If Cahill’s form has dropped - either through tiredness or injury or whatever reason - he should be rested. I say that without criticism of the man. It’s just the same rule for him as everyone else. Being committed to Everton (as he undoubtedly is) is not a guarantee of a first team place.

Cahill has just been rubbish all season in a variety of positions, including his natural one. Trouble is there is no-one who can take over from him so talk of him being dropped is futile, even though he deserves it.

Moyes should shut his mouth about buyers and get on with the bloody job he is paid millions for! Investment would not make any bloody difference with him in charge. The best possible scenario is a buyer comes in who shows the door to both Kenwright and Moyes!

Cahill has scored 2 goals in 20 games - his form is not good enough to be in the first team - you said yourself Patrick that he has had injuries, it is now showing...

I don’t buy it that this is all Kenwright’s fault and we should moan at him - yes he doesn’t have more money to invest. However, I look at how Chelsea are performing this season under a new management team with the same squad as last season and think - Could we do a change also??

How dare you suggest a change, are you saying for one minute that Moyes is not good enough? He is, for god's sake man, he saved us in 2002 and called us the People's Club, he is a saviour, without him where would we be?

In a relegation place, playing shite football, wasting money on talentless players, winning fuck all for years, hearing excuses week-in week-out, blaming injuries... Oh just a minute, this is the situation, this Everton thing must be on a 7-year cycle... bring in the next new young good manager!

Thomas, with the squad Chelsea has, I could manage them.

Since when is commitment an adequate stand in for talent?

If you can’t see how anyone can moan about Cahill or Moyes...Try watching us play.

Yours is a slightly muddled argument Patrick.

Firstly, as Ciaran points out, commitment itself is irrelevant if not supported by ability. And past performance does not itself warrant endless tolerance now. There is no room for sentiment alone in sport, or indeed in business. The two are inseparable for EFC.

To put it in perspective;

Cahill has been quite magnificent for Everton for much of his time here. But last season he was patchy/indifferent, perhaps due to a changed role. Whilst this season he has been utterly ineffectual. It gives me no satisfaction at all to say it, but from a club/business perspective I’d have sold Cahill in the summer when he could have fetched £5m or more.

Perhaps we’re paying the price for a small squad, or perhaps we’re paying the price of David Moyes’s inability to make such decisions. It’s also true that being skint rather distorts normal due process. Players are retained longer than is optimum and we lose — both on the pitch and in the bank.

As for Moyes, I’m sorry but as JM Keynes said, when the facts change I change my view, what do you do? Please explain Moyes’s commitment from May till October last year, when he refused to sign a contract, fucked up the pre-season, unsettled the squad, and confused & irritated the fans. He was exploring new frontiers but none came knocking.

It’s hard to be dispassionate in football, but sometimes you have to be. Moyes, Cahill and everyone else are just transient employees of an organisation that is 130 years old. They will eventually be replaced, it’s just a question of when.

They also have objectives and the club and fans have expectations. If neither or both is not met satisfactorily then, as in other fields of life, change may be necessary. I suggest it is now and that it would not be unfair at all.

It hasn’t all been plain sailing under Moyes. We have had more than one melt down in his 7 years. On top of the fantastic 4, 5, 5, 6, 7 in 7 years, there was a nerve jangling 17th, ignominious cup exits to many lower league clubs, and record thrashings from Arsenal (twice), Man City (before billionaireship), Benfica and Dinamo Bucharest. Not to mention the worst start in EPL history, with 1 goal in our first 9 games.

Indecision can be very costly. Indecision by Moyes on tactics & substitutions has cost us many times. Indecision by the board on the team’s management risks doing us untold damage. Moyes looks like a beaten man who needs someone to make the decision for him.

Both Moyes and Cahill deserve huge appreciation for what they have done. They deserve it. In an ideal world they’d get a proper send off. But life moves on and so now must Everton.

Schindelmeiser or Di Matteo, in that order.

If yer know yer ’istory everyone:

Prior to David Moyes we delighted in finishing 15th, 17th, 14th, 13th, 16th and 15th. Not even a top half finish in sight.

Here we are, on a run of 6th, 5th and 5th again in the last three years — not to mention a top four finish in 2005, regular European qualification and a cup final and semi-final — and he’s got to go?

Please don’t think me, or optimists like me, are content with where we are now. We’re not. But please get a sense of perspective.

Arteta and Jagielka are THE two most influential players in our team and even without them we managed to win our way to the FA Cup Final last year. Sadly, their absence is catching up with us now, never mind the host of others who have subsequently joined them on the treatment table.

For those two, read Lampard & Terry, Vidic & Rooney, Fabregas & Van Persie, Torres & Gerrard... How would their teams cope without their two most influential players for all this time? So give ours, and our manager, some consideration.

We’re going to struggle. But it’s not terminal and we’re only just past a third of the season gone. How can you want him out? Predecessors such as Walter Smith were taking us backwards and clearly had to go. Moyes is taking us upwards and will continue to do so.

And whilst I admire Alan (Kirwin), for at least having the decency to suggest Schindelmeiser or Di Matteo as replacements, might I counter with the likes of Christian Gross and Paul Ince... they did a great job when fast-tracked to the top didn’t they?

Be patient. It’s embarrassing right now and I can’t see any hope of coming home with anything from Athens (unless they really are as inept as they looked at Goodison), but give Moyes his due and let’s see what happens in a few weeks’ time when the transfer window opens again.

He’s not stupid, so give the guy a break.

Were those who are clamouring for his head right now, doing so a few months ago on Wembley Way. I doubt it?

Knee-jerk nonsense.

David, I admire your optimism with regards to the transfer window, but I fear it will come and go without any improvement on our part.

Also, you may call Alan’s response knee-jerk nonsense, but if you didn’t realize, we have been decidedly mediocre for quite a few years now. And no, I’m not some young punk who only started watching football in the last 5 years. I’ve been an Everton supporter for the last 25 years.

Being able to punch above our weight into the FA Cup Final or reach the Champions’ League does not constitute improvement unless it is built on and achieved consistently. This is something the current management team has not been able to achieve. Like it or not, money is the catalyst for this.

Money + Commitment + Talent = Success + Consistency

And for those who keep spruiking for Kenwright to go (I agree by the way), perhaps this displeasure needs to be displayed more vehemently. The general consensus of our club from outsiders is that we are content with the status quo. A more hostile reception to Kenwright at Goodison may just force his hand, instead of him spouting his "I’m looking for the right buyer" crap like a broken record.

Rant over!

I agree with this article, everything comes back to Kenwright, full stop. He’s not got, or capable of attracting, the funds this club is desperate for... yet he will not step aside. If he is only looking for the kind of investment where someone will hand over big bucks and let him still call the shots, he’ll be waiting a very long time as who in their right mind would do that with Bungling Bill’s catalogue of fuck-up after fuck-up?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_football_club_owners

Not to sure how many of you guys and gals have seen this as it is easy to find, but have a quick look.

Take away Earl who has short arms and deep pockets and look at what the current owners have between them.

Keep scrolling and look at the championship owners as well.

£10M is a lot of money to Joe Bloggs in the street and I know Kenwright has owned the club for a while but £10M cannot fund a football club anymore.

Looking at this list the only thing that comes to mind is....

We are fooked!!

Off again, lets kick BK as he is stopping investment! Maybe he should get away from his “little world of north London” and move in to the world of inner Liverpool self-pity and "it’s always somebody else’s fault"!!!

BK doesn’t own EFC and he could not stop a take over if one was muted or even implemented. Please understand that BK is a major shareholder and not an owner, he owns less than 30% of our great club so, in my mind, no matter how arrogant or self obsessed you all believe he is, in my calculations a hostile bid either through the press or through the boardroom is achievable as he has clearly stated on many occasions we are up for sale or investment.

The truth of the matter is so clear, nobody, yes nobody has ever made a serious offer or intention to purchase EFC. So, rather than blaming somebody who has the for sale sign up, just maybe the club we all love is not a great purchase.

Get real, we have limited revenue streams, medium fan base, no major assets and an infrastructure that requires £200 million plus investment — and that’s before players and good will to purchase the business. It has nothing to do with the salesman offering the sale, it has all to do with the product he is offering!!

Yes, he has been on the board for over 10 years and you blame him, fair point... but he has never had wealth to sustain the investment that is required.

On the other hand, the Granchesters do have considerable wealth and have been on the board for many years until recently, yet nobody abuses then for not dipping in to their estimated £500 million fortune? COYB!!

Alan, with a modicum of common sense you would realise the nature of the shareholding distribution at Everton make a takeover tricky and potentially time consuming against clubs who actually want to sell. Who paid for Earl’s shares? How much does Kenwrong owe Philip Green? Has Jon Woods ever been heard to speak at an AGM or EGM? If ownership of Everton relied on buying Kenwrong AND Woods out maybe thats why people don’t bother, maybe the price is a farce, maybe the debt is much larger than known. Your supposition is as good as anyone else’s.

Granchester was a backer of the Gregg investment for the KD project and as Gregg was character assasinated and bullshitted out of the club, I think there lies the exit of Granchester and the reason why he and his money are no longer anywhere near the club.

One word for Cahills form over the past season and a half...Fellaini! Motes bought Fell as a centre mid but because he’s not good enough to play there, instead of dropping him Moyes pushes him further upfield and plays the less expensive Cahill out of podition! Remember, Cahills best form over the last year was when he played center forward. He’s not a centre, left, or right mid and never has been! Moyes has to take large part of blame for cahills drop in form

Alan Wiliams, where did Kenwright say the club was up for sale? I’ve not seen that quote. He’s said that you need to be a billionaire & not just a millinaire owner nowadays, he’s said he’s looking for "investment" - 24/7, & he’s said he’ll talk to anybody who has a serious proposal to make. But the club stated at the inquiry that none of the Board proposed to sell as they were all committed to DK - that may now change but I haven’t seen any announcement or comment to that effect. Quite simply, Kenwright can not sell the club as he doesn’t own it, he can only sell his shareholding - the club can only be sold to a new owner if enough shareholders all wish to sell so as to offer a controlling interest, at least.

I have no doubt Bill is as blue as all of us and i have been one of his biggest supporters over the years but the time has come for him and the rest of the liars to fuck off and get us some real investors.Moyes can only manage what he has available to him and until he has real investment he will always be judged as a good manager who gets the best out of a average team.

I am sick of people of this site spouting off about "if you know your history". What a complete load of crap. History we have won fuck all for nearly 15 years. What is there to shout about? Get a life, get real, we are playing crap, soon our history will be Championship biased if we don't do something quickly.

It’s not Kenwright that has started the last 5 home games with one up front and the last 5 away games ( save Utd) with 2 up front. Should it be the other way around?

Against Wolves we had just the one forward and 2 holding midfield players.

We haven't beaten a top 4 team for something like 30 games. This may be because we dont attack them. We sit back and concede and unsuccessfully chase the game.


The first half against Utd was an embarassment and to see us doinga containing job at home to newly promoted Wolves and also Stoke was a disgrace.

Our tactics this eason seems to be not concede and nick something on the break.

The tactics of a coward.

I think Tim is one of very few who have stood up and taken on some responsibility for us this season, he has as always tried his heart out, been played out of position without moaning, and has been the only player so far who has been worthy of being our captain in the absence of Phil (Yobo was awful and Osman is not exactly a natural leader is he, although I preferred him to Yobo but that is not much of a compliment).

Tim had never been the most skillful or creative of our players and I think what people expected of him was that he would all of a sudden become our Mikel and Pienaar rolled in to one. His main attribute is to rough other teams up and finish moves off and I think he has put pressure on himself to try and do everything for us because no-one else is and that has affected his form.

I wouldn't get on his back, we really need him at the moment... he might need a rest but with the injuries and difficulties we are having at the moment, who could replace him?!!

Having recovered from yet another awful week, I’ve come to a few conclusions about the current setup.

Firstly, Kenwright is now dead in the water. According to BK, Kirkby was the saviour of everything at this club — it would lead to increased income, spending power and status — just like City. A big juicy worm for some Arab to come and swallow.

Well, despite assurances that it was virtually a done deal, it's dead. We’re now left with a crap slum of a stadium and a team that’s floundering around the basement because this board has hoarded its cash to pay for Kirkby.

To blame Moyes is plain stupid. We all know that since 2005 every close season has seen us make noises about buying early only to become frustrated and lose out on players because we don’t come up with the dosh that the likes of Villa, Spurs and the rest regularly do. This board has continually failed to deliver on promises, and to tell us that we spent more than the Lescott money is an insult to our intelligence.

Is it any wonder that Moyes is getting pissed off when he knows that whatever he does he’ll always have to work overtime just to stand still at this club? Suddenly, assistant manager at Man U may seem very attractive — and who can blame him!

For BK to also consistently say that there’s no interest in buying this club is also a joke. Please don’t tell me that the likes of Pompey and Birmingham are a more attractive proposition to investors — it stinks.

Also, the old argument about one-city clubs being more attractive doesn’t stand up either — Birmingham and Man City disprove that. What this really feels like is the old Everton trick of trying to do everything on the cheap.

But please don’t get me wrong, Moyes isn’t completely innocent, he has made poor buys and decisions but every time it happens here it gets magnified because he ain’t got the money to put it right, and a bad injury to a player just totally cocks his plans up.

If Moyes had been properly backed during his tenure we’d be a regular top 4 side; he hasn’t and look at the mess we’re in. BK has to raid his piggy bank in January and give Moyes some proper cash to spend — don’t forget, we’re losing Piennar, Yobo and the Yak for the African Nations cup — after that he can move on.

Thanks very much, Bill, we all know you love the club, you have given us back our self respect since the infamous Peter Johnson but ultimately your time and limited resources have run out.

“…Gregg was character assasinated and bullshitted out of the club…”

Which is something you can prove is it, Gavin? And I do mean prove. Like with real factual evidence? Thought not.
Or are you confusing an opinion with a fact? Probably.

Not claiming to be privy to facts (unlike yourself, Gavin) I’d guess Paul Gregg is a hardnosed businessman well used to the hustle & bustle boardroom life who’s more than capable of looking after himself & would have left our club (reluctantly or not) under his own steam.

Problem with these type of debates is they shed more heat than light.

If you believed everything you read on here (and God help you if you do) ours is a club perpetually 5 minutes from destruction & oblivion whilst the likes of Portsmouth & Notts County (Jesus wept) go from strength to strength by attracting the likes of investment Bill wilfully blocks. And when I say “investment” I really mean penniless headcases.

But if that’s what you dream of for Everton FC then who am I to stop you?

Tony for your short memory

Exhibit one - FSF created by BK when Gregg offered to finance the KD project, not so oddly after Gregg’s departure so did FSF like a whisp of theatrical smoke, or did someone else invent that Tony? Pretty coincidental even for the apologista

Exhibit two - the newspaper articles appearing in the Daily Post and Liverpool Echo at the same time - hmmm Trinity newspapers affiliated directly to the payroll of the club, or did the ongoing pro Everton newspapers make those up too Tony?

For some there is no telling even in black and white, for others there is the ability to look, read and make your mind up.

Suppose the NTL deal didn’t exist either, or Nyarko’s contract longer than his work permit, or "watch this space", or "don’t ask me I’m just the chairman" or "I’m not going to answer that" or "I’m looking for someone to buy the club" reiterated by his CEO, despite the documents on DK showing again in black and white that not one of the major shareholders were willing to sell or dilute their shareholding in the club, now come on Tony pull your head out of the sand, take off the BK tinted specs and smell the coffee.

Gavin
you beat me to it.

Tony
we’ve got a penniless headcase in charge now.