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A growing number of Evertonians have been mightily pissed off by Davey Moyes this season, not necessarily because of our results, let's face it, given our injury crisis most would be prepared to overlook them.
No, it's been DM's approach to the games that's really getting so many people down, it's been negative, ultra negative... and not just against the top teams, against newly promoted teams Moyes has still been excessively cautious... until now!
The Lion from the Wizard of Oz will swagger into Goodison fancying his chances today. He`ll tell his Spurs team that Everton are weakened, to go for the jugular. Moyes would normally try to stifle and nullify that, but today he can't, he simply doesn't have the personnel. So what are his options? Well they're pretty limited really, in fact the way I see it, he only has one.
Moyes will not risk his makeshift defence being ripped apart by a rampant Spurs; I believe he'll go for it, he'll send his boys out with one instruction, attack, attack with purpose.
Saha and Fellaini will be told to give their defence far more problems than Keane/Defoe and Crouch can give ours; Bily will be trusted to outshine Lennon; Cahill Rodwell and Pienaar will be charged with forcing the Spurs midfield to retreat.
"Attack is the best form of defence" they used to say... It certainly is if your boys at the back are inexperienced or playing out of position.
I would fully expect Moyes to slip straight back into his more cautious approach once he gets the right players back, but he can't tomorrow.
I predict a classic
IHSWR
Dave Wilson, Posted 05/12/2009 at 18:24:46
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Michael Kenrick
Nice try, Dave,... but methinks the ocelot is stuck with current fur pattern, and he ain't for changing. I'd love it... but I just can't see it.
What a load of crap! Moyes will instruct the team to defend and try and pinch a goal. Like we have all season. I think today's game will not be pretty and can see us conceeding at least a couple. I hope I’m wrong but, with our defence down on numbers and with some average players filling spots, we are in deep shit.
Dave, have you gone totally bonkers? You are in some kind of fantasy land if you think Moyes will go on the attack. He never has in 7 years and now we are staring the bottom 3 in the face if we lose today and at Chelsea. Moyes will be desperate not to lose so will continue with his outdated, totally negative 4-5-1. Not till he goes is attacking football going to grace Goodison again.
Mick, not that I disagree that he won’t go defensive tomorrow (cos he will and it’s entirely the correct thing to do), but you can’t have watched games like Chelsea, Arsenal, Wigan, Stoke and Villa (FAC) (all home games) just last season if you really believe the shite you just typed.
Dave, give me some of what you are drinking/taking because I would love to have the same hope that you do. If you are proved right then hats off to you, but I doubt it. Moyes will play 15 behind the ball and hope we get a 0-0. However, if Ii were Moyes I would use your formula as our threadbare squad won’t be able to cope with sustained pressure, so we have to control the game and tempo ourselves.
COYB
COYB
Dave Wilson - I’m assuming that the views given in your post are truely felt & freely given. However....
You may of course be an ’Ironic’ comedy genius, in which case can I have tickets to your forthcoming ’stand up’ show, as you made me laugh out loud.
Alternatively you may have had your drink ’spiked’ last night, so I’d drink somwhere else fella, before coming on TW.
If neither of the above apply, then let me let you in on a little secret about
’our Davey’. He doesn’t do attacking in football and indeed would like to change our club motto to "Och aye, I’d rather eat my own shit than attack"!
So what can you expect today?
Well I’d say more of the same defend at all cost’s mentality with players playing a game of ’square pegs in round holes’ before the inevitable injuries excuses at full time & a chairman swiftly exiting ’stage left’ to avoid the boos.
You see, Moyes would have made a fine WW1 general... Sending the boys ’over the top’ to the same inept tactical doctrine no matter how many times it fails!
You may of course be an ’Ironic’ comedy genius, in which case can I have tickets to your forthcoming ’stand up’ show, as you made me laugh out loud.
Alternatively you may have had your drink ’spiked’ last night, so I’d drink somwhere else fella, before coming on TW.
If neither of the above apply, then let me let you in on a little secret about
’our Davey’. He doesn’t do attacking in football and indeed would like to change our club motto to "Och aye, I’d rather eat my own shit than attack"!
So what can you expect today?
Well I’d say more of the same defend at all cost’s mentality with players playing a game of ’square pegs in round holes’ before the inevitable injuries excuses at full time & a chairman swiftly exiting ’stage left’ to avoid the boos.
You see, Moyes would have made a fine WW1 general... Sending the boys ’over the top’ to the same inept tactical doctrine no matter how many times it fails!
Now Marc, the WW1 reference is a good soundbite but completely innappropriate here.
Moyes's successes in the face of a lack of cash prove that he’s a good tacticitan. May not be beautiful flowing stuff, but it’s generally effective. The injuries have really messed us up and that’s it... It’s not an excuse, it’s just an explanation.
Moyes's successes in the face of a lack of cash prove that he’s a good tacticitan. May not be beautiful flowing stuff, but it’s generally effective. The injuries have really messed us up and that’s it... It’s not an excuse, it’s just an explanation.
I agree, we WILL go attacking... when we are losing! haha
Seriously though I think we will pull a rabbit out the hat
today.
Seriously though I think we will pull a rabbit out the hat
today.
There are some miserable people on this site!
Dave, nice thought but can’t agree, it would be insanity to try and take Spurs on in an open attacking game. With current player availability we’d get slaughtered.
Moyes has no option but to keep it tight, pack the midfield and protect whatever makeshift defence we manage to cobble together. Now that Peanuts and Bily are back we at least have some attacking threat so under current circumstances I’d certainly settle for grinding out a boring 1-0, although I think even that may be a bit optimistic.
Moyes has no option but to keep it tight, pack the midfield and protect whatever makeshift defence we manage to cobble together. Now that Peanuts and Bily are back we at least have some attacking threat so under current circumstances I’d certainly settle for grinding out a boring 1-0, although I think even that may be a bit optimistic.
Going by your logic, Hibbert will score the match winner. haha. You’re havin' a laugh.
What rock have you been hinding under during Moyes’s reign?
What rock have you been hinding under during Moyes’s reign?
Even if we had Arteta, Jags etc back today, Moyes would still set up not to get beat, and hope to snatch one. If we had Messi, Ronaldo and Kaka, Moyes would still set up not to get beat, and hope to nick one.
Dominic, My point is that a good tactician moves with the times & is constantly adapting thier approach.
I agree with you that he did have early success & that was down to him calling it right. I think he looked at our situation was one of the first to adopt and prosper with 4-5-1. However, the Premier League has moved on and even other teams that learnt from and adopted his approach have themselves changed & adapted but he has not.
I agree with you that he did have early success & that was down to him calling it right. I think he looked at our situation was one of the first to adopt and prosper with 4-5-1. However, the Premier League has moved on and even other teams that learnt from and adopted his approach have themselves changed & adapted but he has not.
Yes he has has injuries to contend with and I blame Kenright for our lack of numbers, not Moyes, but this hides the fact that, as Brian Waring says correctly, whoever he has, he’d set up the same.
It’s this inflexibility that led to my analogy. I just feel we’re going to get beat today if we are negative as Spur’s are a good attacking side, and this constantly happens when we play the top four.
Tottenham are set up to attack well. We’re set up to defend, badly. There can only be one outcome...
Mick (and plenty of others out there) be frustrated by all means, criticise David Moyes if it makes you feel better, but don’t rewrite history, we’re not stupid and we have memories, obviously better than yours.
It's not like Stewart’s mentioned the only games we’ve ever attacked in either. The fact is, when Moyes feels he has a full strength team and confidence is up we play pretty good football. It just aint happening at the moment.
It's not like Stewart’s mentioned the only games we’ve ever attacked in either. The fact is, when Moyes feels he has a full strength team and confidence is up we play pretty good football. It just aint happening at the moment.
This is the time when we need the 11th man,
SO COME ON YOU BLUE BOYS.
SO COME ON YOU BLUE BOYS.
When we beat Blackburn 3-0 the midfield was -
Osman Cahill Rodwell Fellaini Pienaar
with Saha up front.
The football at that time was godd passing stuff, and the goals were coming. With Bily for Ossie, the mf could look much the same today, and Bily is a much better PL player now than he was.
Spurs are a tought on right now, but we’ve got our midfield back. It makes a big difference.
Osman Cahill Rodwell Fellaini Pienaar
with Saha up front.
The football at that time was godd passing stuff, and the goals were coming. With Bily for Ossie, the mf could look much the same today, and Bily is a much better PL player now than he was.
Spurs are a tought on right now, but we’ve got our midfield back. It makes a big difference.
Mike "The fact is, when Moyes feels he has a full strength team and confidence is up we play pretty good football. It just aint happening at the moment."
Errr... When was that?!
Errr... When was that?!
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=57248&part=sportsA link for a number of streams. Take your pick:
Sorry 12th man, COYBB
Yobo and Neill play.
Midfield as predicted.
Jo to start.
Saha and Yak on bench.
Midfield as predicted.
Jo to start.
Saha and Yak on bench.
Martin,
That link didn’t work for me, however this one does: http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=57248&part=sports
That link didn’t work for me, however this one does: http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=57248&part=sports
Team - Howard, Neill, Yobo, Hibbert, Yobo, Pienaar, Bily, Rodwell, Fellaini, Cahill, Jo
Sorry, meant Bines
Got to leave that Jack Daniels alone! Meant Baines.
Looks like an & needs to replace that character at the end of 57248 when you are in myp2p. Odd that the & gets translated when pasting in TW.
Is Yobo limping? I think he needs to come off before he causes a goal.
This is fiery staff
This could be a one sided cricket score
Firey
Our defence is starting to resemble a wet paper bag. Could we be anymore unlucky with injuries?
Afternoon all,
http://www.iraqgoals.net/ch4.html appears to be working.
And i think Coleman is on for Yobo :(
http://www.iraqgoals.net/ch4.html appears to be working.
And i think Coleman is on for Yobo :(
Coleman has settled in very well at right back, Spurs look very dangerous, especially Defoe, but pretty evenly matched game at the moment.
hopefully this won’t curse it but excellent feed on here
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b1b8d6c2e140
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b1b8d6c2e140
Dawson booked, Spurs looked scared, spurs look like normal opposition
Jo is working his socks off
Dirty, dirty Dawson. Given that he’s just been booked, he’s very lucky. Maybe next time he won’t be?
we need a bit of luck in the last third or score a half chance.
I wish Howard would fk off sometimes. Coleman’s off the bench, started well and on his first mistake Howard’s screaming, waving his hands and making him look a cunt.
Is he part of this team or what?
Retarded.
Is he part of this team or what?
Retarded.
That was mighty close, now Jack should know better!
Exactly what was felli booked for?
Brill Hobbo
I thought this kind of game was banned for insurance reasons
Great save my Howard. Jo is working hard & playing well hibbo’s tackling well. Spurs are getting frustrated. This is good stuff.
Hibbo looks Beckenbauer-esqe at times!
Good half. Good to see a bit of passsion.
That strikes me as a team getting their spirit back.
I’m proud of them for that.
I’m proud of them for that.
Wouldn’t be surprised if akotta gets a second yellow for pessistant fouling, that lad is getting skinned too much
Hibbert and Jags for CBs of England! haha
I agree with you Ged, they’re certainly peforming much better.
If Defoe had took his chances we could be in trouble. Hibbert is having a blinder. I wonder what Arry has to say to his players about exploiting our small central defence in the second half. I think we will need to score to get anything out of this one.
It’s not a classic and Spurs looked as if they were going to run up the score early on compounded by Yobo’s fitness but all credit to the Blues for riding the storm and showing the spirit to come back.Referee is absolute crap.Has missed a lot early especially Asshole Ekotto push on Peanuts. Crouch as usual uses his arms a lot and Fellaini is a sure bet to get sent off. It will be a miracle if we can get a draw.It’s a pity Jo has no speed. Hibbert having the best game ever as long as we can keep them from sling in the high balls.Discipline is the key in the second half but somehow I doubt Moyes can instill it.
Careful, Steve. Let’s not get too ahead of ourselves.
Ernie, I’m sure you’re aware that Howard suffers from verbal Tourette’s Syndrome, and therefore that’s probably why he is screaming. I’m also fairly sure that Coleman is aware of it and therefore knows not to take it too seriously.
FWIW I think we might nick this. Tottenham don’t seem to have the same finesse that they have had in recent weeks and we are giving it a fair old go. Think MOTM has been Hibbert by a mile, just a shame he’s 5ft 8 as his positional play makes him a cracking centre-back - mind you, Cannavaro is 5ft 10.
Coleman looks much better than he did against Benfica when he was played out of position. Today and on Wednesday he has coped admirably, and I noticed after he came on Lennon was switched to the left to test him, and promptly moved back to the right as Coleman wasn’t giving him a sniff. Phil who?
Ernie, I’m sure you’re aware that Howard suffers from verbal Tourette’s Syndrome, and therefore that’s probably why he is screaming. I’m also fairly sure that Coleman is aware of it and therefore knows not to take it too seriously.
FWIW I think we might nick this. Tottenham don’t seem to have the same finesse that they have had in recent weeks and we are giving it a fair old go. Think MOTM has been Hibbert by a mile, just a shame he’s 5ft 8 as his positional play makes him a cracking centre-back - mind you, Cannavaro is 5ft 10.
Coleman looks much better than he did against Benfica when he was played out of position. Today and on Wednesday he has coped admirably, and I noticed after he came on Lennon was switched to the left to test him, and promptly moved back to the right as Coleman wasn’t giving him a sniff. Phil who?
We’re doing well, just need a bit more invention up front, maybe Saha can provide. You have to think with Lennon on this kind of form Spurs have got to score, so we will have to find the net. Coleman looks confident going forward, Fellaini looking strong again, wouldn’t be surprised though to see a red card for either team and that could just swing the match.
Andrew McLean,
Fellaini was booked for the retaliation to Assou-Ekotto’s stud-raking of Cahill’s grid. It wasn’t necessary as Cahill could handle the little nark perfectly well enough.
Rodwell’s first booking was a non-event as well, think the ref’s performance in the first half will come back to haunt him in the second when he’ll have to buckle and send somebody off when this tie inevitably boils over. The smart money might be on Fellaini but I can equally see Dawson going as well
Fellaini was booked for the retaliation to Assou-Ekotto’s stud-raking of Cahill’s grid. It wasn’t necessary as Cahill could handle the little nark perfectly well enough.
Rodwell’s first booking was a non-event as well, think the ref’s performance in the first half will come back to haunt him in the second when he’ll have to buckle and send somebody off when this tie inevitably boils over. The smart money might be on Fellaini but I can equally see Dawson going as well
Right touch wood! But that was a very good first half. If we can manage not to have either Fellaini or Rodwell sent off we could actually win this. Game on!
Peter,
Thanks. I didn’t see it as retaliation, myself as I thought I saw him get a push in the face, those minutes later he’s in the box using his arm on Crouch.
Thanks. I didn’t see it as retaliation, myself as I thought I saw him get a push in the face, those minutes later he’s in the box using his arm on Crouch.
Well game over then.
Typical
How many times this season have we conceded because Baines is fucking asleep? Surely he knows Lennon is out there and he is absolutely nowhere near him
We’re being pulled asunder now, Can’t keep possession. Seriously, how did Jo ever make it to the this level of football? Surely the worst Brazilian to ever play the game. We desperately need to Saha or the Yak on upfront to hold the ball up and take the pressure off our defenders. Coleman looks a real find at right full.
I don’t think Jo will ever score again
Its a shame really. We can play better but the lack of a solid defense destroys any hopes of winning... what seems like ever again.
With Jo leading the line that is.
bugger, I was having a shower, what did I miss?
We’re in no false position, that’s for sure. Tim Cahill would do well to start with fact.
Yak and Louie on for Jo and Rodders.
How are we gonna turn this season around? I am really starting to lose hope now.
Subs made when the game is dead and buried
Coleman loves a tackle. He’s playing well
Shocking stuff. Without proper defenders we are going into the bottom 3 for xmas.
I know I’m starting to harp on a bit about him now, but Colemans performance since he has coming on has been superb. The one real bright spark and he’s getting better as the game goes on. Aggressive going forward, strong in the tackle, good passer, pacy, everything you would want in a full back. He’s taking the fight to Spurs and showing the older lads how it should be donw. Well done son, should be first choice right back after this one.
Agreed he is the bright spark. Just shows were the other players heads are at.
Tim’s been a dirty little shit today. That was a synical tackle I don’t expect from Everton... now he’s missing the Chelsea game though we were 2-0 down. Nice one Super Tim.
Our strikers are shit. A butter knife looks sharper than the Yak. Fucking awful
Billy has been utter shite today, along with Cahill, Fellaini, Baines and Neill....Where’s ye’re fucking fight lads?
Coleman is superb.....Come on
SAHA!!!!!
Louie! Brilliant again from Coleman, super cross and great finish from Saha.
Runs into the net to get the ball... lets go lads!!!!
why hasnt coleman been playing, the lad is awesome?!!
Coleman has been excellent. Not put a foot wrong. Best performance from any of our players all season.
Kyle naughton ?
shamus coleman GET IN SON!
shamus coleman GET IN SON!
Can someone tell the Yak he is playing now? lazy shit.
How was that a foul? By the big hair
Coleman must play the next game...what an option he is!
Please let us get another!!!
One criticism of Coleman - he runs funny
Always rated Saha me ;o)
Yes it called running at goal. The Yak is learning it in training.
All credit to Neil Lennon for not taking a dive from Pienaars challenge, would have been a definite peno. What an effort from Saha, the guy is just world class at times. pity we just couldn’t fit him with two new legs!
Tom Winek - yes, but at least he RUNS!
Timmy . .. .Brilliant stuff, and Coleman sets it up again!
Is Coleman the new Cafu?
YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!
Yes, Yes, Fucking YES!!!
Turning point of the season has happened at Hull half time and now we’re seeing the first benefits.
i demand a third goal!!!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
OH No Hibbo!
I HATE FOOTBALL
Shoulder barge still exist ?
What is it about Everton and frowing it all away...
Howard the Hero...Fuck Ya!
Great save, awful penalty though. Still time to lose it... or win it?
Awesome, shame my perfect link decided then to screw up and let me miss it. Nice work Tim Howard.
Yessssssssssssss!
2-2 finish
Bloody miracle to be honest
Nice. Now to CH5 for Kelly’s Heros. Great film.
Hibbert will be the death of me.
Awesome! Well played, I sense a season turn around! Coleman outstanding. Bring on Chelsea.
Fantastic point! Surely the turning point now.
Coleman has definitely shrugged off his nightmarish debut against Benfica. This kid can tackle, can pass and most importantly, has pace (at least when compared to the rest of the team)!
Coleman has definitely shrugged off his nightmarish debut against Benfica. This kid can tackle, can pass and most importantly, has pace (at least when compared to the rest of the team)!
More importantly though, the kid is IRISH! Thankfully John O’Shea can now play alongside Dunne in the centre. All we need now is a left back!
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