It’s a simple act of deduction to work that one out, I would have thought.
And what you said, "We’re not an Irish side"... Exactly. If Irish part-timers can put on a better display away at full-time European opposition, why shouldn’t our overpaid players?
@ Steve Pugh: Again, missing the point. I’m not comparing EFC to Barca-bloody-lona. I’m comparing how the fans of Barca don’t tolerate shameful, gutless displays, much less pathetic comments from the buffoon in charge like "my players did their best".
How is the failure of players to pass and retain possession Moyes’ fault? Because:
1. He signed them;
2. He manages / trains them.
It’s a simple act of deduction to work that one out, I would have thought.
And what you said, "We’re not an Irish side"... Exactly. If Irish part-timers can put on a better display away at full-time European opposition, why shouldn’t our overpaid players?
@ Steve Pugh: Again, missing the point. I’m not comparing EFC to Barca-bloody-lona. I’m comparing how the fans of Barca don’t tolerate shameful, gutless displays, much less pathetic comments from the buffoon in charge like "my players did their best".
@ Keith Glizzard, that's exactly my point, no-one remembers the runners-up but a lot of our fans think it amounts to success.
I thought it was quite clear the point I was trying to make but perhaps not for you!!
My worry is during Moyes reign the amount of thrashings we get. i dont mean 3-nils, we get 4s 5s 6s and even 7s against us. The amount of times I have seen our team fall apart is alarming.
There are reasons why last night's defeat happened and injuries were the biggest; however, the lack of football in the side is down to Moyes. He signs the players and coaches them. Does he look at our midfield and think we lack pace? We have no strength in there every summer as most of us do and decide to sign Bily although has a decent left peg is slow and won't be winning many tackles.
I’d also like to think we will consider altering our yearly shambolic summer transfers policy as, due to the actions of Kenwright & Moyes we had two players who would have made a difference ineligible due to signing them too late! We knew all summer when the deadline for naming our European squad was but we didn't sign players.
Tony Williams
At the end of every season Moyes getsrid of so many players, and he has never yet replaced them with the same number that left. Why did he let Jacobsen go? knowing he had to name his players for Europe early?
At the end of every season Moyes getsrid of so many players, and he has never yet replaced them with the same number that left. Why did he let Jacobsen go? knowing he had to name his players for Europe early?
The trouble is, he gives you a smile and a wink, and you young whippersnappers put up with any old shite he tells you. Just listen to his silly-arsed statements he comes out with after a really bad match.
To be fair Andy - you haven’t answered my question yet.
Without taking your record book off the shelf or going to Google - can you tell me who won the cup in 1999?
I can’t remember. Don’t care. Only the fans of whoever it was do. Come on lad -tell us who they were.
Without taking your record book off the shelf or going to Google - can you tell me who won the cup in 1999?
I can’t remember. Don’t care. Only the fans of whoever it was do. Come on lad -tell us who they were.
Sorry - that should have been Andy Codlung.
Sorry, Codlung. I have just worked out that you must have been talking about the 2009 Cup Final.
I loose a decade now and then myself.
If I’m wrong, please remind me who won in 1999 will you.
I loose a decade now and then myself.
If I’m wrong, please remind me who won in 1999 will you.
Despite an atrocious injury list, we still had the players available to put out a more balanced side. Moyes sat in the dugout all game with his fingers crossed hoping to not concede more than 3. No amount of bullshit can excuse the shape of that team last night, fuckin’ humiliating shambles.
That's it: I'm done with football. I'm not watching Everton, not checking websites about Everton, not reading through the rags to find some info on Everton, not anything.
I'm sick of seeing the 'Manager of the Year' x 3 playing players out of position and of course best of all, getting them to bleeding hoof the ball as hard as they can in whatever position they are facing.
After the 700 years he has been our manager, each game that comes I hope that we are going to somehow just click and play some eye pleasing flowing football... does it ever come? Fuck no.
So that's it, I can't take no more. I'm not having another thing to do with this club until Moyes, Kenwright, Osman and Hibbert all the fuck the hell off.
Oh, I've not thought about how i will know if this happens... (As if it ever will!)
Yours as ever, a true Moyes hater.
Colin, whippersnapper am I? I am closer to 40 than 30 but like most people who don’t think before spouting off, you see the word college and automatically think I am a teenager.
I work in a solicitors office and I am taking a law course at night school, so less of the condescending crap about being young and naive.
So Jay, Moyes causes the players to have bad games then? We know they can play well and have done often but it must be Moyes’ fault that Cahill has lost his scoring touch of late, he must have coached it out of him then eh?
I work in a solicitors office and I am taking a law course at night school, so less of the condescending crap about being young and naive.
So Jay, Moyes causes the players to have bad games then? We know they can play well and have done often but it must be Moyes’ fault that Cahill has lost his scoring touch of late, he must have coached it out of him then eh?
"Exactly. If Irish part-timers can put on a better display away at full-time European opposition, why shouldn’t our overpaid players?" Agreed but then again I have been saying that for a while now but you are constantly blaming Moyes but somehow letting the players off scott free.
Keith Lizard (oooo how witty of me changing your surname) , obviously the point is lost on you, go and ask a friend.
Tony W,
the young whippersnappers was meant as a bit of banter, because compared with my age you are young. It’s a pity you couldn’t see that. I’m only sorry you don’t seem to have a sense of humour.
the young whippersnappers was meant as a bit of banter, because compared with my age you are young. It’s a pity you couldn’t see that. I’m only sorry you don’t seem to have a sense of humour.
There are a few like that, Colin.
I see, so when it doesn’t fit, it’s just banter, I’ll remember that for next time!!
I have a fine sense of humour thanks, I have to have one coming on here with some of the suicidal posters of late.
I have a fine sense of humour thanks, I have to have one coming on here with some of the suicidal posters of late.
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