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I've just been reading about Tottenham's new proposed stadium. It's immense. It makes our proposed stadium look like a Championship Club's.
I'm not against moving BUT I am against the poor quality stadium being planned. I'm also against being potentially labelled as a Tesco Value Club.
Do we really have no say in what's happening to our beloved club? Do we really want to become the butt of many Tesco jokes?
Yes, the Old Lady is ancient but a lot of away fans comment that it has charm, warmth and intimidation. I for one want that replicated in any new stadium for Everton.
Henry Jones, Posted 26/10/2009 at 19:56:48
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We Toffees really are a strange bunch. The saying must be true that we are each worth 20 Liverpool fans.
You would be hard pressed to find any other supporters of such a big club that could put up with this kind of torture. It seems like everything about the club at present is like banging your head against a brick wall. It's like watching a car crash that you can’t look away from.
I agree with Henry, I’m not against moving but there has to be some logic to it, some incentive. Kirkby just keeps looking worse and worse.
You would be hard pressed to find any other supporters of such a big club that could put up with this kind of torture. It seems like everything about the club at present is like banging your head against a brick wall. It's like watching a car crash that you can’t look away from.
I agree with Henry, I’m not against moving but there has to be some logic to it, some incentive. Kirkby just keeps looking worse and worse.
Spurs' new stadium plans compared to ours just about some up the respective ambition of each club — and they are meant to be our peers. It's embarrassing when you see that cheap excuse of a stadium on a retail park that our unambitious chairman is so keen on when someone with a bit of vision would be thinking much bigger.
It would be the best news all year if Bullshit Billy didnt get his way and this JOKE of Desperation Kirkby was thrown out and we can get back to the drawing board.
Impressive. Is that a main road beside the stadium? It looks a lot like the loop on Scottie Road.
KEIOC
KEIOC
If we had as much money as Spurs, we would do something like they are planning. We don’t have as much money as Spurs. That’s the problem.
It’s depressing to see those plans, and then think of what we are getting. Even the quotes from Daniel Levy, make me cringe at the nonsense we have to listen to.
Neil- The Spurs plans include a hotel, supermarket and 400 houses. If, for example, we could find a plot in the city with room for all of this, would we then be able to afford it? I appreciate your point, but I find it difficult to just accept the Kirkby project.
Neil- The Spurs plans include a hotel, supermarket and 400 houses. If, for example, we could find a plot in the city with room for all of this, would we then be able to afford it? I appreciate your point, but I find it difficult to just accept the Kirkby project.
I must admit it does look a mighty fine stadium, although I don’t like the proposed name of it. I mean, who on earth would want their stadium called ’Naming Rights’?
Neil
What gives mate ? I really dont get you. There are interesting debates on this site every day, you hardly ever seem to take part . . but mention Kirkby or Kenwright and you could talk a glass eye to sleep.
I still remember the anger and accusations levelled by you against anyone expressing relief the day the Kirkby project was initially called in.
Something just doesn’t stack up here Neil, You’ve admitted you dont know if the attendances will be enough to generate extra income and you’ve also admitted you wont be supporting the project by buying a season ticket, yet once again Kirkby is mentioned and even after a million posts on the subject, you’ve STILL got more to say. what is it that drives you ?
Your view has shifted considerably this last year or so, Your "we MUST go to Kirkby " claim has been diluted to a feeble "well I’m not in favour, but what choice do we have " .
Over the past few months, you have stated you now prefer to ground share, but there was absolutely no mention of this in any of your post when you were blaming the no voters and KEIOC for a government decision.
Daniel Levy has worked tirelessly - if not quite 24/7 - not only securing the surrounding area of WHL, but securing the investment to be able to do so whilst still backing his manager to the hilt.
Spurs have had a business strategy, While kenwright has sat on his arse for a decade, they have been pursuing a long term plan.
How utterly ungracious you sound when you dismiss everything the Tottenham board have worked for by shrugging your shoulders and saying they’re rich, we’re not.
Trust me when I tell you, they didn’t get lucky, they didn’t just wake up rich, that they can afford a Super stadium and you are settling for a joke of a stadium is no accident.
What gives mate ? I really dont get you. There are interesting debates on this site every day, you hardly ever seem to take part . . but mention Kirkby or Kenwright and you could talk a glass eye to sleep.
I still remember the anger and accusations levelled by you against anyone expressing relief the day the Kirkby project was initially called in.
Something just doesn’t stack up here Neil, You’ve admitted you dont know if the attendances will be enough to generate extra income and you’ve also admitted you wont be supporting the project by buying a season ticket, yet once again Kirkby is mentioned and even after a million posts on the subject, you’ve STILL got more to say. what is it that drives you ?
Your view has shifted considerably this last year or so, Your "we MUST go to Kirkby " claim has been diluted to a feeble "well I’m not in favour, but what choice do we have " .
Over the past few months, you have stated you now prefer to ground share, but there was absolutely no mention of this in any of your post when you were blaming the no voters and KEIOC for a government decision.
Daniel Levy has worked tirelessly - if not quite 24/7 - not only securing the surrounding area of WHL, but securing the investment to be able to do so whilst still backing his manager to the hilt.
Spurs have had a business strategy, While kenwright has sat on his arse for a decade, they have been pursuing a long term plan.
How utterly ungracious you sound when you dismiss everything the Tottenham board have worked for by shrugging your shoulders and saying they’re rich, we’re not.
Trust me when I tell you, they didn’t get lucky, they didn’t just wake up rich, that they can afford a Super stadium and you are settling for a joke of a stadium is no accident.
Neil we SHOULD have more money than Sheff Wed so how come they are AGAIN doing further work on their stadium with a superb development of the Leppings Lane stand?
Over a period of a similar time we have been talking shite about a new stadium they will have reworked all three sides of their stadium just like Villa will have done all four sides in an area just as landlocked as ours.
The excuses for Billy Liar are just garbage as the man has been on our board for how long?
Impressive design, reminds me of the Kings Dock.
Jesus wept.
Jesus wept.
Dave, I absolutely didn’t want to start all the Kirkby debate here - we all know enough about that. All I was pointing out is that the reason we are not doing what Spurs are doing is primarily because they have more money than we do. It is not because we lack ’ambition’ (as if we actually COULD afford what they are doing if only we were more ’ambitious’ - this is delusional).
You know me by now Dave. My main point is that - in the actual situation we are actually in - we are poor and have very limited freedom of manoeuvre. That’s it.
As it happens, I believe that Spurs looks like it has been a much better run club than us on the non footballing side over the past ten years (although they have wasted millions on shuttling managers in and out, which we haven’t). Anyway, that’s why I think we need richer new owners of the right kind. So far from apologising for Kenwright, I would like to see him gone.
You know me by now Dave. My main point is that - in the actual situation we are actually in - we are poor and have very limited freedom of manoeuvre. That’s it.
As it happens, I believe that Spurs looks like it has been a much better run club than us on the non footballing side over the past ten years (although they have wasted millions on shuttling managers in and out, which we haven’t). Anyway, that’s why I think we need richer new owners of the right kind. So far from apologising for Kenwright, I would like to see him gone.
I’m jealous
Perhaps if we were a big club like Tottenham then we could have a stadium like that.
Neil Pearse, a good stadium does not have to be expensive.
My favourite feature on the Tottenham stadium is the large Single Tier behind the goal. I reckon we should have two of them. They are not expensive, probably work out cheaper too.
Take the exterior of Tottenham’s. If Everton designed Kirkby to expand via extra tiers then it would require a new exterior, therefore we could get away with a standard exterior now knowing that it could be improved in the future.
Kirkby has the basics all wrong. It is not cost that’s making it a joke of a design, it is the lack of thought and effort.
My favourite feature on the Tottenham stadium is the large Single Tier behind the goal. I reckon we should have two of them. They are not expensive, probably work out cheaper too.
Take the exterior of Tottenham’s. If Everton designed Kirkby to expand via extra tiers then it would require a new exterior, therefore we could get away with a standard exterior now knowing that it could be improved in the future.
Kirkby has the basics all wrong. It is not cost that’s making it a joke of a design, it is the lack of thought and effort.
Or perhaps if we simply had the same kind of revenue Alan
Unless I’m mistaken, that looks like a re-vamp of White hart Lane not a new stadium. It can probably be done because a) WHL is not land-locked on two sides and b) they are a richer club than us.
Besides we all know why we are shopping at Tesco - it’s the extra points that we can get.
Besides we all know why we are shopping at Tesco - it’s the extra points that we can get.
Neil and Tony the reason we haven’t as much money as Tottenham are many fold but primarily because the business has been shoddily run by it’s current owner for many years and to add to that Tottenham many years ago had a share rights issue which injected some hard cash into their club coffers which was spent not just on players but the expansion of the business into off field ventures. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but missing the boat on so many glaring opportunities such as a share rights issue and gradual rebuild smacks of a terrible business. The news Spurs stadium incorporates housing and retail yet with a clear difference in that the enabling driver there is the football club and not the retailer thus giving the club the income generation which Kirkby will never ever give Everton as it will have nothing whatsoever to do with anything in the retail park.
Just a point that most of you have forgotten to mention about Spurs stadium.
Daniel Levy said,
"I am not going to tell you how much it costs but its hundreds of millions!"
Surely that is the difference - we cannot afford what Spurs can - that is obvious to anyone who looks at transfer spend over the summer.
I don’t know how they do it but they have very rich backers who just keep throwing money at the club!
Daniel Levy said,
"I am not going to tell you how much it costs but its hundreds of millions!"
Surely that is the difference - we cannot afford what Spurs can - that is obvious to anyone who looks at transfer spend over the summer.
I don’t know how they do it but they have very rich backers who just keep throwing money at the club!
I’m depressed and jealous.
Thinking about what Kings dock could have been.
Unfortunately I think Kirkby will get the nod.
We are being sold down the river by Bullshitting Bill and it seems like there is nothing we can do about it.
Thinking about what Kings dock could have been.
Unfortunately I think Kirkby will get the nod.
We are being sold down the river by Bullshitting Bill and it seems like there is nothing we can do about it.
Thank god thats not us. I feel sorry for Spurs fans with their grand new stadium and large spending sprees. We are so much better off with Blue Bill in charge. Who needs a " vibrant area 365 days a year" when you have a Tesco car park? That Levy sounds like a right incompetent pratt, delivering on all these big ideas.
[puts head back in sand]
[puts head back in sand]
Dead right Phil... thank the good Lord that we have BK at the helm. He is after all a true blue isn’t he?
When we are playing at the Tescodrome in front of 30 thousand (except for games against the RS and Manure when our support will probably be outnumbered by the "away" support) and we are classed alongside Stoke and Hull in terms of ambition and achievement, we can congratulate ouselves that we are, at least, not run by Peter Johnson, cos’ he was a kopite!
Christ on a bike, give me PJ ahead of this blustering medicine show grifter anytime.
Ray, the new stadium is being built adjacent to WHL, not a rebuild.
Gavin, you are preaching to the choir mate, I know we have been run into the groung; however, I am putting a suggestion forward why the Spud’s new stadium would be better than ours if we go to Kirkby — nothing more, nothing less.
I am not looking for an argument on the pros and many cons of our board...
I am not looking for an argument on the pros and many cons of our board...
Tony, Ask why Spurs have more revenue than us? Adjusting our revenues for the "London Factor" doesn’t even come close to making up the difference. One club is ran like a top class organisation, the other ran like a toy.
If somebody had asked me to design a Stadium for Everton, then that would pretty much have been what I would have designed.
It just goes to show what is possible. Spurs are making it possible with 400 new homes (400 x £200k = £80m) and a Supermarket and Entertainment complex. And before anybody says that Walton isn’t London, it’s not, but I can assure you that the Haringey, Tottenham area is a deprived one with all sorts of social problems (Baby P, Riots in 1985 when PC Keith Blakelock was hacked to death, etc) and the current site is landlocked, but still they have found a way of doing it.
Derek T: it’s pointless talking about expanding Kirkby in the future. The local council have already capped the capacity at 50,400 and it will be nearer 40,000 unless EFC come up with a viable transport plan which doesn’t look particularly likely.
It might take Everton longer to secure backers and carry out the construction, but there is nothing to stop them actually TRYING to do something similar in Walton. Except of course, TESCO and the exclusivity agreement and ironically a couple of Spurs fans called Green and Earl.
I pray that Kirkby is thrown out, we get somebody with some real vision in charge and get Everton back where it belongs.
It just goes to show what is possible. Spurs are making it possible with 400 new homes (400 x £200k = £80m) and a Supermarket and Entertainment complex. And before anybody says that Walton isn’t London, it’s not, but I can assure you that the Haringey, Tottenham area is a deprived one with all sorts of social problems (Baby P, Riots in 1985 when PC Keith Blakelock was hacked to death, etc) and the current site is landlocked, but still they have found a way of doing it.
Derek T: it’s pointless talking about expanding Kirkby in the future. The local council have already capped the capacity at 50,400 and it will be nearer 40,000 unless EFC come up with a viable transport plan which doesn’t look particularly likely.
It might take Everton longer to secure backers and carry out the construction, but there is nothing to stop them actually TRYING to do something similar in Walton. Except of course, TESCO and the exclusivity agreement and ironically a couple of Spurs fans called Green and Earl.
I pray that Kirkby is thrown out, we get somebody with some real vision in charge and get Everton back where it belongs.
Sorry Karl, but you have hit the nail on the head with the London/Walton thing.
How long do you think it would take to sell 400 flats in Tottenham compared with Walton. I live round the corner from Tottenham in Leyton and I own three flats, all of which would sell in hours even in the current market. 12 months ago I wouldn’t even have needed to market them. Creating 400 flats in any part of London is a banker for money because they will all be sold within 6 months of completion, if not sooner. It might take 10 years to sell the same number in Walton. It makes no business sense.
I agree with the article, though, the location of the Tescodome does not bother me, but the quality (even compared to what was proposed at Kings Dock) does.
How long do you think it would take to sell 400 flats in Tottenham compared with Walton. I live round the corner from Tottenham in Leyton and I own three flats, all of which would sell in hours even in the current market. 12 months ago I wouldn’t even have needed to market them. Creating 400 flats in any part of London is a banker for money because they will all be sold within 6 months of completion, if not sooner. It might take 10 years to sell the same number in Walton. It makes no business sense.
I agree with the article, though, the location of the Tescodome does not bother me, but the quality (even compared to what was proposed at Kings Dock) does.
Just to add to that point.
If they picked up the Benfica stadium, painted it blue and put it in Kirkby, I would go!
What a stadium!
If they picked up the Benfica stadium, painted it blue and put it in Kirkby, I would go!
What a stadium!
Alasdair,
So we don't build homes around the stadium. We just have a Stadium, Hotel/Gym and other facilities etc. the point is we (sorry our board) have no ambition.
Regards Benfica Stadium. Yes I’d go too — even in Kirkby. But that's the kind of stadia Billy and Terry would need to deliver in order to make the move worthwhile. As it happens they’re planning on picking up the Reebok Stadium painting it Blue and putting it in Kirkby.
So we don't build homes around the stadium. We just have a Stadium, Hotel/Gym and other facilities etc. the point is we (sorry our board) have no ambition.
Regards Benfica Stadium. Yes I’d go too — even in Kirkby. But that's the kind of stadia Billy and Terry would need to deliver in order to make the move worthwhile. As it happens they’re planning on picking up the Reebok Stadium painting it Blue and putting it in Kirkby.
Slightly off topic, but does anybody know why on the KEIOC website they have an article relating to Investec, stating that "We thought Evertonians would just like to know".
Also, on a different article relating to the charity race night, they make an intriging statement that the money raised "will help finance the special project we are in the midst of planning".
Has anybody get any idea what exactly is going on here?
Cheers
Also, on a different article relating to the charity race night, they make an intriging statement that the money raised "will help finance the special project we are in the midst of planning".
Has anybody get any idea what exactly is going on here?
Cheers
It does seem incredible to me that we can’t sort our stadium issues out, I still favour a joint move with Liverpool to Stanley Park, I agree with many that London has appeal to investors and hence more opportunities for funding a stadium with commercial partners, but surely a joint attack from Everton & Liverpool with the history surrounding both clubs would be able to get some significant backing, in my view LCC should be pushing this all the way.
Anyway just wanted to check with Michael, is it possible ToffeeWeb could run a petition to re-run the stadium vote. I’m guessing if we could get enough signatures and thrust it in the media direction we might be able to force Kenwright hands.
At the end of the day if we had another vote and it came out Yes then fair enough that the consensus wish of the supporters, but can’t help feel the result now would be a resounding No!
Anyway just wanted to check with Michael, is it possible ToffeeWeb could run a petition to re-run the stadium vote. I’m guessing if we could get enough signatures and thrust it in the media direction we might be able to force Kenwright hands.
At the end of the day if we had another vote and it came out Yes then fair enough that the consensus wish of the supporters, but can’t help feel the result now would be a resounding No!
Good idea, Dave but there’s no way the club would run another vote because they know full well it’d be No.
The people that did vote Yes must surely feel misled. The facts presented to us at the time were far from what is actually on offer now. Quite how Kenwright has any supporters left is far beyond me.
The people that did vote Yes must surely feel misled. The facts presented to us at the time were far from what is actually on offer now. Quite how Kenwright has any supporters left is far beyond me.
Lee,
It seems Everton have registered a mortgage/charge with companies house in the last few days... and the mortgagee for that charge is Investec....
All very mysterious... In short we have acquired a loan for some reason or other in the last week but there’s no indication over what asset/revenue stream or guarantee that charge was acquired...
It seems Everton have registered a mortgage/charge with companies house in the last few days... and the mortgagee for that charge is Investec....
All very mysterious... In short we have acquired a loan for some reason or other in the last week but there’s no indication over what asset/revenue stream or guarantee that charge was acquired...
Cheers for that Ciaran.
Could it possibly be Kirkby related in one way or another would you think? The timing is very close to the expected result of the Inquiry. Do you think the Board have got wind of a decision in advance and are perhaps acting on it already?
Could it possibly be Kirkby related in one way or another would you think? The timing is very close to the expected result of the Inquiry. Do you think the Board have got wind of a decision in advance and are perhaps acting on it already?
It would be considered pure speculation to suggest what it’s for....But I would suggest that it’s certainly not for players...
My guess would be we’re either robbing Peter to pay Paul..and it’s simply to pay off some other debt...or that there is indeed some Kirkby based hoarding going on.....
My guess would be we’re either robbing Peter to pay Paul..and it’s simply to pay off some other debt...or that there is indeed some Kirkby based hoarding going on.....
Hi Dave, were willing to fully publicise and promote anything you want to do, but I’m afraid you (or others will have to take the initiative.
We just run a website...
We just run a website...
Paul Gladwell
Sheff Weds have planning permission for works to their stadium...nothing more, nothing less.
Everton could probably secure plannning permission for an 80,000 seater in Walton Hall Park...still wouldn’t be able to build it because, just like Wednesday we haven’t got the cash!
Sheff Weds have planning permission for works to their stadium...nothing more, nothing less.
Everton could probably secure plannning permission for an 80,000 seater in Walton Hall Park...still wouldn’t be able to build it because, just like Wednesday we haven’t got the cash!
Yeah I’m now reading more about it on another forum Ciaran, very interesting reading. I’m surprised no-one has started a thread about it on this site in all honesty. I think you’re not too far wrong with your Peter and Paul theory!
Dave
I like your idea mate, but the idea itself is not enough, you need to put a lot more thought into it.
you’ll be staggered by how many different opinions ther are out there.
I submitted an article just before the Kirkby project was called in. I wanted everyone against it to demonstrate their feelings by wearing white for a home game.
How simple would that be? We all have something white, or at least know somebody we could borrow from... so .I thought
Before the idea was off the ground people were arguing it shouldnt be white, or we should all wear hard hats instead, some people were even arguing we should wear hi Viz jackets, suddenly after a year of appathy everyone wanted to argue about what we should do, it descended into a free for all... nothing happened.
I still believe the wearing of white would have been a way even for the most apathetic could make his feelings known to the club
We need someone to come up with a really simple idea, and everyone who is against Kirkby should just shut up and support.
I like your idea mate, but the idea itself is not enough, you need to put a lot more thought into it.
you’ll be staggered by how many different opinions ther are out there.
I submitted an article just before the Kirkby project was called in. I wanted everyone against it to demonstrate their feelings by wearing white for a home game.
How simple would that be? We all have something white, or at least know somebody we could borrow from... so .I thought
Before the idea was off the ground people were arguing it shouldnt be white, or we should all wear hard hats instead, some people were even arguing we should wear hi Viz jackets, suddenly after a year of appathy everyone wanted to argue about what we should do, it descended into a free for all... nothing happened.
I still believe the wearing of white would have been a way even for the most apathetic could make his feelings known to the club
We need someone to come up with a really simple idea, and everyone who is against Kirkby should just shut up and support.
Ahhh Dave...
Great intention...but do you really think old brass neck himself would give a fuck if a few fans (or even the whole stadium) turned up dressed in white?
Great intention...but do you really think old brass neck himself would give a fuck if a few fans (or even the whole stadium) turned up dressed in white?
Guys I will look into the idea further, I believe there are some sites around that host online petitions so I will try them and if successful I will let Michael know so that we can get a link on here.
The idea being we are not actively being negative before, after or during a match itself, but on mass we need to let the board know how we feel.
Ciaran, I have no idea how many people would sign the petition but i’m guessing if we could get tens of thousands (ambitious i know) then get it through the national media, Kenwright would have a hard time ignoring, after all it is his era that defined the peoples club and I believe he was once on record as saying he didn’t want to be the man to take us away from goodison and wanted the fans to have the final say.
The petition would not neccessarily be for the no voters, but simply an opportunity for the club to re-assess the opinions of its supporters, if YES is the right answer then in theory the consensus of the supporters should be evident in a second vote.
This ground has split our entire fan base, now with more information available surely the club need to be sure it still represents the collective view of its supporters.
The idea being we are not actively being negative before, after or during a match itself, but on mass we need to let the board know how we feel.
Ciaran, I have no idea how many people would sign the petition but i’m guessing if we could get tens of thousands (ambitious i know) then get it through the national media, Kenwright would have a hard time ignoring, after all it is his era that defined the peoples club and I believe he was once on record as saying he didn’t want to be the man to take us away from goodison and wanted the fans to have the final say.
The petition would not neccessarily be for the no voters, but simply an opportunity for the club to re-assess the opinions of its supporters, if YES is the right answer then in theory the consensus of the supporters should be evident in a second vote.
This ground has split our entire fan base, now with more information available surely the club need to be sure it still represents the collective view of its supporters.
Ciarán
You're right of course, but who amongst us would not dearly love to publicly take away BK’s precious mandate?
You're right of course, but who amongst us would not dearly love to publicly take away BK’s precious mandate?
Spurs are clearly a club going places...classy stadium, excellent business plan, exciting attacking players and a very good manager.
The only two areas we can glote about is David Moyes and our history.
Very depressing.
The only two areas we can glote about is David Moyes and our history.
Very depressing.
Dave,
Again, like the other Dave I commend your intentions...but it quite clear that the media has some kind of fondness for the current regime at Everton. We’ve had numerous media ’planks’ in the last while in the media extolling Kenwright as some kind of paragon of virtue — in a sea of money mad football clubs... They are either equally oblivious to the prevailing wind or they take Kenwright at face value...
What I’ve learned about Kenwright... is that he can ignore almost anything.
However, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try... because most certainly the most destructive force at this club is not Kenwright, but the apathy that allows the sore to fester... so again, you are to be commended.
Again, like the other Dave I commend your intentions...but it quite clear that the media has some kind of fondness for the current regime at Everton. We’ve had numerous media ’planks’ in the last while in the media extolling Kenwright as some kind of paragon of virtue — in a sea of money mad football clubs... They are either equally oblivious to the prevailing wind or they take Kenwright at face value...
What I’ve learned about Kenwright... is that he can ignore almost anything.
However, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try... because most certainly the most destructive force at this club is not Kenwright, but the apathy that allows the sore to fester... so again, you are to be commended.
Karl Masters, re expansion at Kirkby. Althougha cap of 50,000 is currently on, if transport can be drasticly improved then surely that cap can be increased in the future?
So the question is do Everton have faith in improving the transport there? Do they have faith in Everton being succesful there?
If the answer was yes then they would make more provisions for expansion. Of course, the question may not be ’do they have faith’ it could be ’do they care’?
So the question is do Everton have faith in improving the transport there? Do they have faith in Everton being succesful there?
If the answer was yes then they would make more provisions for expansion. Of course, the question may not be ’do they have faith’ it could be ’do they care’?
Few things.
Firstly if the stadium vote was re-run then I think most of us know what the result would be.
Secondly I really don’t give a flying fuck what Spurs, or anybody else, does or doesn’t do.
But on Spurs: They do have more money than we do by virtue of ENIC’s long standing ownership & Joe Louis being a billionaire.
Their current ground is an absolute bastard to get to and from by any form of transport. I have driven there several times having only lived some 10 miles away at one stage. 3 hours each way. An hour to park and 2 hours after the game just getting back on to main road. That’s with only 35,000, so will be awesome watching 56,000 trying to get away from the crap hole.
Kirkby is a dead duck. Nobody of a blue persuasion really wants it. But it remain the only deal on the table for all the reasons debated 7.5 million times on here. I’m a joint stadium supporter because it ticks far & away the most boxes. But, like the aspirations of KEIOC and others, we’re flogging a dead horse right now. Just like Kirkby in fact.
Deeply sad.
Firstly if the stadium vote was re-run then I think most of us know what the result would be.
Secondly I really don’t give a flying fuck what Spurs, or anybody else, does or doesn’t do.
But on Spurs: They do have more money than we do by virtue of ENIC’s long standing ownership & Joe Louis being a billionaire.
Their current ground is an absolute bastard to get to and from by any form of transport. I have driven there several times having only lived some 10 miles away at one stage. 3 hours each way. An hour to park and 2 hours after the game just getting back on to main road. That’s with only 35,000, so will be awesome watching 56,000 trying to get away from the crap hole.
Kirkby is a dead duck. Nobody of a blue persuasion really wants it. But it remain the only deal on the table for all the reasons debated 7.5 million times on here. I’m a joint stadium supporter because it ticks far & away the most boxes. But, like the aspirations of KEIOC and others, we’re flogging a dead horse right now. Just like Kirkby in fact.
Deeply sad.
Interesting isn’t it. That’s a few people who have suggested a joint stadium now.
But I know a number of supporters who voted in favour of Kirkby but would never go to a joint stadium. It just shows the delights of being the owner of a club when you have thousands of fans - all with different ideas of what you should do!
But I know a number of supporters who voted in favour of Kirkby but would never go to a joint stadium. It just shows the delights of being the owner of a club when you have thousands of fans - all with different ideas of what you should do!
I’d be more than willing toconsider a joint stadium. Anyone with a brain would.....
Anyway, got to go... off the that ’ crap-hole’ than Alan K calls WHL for the match. COYBB!!!!! Oh alright then, Come on you Purples!!!
Anyway, got to go... off the that ’ crap-hole’ than Alan K calls WHL for the match. COYBB!!!!! Oh alright then, Come on you Purples!!!
It’s been mentioned already but first thing I thought was it looked just like Kings Dock. Raises the question to me, Kirkby or not, why does the stadium design have to change just because it’s not located there. It could still have the retractable roof etc. All comes down to money I guess.
What really really annoys me is how inept the government is. Make a sodding decision so we can move on either way. The Victorians never bothered with all this bureacracy. Progress is held back because someone complains a squirrel might have to have his tree compulsory purchased,
What really really annoys me is how inept the government is. Make a sodding decision so we can move on either way. The Victorians never bothered with all this bureacracy. Progress is held back because someone complains a squirrel might have to have his tree compulsory purchased,
The Victorians also advocated child labour, slavery and bikes with unfeasibly large front wheels..
A thought occurred to me (and as I have a kind of posting Tourettes, here it is)
One of the criticisms levelled by those unconcerned by a move to Kirkby or supporting it, is that Walton/Everton is "a fuckin’ shithole’’.
I’ve seen this many times on TW.
Well in 1980, I moved to London and my first address was 88 White Hart Lane.
It was, as the Aussies say, ’as rough as guts’.
One night a car foot-pump came sailing through our window.....THREE FLOORS UP!
Not long after, four of us were legged out of a chippy on Tottenham High Road one night, because of..our accents. Fellers appeared from all over the place (about 20 in all). A passing patrol car, stopped them in their tracks and I’m convinced, stopped us being killed that night.
In our local pub (The Station) it was heaving with lunatics. One night, we were treated to a feller sticking a big safety pin into his own arm - blood everywhere.
Since then, the area has NOT become gentrified like Camden or Hoxton, it is still a rough, potentially very dangerous place.
(gun crime, knife crime, gang crime, all out of control according to a mate who is a social worker there).
Yet instead of Spurs saying "Let’s move towards Crouch End or Muswell Hill", the fans, the Chaiman, the board, the manager, everyone seems to agree that Tottenham FC MUST stay in the district of Tottenham".
So, they get a new ground, but their supporters get to make the same journey their dads and grandads made, to the same part of London that their club has been in for decades (nb: clue’s in the name....like Everton)
In fact, to hear anyone from Tottenham FC talk, anything else would be unthinkable.
I agree with them.
One of the criticisms levelled by those unconcerned by a move to Kirkby or supporting it, is that Walton/Everton is "a fuckin’ shithole’’.
I’ve seen this many times on TW.
Well in 1980, I moved to London and my first address was 88 White Hart Lane.
It was, as the Aussies say, ’as rough as guts’.
One night a car foot-pump came sailing through our window.....THREE FLOORS UP!
Not long after, four of us were legged out of a chippy on Tottenham High Road one night, because of..our accents. Fellers appeared from all over the place (about 20 in all). A passing patrol car, stopped them in their tracks and I’m convinced, stopped us being killed that night.
In our local pub (The Station) it was heaving with lunatics. One night, we were treated to a feller sticking a big safety pin into his own arm - blood everywhere.
Since then, the area has NOT become gentrified like Camden or Hoxton, it is still a rough, potentially very dangerous place.
(gun crime, knife crime, gang crime, all out of control according to a mate who is a social worker there).
Yet instead of Spurs saying "Let’s move towards Crouch End or Muswell Hill", the fans, the Chaiman, the board, the manager, everyone seems to agree that Tottenham FC MUST stay in the district of Tottenham".
So, they get a new ground, but their supporters get to make the same journey their dads and grandads made, to the same part of London that their club has been in for decades (nb: clue’s in the name....like Everton)
In fact, to hear anyone from Tottenham FC talk, anything else would be unthinkable.
I agree with them.
Eugene, I too used to live in North London, funnily enough Crouch End, strange place, used to find squirrels sat on my car when I went out to go to work then next moment police cars tear arsing past on their way to a call. I went in to the 7-11 one evening to get some milk to have to step around one of the shop staff nonchalontly mopping the floor, I didn’t realise until I stepped back around him on my way out it was blood he was mopping up from some bloke being stabbed there a few minutes earlier in broad daylight, now this was early 1990s but folk still love the place.
I mentioned must have been over a year ago now in one of the stadium debates asking the question if L4 is such a shithole then why oh why are the RS adamant about building a stadium there? Like you rightly pointed out, keeping the club where the supporters expect and want it; where they are used to.
I mentioned must have been over a year ago now in one of the stadium debates asking the question if L4 is such a shithole then why oh why are the RS adamant about building a stadium there? Like you rightly pointed out, keeping the club where the supporters expect and want it; where they are used to.
Ciarán, slavery was abolished in 1772, the Victorian era began in 1837. Child labour is still present today, it’s just hidden in far away countries. I agree on the bikes with ridiculously large wheels though!
Sh*thole or not, Tottenham are staying in Tottenham because they have an enormous car park to build on. They already own the land, so it is a no-brainer from their perspective.
We own our land, too, but the footprint is not big enough to accomodate a significant stadium with growth potential.
The board’s argument is that there is no available land big enough to accomodate what we need in the Everton or Walton area. Also we have no money, so have to rely on third party investment, in the case of Kirkby it is Tesco. Again Tottenham are loaded, so their situation is completely different to ours.
We own our land, too, but the footprint is not big enough to accomodate a significant stadium with growth potential.
The board’s argument is that there is no available land big enough to accomodate what we need in the Everton or Walton area. Also we have no money, so have to rely on third party investment, in the case of Kirkby it is Tesco. Again Tottenham are loaded, so their situation is completely different to ours.
Roy Mcleod
How do you know Sheff wed will not finance this?
Sheff utd are doing something similar to their already massive kop end too.
These clubs have all slowly built their grounds over a period whilst we have lived in Billybulls dream world wasting tens of thousands in the process so I would not compare everyone to us.
As for your 80.000 planning permission on Walton Hall Park, how long have we been trying to get Planning permission for a cheap 45,000 flat pack in no mans land?
So put that shout to bed mate.
How do you know Sheff wed will not finance this?
Sheff utd are doing something similar to their already massive kop end too.
These clubs have all slowly built their grounds over a period whilst we have lived in Billybulls dream world wasting tens of thousands in the process so I would not compare everyone to us.
As for your 80.000 planning permission on Walton Hall Park, how long have we been trying to get Planning permission for a cheap 45,000 flat pack in no mans land?
So put that shout to bed mate.
Wow Alasdair, where have you been burying your head?
" Also we have no money, so have to rely on third party investment, in the case of Kirkby it is Tesco "
I just can’t believe that some are still coming up with that beauty.
Tesco have stated numerous times that they will not be giving any kind monetary investment to us.
" Also we have no money, so have to rely on third party investment, in the case of Kirkby it is Tesco "
I just can’t believe that some are still coming up with that beauty.
Tesco have stated numerous times that they will not be giving any kind monetary investment to us.
Dan,
As much as I’d like to get into a debate about Victorian values, suffice to say that, and notwithstanding legal declarations, slavery was alive and well in the Victorian era...
As much as I’d like to get into a debate about Victorian values, suffice to say that, and notwithstanding legal declarations, slavery was alive and well in the Victorian era...
Did anyone else listen to that closet Mike Parry on Talksport today slating Spurs idea of building a hotel next to the stadium, saying it would be too far from the city to attract buisness? Yet the same two-faced bastard defends Kirkby to the hilt.
This is another case of one of Kenwrights corporate lounge lizards in the media who won't say a word against him and hails him as a saviour of EFC... Of course if he does say anything against Kirkby his freebies will stop.
I find it very strange that not one person on tv, radio or the local press has got the balls to challenge this nightmare.
This is another case of one of Kenwrights corporate lounge lizards in the media who won't say a word against him and hails him as a saviour of EFC... Of course if he does say anything against Kirkby his freebies will stop.
I find it very strange that not one person on tv, radio or the local press has got the balls to challenge this nightmare.
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Their chairman says it all:- "We have designed what will be a vibrant area 365 days a year and not a stadium with dead space surrounding it," said Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy. Maybe, just maybe, if BK had a business brain, acumen and vision Everton could be looking at something like this.