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Well, wasn't that fun! I don't think I've enjoyed an Everton game that much for a long, long time. A few of the boys were actually playing football for once, just a pity that it took the prerequisite two goals before that idiot Moyes took off the brainless big galoot (Jô) and put on some proper strikers, even though they were both seriously rusty and a few yards behind the pace.
Excellent stuff from Coleman, and kudos to Dave Wilson, who said we would attack. Unfortunately, we failed to score one more than them. It was far better than many a game this season... but still we start with the tried and trusted, and only have a go when we are two goals behind. Moyes just drives me to despair...
Michael Kenrick, Posted 06/12/2009 at 15:09:22
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Back four against Cheatski?
Coleman, Hibbert, Heitinga, Baines.
Coleman, Hibbert, Heitinga, Baines.
It’s Moyes again. Only a true fool would play Jo as he is out of form out of confidence and an absolute joke of a striker. Why oh why Moyes does not see that and remove him at least at HT?
Why bring on Yakubu who is like sunday league player with a hangover: everything is happening too fast and he just cant get going, Everything he does now is wrong, He should be rested and brought back on March. Moyes should have put Baxter on, yeah he’s young and so and so but he played well on Wednesday and anyway could not be any worse than the Yak.
Coleman was great, better than Hibbo ever at RB. How long does it take for DM to see the same?
Hibbo did ok at CB, mostly. Unfortunately the mistakes are more costly in the middle than they are down the line. He lost us the win even if he played well and occasionally brilliant.
Coleman — wonderful.
Chelski must be shitting themselves ;)
A half-fit Saha is probably worth more than all our current strikers put together. This guy is amazing and truly one of the best ever.
I thought the same, if only we started playing, before we actually go behind. Full credit to the lads out there today, kept going till the end.
I said at half-time we needed a miracle to get a draw and so it happened — especially with the penalty save. The boys at least showed some fight and Coleman is just mustard.
We will probably see all the youngsters against Bate — it would be a great opportunity for Moyes to give them all the experience by having them in the starting eleven as the result is of no consequence and as we have Chelski after that — the seniors will appreciate the time to recuperate.
Fucking loved it, gutts, pasion, drive and some decent footy in the middle, Coleman and Fellaini were top drawer. I hope Moyes keeps Felli deep in the middle, he showed for the ball all day, well done boys.
I think Hibbert is in the mould of DM. He is not reliable enough as CB and crossing is too shit for a full back. But stick him in front of the back four and let him tackle anything that comes his way, plus he has the pace to track back from advanced positions. He is one of the best tacklers I have ever seen!
Which is lucky for Hibbo as it looks as though Coleman has just taken his position! What a game this lad had today.
Saha, what can I say? Every week that goes by he wins over another section of the Everton faithful. Legend in the making for me. Anyone think he could make it to the World Cup at his age? Would love to see him play in the French team.
Which is lucky for Hibbo as it looks as though Coleman has just taken his position! What a game this lad had today.
Saha, what can I say? Every week that goes by he wins over another section of the Everton faithful. Legend in the making for me. Anyone think he could make it to the World Cup at his age? Would love to see him play in the French team.
Fickle, fickle fans.
That big galoot as you put it set up Bily’s winner on Thursday.
Today summed up our problems and our strengths.
Problems - players injured, more players injured, remaining players out of position, unfortunate goals conceded etc
Strengths - fight, spirit and determination.
A couple of weeks ago, I thought getting Arteta fit was vital, now I’d just like a fit centre half!
That big galoot as you put it set up Bily’s winner on Thursday.
Today summed up our problems and our strengths.
Problems - players injured, more players injured, remaining players out of position, unfortunate goals conceded etc
Strengths - fight, spirit and determination.
A couple of weeks ago, I thought getting Arteta fit was vital, now I’d just like a fit centre half!
What a game. At 2-0 down I didn’t for a moment suspect the finale in store!
Saha, pure class. The way he took the goal, making it look easy when it was anything but - pure instinct and technique from King Louis. The attempted bicycle kick, if it had gone in, would have been one of the goals of the season surely, at last a move put together at pace and cutting through the opposition. What a refreshing change from some of the route 1 rubbish we’ve had to endure for the most part. This is the frustrating thing about this team, they have shown flashes of pure class but too often the bulk of the time it has been pure unmitigated shite.
Let's build on this and hope our season has had its turning point. I keep hoping every week and this (penalty save ensconced the feeling) result, though only a home draw feels like it could just be the game where we turned it round.
Chelsea next is as stern a test as they come but you never know. Stranger things have happened.
ps: This Coleman lad looks like Baines Mark II — only he can cross! Crikey, its way too early to make a call yet but he looks a fantastic prospect.
Saha, pure class. The way he took the goal, making it look easy when it was anything but - pure instinct and technique from King Louis. The attempted bicycle kick, if it had gone in, would have been one of the goals of the season surely, at last a move put together at pace and cutting through the opposition. What a refreshing change from some of the route 1 rubbish we’ve had to endure for the most part. This is the frustrating thing about this team, they have shown flashes of pure class but too often the bulk of the time it has been pure unmitigated shite.
Let's build on this and hope our season has had its turning point. I keep hoping every week and this (penalty save ensconced the feeling) result, though only a home draw feels like it could just be the game where we turned it round.
Chelsea next is as stern a test as they come but you never know. Stranger things have happened.
ps: This Coleman lad looks like Baines Mark II — only he can cross! Crikey, its way too early to make a call yet but he looks a fantastic prospect.
It woud be churlish to be negative as this was a great performance against a good Spurs side. I was even going to praise Hibbert for a good display but Defoe lost him for the goal and he gave away a penalty on a guy who was going nowhere. Fellaini also had a pretty good game and what can I say about Saha, what a sublime striker. It was Coleman’s day today though, if he can put in more performances like that he’ll be at United next year :-)
Michael Upton, the problem with Jo, is that he never looks like he is going to score, Saha came on, and all of a sudden, I get a buzz, Jo doesn’t give me that.
Michael Upton: not "fickle" — I’ve always thought Jô was poor...
Now, under Moyes’s expert tutelage, he has been transformed... He’s utterly fucking hopeless! (The odd assist notwithstanding!)
Now, under Moyes’s expert tutelage, he has been transformed... He’s utterly fucking hopeless! (The odd assist notwithstanding!)
Coleman was superb today. He really took the game to Spurs in a way I haven't seen by an Everton RB in a long time.
I have to question our fitness tests though, it was Distin in the week who clearly looked hamstrung on a wet pitch but Yobo looked unfit from the 2nd minute.
Anyway, thank god for Howard.
I have to question our fitness tests though, it was Distin in the week who clearly looked hamstrung on a wet pitch but Yobo looked unfit from the 2nd minute.
Anyway, thank god for Howard.
Full marks for effort and not a little good football. Bily looked off colour apart from a few nice touches and I reckon he’s still not up tom PL pace. Coleman was magnificent and what can I add about Saha that has’nt already been posted. Penalty save was’nt bad either.
OK, I take the point on Jo, he’s no class striker. I’m just a bit sick of the same players being criticised over and over again.
Jo is playing because Saha may not be fully fit and Yakubu clearly isn’t.
Jo is playing because Saha may not be fully fit and Yakubu clearly isn’t.
Well I have to say that was one hell of a game !!!
I thought Coleman was fantastic, and showed glimpses of that last Thursday, so really well done to him, he looks very promising indeed.
I also thought Fellaini was excellent again today....I’ve been very much a supporter of Fellaini, and I think he’s looked very good in the last couple of weeks, and playing the deeper role really allows him to show his ability.
I thought Jo did okay today to be fair, but Saha just shows what a difference in class there is between them.....absolute talent this guy, what a player !!
Also thought Hibbert was excellent again today, despite the penalty foul.....so reliable, just a very good defender and is filling in very well.
Now all we need is some players to get fit and things could start to look rosey again !!
I thought Coleman was fantastic, and showed glimpses of that last Thursday, so really well done to him, he looks very promising indeed.
I also thought Fellaini was excellent again today....I’ve been very much a supporter of Fellaini, and I think he’s looked very good in the last couple of weeks, and playing the deeper role really allows him to show his ability.
I thought Jo did okay today to be fair, but Saha just shows what a difference in class there is between them.....absolute talent this guy, what a player !!
Also thought Hibbert was excellent again today, despite the penalty foul.....so reliable, just a very good defender and is filling in very well.
Now all we need is some players to get fit and things could start to look rosey again !!
Just back from the game and what a nice surprise to get a point from a well organized Spurs team. I really didn’t think we had it in us until Jô went off.
I have defended Jô on a couple of occasions and his assist in Greece for Bily's goal was great, but overall and specifically today he was poor.
Well done to the lad Coleman though and a true worthy MOTM.
I have defended Jô on a couple of occasions and his assist in Greece for Bily's goal was great, but overall and specifically today he was poor.
Well done to the lad Coleman though and a true worthy MOTM.
How long does Yakubu get a free pass because he is not fully fit. He was in the squad for pre-season training in the America; That was back in August.
Michael Upton: I don't how I explain this... the same players get criticised over and over again because the frequently fail to perform and are just downright poor.
I can’t understand why people moan about this. I don’t know what Everton tradition you were brought up under but we would always call players who were not performing, and we would always praise players who did play well.
(We would even applaud opposition goals that were well executed but I’m sure you don’t hear much of that these days, do you?)
I can’t understand why people moan about this. I don’t know what Everton tradition you were brought up under but we would always call players who were not performing, and we would always praise players who did play well.
(We would even applaud opposition goals that were well executed but I’m sure you don’t hear much of that these days, do you?)
Wonderfully inspired substitutions from Moyes, just at the right stage of the game... timed to perfection. (I actually thought Jo had a good first half). I’m so glad he never chanced his arm and Saha/Yak’s fitness by playing them from the start... could have had no impact subs to make.
Fantastic man management getting Hibbert playing out of his skin at centre back (Barring his clumsy challenge for the penalty...
and how brilliant was Coleman (Another Moyes gem in the making)
Is it any wonder Moyes’s contemporaries have voted him manager of the year 3 times... that is three times?
Only Moyes could put out a rag tag team riven with injuries and get them to compete against a Spurs team in sparkling form and studded with top class players...
(Well.. you started it Kenrick... )
Fantastic man management getting Hibbert playing out of his skin at centre back (Barring his clumsy challenge for the penalty...
and how brilliant was Coleman (Another Moyes gem in the making)
Is it any wonder Moyes’s contemporaries have voted him manager of the year 3 times... that is three times?
Only Moyes could put out a rag tag team riven with injuries and get them to compete against a Spurs team in sparkling form and studded with top class players...
(Well.. you started it Kenrick... )
Really proud comeback — when your luck is down, it's down... two-nil down and then two-all — and still we have to rely on a an injury-time penalty save FOR ONE POINT.
I'm just fuckin sick how the media reveal our injury list as just four or five. Today we had missing:- Heitinga, Jagielka, Arteta, Vaughan, Distin, Neville, Gosling, Osman and Anichebe — with Pienaar Yakubu Rodwell and Saha not fully fit. And then Yobo is taken off injured after 20 mins and now Cahill is suspended for Chelsea. But what will the headlines be?? Liverpool not fireing on all cylinders without Gerrard and Torres?? Fuck them all.
Today was a really proud performance and a possible turning point in the season — if only Saha's overhead went in... Spurs are ok but no way better than us when we have our squad fully fit and possible new signings in January.
Shay Coleman — OUTSTANDING today; 17 years old, I'm told. A lot of positives today — one downside: I wasn't really impressed with Lucas Neill, I've seen him play well in the past but not one promising game for us yet — and at fault for Dawson’s (who should of been off) goal.
But I'm feeling rather positive now; I really think we can leave The Bridge next Saturday with a point like last season. COYB
"Shay Coleman — OUTSTANDING today; 17 years old, I’m told"
Whoever told you that is talking bollocks. He’s 21.
Whoever told you that is talking bollocks. He’s 21.
Hibbert should not start at CB if we have anybody fit. He was at fault for the 1st goal as once again lost his man unless he is coming straight at him he hasnt got a clue. He’s not good enough, looking ok against a poor Greek team is one thing playing against a decent Spurs side is another.
Yes Kevin, great substitutions, shame he waited until we went 2 nil down before he made them!
Also Kevin, I meant bringing on 2 strikers after going 2 down. Also, Coleman was awesome, but it was not an inspired change by Moyes, it was forced on him by Yobo’s injury.
The first 15 minutes were utterly appalling I actually feared we were going to get a hammering of historic proportions.But, the Everton spirit came back.I still believe that there was a certain amount of tactical negativity but David Moyes proved he is the man for a relegation battle.Recently I questioned his ability as a motivator.I was wrong, today the spirit was magnificent.
Just maybe, today will provide the belief that has been missing.I spoke to a couple of gutted Spurs fans after the game and I understand their frustration,but my God did we not deserve a break? Well done.
Just maybe, today will provide the belief that has been missing.I spoke to a couple of gutted Spurs fans after the game and I understand their frustration,but my God did we not deserve a break? Well done.
By the way,Michael,give Jo a break.He is a little bit of confidence away from being a decent striker.I feel you might be eating humble pie over your comments.
Let’s get it right - I was delighted we got the draw - but we were very lucky and it shouldn’t mask our massive weaknesses. Hibbert was shocking. He got some praise by the commentators for his usual out of position, scramble last ditch tackles, but then his postioning was shocking, as usual! The penalty was classic Hibbert. Having heart isn’t good enough - not according to our motto anyway!
Jo just won’t cut it - he actually makes me wish for Anichebe back! What has happened to Yakubu - his classic second season get fat and waste everyones time seems to be happenning - regardless of the injury - it has occurred at every club he has been at! I just wish we had Saha for full games - he seems to be a one-man season saver! I see Moyes would take Forlan on loan - I doubt Forlan dreams of playing for Moyes!
Everything crossed for Chelsea, but unless Yobo, Distin and Jags are resurrected I reckon we will get a pasting...Drogba marked by Hibbert...that will give me nightmares all week!
Jo just won’t cut it - he actually makes me wish for Anichebe back! What has happened to Yakubu - his classic second season get fat and waste everyones time seems to be happenning - regardless of the injury - it has occurred at every club he has been at! I just wish we had Saha for full games - he seems to be a one-man season saver! I see Moyes would take Forlan on loan - I doubt Forlan dreams of playing for Moyes!
Everything crossed for Chelsea, but unless Yobo, Distin and Jags are resurrected I reckon we will get a pasting...Drogba marked by Hibbert...that will give me nightmares all week!
I really don’t think today is a great time for playing the blame game. Looks like Cahills goal is keeping the Cahill and Fellaini can’t play on the same team guys off the message board for the moment. Hibbert lost his man for the first goal and gave up the penalty, but cmon , there was some goal saving tackles in his performance as well. The players certainly demonstrated fight today so apparently Moyes hasn’t lost the team quite yet.As to the tactics he must have felt he could not get 90 minutes out of Saha and Yakuby, so he went with Jo with Cahill supporting and tracking back. In the end we got a hard fought point, which as an Evertonian , I think we thoroughly deserved. Credit to Coleman for his performance; he was going forward like John Gidman of old.
Seamus Coleman — Outstanding, all the more impressive after a difficult start to his first team career against Benfica and coming into a team that is struggling, definite MOTM
Lucas Neill — terrible effort at marking Dawson for the second goal, seemed like he couldn’t be bothered
Fellaini — really beginning to look like a decent defensive midfielder, always wants the ball, aerial ability very handy at both ends
Billy — nice touches but badly lacks pace for a wideman, decent addition all the same.
Lucas Neill — terrible effort at marking Dawson for the second goal, seemed like he couldn’t be bothered
Fellaini — really beginning to look like a decent defensive midfielder, always wants the ball, aerial ability very handy at both ends
Billy — nice touches but badly lacks pace for a wideman, decent addition all the same.
Apologies for the incorrect information, Dick — I hold my head in shame!
How can you say Hibbert was shit today? He was playing against a bloke who’s about 7 foot tall and also against the most in-form striker in England at the moment. Give the lad a bit of credit.
The Galoot at the top of this seems to be Jo.
What could turn out to be money laundering on behalf of the former Prime Minister of Thailand - it is rumoured - may have taken him to ManC. We will never, ever pay them anything like the rumoured fee. I still think he will become a decent player with us, a bit like Jimmy Husband.
Coleman’s day without a doubt. Kept his own watch very well, and set up one goal (thank you King Louis) but probed away to make the second possible.
I hope he enjoys tonight — but not too much, if you know what I mean.
What could turn out to be money laundering on behalf of the former Prime Minister of Thailand - it is rumoured - may have taken him to ManC. We will never, ever pay them anything like the rumoured fee. I still think he will become a decent player with us, a bit like Jimmy Husband.
Coleman’s day without a doubt. Kept his own watch very well, and set up one goal (thank you King Louis) but probed away to make the second possible.
I hope he enjoys tonight — but not too much, if you know what I mean.
FFS Alex give the lad (Hibbo) a break, I suppose Ossie was to blame for the goals as well? Hibbo was outstanding in the 1st half and doesn’t get the credit he deserves, and all those screaming that Coleman is a better player than Hibbo clearly weren’t watching the game in Benfica. Well done to Coleman today he was excellent, but it just shows the knee-jerk reaction on this site. He’ll get the bullet soon enough from some.
Proud of the fightback. Coleman was superb.
Surely Moyes will now realise that playing Jo up front on his own is a disaster.
Surely Moyes will now realise that playing Jo up front on his own is a disaster.
Exhilirating stuff today, and hopefully with the last few performances we have turned some sort of corner. The spirit was certainly there again.
Coleman, Hibbert and Felli take the most plaudits for me. Criticism of Hibbert on this occasion is ridiculous - he was playing out of position and saved us on numerous occasions. He did a lot better than Neill.
And Felli shows for everything and almost always completes a positive pass to a fellow Blue shirt. Now he’s got smarter players around him like Pienaar and Bily he is showing his class. Also of course Moyes is at last playing him in his proper position (and Cahill in his) - yep, I can’t really figure that one either Davey.
Personally I wouldn’t be so hard on Jo, who I thought had a decent first half. Moyes is certainly injecting some greater urgency into his play. In any case, Saha and Yakubu simply weren’t options from the start, so he was the only fit striker we had.
Today certainly doesn’t say much for Spurs. Imagine the comments on here if a reasonably full strength Everton had not been able to beat a Spurs team with Bale and Hutton playing centre halves, a rookie at right back, and two unfit strikers upfront. Or perhaps it says that there should be some credit where credit is due and we did rather well today in very adverse circumstances.
Coleman, Hibbert and Felli take the most plaudits for me. Criticism of Hibbert on this occasion is ridiculous - he was playing out of position and saved us on numerous occasions. He did a lot better than Neill.
And Felli shows for everything and almost always completes a positive pass to a fellow Blue shirt. Now he’s got smarter players around him like Pienaar and Bily he is showing his class. Also of course Moyes is at last playing him in his proper position (and Cahill in his) - yep, I can’t really figure that one either Davey.
Personally I wouldn’t be so hard on Jo, who I thought had a decent first half. Moyes is certainly injecting some greater urgency into his play. In any case, Saha and Yakubu simply weren’t options from the start, so he was the only fit striker we had.
Today certainly doesn’t say much for Spurs. Imagine the comments on here if a reasonably full strength Everton had not been able to beat a Spurs team with Bale and Hutton playing centre halves, a rookie at right back, and two unfit strikers upfront. Or perhaps it says that there should be some credit where credit is due and we did rather well today in very adverse circumstances.
Spot on Mac. The tackle on Defoe from Hibbert was superb. If it had been from Carragher or Terry, they would be showing it every week.
Coleman was great on Wednesday too,
Coleman is a better right back than Hibbert,
Hibbert is a better centre half than Yobo.
Coleman is a better right back than Hibbert,
Hibbert is a better centre half than Yobo.
Hibbert played well out of position against a seven-foot beanpole. Hope to see more of Coleman but something tells me we won't, with Moyes likelly to revert to type.
A much improved performance with passion and fight, I have praise for all the players today. Cahill ran his socks off and deserved his goal. COYB
A much improved performance with passion and fight, I have praise for all the players today. Cahill ran his socks off and deserved his goal. COYB
Could only listen to the match today, but reading these comments it seems same old shite, Jo shit, Hibbert shit etc etc... hang on a minute, we were 2-0 down against a decent side who are in great form and possess a fantastic attack, with 1 defender in their usual position and following a fucking poor run, I'm sure most of you would have took a draw today esp atfer going 2-0 down. Still in Europe and plenty of decent players to come back and maybe a cracking little R/B in the making. A decent day at the office.
It’s impossible to feel anything other than good after a game like that. That game had just about it all. And at the end of it all, after all the changing emotions and dynamics, it ends up even and with just about everybody thinking: If only........
From players who were a frustating disappointemt such as Jo, to the surprisingly brilliant display of Coleman; the sometimes daibolical defending of Neill & Co to the sublime finishing of Saha and from the sickening annoyance (anger even) at 0-2 to the amazing euphoria when Cahill did his best Andy Gray impersonation, it was great stuff. If only Saha’s brilliant overhead kick had gone in, we could be talking about one of Goodison’s greatest ever games.
And wasn’t the old stadium a cauldron today! At times the atmosphere was just incredible — a tribute to all who were there. The scuffles and barney’s in the first half were great, although the BIg Fella lost it and was lucky the ref didn’t see his ’incident’ with Crouch!
You have to think that, despite our current dodgy position in the league, we’ll be OK when we have some of our missing players back, and who knows what we can do in the league, or more likely in the cups if we have a bit of luck (and we’re due some) injuries wise and get a stronger team playing for more games in succession.
I could go on for ages about incidents in today’s game, but ’ll get off and read what the rest of you are saying.
I don’t think we’ll be last on on MOTD2 tonight, though!
From players who were a frustating disappointemt such as Jo, to the surprisingly brilliant display of Coleman; the sometimes daibolical defending of Neill & Co to the sublime finishing of Saha and from the sickening annoyance (anger even) at 0-2 to the amazing euphoria when Cahill did his best Andy Gray impersonation, it was great stuff. If only Saha’s brilliant overhead kick had gone in, we could be talking about one of Goodison’s greatest ever games.
And wasn’t the old stadium a cauldron today! At times the atmosphere was just incredible — a tribute to all who were there. The scuffles and barney’s in the first half were great, although the BIg Fella lost it and was lucky the ref didn’t see his ’incident’ with Crouch!
You have to think that, despite our current dodgy position in the league, we’ll be OK when we have some of our missing players back, and who knows what we can do in the league, or more likely in the cups if we have a bit of luck (and we’re due some) injuries wise and get a stronger team playing for more games in succession.
I could go on for ages about incidents in today’s game, but ’ll get off and read what the rest of you are saying.
I don’t think we’ll be last on on MOTD2 tonight, though!
Just shut up James. It was one game where Coleman played well and where Yobo was injured after about 30 seconds. Watch football and don’t make suggestions on 90 minutes like most knee jerk reactionists do!
Hibbert was at fault for the 1st goal and gave away a pen in the last minute. If people are happy to accept this that's fine but we’ll never move on with players like him in the team. I don't deny he gives his all and has played some very good matches for us. But I want better.
I’m fed up with Everton fans accepting things. Accept average and you get average. We were rubbish for 80 minutes today by the standards we once had at the club but years of mismanagement means some fans will settle for mediocrity.
Was it Chris Woods earning his corn today and telling King Louis to take a word in Tim's ear that the pen was just going to get twatted?
John, you have to be joking. First of all, it was Neill who lost his man on both goals, not Hibbert. And second, just average is terrific when your top three choices for CB are unavailable. Bravo Hibbo for stepping up out of position against top-class competition.
Alex, you asked what has happened to Yakubu. Are you awake in there? What happened was a ruptured Achilles. It’s an injury that keeps you out for a year and won’t let you train enough to get really game fit for another year. That’s why no top-class athlete has ever come all the way back from this injury. He’s doing great. If you’re expecting more than this from him before next season, you’re dreaming.
Alex, you asked what has happened to Yakubu. Are you awake in there? What happened was a ruptured Achilles. It’s an injury that keeps you out for a year and won’t let you train enough to get really game fit for another year. That’s why no top-class athlete has ever come all the way back from this injury. He’s doing great. If you’re expecting more than this from him before next season, you’re dreaming.
I notice nobody has mentioned Pienaar, but I think his return has made a HUGE difference. He’s the one guy who can always hold the ball and always makes a good pass, and they’ve missed him a lot.
I also notice nobody has been ripping Baines, but he was the worst of the worst today. He failed to clear on the first goal, gave away the ball for the corner that set up the second goal, and was absolutely miserable on free kicks. Even the tying goal was a horrendous mis-hit that happened to bounce right at Cahill. You want to slag somebody, slag Baines. He needed to step up during this time of injuries, and he hasn’t.
Finally, here’s to Fellaini for finally developing some maturity. His decision-making today was immaculate, and his touch was pretty damn good too. That turn over the ball to draw the foul at the end was sweet.
I’ve no problem with 4-5-1 when Saha is playing with Cahill. Jo is just fucking useless. When you think of all the great strikers who’ve played for us and you see that no-touch powder puff fairy making no impact on the game, I just despair.
Another thing, why was Moyes willing to waste £6million on that Sheffield Utd full back this summer when he had Coleman sitting in his reserves? That would have been a travesty. Thank you ’Arry.
Another thing, why was Moyes willing to waste £6million on that Sheffield Utd full back this summer when he had Coleman sitting in his reserves? That would have been a travesty. Thank you ’Arry.
Goodison was back to being a bear-pit late on today and I swear some of the Spurs faces were as white as their shirts!
We are generally nice, well-mannered game-watching fans until someone upsets us — then, as today, Goodison snarls and roars — great stuff.
We are generally nice, well-mannered game-watching fans until someone upsets us — then, as today, Goodison snarls and roars — great stuff.
Tony, no i won’t shut up. Coleman played brilliant on Wednesday too. My opinion of Yobo is based on his performances all season and is not a knee jerk reaction at all. He’s no longer good enough in my opinion.
Tony, James is right yobo,s day has gone Hibbert is better at CB than him.
Coleman is the best right back at the club and if you don't think this tell me the last time you seen a display from a right back like that? Coleman today, for me, got the crowd going when we were quiet.
With his all action style and running, at times he took the fight to them on his own he was definitely the spark for our fightback. If he follows that performance up with the same against Cheski people will be raving about him, he was awsome for the second time in a week. Fellaini was outstanding as was Cahill, Pienaar, the King and Hibbo... yes that's right Hibbo.I slag Hibbo and Osman off most of the time, but credit were credit is due and today he played well out of position.
Bily was poor today but we know how good he is; Rodders needs a rest and I think some of the media attention for this young man has affected his game, in as much as he now has a reputation so rather than try and express himself he doesn't want to give the ball away more so. He then takes an easier option of passing the ball and at times back to goal or sideways, were before he was running at teams and shooting more. Moyes needs to tell him to forget all the attention and play his natural game.
By the way, I'm not having a go at him because I think he can be a great, just think he may need a rest. Anyway what a game and at last the fight seems to have returned, and were talking about football instead of the Board/Kirkby etc.
COYB.
What’s all that about Tony? Shut up? If you can’t handle different opinions on our club then GTF. Shockin man.
For what it’s worth I thought Coleman was fantastic against a team who are scoring for fun. Hopefully a turning point.
For what it’s worth I thought Coleman was fantastic against a team who are scoring for fun. Hopefully a turning point.
Seriously gents we are sounding more and more like whinging kopites..
We came back from 2 - 0 down to a team who would have gone third
We had one player (two with Coleman) playing in their preferred positions against 2 england Strikers and an England winger
Yet still we moan..
Yes Coleman wouldnt have come on had yobo been fit, and we would not have gone 442 had saha came on just before the first goal...
Ifs and buts ifs and buts
FFS there is no pleasing some people
We came back from 2 - 0 down to a team who would have gone third
We had one player (two with Coleman) playing in their preferred positions against 2 england Strikers and an England winger
Yet still we moan..
Yes Coleman wouldnt have come on had yobo been fit, and we would not have gone 442 had saha came on just before the first goal...
Ifs and buts ifs and buts
FFS there is no pleasing some people
Martin,
The ref failed to see a lot of things today particularly where Fellaini was concerned. Rednap had clearly given his team the instruction to go out and do what ever they had to have the guy sent off. He was barged, elbowed and buffeted from the off and was entitled to expect better protection from the officials.
Dawson should have received his marching orders, already on a booking, he gave Fellaini a straight elbow into the back of the head. You mention Fellaini’s elbow on Crouch but one has to remember he was merely retaliating, having been blatantly elbowed on the side of the head by Crouch. Incidentally, the ref did in fact have words with Fellaini although he totally ignored Crouch’s initial blow. I’m concerned Fellaini is now being singled out by Refs as was the case with Duncan Ferguson. Today he received a totally ludicrous booking. He’s often more sinned against than sinned.
Once again our Achilles heal would appear to be the central defensive partnership. Yet again little understanding between the central pairing. Hard to criticise Hibbert though as its not his natural position. Though he may have trouble reclaiming his RB slot following what was a hugely impressive performance from Coleman.
I haven’t seen an attacking performance from a RB to match that for a hell of a long time, the composure and the quality of the passes was hugely refreshing. Really pleased for the lad, there were some who slated his performance against Benfica were he was played out of position at LB. It can be a totally different ball game when a RB or LB is forced to play on the other side of the park, to be honest I’m amazed that so many failed to understand this but were quick to criticise the lad, in fact some went as far as to mock his inclusion in Athens. Well he will have silenced a few of them today. However, I’m not about to judge him on the back of one very good performance but given the criticism he took his performance today does at least speak volumes for the spirit of the lad.
The ref failed to see a lot of things today particularly where Fellaini was concerned. Rednap had clearly given his team the instruction to go out and do what ever they had to have the guy sent off. He was barged, elbowed and buffeted from the off and was entitled to expect better protection from the officials.
Dawson should have received his marching orders, already on a booking, he gave Fellaini a straight elbow into the back of the head. You mention Fellaini’s elbow on Crouch but one has to remember he was merely retaliating, having been blatantly elbowed on the side of the head by Crouch. Incidentally, the ref did in fact have words with Fellaini although he totally ignored Crouch’s initial blow. I’m concerned Fellaini is now being singled out by Refs as was the case with Duncan Ferguson. Today he received a totally ludicrous booking. He’s often more sinned against than sinned.
Once again our Achilles heal would appear to be the central defensive partnership. Yet again little understanding between the central pairing. Hard to criticise Hibbert though as its not his natural position. Though he may have trouble reclaiming his RB slot following what was a hugely impressive performance from Coleman.
I haven’t seen an attacking performance from a RB to match that for a hell of a long time, the composure and the quality of the passes was hugely refreshing. Really pleased for the lad, there were some who slated his performance against Benfica were he was played out of position at LB. It can be a totally different ball game when a RB or LB is forced to play on the other side of the park, to be honest I’m amazed that so many failed to understand this but were quick to criticise the lad, in fact some went as far as to mock his inclusion in Athens. Well he will have silenced a few of them today. However, I’m not about to judge him on the back of one very good performance but given the criticism he took his performance today does at least speak volumes for the spirit of the lad.
Saha before the second goal I meant
I had to say that before some whinger comments about my post
I had to say that before some whinger comments about my post
Don’t think Jo deserves the stick he’s getting, the ball was getting lumped up to him far too much and he was totally isolated. The tactics from Moyes were fuckin’ awful as usual, he had Fellaini and Rodwell both sitting too deep and neither of them was hardly getting over the halfway line, consequently every time we got in Spurs' half we were short on options and couldn’t create a chance.
I thought it was fuckin’ awful, sick of us going behind before we start to have a go and Billy was shite, he ambled over towards Lennon and allowed him to cross for their first goal and was anonymous all game. Despite his goal in midweek, I can’t see what Moyes saw in him. He never gets the ball and tries to go past a man and doesn’t take up good positions to receive either... passenger.
Don’t know what's going on with Cahill, he used to get up and support the lone forward; now he does fuck all apart from give the ball away and give away stupid free-kicks. Yes, he scored... but he’s done nothing for weeks.
And his pal Neill is a fuckin’ liability, just going through the motions. When we’ve got an unknown rooky full-back looking like our best attacking option, something has got to be wrong.
Three points from the bottom three and Chelsea up next, we can’t afford to keep dropping points at home or we’re going to get sucked in.
Bottom line is we should’ve had the two strikers on at half-time and went for it but Moyes is too negative and has to wait till we go behind again... shite!
Lets also remember Coleman made his debut against Benfica at left back... so we couldn't judge him on that performance really.
Gerry Weston - The ref did fail to see alot you are correct... That worked both ways though mate.
Gerry Weston - The ref did fail to see alot you are correct... That worked both ways though mate.
I thought that the only difference between the two sides is confidence, & Defoe and Lennon, IMHO the rest of the Spurs side don’t pull up any trees. Well done Coleman on your debut you looked the part, but you were aided and abbetted by Gareth Bale; no wonder ’Arry doesn’t want to play him at left back, neither does he talk about MIA. And Ray Kelly you’ve got to fault Baines with the first goal cos the ball travelled 20-30 yards to Lennon and he didn’t get near him
Boys whats' everyone arguing for? That was a step in the right direction. Spurs and old rubber face came here today expecting 3 points and let's face it i thought they'd get them, didn't you? We have inside a week been robbed by the shite, qualified in Europe, and frightened the enigma and everyone's favourite to make the Sky Four, Spurs.
Apart from the mugging we got last week, it's been a good week. The spirit is back, a new player seems to have emerged, and Goodison was raising the roof again. Be honest, at two-nil down, there looked like know way back, but the boys done us proud. That was the turning point for us, no doubt about that.
Trevor,
I did say he was more sinned against than sinned, however, I wasn’t proclaiming him to be some kind of saint in proceedings and to be honest I wouldn’t want him to be either as it would detract from his game.He’s fast becoming the sort of player for Everton that opposition teams don’t particularly enjoy playing against and every club needs someone like that in their ranks.
I did say he was more sinned against than sinned, however, I wasn’t proclaiming him to be some kind of saint in proceedings and to be honest I wouldn’t want him to be either as it would detract from his game.He’s fast becoming the sort of player for Everton that opposition teams don’t particularly enjoy playing against and every club needs someone like that in their ranks.
About time we got some luck against Spurs (or any team for that matter). Could easily have been very different but thankfully it’s not! Hibbo (pen aside) and Coleman played well. First half was frustrating, we can pass the ball well enough at times but were absolutely toothless up front.
Moyes needs to give Felli a good talking to and tell him to calm down, if he spent less time bickering and sulking with the referee, he’d realise his full potential.
Moyes needs to give Felli a good talking to and tell him to calm down, if he spent less time bickering and sulking with the referee, he’d realise his full potential.
Coleman def MOTM. Loved the passion today. Cahill looking more like his old self.
I think another difference between the two sides is the depth of their squad. That said, Bale is part of their "depth," so...
So from that performance...
Positives:
1. Coleman, who seems really passionate and brought the game to Spurs. Going at teams like Spurs and Chelsea can really rattle them. But someone like Coleman needs the support of top quality players and we simply haven’t got enough players playing their best stuff.
2. I think when Fellaini plays deep, he and Cahill can play effectively on the same team. Cahill cannot be expected to play as anything but support for a forward. He is not a strong midfielder. And I also don’t think he should be the captain. But thrilled he scored today. He does try and shows real passion.
3. The crowd were amazing after the first goal. It appears everybody but folks on this site think that the atmosphere at Goodison can be electric. I don’t think you can understate the effect the crowd had after our first goal at rattling Spurs. If we stopped leaking so many goals, gp could be a daunting place to play.
4. Saha is one of the finest forwards in the premier league. Total quality. Wish he was fully fit.
Negatives:
1. We don’t have a quality central defense. And won’t have for the rest of the season. In fact our entire back four seems unsettled. I really like Baines, but, like Cahill, I don’t think he is having a great season.
2. I’m not sure if Neill is much good to us either as a left-back or in central defense. When would you chose to play this guy?
3. Bily didn’t show up. I think his attitude needs to improve. Seemed petulant rather than passionate. Really want him to succeed but he was a liability today.
4. Yakubu looks overweight, out-of-shape, and not particularly pushed. I’ve asked this before: Could we sell him? Or would that be unwise?
Ultimately, I don’t see that game as any kind of turning point. Real heroics, but that squad is not a great working unit at the moment. Have no confidence that we won’t get rolled over by Chelsea. A larger question: what team can we beat at the moment? I worry that the key game of the season was losing so badly to Hull. It showed we could be beaten by anyone. And that there are no guaranteed wins for us in this league.
So from that performance...
Positives:
1. Coleman, who seems really passionate and brought the game to Spurs. Going at teams like Spurs and Chelsea can really rattle them. But someone like Coleman needs the support of top quality players and we simply haven’t got enough players playing their best stuff.
2. I think when Fellaini plays deep, he and Cahill can play effectively on the same team. Cahill cannot be expected to play as anything but support for a forward. He is not a strong midfielder. And I also don’t think he should be the captain. But thrilled he scored today. He does try and shows real passion.
3. The crowd were amazing after the first goal. It appears everybody but folks on this site think that the atmosphere at Goodison can be electric. I don’t think you can understate the effect the crowd had after our first goal at rattling Spurs. If we stopped leaking so many goals, gp could be a daunting place to play.
4. Saha is one of the finest forwards in the premier league. Total quality. Wish he was fully fit.
Negatives:
1. We don’t have a quality central defense. And won’t have for the rest of the season. In fact our entire back four seems unsettled. I really like Baines, but, like Cahill, I don’t think he is having a great season.
2. I’m not sure if Neill is much good to us either as a left-back or in central defense. When would you chose to play this guy?
3. Bily didn’t show up. I think his attitude needs to improve. Seemed petulant rather than passionate. Really want him to succeed but he was a liability today.
4. Yakubu looks overweight, out-of-shape, and not particularly pushed. I’ve asked this before: Could we sell him? Or would that be unwise?
Ultimately, I don’t see that game as any kind of turning point. Real heroics, but that squad is not a great working unit at the moment. Have no confidence that we won’t get rolled over by Chelsea. A larger question: what team can we beat at the moment? I worry that the key game of the season was losing so badly to Hull. It showed we could be beaten by anyone. And that there are no guaranteed wins for us in this league.
Colin Wainwright isn’t mine a differing opinion? GTF yourself!
Jo has his mojo rising, he is looking and playing better.
Somebody said we should never play Jo upfront on his own ever again, wrong end of the stick. Never ONE up front ever again, Jo ran the channels and chased, he is now heading commensurate with his height and with a bit more luck will be getting on the end of the chances, half chances he gets.
Coleman...MUSTARD! ( sorry couldn’t resist it ) had a rough game Vs Benfica at LB, but at right back, look at him go, a 2nd Gary Stevens.
Rodwell? Der Kaiser or the emperors new clothes, does everything to a reasonable standard, but seems to have no truly outstanding point of difference, no added value. If he was 28 instead of a teenager, you might be tempted to call him an honest Pro.
Heitinga brings more to the ’hole’ position and no no no NOT the 2 of them, ever.
Maybe, as some say, he has too much football too soon, no sorry, you can’t have too much football, you learn by doing, you see what works and what doesn’t.
It might be that he is a player in search of a position and a team to play it in. ALL young players have potential, we can afford to wait, but for how long? How long before it becomes obvious that he indeed has no clothes.
Re potential, hand on heart, has he shown ANY glimpses that he can take a game by the scruff of the neck, however fleetingly???
Now Coleman...
Somebody said we should never play Jo upfront on his own ever again, wrong end of the stick. Never ONE up front ever again, Jo ran the channels and chased, he is now heading commensurate with his height and with a bit more luck will be getting on the end of the chances, half chances he gets.
Coleman...MUSTARD! ( sorry couldn’t resist it ) had a rough game Vs Benfica at LB, but at right back, look at him go, a 2nd Gary Stevens.
Rodwell? Der Kaiser or the emperors new clothes, does everything to a reasonable standard, but seems to have no truly outstanding point of difference, no added value. If he was 28 instead of a teenager, you might be tempted to call him an honest Pro.
Heitinga brings more to the ’hole’ position and no no no NOT the 2 of them, ever.
Maybe, as some say, he has too much football too soon, no sorry, you can’t have too much football, you learn by doing, you see what works and what doesn’t.
It might be that he is a player in search of a position and a team to play it in. ALL young players have potential, we can afford to wait, but for how long? How long before it becomes obvious that he indeed has no clothes.
Re potential, hand on heart, has he shown ANY glimpses that he can take a game by the scruff of the neck, however fleetingly???
Now Coleman...
Dermot, I see no wisdom in selling Yak now. Saha’s not fully fit, and it showed again today that the two of them can play together and have an impact. Yak can hold the ball and turn, and provide Saha with some space, even if he doesn’t have the explosiveness to score the way he used to.
If by the end of this season Yak is able to come all the way back, what a pairing they could be. And if not, time enough to sell him then.
If by the end of this season Yak is able to come all the way back, what a pairing they could be. And if not, time enough to sell him then.
Gerry Western
I agree with you entirely. Fellaini’s reputation already proceeds him. But it’s a problem and it may take some time for him to him to change the perception that he has a short fuse and can be ‘manipulated’ during games. Especially games like today’s when things got a bit out of order at times. Yes, he was blatantly elbowed by Dawson which the latter should have walked for. But his clash with Crouch still could have seen him walk too!
Nevertheless I like him. You can’t keep his crazy barnet off the screen. He’s always involved. And as some posters on here have noted, the slightly deeper position he’s played in of late seems to suit him better, and by and large, he’s getting booked less and looking a better, more controlled player.
But he does need to take note of his growing reputation. More than anything else this can have an effect on match officials, however good they are. Remember a guy with a bald head and bulging eyes who was about to be lauded as the greatest referee of all time until he had an absolute howler in his last ever match! It was another guy’s reputation he fell for and which ended up being the ruination of his own (with Evertonians, at least).
I agree with you entirely. Fellaini’s reputation already proceeds him. But it’s a problem and it may take some time for him to him to change the perception that he has a short fuse and can be ‘manipulated’ during games. Especially games like today’s when things got a bit out of order at times. Yes, he was blatantly elbowed by Dawson which the latter should have walked for. But his clash with Crouch still could have seen him walk too!
Nevertheless I like him. You can’t keep his crazy barnet off the screen. He’s always involved. And as some posters on here have noted, the slightly deeper position he’s played in of late seems to suit him better, and by and large, he’s getting booked less and looking a better, more controlled player.
But he does need to take note of his growing reputation. More than anything else this can have an effect on match officials, however good they are. Remember a guy with a bald head and bulging eyes who was about to be lauded as the greatest referee of all time until he had an absolute howler in his last ever match! It was another guy’s reputation he fell for and which ended up being the ruination of his own (with Evertonians, at least).
Mr John Martin, Your comments are ridiculous, I take it that everything that Hibbert does is wrong, never the fact that against he was up against two of Engerlands best in a position he is not used to, trying as he appears to always to do so, as SUPPORTERS of the club and players I would have hoped that we would SUPPORT the efforts the guys make.
Very poor form, I hope that on reflection you are able to think things through and take a balance view of the future.
BTW — I think the club are trying to do their best based on limited resources (especially compared to others) and those that spout the "Nil satis" stuff would do well to reflect on exactly which period of time they refer to as the best because, apart from a short three year period lost back in the 80s (which I enjoyed), when were we any good?.
Very poor form, I hope that on reflection you are able to think things through and take a balance view of the future.
BTW — I think the club are trying to do their best based on limited resources (especially compared to others) and those that spout the "Nil satis" stuff would do well to reflect on exactly which period of time they refer to as the best because, apart from a short three year period lost back in the 80s (which I enjoyed), when were we any good?.
Martin,
You're right of course he could easily have walked for retaliating which I believe was Crouch’s intention. Due to his physical stature there is no real hiding place for Fellaini and just about everything he does seldom escapes attention. He did try to keep a lid on it second half but in doing so it does tend to detract from his game. Unfortunately as you rightly point out any such transgressions could prove costly for both the player and the club.
You're right of course he could easily have walked for retaliating which I believe was Crouch’s intention. Due to his physical stature there is no real hiding place for Fellaini and just about everything he does seldom escapes attention. He did try to keep a lid on it second half but in doing so it does tend to detract from his game. Unfortunately as you rightly point out any such transgressions could prove costly for both the player and the club.
I agree with you James regarding Yobo he makes far to many costly mistakes and i would cash in on him maybe Arsenal would take him! Now for Yakubu i’d sell him aswell before anyone starts about his fitness thats bollocks he is simply lazy and i reckon Hawwy Wednapp would splash the cash for him! Get rid of the pair and get fresh faces in!
Harvey Miller, why should Yak be rested?? That fucker needs to watch the video of last nights game and hopefully then he will see that the last thing he needs is rest. He needs to hit the pavements and do some good auld fashioned miles and drop the belly, how much is he paid a week? If he can’t run then swim or cycle but if he dropped a few pounds he may be able to get past a fast jog. Situation is serious and he needs to get involved and stop waiting for everything to happen for him.
Loved the spirited comeback, nearly fucking died when they had the penalty!! At least Hibbert was stopping him in style if he was stopping him!!! Coleman was great and I hope by late Jan we are safe in mid table and fuck it I would give the young guys loads of games as top 6 will more than likely be out of sight by then. The Big Fella played well and I still think he will be a good long term servant for us. Pienaar was lovely to watch, skill and positional sense.
Loved the spirited comeback, nearly fucking died when they had the penalty!! At least Hibbert was stopping him in style if he was stopping him!!! Coleman was great and I hope by late Jan we are safe in mid table and fuck it I would give the young guys loads of games as top 6 will more than likely be out of sight by then. The Big Fella played well and I still think he will be a good long term servant for us. Pienaar was lovely to watch, skill and positional sense.
Anyone offering Jo any defence is clueless. Every time he touched it the whole of Goodison groaned. The shouts of "get him off" from the Park End were deafening. Even Fat Yak showed more than him. Jo has to take 4 touches every time to get the ball under control and then he’s easily pushed off the ball. He has no ability.
I’d start with Yak now and swap him for Saha at half time. Failing that I’d give Agard a run out, he can’t be any worse.
I’d start with Yak now and swap him for Saha at half time. Failing that I’d give Agard a run out, he can’t be any worse.
I’m not a big fan of Jo’s by any stretch of the imagination and, for the life of me, I can’t understand why Man City paid the money they did but it’s worth remembering that he’s another player who’s being asked to play out of position due to the injury list.
The difference between playing as a second striker and the only striker may be lost on some (well, some people named Clarke) but it’s hugely important. Jo’s strength is – or at least it should be - in providing link up play between the midfield and the primary striker and in capitalising on the chances that, say, a rampaging Yakubu leaves in his wake. Right now, he simply doesn’t have much chance to do either.
Admittedly, he’s pretty poor at the task he’s currently being given but, overall, I’m going to reserve judgement until I’ve seen him allowed a decent run in his preferred role.
The difference between playing as a second striker and the only striker may be lost on some (well, some people named Clarke) but it’s hugely important. Jo’s strength is – or at least it should be - in providing link up play between the midfield and the primary striker and in capitalising on the chances that, say, a rampaging Yakubu leaves in his wake. Right now, he simply doesn’t have much chance to do either.
Admittedly, he’s pretty poor at the task he’s currently being given but, overall, I’m going to reserve judgement until I’ve seen him allowed a decent run in his preferred role.
I think the term ’big galoot’ is an excellent description.
Thanks for the lesson there Doyle. Perhaps you should get up at half time and address Goodison because the groans from round the stadium would suggest there’s a lot of us who don’t understand. Does playing as a second striker mean Jo has a right foot, is not easily shoved off the ball, passes the ball accurately, shoots on target?
I’ve realised that I need to play as a 2nd striker myself because it will transform me from a shit player into world class!
I’ve realised that I need to play as a 2nd striker myself because it will transform me from a shit player into world class!
Seriously dude, it’s not hard: his best role is the “in the hole” position that Cahill tends to be played in when we go 4-4-1-1. The difference between that position and the lone centre forward role he’s being asked to play is pretty much the same as the difference between full-back and centre-back. Some players can adapt to either equally well; some excel in one but are abysmal in the other. We won’t have a proper idea of how good Jo is – for better or for worse – until he actually gets to play where he’s at his best.
(Oh, and "the big galoot" is a great phrase, even if I originally presumed that the article was about Fellaini)
(Oh, and "the big galoot" is a great phrase, even if I originally presumed that the article was about Fellaini)
Mr Doyle,
Once the player receives the ball - it matters not a jot whether he’s playing as a lone striker, second striker or milkman to the stars...
If he cannot dribble, pass or shoot effectively while in possession...then it’s a pretty safe to assume that the player is a bit of a dud...
In Jo’s case...after a season and a half of watching him fall over, be unable to trap a medicine ball and shoot like a kitten - it’s safe to assume that he’s not going to get any better.
Once the player receives the ball - it matters not a jot whether he’s playing as a lone striker, second striker or milkman to the stars...
If he cannot dribble, pass or shoot effectively while in possession...then it’s a pretty safe to assume that the player is a bit of a dud...
In Jo’s case...after a season and a half of watching him fall over, be unable to trap a medicine ball and shoot like a kitten - it’s safe to assume that he’s not going to get any better.
This post is prompted by Michael Kenrick's description of the Manager as "that idiot Moyes"
I sat and looked at this with incredulity, has it really come to this when the editor of probably the most visited EFC fans website is making such inane comments?
[Snip, snip.... Lots of boring repetitive stuff every Evertonian already knows about what the manager has done in the last 7¾ years... nothing relevant to his key decisions (or lack of them) that were directly responsible for Everton's failure to win yesterday's match. Ending with the now DIRE warning:
Be VERY careful what you wish for.
Sorry to suppress all your wonderful narrative, Howard, but I wanted to emphasise the point that it completely ignores his current failings... actually not so current.
Read this thread and the frustrations people had watching the Big Galoot gamble around like Bambi on Ice. Then address the topic at hand, please.
Read this thread and the frustrations people had watching the Big Galoot gamble around like Bambi on Ice. Then address the topic at hand, please.
Oh and I see from your post on a pre-match thread, you decried the possibility that we could attack Spurs and even win. That is true negativity but it sadly fits all too comfortably with the mindset of our idiot manager, who seems to have forgotten the fundamental tenet of the game: score more goals than the opposition!
Howard, in case you are having trouble focussing, here’s something right on the nail from Jamie Rowlannd in another thread:
Moyes’s tactics are unbelievable at times. He doesn’t recognise which teams to play 4-5-1 against, and which ones to play 4-4-2 against.
Those with dodgy back fours - 4-4-2...those with solid midfields...4-5-1...
I am a fan of Moyes but sometimes he gets it amazingly wrong and while I am ecstatic with the result yesterday (and Tim Cahill scoring!)...it shouldn’t be used to mask the major issues that we have. Lack of confidence, lack of tactics and lack of footballing skill - all issues that Moyes is accounntable for!
Ciarán,Jo was a decent player with a good record at his previous clubs.With a bit of confidence he’ll prove the critics wrong.
Of course abuse from the stands isn’t going to do much good.People pay their money and can voice their opinion but what good does it do to demoralise a player?
Of course abuse from the stands isn’t going to do much good.People pay their money and can voice their opinion but what good does it do to demoralise a player?
All this stuff about Moyes waiting till we were 2 nil down is bollocks. We were caught cold for the first goal, after only 1.30 seconds of the second half - Moyes immediately got Yak & Saha ready to come on - yes, immediately, then we go 2 down while they’re waiting to come on.
You lot are so reactionary its ridiculous.
You lot are so reactionary its ridiculous.
Ooooh what’s the matter Michael can’t take criticism. I mounted what i thought was a reasoned response to your description of Moyes as an idiot, and took some considerable time over it. Your argument that Moyes is an idiot is based (I assume from what you say) on recent decisions made by the Manager with which you disagree. Some of your criticisms maybe I would even have sympathy with or at least deem them worthy of debate but to call the man an idiot was just plain wrong and ludicrously inaccurate.
As I understand it your opinion of Moyes as an idiot is based on suspect decisions against Spurs. My contra argument against him being an idiot was based on an analysis of his seven years at the club which you chose not only to ignore but also to ridicule in a frankly childish manner.
The gems of sarcasm "wonderful narrative" "trouble focusing" etc. aren’t a ripost to my post Michael just evidence of your inability to accept anyone disagreeing with you about anything and your equal inability to construct a rational counter argument.
Still even if your censorship means I wasted my time trying to put my views up for public debate, the strength and tone of your response(s) would indicate I hit a nerve and that’s something I suppose.
As I understand it your opinion of Moyes as an idiot is based on suspect decisions against Spurs. My contra argument against him being an idiot was based on an analysis of his seven years at the club which you chose not only to ignore but also to ridicule in a frankly childish manner.
The gems of sarcasm "wonderful narrative" "trouble focusing" etc. aren’t a ripost to my post Michael just evidence of your inability to accept anyone disagreeing with you about anything and your equal inability to construct a rational counter argument.
Still even if your censorship means I wasted my time trying to put my views up for public debate, the strength and tone of your response(s) would indicate I hit a nerve and that’s something I suppose.
It’s not so much striking a nerve, Howard... mine were wracked long ago! No, it’s more about staying on topic. The topic here is Everton v Spurs, December 2009: Post Match analysis — not David Moyes: The Last 7¾ Years...
I’d have had more respect if you could have provided a believable justification for Moyes’s idiotic decisions relative to the game itself — which others have done, to their credit. To have to read for the umpteenth time the David Moyes Roll of Honour as it relates to anything but Sunday’s match is just an irrelevance.
Tell you what; I could look again at the rest of it and see if it would make a nice new "I love David Moyes because he’s a wonderful genius — even though we haven’t won at Goodison Park for nearly two months now" thread somewhere else on the site.
I’d have had more respect if you could have provided a believable justification for Moyes’s idiotic decisions relative to the game itself — which others have done, to their credit. To have to read for the umpteenth time the David Moyes Roll of Honour as it relates to anything but Sunday’s match is just an irrelevance.
Tell you what; I could look again at the rest of it and see if it would make a nice new "I love David Moyes because he’s a wonderful genius — even though we haven’t won at Goodison Park for nearly two months now" thread somewhere else on the site.
Whatever Michael, maybe we just have to differ on this. If you can honestly tell me every thread on this sit stays strictly on message, I’ll apologise for my "irrelevant" sideshow. But of course you won’t because it never happens. People will always pick up on elements of other peoples posts.
I believe I did address the issues in the Spurs game both in my post and, as you rightly pointed out prior to the game and yes I would still have gone down the one up front option given our defence. Who that one should be depends on fitness levels and who’s available. That is all about weighing up the options (God I nearly said risk assessment then - They must be getting to me!) and having opinions
As for the last paragraph, no of course I’m not saying that, try easing off on the sarcasm, you’ll make your points better.
I believe I did address the issues in the Spurs game both in my post and, as you rightly pointed out prior to the game and yes I would still have gone down the one up front option given our defence. Who that one should be depends on fitness levels and who’s available. That is all about weighing up the options (God I nearly said risk assessment then - They must be getting to me!) and having opinions
As for the last paragraph, no of course I’m not saying that, try easing off on the sarcasm, you’ll make your points better.
Has anyone else noticed that all of Jo’s shots are hit along the ground? They are often hit towards (or past) the left hand post. I seem to remember the goals he scored last season (including a penalty) were hit in the same way/place. Why no height? Look at Saha’s goals, most of them fly into the net at an unstoppable height - very rarely along the ground - or if they are ground shots they fly in with great power..
He doesn’t have the energy to get them off the ground Robert...
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