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One person who seems to escaped much deserved criticism over the DK farce is Mr Elstone. Remember his ludicrous scare story in the summer of 2008 that the club has to 'move or die'?
Then, in Cup Final week, he publicly dismissed fans who didn't want to go to Kirkby as 'flimsy'. Leaving this City wasn't an issue with him but then when the new shop opened in Liverpool 1 he had the cheek to say it will 'enhance our standing in the City'!!
Then finally, literally hours after DK was throw out, we had the pathetic sight of him being interviewed begging LFC for possible talks about a joint stadium... I put my head under my pillow dying of embarrassment! People say he's better than Wyness but I think this bloke is even more out of his depth. Get rid.
Ste Traverse, Posted 02/12/2009 at 00:23:02
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Well said Ste
And while we’re at it has anyone heard a peep from "True Blue Terry Leahy" since his "deliverable world class stadium" failed to materialise ?
Lets judge the man on what he does now before we start calling for his head.
He will of course toe the party line and has been involved in DK since the start... but now is his chance to shine at the helm; let's see what he does from now on with a clean slate.
I think he’s an intelligent fella, let's see if he uses it in a constructive way...
Elstone isn't all that experienced from what I've read so getting this job must be a bit of a bonus for him and the last thing he will want to do is upset his boss, hence the Kenwrightesque quotes he comes out with.
If I was Kenwright and I (a) wanted to keep control of the club and (b) didn't want the world to know just how much debt it is in then I would employ a relatively inexperienced yes-man to keep the status quo.
A ringing endorsment if ever I heard one.
Sorry if someone else has picked up on this or not but even if DK had gone ahead did anyone notice that Everton didn’t even put in for any World Cup games? I caught the end of a report on the radio which implied as much, surely that speaks volumes of the board’s ambition.
And now we wait for plan zzzzz.
I think the article is a little unfair on Robert Elstone because we do not know what his targets are.
For example there may be a clause in his contract that will see him receive a bonus for relocating Everton to a new stadium but no such clause for overseeing a redevelopment of Goodison Park.
That was reinforced with his "We are looking to make squad additions early in the close season" which turned out ot be utter deceipt.
He appears to be a weaker character than his predecessors and is now toeing the familiar Kenwright party line of putting out misinformation.
Free of these idiots that keep lying to us and making people like you think as a club were sitting pretty with a world class manager and Evertonian Chairman who does everything 24/7 for the club he loves. This is far from "knee-jerk — supporters have been saying this for the last few seasons, fact.
There are people out there, and you will be surprised by the numbers, that are not just satisfied with this over-achieving and so-called progress. We may have finished 5th in the last 2 seasons but the football has been very very poor and other teams like Villa and City have been turning the corner too. The difference with them is the progression is on going and the football is getting better with it.
Football clubs are changing too a new level of existing both on the pitch and at board room level. If a club can’t get the fundamental low-level basics right then how the hell can they be expected to progress with the times and compete with the top 4. Manchester United is a perfect example of how it’s done and how progression is sustained until you're no.1 and then stay at the top.
People will say well Everton are doing it the same way, similar to the United board sticking with Ferguson. Well it’s clearly not the same because at our best we are still not progressing, just over-achieving. So the board need to go and that includes Elstone. You can’t just lay the blame on Kenwright although shit starts at the top of the hill.
We all know they are liars because they have all lied to us many times. Do we trust liars???? I hope not. So we get rid and we get rid of the lot. Fresh start, new ideas, a blue print for progression.
The lack of atmosphere at Goodison tells me that people are thinking the same as me. Don’t settle for over achieving, settle for progression and consistency allowing us to turn up to games like Everton v Arsenal expecting good football (from the home side) and a home win.
It’s not the fuckin Utd way to stick with Moyes... he is a great manager and believe me he will (injuries permitting) turn this season around and prove the fikkles wrong ONCE again.
Off the field we need investment - that would come with a new stadium.
Oh and the comment earlier about not putting in to host a world cup game... the state of Goodison at the moment - it can hardly handle a Premier League game. COYB
Can you point out to me which part of my reply gave you that impression? I am a season ticket holder and have been for more years than I care to remember. So please don’t class me as some sort of nieve fool who is taken in by the constant stream of bullshit that has been fed to us over the years.
What I was trying to point out is that demanding that heads roll, especially of somebody who the jury is still out on is not always the answer. Thats all I was saying, nothing more and nothing less.
Wear a nice suit, smile, talk bollocks.
Someone should tell him, it didn’t fucking work for Idi Amin.
He makes the mistake a lot his type (yes there IS a type) do.
Based on nothing but a mad personality flaw, he assumes everyone else in the world is a bit slow and he is capable of bending them to his will.
I’ve worked with hundreds of Elstones, over the years - people who’s careers can be summed up as ’failing upwards’.
They’re like unfunny George Costanzas.
Supporting DK and actively pushing for it tells me he hasn’t a clue.
I could say I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could kick him, however I have a feeling with him, that would be quite a distance.
You know what I see when I look beyond the suit, the tie, the smile, the ’openness’, the ’personality’?
A thinner, more sly Wyness.
Who can argue with a dialetic like that...eh mr Ruane.
Now if any of their so vehement critics are also monied men/women, why not buy enough shares to be able to make your ’points’ more forcibly.
Over the past 12 month or so, I have read what I consider many libellous comments of BK and associates and wonder at the standing in our community of such persons. What extraordinary gifts have they been given to justify their comments, often with no positive evidence of the ’crimes’ they accuse the so called guilty of contemplating. At least they were trying to do something, so many contributors to this site just criticise.
Next time you take up your pens, first read what has gone before and decide how useful your comments are going to be.
However, he was certainly all for Kirkby and just repeated parrot like that it was all the club could afford. I was also very unimpressed by his press conference last year where he wheeled some report (from construction experts assisting at Kirkby, so hardly impartial) claiming it would cost £75m to redevelop the Bullens Road stand. The logic seemingly applied was that a new stadium would cost £300m so divide by 4 to get one side! Utter bollox and scare mongering of the highest order.
He honestly admitted only 3 weeks ago when asked if Everton had ever asked LCC what they could do to help that actually no approach by EFC had been made. Although he chose his words quite carefully, I guess he didn’t have to admit that, especially as it seemed a pretty pathetic thing to admit in all honesty.
So he seems quite open. Whether that shows refreshing honesty or a somewhat naive blind faith in BK I just don’t know yet. Time will tell I guess, but if he says 1,000 fans wil cycle to the match I guess we’ll know the answer!
If BK or any of his cronies deem it libel or defamation of character, they only need look up my long standing season ticket for my full contact details... strangely they never have; maybe they aren’t as sensitive as you, Tim.. or maybe they think it’s not worth it... or maybe they have an inkling the adverse publicity would be as bad because I would sure as hell drag the whole thing into the nationals myself. The millionaire versus the working man (albeit an MD of his own business more than capable of looking after himself).
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1 Posted 02/12/2009 at 08:21:30
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Ok, so we throw out all of those above and where does that leave us? A bold, bright new world? I don't think so. Let's continue with the proper debate on here and leave the knee-jerk "sack everybody" mantra alone.